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Marvin Gaye's family doesn't own that song - neither the composition nor the master recording.

It's a pre-emptive strike because they've threatened legal action. He's not going after them for money. He's making sure they can't sue him in the future.

And even though the song is clearly a rip-off of 'Got to give it up'...it certainly does not constitute copywrite infringement imo. That slippery slope is incredibly dangerous.

It's two chords and a groove. If someone was able to copywrite that then alot of music genres are in big trouble. And I'm sure, if we research enough, we can find a song that pre-dated the Marvin song that's extremely similar as well. What's next? Copywriting '12 bar blues'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bassline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1_9-z9rbY

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actual electronic sampling of an existing recording.

i think maybe the first two notes are the same.
then it changes.

It's not the same bassline....but it's a ripoff. The rhythm arrangement is also extremely similar. It's the exact same groove. Plus the EP is the same in tone and doing the exact same rhythmic dynamics on the upstrokes. The melody is different though. It's completely obvious on first-listen that Pharrell was listening to 'give it up' when he made the song and set out to do a similar song. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that artistically....nor legally.

Yes it is!

-its basically the same groove.
-both songs use the WOO in it.
-both songs have a cheering section in the background.
-both vocals are high pitched.

Marvin's song came first! GOT DAMMNIT! Give him songwriters credit and royalties to his family.


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>Yes it is!
>
>-its basically the same groove.
>-both songs use the WOO in it.
>-both songs have a cheering section in the background.
>-both vocals are high pitched.
>

-Grooves can't be copyrighted.
-Hundreds of songs have "Woo!" in them. It's not a lyric and wouldn't be on the sheet music.
-You can't sue for production similarities unless the recordings are exactly the same. Just ask Timbaland. Heck, ask Norman Whitfield when he did it to Sly and G. Clinton.
-You can't sue because both songs have high-pitched vocals.

EMI Music owns the copyright to "Got to Give It Up". Ask them if they want to sue.

>>Yes it is!
>>
>>-its basically the same groove.
>>-both songs use the WOO in it.
>>-both songs have a cheering section in the background.
>>-both vocals are high pitched.
>>
>
>-Grooves can't be copyrighted.
>-Hundreds of songs have "Woo!" in them. It's not a lyric and
>wouldn't be on the sheet music.

The groove and Woo is the give away!


>-You can't sue for production similarities unless the
>recordings are exactly the same. Just ask Timbaland. Heck, ask
>Norman Whitfield when he did it to Sly and G. Clinton.
>-You can't sue because both songs have high-pitched vocals.

Sounding similar! Another give away. THEY RECREATED THE SONG.

>EMI Music owns the copyright to "Got to Give It Up". Ask them
>if they want to sue.

EMI! That's real fucked up on their part. MG wrote it, not EMI.

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>The groove and Woo is the give away!


listen to the adlibs on "maybe your baby."
MJ "stole" adlibs from there.

he also needs to give royalties to bob fossie
for using a shiloiette and doing cool things with his hat.


james brown did that shuffle step slide across the stage.
ROYALTIES!


how far do you want to go with this?


>>-You can't sue for production similarities unless the
>>recordings are exactly the same. Just ask Timbaland. Heck,
>ask
>>Norman Whitfield when he did it to Sly and G. Clinton.
>>-You can't sue because both songs have high-pitched vocals.
>
>Sounding similar! Another give away. THEY RECREATED THE SONG.
>
>>EMI Music owns the copyright to "Got to Give It Up". Ask
>them
>>if they want to sue.
>
>EMI! That's real fucked up on their part. MG wrote it, not
>EMI.
>
>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>
>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>George Duke-Feel
>E.W.F.-RAISE
>Don-E-Little Star

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRsqdItB3gU

And STEVIE owes SLY STONE for "Don't call me Nigger, Whitey" for "Maybe your Baby"
as a whole...this "interpolation shit needs to be sussed out SOON

Aiiight ?

>
>>The groove and Woo is the give away!
>
>
>listen to the adlibs on "maybe your baby."
>MJ "stole" adlibs from there.
>


If he recreated the song. Pay up then!
>
>
>james brown did that shuffle step slide across the stage.
>ROYALTIES!
>

We talking music.

>
>how far do you want to go with this?
>
>
>>>-You can't sue for production similarities unless the
>>>recordings are exactly the same. Just ask Timbaland. Heck,
>>ask
>>>Norman Whitfield when he did it to Sly and G. Clinton.
>>>-You can't sue because both songs have high-pitched vocals.
>>
>>Sounding similar! Another give away. THEY RECREATED THE
>SONG.
>>
>>>EMI Music owns the copyright to "Got to Give It Up". Ask
>>them
>>>if they want to sue.
>>
>>EMI! That's real fucked up on their part. MG wrote it, not
>>EMI.
>>
>>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>>
>>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>>George Duke-Feel
>>E.W.F.-RAISE
>>Don-E-Little Star
>


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"The groove and Woo is the give away!"


>If he recreated the song. Pay up then!
>>
>>




>>james brown did that shuffle step slide across the stage.
>>ROYALTIES!
>>

>We talking music.



we are talking about artistic license.
but to use a musical example...
smokey should have credited marvin for the bassline to "quiet storm"
by your rationale.


he came way closer to ripping off marvin than pharell did.
those bass tabs might be the same.





>>how far do you want to go with this?
>>
>>
>>>>-You can't sue for production similarities unless the
>>>>recordings are exactly the same. Just ask Timbaland. Heck,
>>>ask
>>>>Norman Whitfield when he did it to Sly and G. Clinton.
>>>>-You can't sue because both songs have high-pitched
>vocals.
>>>
>>>Sounding similar! Another give away. THEY RECREATED THE
>>SONG.
>>>
>>>>EMI Music owns the copyright to "Got to Give It Up". Ask
>>>them
>>>>if they want to sue.
>>>
>>>EMI! That's real fucked up on their part. MG wrote it, not
>>>EMI.
>>>
>>>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>>>
>>>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>>>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>>>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>>>George Duke-Feel
>>>E.W.F.-RAISE
>>>Don-E-Little Star
>>
>
>
>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>
>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>George Duke-Feel
>E.W.F.-RAISE
>Don-E-Little Star

I can't tell who's joking and who's crazy around here.

yeah that turkey stole an obvious cut and time to pay up.

you knew that turkey was a fluke to begin with because he been around 20 years and hardly has made a dent and now he gets this track?

i knew this was bound to happen.

believe me without Blurred lines this turkey would have another predictable forgetable album that went double wood.

Most likely, the track was made by Pharell completely independent of Thicke's involvement to begin with. The racial agenda you're spewing is selective and below you. If Pharell happened to sell the song to a black singer instead....I'm assuming everything would be ok? Sheesh.

And hohoho at the thought of what Robin Thicke SHOULD have done according to you:

Pharell: Hey RT....check out this song

RT: You know what Pharell? It sounds like 'Got to give it up'. I shouldn't sing on that....I'm white. Do you have any sea shanties or christian hymns on hand?

>Pharell: Hey RT....check out this song
>
>RT: You know what Pharell? It sounds like 'Got to give it
>up'. I shouldn't sing on that....I'm white. Do you have any
>sea shanties or christian hymns on hand?
>
>

turkey can't even make an average solo album. pharell's solo career is about neck and neck with Chris Rock as a leading man in a film.

thicke been wanted to be accepted as a White Soul brother ever since he was writing for color me bad.

he just is corny and he knows what he is doing. pharell outta be sued from being a so called producer and thicke knows he ain't got much.

turkey grinning all on entertainment tonight like he is john tesh or something?

I have no opinion of Robin Thicke but I see a low blow when I see a low blow.

Pharrell is not a songwriter. But he is one of the greatest artists of the 00's. He's one of the best beatmakers of all time. He's got funk and he's smart too. Dude is one of the shining stars of the recent past in popular culture. Legend status was solidified a long time ago. You are downplaying his abilities.

>Pharrell is not a songwriter.

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i don't know if you were here for the debate on whether George Clinton was a top tier songwriter...

but there were two camps.


one was of the opinion that he was a fantastic songwriter...
b/c of his lyrical concepts... and because of the strength of his musical compositions.

there was another camp that was saying that he was not a top tier songwriter,
when compared to songwriters like smokey robinson and Burt Bacharach.



camp one said that clinton's non-linear songwriting was great enough to make him top tier.

camp two had a pretty specific criteria for songwriting, and george clinton didn't belong
in the same sentence of folks like Bacharach or holland dozier and holland (in terms of songwriting).







why am i mentioning George Clinton?
b/c your views on pharell as a songwriter depend on how much you believe
songs should pass the "will it sound gorgeous on a piano" test.

thom bell's songs pass that test.
pharell's songs, much like george clinton's (or james brown's) don't.

how much that test makes a difference depends on your taste.



>>Pharrell is not a songwriter.
>
>-------------------------
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>pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of
>weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren
>Coolidge

is as a Quarterback.

turkey is a 3rd tier Beatmaker and a joke as a Producer, etc..

turkey right about now is shocked and surprised somebody is actually buying that garbage with his name attached to it.

Thanks for that. I know it's a cliche position but that's how I see it. I kinda hate that 'play it on piano' example cause alot people take that too literally. It doesn't have to be a piano. It could be string section...It could be a guitar etc. The point is that when you strip the song down from arrangement...it is still interesting. It doesn't necessarily 'need' an arrangement.

A song like 'I am the Walrus' by the Beatles is a good example. The artistry is in the arrangement....not in the composition. I know alot of people say that arrangement 'becomes' composition....I think that's just muddying the definitions because of the connatations associated with the word 'composition'. It's like people think it makes a certain type of artistry more legitimate so they try to apply it something where it's not appropriate.

there are a gang of songs that i like from both camps,
and i'm sure you are in the same position.

the only 'problem' i have is when critics
try to use that strict definition of "songwriting" to somehow
intellectualize the marginalization of great (black) artists.

you can say you don't like it.
you can say it's not your thing.
but you can't tell me that james brown's artistry is somehow less than the beatles, just because you can't play "cold sweat"
on a single instrument.



and as far as the "the arrangement IS composition" argument,
i think what they are trying to say is that the hook for some songs
is melody. the hook for some songs is in the engineering.
the hook for some songs is in the arrangement.

i don't think that one is lesser than the other, in terms of skill.
i love george clinton and i love thom bell. neither one could do
what the other did.

but i don't think either one was a more "pure" artist.


actually, i think there is a certain skill
in folks like george clinton's ability to strip everything down
and then reassemble the world into musical shapes that sound brand new.

i feel you though.



>A song like 'I am the Walrus' by the Beatles is a good
>example. The artistry is in the arrangement....not in the
>composition. I know alot of people say that arrangement
>'becomes' composition....I think that's just muddying the
>definitions because of the connatations associated with the
>word 'composition'. It's like people think it makes a certain
>type of artistry more legitimate so they try to apply it
>something where it's not appropriate.

How do Pharell's songs not pass that test?

You don't think Get Lucky would sound good on Piano? Maybe? Hypnotize U? U Dont have To call? Shit she wants to move... all of that shit would still work..

Do I think Pharell is Tom bell... no But he DAMN sure is a songwriter..

But how fun is it gonna be to watch a piano player play the same two or three chords for 4 minutes? 'You don't have to call' has a bridge if I remember correctly...and I'm talking about the most basic relative chords you could think of. In terms of songwriting...these songs are so basic that I wouldn't even call them a 'song' in the traditional sense. It's a jam, a groove, a beat...whatever you want to call it...but it's not songwriting.

>Most likely, the track was made by Pharell completely
>independent of Thicke's involvement to begin with. The racial
>agenda you're spewing is selective and below you.

Below him?.....lol

>> The racial agenda you're spewing is selective and below you.
>
>Below him?.....lol

thats pretty much his bread + butter dude.

after my posts. what are you Murphs water boy or something?

i notice how these jive turkeys all stick to together are spinless and don't have a mind of their own. wanna take a shot at me well its on and FYI I'm going back to My Old school THUG ways on here so be warn its on.

watch what you say to me and how you say it because I'm watching and reading ole Now and Later head looking wrinkle Jive turkey

>I'm going back to My Old school
>THUG ways on here so be warn its on.

i dont think ive ever heard anyone actually ADMIT to being a "message board thug"
but if it gets you out of your box
(turkey turkey turkey turkey turkey r.kelly turkey turkey turkey white people suck turkey turkey turkey jive turkey turkey r.kelly turkey)
then im all for it. thug it out, brother!

Predictable and running behind whatever is left behind like clock work.

hating sold out jive turkey, you wanna run Clique on me well its on. Enemies be aware if you speak foul on me or even try to be jive well its on Playa.

now go on back to your Clarence THomas tea partys jive turkey

>The racial
>agenda you're spewing is selective and below you.

i'm not seeing where people are confused.


this me just spitting off the dome,
but this is how i see it.


an INTERPOLATION is when you take somebody else's musical idea
and replay it on the record... and incorporate it into your own composition.


lauryn hill was doing an interpolation of that delfonics's record
when she sang, "ready or not, here i come. you can't hide...
gonna findddd you, and take it slowly."

she was singing somebody else's melody,
and she was incorporating it into that fugee's record.
that's an interpolation.




a SAMPLE is when you take a part of somebody else's record
and play a snippit of it back in your own compisiition.

so timbiland was sampling the defonics "ready or not"
when he replayed back a portion of it in missy's "sock it to me."



a COVER is when you just do another version of somebody else's record. the jackson 5 was covering the delfonics "ready or not"
when they sang another version of the song. you have to pay for that too.


you have to pay for all of those.








what's happening here is none of those things.
pharell heard "got to give it up."

he made something in a similar style.





so what?
that's how art is made.
you can't copyright a style. or a vibe. or the feeling of a song.

this is a suit to prevent further legal action in the future.

you're just wrong.

>i'm not seeing where people are confused.
>
>
>this me just spitting off the dome,
>but this is how i see it.
>
>
>an INTERPOLATION is when you take somebody else's musical
>idea
>and replay it on the record... and incorporate it into your
>own composition.
>
>



In other words. A song was stolen.


>lauryn hill was doing an interpolation of that delfonics's
>record
>when she sang, "ready or not, here i come. you can't hide...
>gonna findddd you, and take it slowly."
>
>she was singing somebody else's melody,
>and she was incorporating it into that fugee's record.
>that's an interpolation.
>
>
>
>
>a SAMPLE is when you take a part of somebody else's record
>and play a snippit of it back in your own compisiition.
>
>so timbiland was sampling the defonics "ready or not"
>when he replayed back a portion of it in missy's "sock it to
>me."
>
>
>
>a COVER is when you just do another version of somebody else's
>record. the jackson 5 was covering the delfonics "ready or
>not"
>when they sang another version of the song. you have to pay
>for that too.
>
>
>you have to pay for all of those.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>what's happening here is none of those things.
>pharell heard "got to give it up."
>
>he made something in a similar style.
>
>
>
>
>
>so what?
>that's how art is made.
>you can't copyright a style. or a vibe. or the feeling of a
>song.
>
>this is a suit to prevent further legal action in the future.
>
>you're just wrong.


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it wasn't a sample but it damn sure had a Barry vibe
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nevermind. i guess that was a sample.

I checked the credits and didn't see it listed as such

Even if that is the case R's last 2 albums are built on older artists vibes so the point stands.
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couldn't find the exact liner notes.
i don't have youtube at work, so i can't play it again to listen.


i don't like being wrong, so i deleted it. lol
but i do know that when i heard "feeling single,"
i felt it was in the same category as "i'm a slave for u."

clearly inspired by another tune,
but not plagarism.

nobody could make a record without someone coming out the the woodwork talking about "you took my vibe"
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http://therussparrmorningshow.com/1369165/r-kelly-share-my-love-barry-white-teddy-pendergrass-were-alive/

On “Share My Love,” R. Kelly talks about how Barry White and Teddy Pendergrass helped influence the sound of this song from his latest album “Write Me Back.” Watch R. Kelly’s explanation in the video below, and download “Write Me Back” right here.

Nobody is immune from this.. people talk about this or that artist inspiring this or that song all the time. Max is just using some selective hate here.
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i like it when folks do takes on their hero's songs.
every single great artists ever does this.





>Nobody is immune from this.. people talk about this or that
>artist inspiring this or that song all the time. Max is just
>using some selective hate here.

lets get that straight.

R having material that sounds in the vein is one thing, however Blurred lines sounds like a Karoke version of Got to give it up, that is the difference right their.


typical defend a white Boy and try to throw hate on a Brother. weak argument,very weak.

Show my Love has a Philly International sound period and FYI Teddy Pendergrass didn't write none of those songs, however his voice was part of that sound as was Harold Melvoin and the Blue notes.

FYI if R was gonna give any coin up it would go directly to Gamble and Huff.

however last time i checked nobody from said families came at R about that, however THicke got caught squeezing too much Ketchup and He knows Marvin's ghost about to haunt his bandit self.

play the bassline to got to give it up.
now play the bassline to blurred lines.

hear the differences?
it ain't the same melody.

lets sue bruno mars for "ripping off" the police's message in a bottle.
lets sue r. kelly for "ripping off" lovely day.
MJ, by his own admission, swiped a groove from hall and oats.
while we are at it, lets sue everybody that did a 12 bar blues.

lets pretend artists pull ideas out of thin air.
no inspiration. no homages.

just find completely new shit in the ether.

okay.





>lets get that straight.
>
>R having material that sounds in the vein is one thing,
>however Blurred lines sounds like a Karoke version of Got to
>give it up, that is the difference right their.
>
>
>typical defend a white Boy and try to throw hate on a
>Brother. weak argument,very weak.
>
>Show my Love has a Philly International sound period and FYI
>Teddy Pendergrass didn't write none of those songs, however
>his voice was part of that sound as was Harold Melvoin and the
>Blue notes.
>
>FYI if R was gonna give any coin up it would go directly to
>Gamble and Huff.
>
>however last time i checked nobody from said families came at
>R about that, however THicke got caught squeezing too much
>Ketchup and He knows Marvin's ghost about to haunt his bandit
>self.
>
>

for "feelin single"

billie jean opening and hall oats opening for " i can't go for that(no can do)

bruno mars did have Sting on stage with him at the grammys and who knows if a out of court or lawyers by the side door was exchanged or not?



no different than "smiling faces" and i wanna do something freaky to you" which lead to " nothin but a G thang"

however writers who feel they have a legit beef will sue, however thanks to sampling, looping, it truly blurs the lines pun intended if you can sue or not?

personally the Gaye Family outta sue

which songs exactly rival what THicke did with Blured Lines?

you reaching.

Lost in your love from Love Letter sounds like early 80's Lionel Richie however you can't say what song now can you?

Number 1 hit sounds like Sade and yet you can't name a song now can you?

Kelly has alot of Sam Cooke in his thing and yet you can't say he jacked a song which is as Obivous at what THicke did.

you wanna be Johnny Cochraine in here well lets play Court with the Music Shall we?

George put an end to that shit....lol

UPDATE: George Clinton, who once led Funkadelic and has feuded with Bridgeport and its leader over the years, tweets, "No sample of #Funkadelic's 'Sexy Ways' in @robinthicke's 'Blurred Lines' - yet Armen Boladian thinks so? We support @robinthicke @Pharrell!"

Let's not forget all his court battles with George
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I'm also reminded of Chuck Berry vs. The Beach Boys.


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I don't care if anyone else wins, I'm just sick of the song!

thank you because the fix was on to give this turkey a hit at any cost.

https://twitter.com/questlove/status/368323355310436352

https://twitter.com/george_clinton/status/368210216828932096

lets remember a 3rd or 4th tier act like THicke is getting support as to a Musical Genius like marvin Gaye who is Black, it figures.

everybody with two good ears and no agenda knows Got to give it up paved the way for that circus farce known as Blurred lines.

REPLY #26: not a sample, not an interpolation, not a cover.
different song.

just like "locked out of heaven" is different from "messages in a bottle"
and "can't go for that" is different from "billie jean"
and "feeling single" isn't "billie jean"

and "hello" is different from all of the millions of songs that use the same chord progression.

>everybody with two good ears and no agenda knows Got to give
>it up paved the way for that circus farce known as Blurred
>lines.

because anybody not calling off this Billy the kid turkey hates Marvin Gaye and you can quote me on that

>lets remember a 3rd or 4th tier act like THicke is getting
>support as to a Musical Genius like marvin Gaye who is
>Black, it figures.
>
>everybody with two good ears and no agenda knows Got to give
>it up paved the way for that circus farce known as Blurred
>lines.

You'd actually be talking about the facts of how the songs are constructed differently, how the notation isn't the same, how both songs use extremely common elements of many songs, and shit like that en route to you calling the white guy in the discussion a jive ass turkey while you praise the black guy for his Genius and how he was merely influenced by the Original track and Made it Better because that Jive Turkey of a white boy don't have no soul.

Turkey Pharell did the beat and he is a no talent hack. and he outta be a stand up comedian because that thing he does called singing makes me laugh so hard you can almost see your guts falling out.

anyway if THicke was Black he would be washing dishes with Grady Harrell and Kenny Lattimore at Applebees talking about remember when?

Black acts don't get no 20 year career and have the type of career thicke has had. Thicke got the right skin to Pretend he good.

If you can sue based off "sound" and "feel" Prince is going to go in on half the R&B acts from 82-86... when he's done with them he's coming for The Dream and the rest of the new school biters

The idea of suing based on a vibe is ridiculous and would basically ruin music.
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>If you can sue based off "sound" and "feel" Prince is going
>to go in on half the R&B acts from 82-86... when he's done
>with them he's coming for The Dream and the rest of the new
>school biters
>
>The idea of suing based on a vibe is ridiculous and would
>basically ruin music.


CUT...PRINT....

Sheen jars for life based on Grooves and Melodys then.

typical Prince Kool Aid drinker ignoring how he jacked so many acts before.

Sly Stone alone could take the keys of Paisley Park based on how much jacking Prince did off of his stuff. I rest my case

>Sly Stone alone could take the keys of Paisley Park based on
>how much jacking Prince did off of his stuff. I rest my case

except you call it a tribute when R does it

all your rants aside you ain't saying nothing man

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for Blurred Lines.

i know Prince did contact Journey directly over Purple Rain because the chords sound just like Journey's "Faithfully" and Journey was cool with it.

however what Thicke and Pharell are trying to put down is criminal IMO.

R has had songs that sound like past songs and we don't know if he settle on the low, however I do know the Lawyers run the busienss and you best believe if you reach a certain level in the biz you bound to have your lawyers on speed dial.

are more similar to each other than the basslines on pharell's "blurred lines" and marvin's "got to give it up."




there has to be a better way to word that sentence.



>RT IS ON CRACK!:
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/robin-thicke-sues-protect-blurred-607492
>
>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>
>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>George Duke-Feel
>E.W.F.-RAISE
>Don-E-Little Star

him n his Bridgeport musical shakedown company, making false claims n shit. basically if this idiot is behind a legal action, it's ok to assume, at this point, that it is mostly bullshit.

but y'all got ears, right? having a song that's clearly "inspired by" ain't the same as stealing or sampling or interpolating or outright ripping off.

actually now im kinda curious if Dilla's rmx of Brand New Heavies "Saturday Night" came up against similar problems...?

V.

>actually now im kinda curious if Dilla's rmx of Brand New
>Heavies "Saturday Night" came up against similar problems...?
>
I heard this track. Same damn thing! Give MG songwriting credit.


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Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
Evelyn King-Get Loose
George Duke-Feel
E.W.F.-RAISE
Don-E-Little Star

must be some selective hearing turkeys in here or hard of hearing cats.

Marvin Gaye got a case from the Grave

and his lyrics weren't used.

fuck that guy.

..more like...ashamed to have THIS douche be part of it lol. like, he's a douche no matter what the ethnic background, but the fact that he's a mega douche, AND he's Armo? just stings a lil more. and i am happy to feel shame on behalf of all my other Urartian brethren.

V.

sick of hearing that bullshit

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I hear zero similarities between Blurred Lines and Sexy Ways.





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Bruno Mars 'treasure':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvuNsRccVw

Breakbot 'baby i'm yours'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahdH8eTydWY

Apparently Bruno approached Breakbot with a request to cover 'Baby I'm yours' which was turned down. Bruno has admitted that he used the Breakbot song as inspiration for treasure. From what I can gather....Breakbot is pissed but the record label is not.

It might be a clearer case of infringement cause it's the MELODY that is jacked here. Same chords...the rhythm arrangement is a little different but a similar groove. There is a synth bass lick in the Breakbot tune that the bassplayer in 'Treasure' copies very obviously every 4 bars. I dig the Bruno song better and don't think he should get sued....but when you jack melodies, it becomes alot easier to objectively substantiate an infringement claim. I'm not sure if that's because the courts 'value' melodies over grooves...or if it's simply easier to establish that two melodies are the 'same'.

I find this stuff interesting anyways. I like Bruno Mars alot....but he too seems to be an artist that goes into the studio with a specific song that he's going to build a new one based upon.

he went back for more, some of yall know what Im talkin about

by Dilla sounded more alike to Got To Give it Up than Blurred lines...

But what was the story on that?

"Blurred Lines" may be viewed as an example of what is known as contrafact and it isn't even strict contrafact at that. When an artist takes a harmonic progression or in this case, a "groove" from one composition and replaces the melody and lyrics with their own, the result is called a contrafact. Contrafacts have been around for a long time and are legal and acceptable. The vast majority of jazz standards from the bebop era were written this way in order to "avoid" copyright infringement.

For example "Ornithology" uses the chord progression of "How High the Moon", "Ko-ko" uses the chords from "Cherokee" and "Moose the Mooche" (along with dozens of other jazz compositions) uses George Gershwin's "I Got Rhythm" as it's chief inspiration. The chords to "I Got Rhythm" are among the most "stolen" (if that's what you want to call it) in all of jazz.

There are also some contemporary contrafacts. For example, try listening to the Isley Brother's "Choosey Lover" and tell me it doesn't remind you of "Devotion" by Earth Wind and Fire. While this also may not be a strict example of contrafact, it sounds like one song inspired the other and that they not only share very similar chord progressions but similar melodies too. Yet there is no songwriting credit given to Maurice White for "Choosey Lover". Are the Isleys talentless hacks because of this? Of course not. This is a example of one artist hearing a great song and being inspired to write another great song.

An musical artist cannot copyright a chord, harmonic progression or a rhythm. Those are basic tools that all musical artists use to create. Think of all those similar sounding 808 drum patterns that defined the Miami hip hop sound of the '80s and '90s or all of the II-V-I progressions heard in countless songs spanning a wide variety of genres. A musical artist can however, copyright an original melody, lyric or musical arrangement. They can also copyright a sound recording of their original lyric, melody or musical arrangement. Robin Thicke would've had to make an "exact" copy of the lyrics, melody, musical arrangement or sample a part from the original recording of "Got To Give It Up" somewhere in his song in order to be held liable for infringement.

While "Blurred Lines" may be considered a knockoff for capturing the "feel" of Gaye's classic, it's easy to tell (for me anyway) that the two songs are not identical. The lyrics don't match. The melodies don't match either. There are no samples from a Marvin Gaye recording used in Thicke's song and if you scored the musical arrangements out on paper from both songs, they would be different in practically every way. The only notable similarity between the two is the rhythm of the keyboard part (and possibly the song key though I haven't verified) but the chord progressions between the two are not exact and neither are the basslines.

You may not like Robin Thicke's singing and you may even hate his new song but in my opinion, he has done nothing wrong ethically or legally and you can't expect everyone to come up with a song like "Babylon Sisters". If anything, Robin Thicke has only reminded some of us what a great song "Got To Give It Up" is while creating an opportunity for a new generation of curious listeners to explore and appreciate this song and others in Marvin Gaye's great catalog. This is what hip hop started out doing before the law got involved and look at it now.

I'm really quite surprised and somewhat saddened by some of the discussions that I have read in regards to this matter. I thought we would know better but then again, this "is" America circa 2013...

but I think you're making the similarities between the songs a little more wishy-washy than they are. I agree with all your points. But you're leaving stuff out that can't be described only as 'feel' or 'vibe'. There's concrete similarities.

But the main thing is the tone. I'm using that word literally....the tone of the instruments. The Pharell bass sounds like the Marvin bass. The Pharell ep sounds like the Marvin EP. A bunch of the percussion instruments sound the same too. It's not just a coincidence...Pharell engineered those sounds to mimic the Marvin song. That is potentially measurable. You could analyze frequency range and dynamic for each instrument.

Also...having a party background track is also a concrete element. You can't just describe that part as Pharell 'trying to capture the feel'. That's a clear idea or concept in the Marvin track that Pharell copies. Yah...there's lots of songs that have a 'party track'...but noone could claim it's common enough NOT to be relevant.

And the groove could be objectively compared too. You could chart out the drums and percussion...showing that they share emphasis and dynamic.

I guess I'm saying...it's not just a 'vibe' that is similar. You can say two completely different songs have the same 'vibe'. Like they're both 'happy'. Here, there's more concrete similarities.

I understand that you are uneasy with the two songs sharing similar instrumentation and tonal imagery. However, Robin Thicke is legally permitted to use the same drum set, the same bass guitar, the same piano keyboard, the same cowbell, the same mixing board, the same effects, the same singers and any other tools that Marvin Gaye used in his song just as long as he (Thicke) is able to produce a song or composition with it's own unique lyric, melody and musical arrangement. In this case, different lyrics + different melodies + different musical arrangements = different songs.

Who can patent pitch, rhythm, harmony, timbre and tone? These elements were in existence and in use before any of us or our musical idols were born.

Allow me to use a non-musical example. Two separate cooks are allowed to bake from scratch, yellow cakes with chocolate icing that look and taste similar. They are also allowed to package them and sell them to the public as long as they do not share exact ingredients and identical packaging or anything that might blur the lines of difference between each cake. Where the two cakes will differ is in the balance of ingredients used in their creation. Both cakes will probably contain sugar, flour, butter, chocolate and eggs but the quantities of each ingredient will vary between the two. This means that the two cakes will wind up sharing the same taste and appearance while not being "exactly" the same.

So it is with the two songs in question. Like the cakes mentioned above, they both contain the same ingredients in their mixes so they both have the same "flavor". This still doesn't mean that they are the same song because the balance of ingredients between the two is noticeably different.

I hope this helps some.

and his non talent Hack Buddy Pharell.

It's a pleasure to finally meet you...virtually.

I am aware of your interests and your colorful posting style on these boards. Since you've decided to sit on my porch, I'm now interested in hearing the longer version of your story if you have time. Do you care to elaborate on why you feel that Thicke should pay up?

Another question...and this is open for anyone to answer. What is your definition of a "culture bandit" and why do you consider Robin Thicke to be one?

>It's a pleasure to finally meet you...virtually.
>
>I am aware of your interests and your colorful posting style
>on these boards. Since you've decided to sit on my porch, I'm
>now interested in hearing the longer version of your story if
>you have time. Do you care to elaborate on why you feel that
>Thicke should pay up?
>
>Another question...and this is open for anyone to answer.
>What is your definition of a "culture bandit" and why do you
>consider Robin Thicke to be one?
>
>


peace to you man. well straight to the chase thicke and Pharell blurred those lines pun itended. they know it and they made themselves guilty.

this is how it sounds to me, I love Marvin gaye, however you ain't going to get a dime off my song sounding like his.

sorry but you ain't just been in a studio with pharell and TI and just so happen to have a song that sounds like that and play it off like you don't hear it.

its going to be settled out of court and we all know lawyers run the business. Artists get the counterfiet dollars to front on a budget however you bring a hit in and they will deal with the legal later.


you see a cat like THicke can play, sing and write so why doesn't he showcase his own skills? also nothing else on his new album is this blatant and their is a reason for that. dude wanted to make a killing with a Lead off money track and lets be real, a cat like Thicke needed a Hit because his hit less streak over the past few albums was a real "Growing Pain" for him and his career.


Culture Bandit well its obvious he wants to be loved and wanted by the black COmmunity and he tries extra hard to fit in, problem is if you got a song you never have to use a puppet string puller like Pharell to pull your strings if you got the goods.

Bobby Caldwell, Gino Vannelli, Michael Mcdonald,Darryl Hall, Phil Collins, Boz Scaggs, Dr John,George Michael, amongest others didn't have to water down what was already their.

THicke thinks by having R&B based sounds and pharell around him. etc.. that is going to make him more down. he really wants to be the ultimate R&B White accepted cross over act and yet while he has talent, he just ain't that deep, to me he is even worse than Michael Bolton and I can almost take Bolton because he cut that mess out.


Right Now Thicke is the George Zimmerman of Music and you can Quote me on that.

that artist's rights should be protected in regards to their creations. I think the issue being raised by Robin Thicke's lawsuit is where the line should be drawn when as it pertains to how far rights holders can go when it comes to enforcing their rights.

It is my understanding that Thicke has been very open about using "Got To Give It Up" as inspiration for his song and his producers copied it's feel and flavor. The point that Thicke is attempting to make is that imitation does not constitute infringement and I have to agree with him. All of our favorite artists imitate someone who came before them and there has never been a problem. We may call someone a "biter" when they imitate a little too closely but there has never been a need to raise legal issues about it.

As far a Robin Thicke being a cultural bandit is concerned, while some may not consider him to be the most authentic "blue eyed" soul singer around, I really think that he is sincere in his efforts to pay homage to the legendary artists who paved the way for him. As I stated earlier, he's brought Marvin Gayes music back into the spotlight and that's a good thing. I've been longing to hear more popular radio music that reminds me of the great songs I grew up on. Hopefully other young artists will follow Thicke's lead.

peace...

I almost always side on the 'aping' artists in these situations...and I'm on Pharrell's side in this case. I'm just interested in exploring it a bit more.


>I understand that you are uneasy with the two songs sharing
>similar instrumentation and tonal imagery. However, Robin
>Thicke is legally permitted to use the same drum set, the same
>bass guitar, the same piano keyboard, the same cowbell, the
>same mixing board, the same effects, the same singers and any
>other tools that Marvin Gaye used in his song just as long as
>he (Thicke) is able to produce a song or composition with it's
>own unique lyric, melody and musical arrangement. In this
>case, different lyrics + different melodies + different
>musical arrangements = different songs.

Yah...from what I can tell...you're describing what the paradigm IS. But it's interesting to question whether the paradigm SHOULD be that way. In another post above...I asked whether the law emphasizes melody and composition because those elements have been deemed more valuable than other considerations...or if it's simply a matter of melody/composition being easier to objectively define. I think it's an interesting question. Why is okay to copy the 'sonics' of a pre-existing song but not the melody?


>Who can patent pitch, rhythm, harmony, timbre and tone? These
>elements were in existence and in use before any of us or our
>musical idols were born.

But it could easily be a matter of accumulation. If the pitch is the same AND the rhythm AND the timbre AND the tone...than couldn't the law draw a line that accumulates these things together to make an infringement case? This might be a crappy analogy....but I can't copywrite the following individual words....'It', 'was', 'the, 'best', 'of', 'times' 'worst'....But I can patent the sentence 'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.' So I don't see why the law can't accumulate similarities in those various elements you listed and make a case of infringement.

>Allow me to use a non-musical example. Two separate cooks are
>allowed to bake from scratch, yellow cakes with chocolate
>icing that look and taste similar. They are also allowed to
>package them and sell them to the public as long as they do
>not share exact ingredients and identical packaging or
>anything that might blur the lines of difference between each
>cake. Where the two cakes will differ is in the balance of
>ingredients used in their creation. Both cakes will probably
>contain sugar, flour, butter, chocolate and eggs but the
>quantities of each ingredient will vary between the two. This
>means that the two cakes will wind up sharing the same taste
>and appearance while not being "exactly" the same.
>
>So it is with the two songs in question. Like the cakes
>mentioned above, they both contain the same ingredients in
>their mixes so they both have the same "flavor". This still
>doesn't mean that they are the same song because the balance
>of ingredients between the two is noticeably different.

Nah....I don't think that's a good analogy. That's a much more generalized circumstance than the one we're considering. Your example would address the a much more basic argument that 'Pharrell can't use a guitar and keyboards and drums because there's another song that exists that also uses those instruments'. A proper analogy would have a cake with VERY specific ingredients and baking instructions to account for the VERY specific elements that make these songs similar. If that makes any sense. Hahaha

You understand what the existing rules are but you feel that they may not be strict enough, correct?

That would bring us back to my earlier question of whether it was possible for anyone to claim ownership to elements that they are not responsible for bringing into existence. The frequency spectrum was already here before me so how can I claim that I created any part of it? How would anyone determine, let alone prove in a courtroom, that a song contained an infringing tone? What sounds the same isn't necessarily the same.

For example, two basslines are recorded at exactly the same pitch, tuning, volume, EQ settings, etc., so that they will sound exactly the same to your ears upon listening. Let's say I go back and adjust the EQ by a hair or change the compression ratio on one of the parts. At that point, the two bass parts are no longer "exactly" the same even though to our ears, they would very likely still sound exactly the same. If we were dealing with analog mixers, someone may claim that the knobs are still in the same position but in a software mixing environment where everything would represented digitally, the numbers don't lie. An EQ setting of -2.59 db is NOT the same as -2.58 db.

It just wouldn't be worth the energy and expense trying to prove that they are still exactly the same in a courtroom. Therefore, it is a good thing that we do not allow the law to govern at such a minute level. It would result in total chaos and probably no one would bother to record any more songs. Creativity would be held captive by overbearing legalism.

I'm not trying to change your position. We can agree to disagree and I'm cool with that. I just want to make people aware of the possible side-effects to the outcome that they are asking for when they want Robin Thicke to lose this case. If he were to lose, it would be a sad day for recording artists and listeners across the country.

peace...

>You understand what the existing rules are but you feel that
>they may not be strict enough, correct?

Not at all. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate. I'm a believer in a complete free-for-all in terms of copywrite infringement in the arts. Not just music, everything. So in a way...I'm trying to attack the idea of melody/composition being a legitimate basis for infringement as well. I see no reason why melody/composition should be given more value than arrangement/engineering/rhythm/tone/etc.


>That would bring us back to my earlier question of whether it
>was possible for anyone to claim ownership to elements that
>they are not responsible for bringing into existence. The
>frequency spectrum was already here before me so how can I
>claim that I created any part of it? How would anyone
>determine, let alone prove in a courtroom, that a song
>contained an infringing tone? What sounds the same isn't
>necessarily the same.

There are certainly ways to objectively define a certain tone for a certain instrument. In this case...the base in the Pharell track is clearly modelled after the bass the in the Marvin track. To give a clearer example....suppose I make a track with a flute solo and decide to really experiment with the tone of the flute. So I record the flute with a specific condenser mic with a specific mic placement....replay the flute track soloed through a leslie cabinet with three different mics placed triangularly around the speaker. Send those tracks panned left, centre, right and add a phasing filter to the left and right while leaving the centre untouched....then create a series of patches manipulating the signal in various ways. Blah blah blah. If someone else sets out to make that EXACT same tone with the exact same mic placements, effects, patching, panning, eq'ing, etc...except they play a DIFFERENT melody...we're gonna sit here and say 'fair game'? Now....suppose the inverse....someone plays the same melody.....except they add all those production techniques which make it sound different from the pre-existing source....now it's NOT 'fair game'? I find that problematic. Hopefully that made sense.



>It just wouldn't be worth the energy and expense trying to
>prove that they are still exactly the same in a courtroom.
>Therefore, it is a good thing that we do not allow the law to
>govern at such a minute level. It would result in total chaos
>and probably no one would bother to record any more songs.
>Creativity would be held captive by overbearing legalism.

I agree...the slippery slope is ridiculous. But I'd suggest that the same case can be made for melodies/composition.

>I'm not trying to change your position. We can agree to
>disagree and I'm cool with that. I just want to make people
>aware of the possible side-effects to the outcome that they
>are asking for when they want Robin Thicke to lose this case.
>If he were to lose, it would be a sad day for recording
>artists and listeners across the country.

Agreed. Also...welcome to OKP if you're new here. I dig your posting. Always nice to have some fresh minds around. Cheers.

I read but don't post much. If I see a topic that moves me enough or somewhere where I can offer help or insight, I'll chime in. I see I'm going to have to be on my toes around you though...LOL!

I'll add a quick comment to your last reply.

Music is melody and harmony set to a rhythm and arranged in time. A song would contain these same elements plus a lyric. A copyright on a song or musical composition will only cover the musical elements such as the melody, harmony, lyric, rhythm and arrangement. Tone, frequency, pitch and timbre aren't purely musical elements. They enhance music but are more related to the physics of sound. Even a copyright on a sound recording would disregard the engineering aspects of it and focus on the musical aspects.

peace...

Madonna Sued Mary J Blige for the song "Not today" because it "Sounded just like "Holiday"


I think Mary J settled....

he was thrown off by the scream which he thinks came from 'Don't Stop's' intro. i told him to play 'BL' and 'Got to Give It Up' back-to-back and find out what he thinks. b/c he couldn't hear the similarities between the songs in his head.

lol

note: 'Don't Stop Til You Get Enough' is also inspired by 'Got To Give It Up'. i pointed this out to the guy i mentioned above as a possible reason for his confusion.

for years is to tap into a FELLING of a past song and try to recreate that feeling.

Some of his productions are more obvious like "Hot in Here = I Feel Like Bustin loose" or "Diddy = Jimmy"

Some more subtile, like tapping into chord progressions in previous hit songs or moods and applying it to productions (I've heard Phrarell mention he used alot of the same keys used on Reasonable Doubt to get Jay going when producing for him).

It's just that somebody (Marvin Gaye's estate) called Pharrell out on it this time..

he always has done.

one of the reasons i don't rate him very highly at all.

(preemptive response: fuck off, maxxx. i wasn't talking to you).

but back to Kellz - i LOL'd the 1st time i heard the Loveland bootleg b/c he had a song on there that sounded just like a Stevie Wonder song and another that sounded just like Marvin Gaye and one that sounded just like Maze.

now for Saadiq - since the 90s he's been making songs that ape the sound and feel of records by acts like Sly Stone, Al Green, and umpteen Motown acts.

I can't think of a Saadiq song that was THIS specific in referencing a pre-existing track.

I saw Quest's tweet and I think he's right. If you got a problem with what Pharrell did than you have a problem with hip hop in general.

that?..

I mean EVERY artist is influenced by somebody.

I guess with Kellz, Saadiq and others..the influence on those songs is so obvious it's clear thats the point. They are not really trying to hide it or pass it off as not what it is. Damn never every male R&B singer the past 20 years lifted off of R.Kelly so where is the Blurred Line? (yes pun intended on this one)

I mean if you tell Chris Brown "Fine China" is a straight up lift from Mike, video and all; he'd be hype as shit like "Thank You!" And Mike was influenced to make Billie Jean off of Queen Another One Bites The Dust...

I guess this Thicke,Pharell,T.I. vs Marvin Gaye estate thing raises the question,
"When is it paying homage and when is it ripping off?"

I think this lawsuit pretty much proves they knew this shit was a carbon copy of Marvins song.

copyright law and have prob. never read a single case involving it lol..

and also, here's a little hint: even though it has thicke's name attached, it doesn't mean he penned the claim or even that it was his idea...

LOL

I like Marvin. I thought Sexual Healing was good. I have heard a lot of his music.

I think that many people also like D' Angelo, Maxwell, and Eric Benet.

and you can quote me on that.

What's with the loose lips calling people uncle toms so freely without any shame? I appreciate alot of your contributions and thoughts around here....if that even matters....but it's disappointing when you get personal with people here. It's really unnecessary and undermines your position in the debate. I wanna hear you out...but you're making it hard. Evoking Zimmerman is foul and disrespectful in so many ways to so many people I can't even count them all out.

THIS is maxxx.

this shit here.

I never knew it would come to this.


I mean,
damn. lol

somebody gotta because falling for the jive of a wanna be like THicke is embarassing. dude is a Wanksta 101. robbing folks and faking the funk.

now HE'S a race man.

Bruno is a better singer

Better songwriter and got a Better Melody and Hook game.

Thicke gets over by looking like Remmington Steele and that helps him out with faking the funk and trying to play cool on tv.

Bruno Mars already said that the industry told him they would love for his stuff to go to a Blonde and Blue eyed White artist.

read about it because Bruno was talking about it early this year.

wack Thicke ain't even made a greogry Abbott "Shake you down" joint and yet this turkey gets over like he is a borderline hall of famer when in reality he is a White Chitlin Circuit and drive thru Lounge act at best.

"moonshine" is what foreigner would sound like
if the dude from foreigner had soul.... lol

and hearing Pati Labelle on the hook showed that.

Bruno got the goods musically. peace

that's my point.

I know what people mean when that say "black music"
and I know what people mean when they say "white music"


but often times, they merge.


Motown influenced the Beatles who influenced sly who influenced the Beatles
and by the time you got to the 80s you had Phil Collins getting love from black folks
and MJ on white radio.



point being, let's not get brand new.
yeah. Robin thicke is doing the black music thing but he grew up on it.

your new favorite artist does music that could be considered "white music".


that's all great.
it SHOULD be that way.

we need more people digging in the crates.
music would suck less nowadays of folks listened to more old music.



your agenda is blinding you from this one simple fact....
there is a great r&b track on the charts, and let's keep it real.... that hasn't happened in a while.


let pharell cook.


> and hearing Pati Labelle on the hook showed that.
>
>Bruno got the goods musically. peace

>that's my point.
>
>I know what people mean when that say "black music"
>and I know what people mean when they say "white music"
>
>
>but often times, they merge.
>
>
>Motown influenced the Beatles who influenced sly who
>influenced the Beatles
>and by the time you got to the 80s you had Phil Collins
>getting love from black folks
>and MJ on white radio.
>
>
>
>point being, let's not get brand new.
>yeah. Robin thicke is doing the black music thing but he grew
>up on it.
>
>your new favorite artist does music that could be considered
>"white music".
>
>
>that's all great.
>it SHOULD be that way.
>
>we need more people digging in the crates.
>music would suck less nowadays of folks listened to more old
>music.
>
>
>
>your agenda is blinding you from this one simple fact....
>there is a great r&b track on the charts, and let's keep it
>real.... that hasn't happened in a while.
>
>
>let pharell cook.


Amen....

anybody could do that and be lazy and have a hit with it.

its not like its unique or anything else. like I said Thicke been around 20 years and he ain't showed me much of nothing at all. write one memorable song.

MJ had to break chains of a Music Industry Plantation and believe me he had to go for the throat.

Phil Collins loved R&B period and raised on Motown.

thicke ain't being real with it, he is a fraud with it. i've seen white Blue eyed soul acts and they didn't have to promote themselves at a Black Barbershop or a rib shack to prove they were down and real.

show the love without over acting with it.

THicke ain't no Gino Vannelli or Bobby Caldwell let alone a George Michael or Darryl Hall.

THicke in another era wouldn't be Dino level IMO.

poor summer however that turkey will vanish from fall to spring. 3 seasons of none of that wackness.

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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge

so you wouldn't know what he is talking about Playa.

But EVERY song he has sounds like something else. And each song draws from a specific song....yet from a very eclectic playlist. That's not a put-down in my mind. That's his process. But he's definitely NOT the one you wanna point to regarding originality and genuine songwriting.

Bruno is real with his because he makes it a point of a being a Melody and Hook man who also is a great showman, THicke ain't happening like no Bruno.
Bruno though can only get better i can't say the same for Thicke and his jiveness. turkey been around all this time and still comes off like a Karoke lounge act on a Monday night at a all you can eat fries and burger joint with tips.

so is TI.
just so we're clear.

jive turkey been doing that Puffy and Dr Dre thang for 20 years and he is too corny to even make a legit solo album,

as for TI yeah of course I know, he is, he is just trying to have some loot to pay things off. and nobody cares about no TI anymore. dude don''t count. turkey doing the Scatman Scrouthers dance in the video and that rap was corny.

and I'm not going to call nobody out here unless they Provoke or come after me. however THicke is more of a David Duke or Jim Jones with what he is doing. he is Dangerous and not to be trusted.

you can Quote me, I ain't going to acknowledge no Cultural Bandit getting a pass. sorry and you can Quote me.

nor did any underage girls get pissed on....

and Robin THicke is a Cultural Bandit and I am going to speak on it period and I don't care who don't like it ya dig?

if Robin THicke was to meet me face to face I woul say you is a Cultural bandit Jive turkey and you are the George Zimmerman of Music.

fraud David Duke of Music Making.

Cause this very irrelevant matter of a summer pop hit's possible copywrite infringement has you seeing people in 3's.

1. Real soul brothers who agree with you

2. Uncle toms who don't agree with you

3. George Zimmermans who are white people that like black music.

Y'know....internet witticisms will be levied upon me for this....but all these other people that talk to you about music here? They have feelings.

anyone who takes him seriously deserves their feelings hurt.

i didn't say nothing negative to you and here you go starting in on me. so if i call you out on being a mushroom in hailing turkey don't catch no feelings ok?

not only is that offbase, but it's pretty demeaning to the memory of trayvon martin.

but you deal in hyperbole, hence my comment.

it's not even a diss, homie.


sidenote - mushroom inhaling? LOL

i've been Profiled and dealt with it first hand so its something i can speak on and relate to first hand.

when i compare Thicke to Zimmerman I'm not alone because like in the legal ruling when they said they got a way around of a obvious crime well thicke has done a crime and you got turkeys defending the obvious and yet saying well it is similar but it ain't. if it sounds like, reminds you of and sounds like well ain't it?

sorta like saying if he follows you and told not to, however takes justice and the law unto there ownselves and a jury still says it ain't what you saw well its the same with the song.

Thicke at the end of the day is a Cultural bandit. he mugging himself up the charts over a Casket. RIP and nobody cares

the songs really aren't that close.

they both feature cowbell prominently, sure. there is certainly a similar feel

but they're in different keys and the melodies aren't close at all to each other. the notation is very different between songs.

is blurred lines inspired by got to give it up? absolutely.

is it a rip-off of got to give it up? absolutely not.

and it's bigger than just this case.

take your man r.kelly, for instance.

if blurred lines is a case of plagiarism,

how isn't this ripping off barry white?

love is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLuxo_TioaE

isn't feeling single basically just bill withers' 'lovely day'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBts29yzpA

this isn't a bit too close to stevie wonder for comfort?

clipped wings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4mKebTYOtw

(i don't have to take it all the way back to 'she's got that vibe', do i? i don't have the time).

all these songs are clearly inspired by other artists' songs in exactly the same way blurred lines is inspired by got to give it up, are they not?

and there are countless other examples besides your man's. calling for monetary compensation from songs that are inspired by other songs is a very slippery slope.

however R.Kelly is a respected songwriter and it ain't like he had a beat maker standing behind him pushing the buttons to craft his songs.

yeah we can sit here and pull this or that however Kells ain't had to say oh please don't sue me because such and such sounds like this or that.

you see that is where THicke failed, had he said from the get go this song was inspired by Marvin Gaye then he wouldn't have been in this jam.

also feelin single was credited to Bill Withers as a co writer.

R made songs as a tribute to acts he loved as to taken said songs and claiming them.

R ain't never had no estate say we gonna sue you for this or that.

i've followed dude's career since jump and nothing what thicke is dealng with has happen to R. like I said thicke brought this on himself.

that's the point and folks who are defending thicke in here are missing, thicke came out and said if the Gaye estate sues well here is how i will protect myself as to saying yeah the songs sound alike to alot of folks,etc.. so here is what i'm going to do. he messed up.

chris brown and all these new guys gotta announce every time they're inspired by MJ?

bottom line is that, while blurred lines is reminiscent of got to give it up, it's not even close to a copyrights infringement.

and they are going to win. Chris Brown does say this is for MJ.

acts have for years said what they were trying to channel when making said projects.

don't worry when Thicke loses and has to get a job at Popeyes he can sing "got to give it up" over by the chicken wing section.

when the Gaye family gets through collecting off of thicke he gonna think he got hit by Marvin Hagler in real time.

everybody in the biz knows how much of a hack Pharell is and what he does and now poor thicke bout to truly give it up

i Hope Marvin Gaye haunts that turkey for jacking his thing period.

THicke is wack and I outta get in touch with Al Sharpton and we can march in Protest. its serious.

maybe you need to listen to 'got to give it up' again?

i grew on got to give it up and you can't pull that one over on me. Thicke and fake Pharell outta be ashamed of themslves.

when your hear it, you know what inspired and where it came from

no one's denying that.

pharrell and thicke stated as much.

but being inspired by a song does not equate to it being a rip off.

and i say Boycott Thicke, Pharell and TI until they do.

you don't know nothing about dat. everybody with two good pair of ears knows where this song came from.

there are none so blind as those who will not see.

and lets say I go back further than you when it comes to Music and Racial in AMerica ya Dig?

thing is old school knows what is up and I talks like real soul Brothers talk about another overrated average act at best in thicke getting a pass.

turkeys do TOM for alot of genric stuff and somebody called them out on it.

real Soul Brothers on here are few and far in between, because if we had real Soul brother talk, Real Talk we wouldn't be given no Hood wink nods to no timberlake and thicke or Hawthrone.

ask Slim Shady if his skin has been his best friend when it comes to billboard??

first and foremost i love and dig alot of White acts,however i support Black acts first and foremost and I ain't alone in that.

and also the business is racist, shady and doesn't want a Black Act to be running R&B.

they want a ELvis for every era and for the record I dig Elvis because He could do a variety of styles and was good. he never faked where he got the goods from.

i wish one of these White boy acts would say yeah I want to be like ELvis presley because i want to learn from Black Artists and be that versatile and work on my craft, etc...

i ain't hurt nobody's feelings because i didn't say nothing wrong here, i just gave my opinion and take and alot of other folks feel that way. right now THicke is the "IN" Flavor.


yeah George Zimmerman might like R&B, however he know he was wrong and thicke knows he is wrong.

Zimmerman....


Why bother?

like i said its my opinion, if you don't like then don't comment its that simple and I'm not alone, i've talked to other folks who are bothered and turned off by thicke and his grand standing on taken credit here and he is called a culture bandit by others.

also yeah I said Zimmerman and David Duke, and other Bandit that steals our culture and pimps it to make it seem he is legit.

Yes...and it's a dumb ass, ignorant opinion...

Frankly your mindset now it completely understood...The many times you have called folks on this board Uncle Toms (including myself) makes all the more sense now given that you are actually equating a white recording artist with someone who murdered an unarmed teenager...

I would say this is a new low for you...But frankly, that would be premature...

But yeah...this is some ignorant ass shit...

you are obessed with me and can't help yourself, always Stanning in my responses and are SPineless.

nobody cares anymore what you think than me, however you the one who is all hurt and needs their Diaper changed.

you Soft turkey. always crying because I speaks my mind.

i ain't said nothing about you directly in a week and here you are starting up again. I wasn't paying your Wack behind no mind, however here you go again.

Thicke is a Culture Bandit with no Soul and Pharell is a No talent Hack and a jive turkey.

you need to bounce i ain't said nothing to you. you don't to mess with Old School Ya Dig?

be tough behind a computer because you a liteweight.

i can say what i want because its my opinion, if you don't like it well you are more than welcome to tell me face to face and we know you are too soft for that so bounce turkey and stop fallling me around like a Strew dog turkey,.

I'm not obsessed with you, Maxx....U think way too much of yourself...

Just pointing out how remarkably stupid your post is...

Trayvon Martin's memory should not be played with or be trivialized....But I'm glad you actually made such an ignorant statement because it puts a lot in perspective on your worldview....

I'll let u do u, Maxx...This is just your thing....

yeah you is or you wouldn't make a statement. turkeys like you ain't got no life and you need a place like this and folks like me to inspire you and stop lying because you need material from me and others in here to inspire you and you know this Man.

you need to hang out with some Brothers or some folks man because thicke got folks Brainwashed in here. i ain't never said or kept on calling your opinions Ignorant as you do, however you can't help yourself the Massa got you believing in what you see is real and the end all be all.

you keep on doing you. turkey i done dealt with Trayvon type situations on both coasts and in between you don't even know.

Nicolas Payton the Jazz Musician said the law of copyright is very George Zimmerman like and he himself said Thicke is in a George Zimmerman type of situation with the law of music.

so i ain't the only one. stop being Hookwinked Turkey and show some Soul for a change player.

if he did that he would never get no airplay except at a neck bones drive thru.

THicke knows that Payola radio stations and the record companys said you need to do a "Got to give it up" type of song. he was told what to do and he did it.

RIGHT ON!: http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/thicke-and-co-got-to-give-it-up-to-marvin/

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Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
Evelyn King-Get Loose
George Duke-Feel
E.W.F.-RAISE
Don-E-Little Star

1.) "The sparse square wave sounding bass line is almost identical in its function to both songs."



okay...

"The motif is that the bass line drops beat 1 of each bar or every other bar, leaves some space, then ad libs a little bit."


yeah... funk records do that.

"This is a recurring theme throughout. Blurred Lines does exactly that, except they change a couple of the chords."

right.
and changing the chords is critical.

the melody of the bass and the chords of the stabs are not the same.
because, it's a different song.




2.) "The use of the cowbell is also a central part of both songs. The only difference in the songs—and in general—is whereas Gaye’s piece is more fluid and less pattern-based, Thicke’s interpretation is rhythmically static and doesn’t really go anywhere."


you cannot copyright a musical instrument.


3.) "They didn’t even try to change the keyboard. The upbeat chord stabs that give the song a slight Reggae feel (or should I say, ReGaye) is central to the character of the tune."


but if i were to write out the keyboard parts for both songs on sheet music, they wouldn't look the same.



4.) "They even codified that background chatter atmosphere Gaye frequently employed in his songs during this period of his work. How you gon’ turn organic party sounds into a cliché?"


you cannot copyright crowd chatter.
do you know how many songs do that?



5.) "The drums are the same: 4-on-the-floor with a snare backbeat on 2 and 4 with the occasional accent on a half-closed sock cymbal."


literally millions of songs have that.


"In short, they dumbed down the hipness of the original and turned Gaye’s classic opus into a fake, Macarena-esque, line dance, limbo party type club anthem."



so he doesn't like the song.
fine.


it's still a different record.

Dude hears what I hear. Pharell recreated the song. PAY UP!!!!!

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Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
Evelyn King-Get Loose
George Duke-Feel
E.W.F.-RAISE
Don-E-Little Star

time to stop frontin pharell and create a real tune and not a jacktune.

i give up.

> Dude hears what I hear. Pharell recreated the song. PAY
>UP!!!!!
>
>Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing
>
>Bumpin in the STEREO:
>Gladys Knight&The Pips
>Evelyn King-Get Loose
>George Duke-Feel
>E.W.F.-RAISE
>Don-E-Little Star

Maybe he ought to start coughing up royalty payments to the estates of Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis for every trumpet solo he has recorded and released.

peace...

>Maybe he ought to start coughing up royalty payments to the
>estates of Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker and Miles Davis for
>every trumpet solo he has recorded and released.
>
>peace...

If he recreated their songs. Pay up!!!!!


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Evelyn King-Get Loose
George Duke-Feel
E.W.F.-RAISE
Don-E-Little Star

that is at best only mildly reminiscent of another song get to be classified as a "recreation"? Am I missing something?

you're an idiot.

Right On Brother called that White Boy out for jacking Marvin and also that no talent Hack fraud Pharell as well.

it could actual work, they jacked black musicians that would be a cool duet and maybe they would do a Al Jolsen tribute medley center stage as well?

http://www.spin.com/#articles/robin-thicke-marvin-gaye-blurred-lines-rejection-six-figures-settlement-lawsuit/

All that talk of how it wasn't worthy of Marvin gettin' credit........?

Thicke 'nem may have offered that $ to make the Gaye family go away. they may have thought it was cheaper to pay them those six figures (to be paid by all the defendants, not just Thicke) than to defend a suit filed by the Gaye family. had the Gayes filed suit, the defendants (Thicke 'nem) would've had to pay for attorneys and those fees ("WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY ATTORNEY FEES??!?") may have ended up costing the defendants more than whatever they offered the Gayes. if the Gayes had accepted the $ they would've probably had to agree not to file a suit, and the defendants likely wouldn't have had to admit wrongdoing. so the defendants would've saved money going that route.

this is common stuff in civil litigation. it happens everyday.

just askin'

for the reasons i listed above and others.

yes.

legit.

If the claim the Gaye family is trying to make isn't legit, absolutely NOTHING should be offered, is how I see it.

>legit.
>
>If the claim the Gaye family is trying to make isn't legit,
>absolutely NOTHING should be offered, is how I see it.


That's not how people in the legal world see it...This is par for the course...

>That's not how people in the legal world see it...This is par
>for the course...

It's par for the course when you have a good chance of losing the suit.

Do you know how many articles I've read of music stars (Billy Joel "river of life", Michael Jackson "will you be there?", etc.) sitting up court because they felt the accuser DIDN'T HAVE A CASE?

No, settling isn't par for the course. It is when there's a good chance you could lose.


And we should know how likely that is for this particular Gaye/Thicke song.

>>That's not how people in the legal world see it...This is
>par
>>for the course...
>
>It's par for the course when you have a good chance of losing
>the suit.


Actually no....This is Law 101...Because its not even about losing...It's about being locked in a lengthy court battle (that can kill your pockets no matter how big u r...)...There's also the bad press involved....

Thicke, P and T.I. don't want any part of that, hence why they pooled their money together to drop some loot....Nothing good comes out of a trial when it comes to defending yourself against the family of a dead music icon...

Making a money deal just makes sense at this point...

thicke and them going to lose and maybe the judge will sentence them to written an orginal song for once in their lives??

'If I were accused of doing something I didn't do, I'd fight all the way to the end!' and/or there's an assumption that an attempt to settle the case by the defendants means they're somehow liable. i get it.

we saw those reactions when MJ settled that first lawsuit filed by a kid's parents who claimed MJ had diddled their youngin. i too assumed that must've meant Mike did it b/c if he hadn't done it i assumed he'd fight all the way to the end. i later learned MJ claimed he hadn't diddled the kid but he decided it was cheaper to pay the kid's parents off than to defend the suit. also by settling he avoided going through a lengthy, probing, potentially embarrassing discovery process, where parts of his life that may have no relevance to the boy's parent's claims may be probed on the record (b/c they MIGHT be relevant...plaintiff's counsel doesn't know until those areas/issues are probed via deposition testimony and written interrogatories and document requests). i didn't get it then but i get it now. still, that settlement damaged MJ's public image. so the next time he faced one of those suits he went ahead and spent the $ and went through discovery and fought to the end - and he won. still, he lost $ and time defending that suit instead of just paying to make it go away.

Thicke 'nem made a similar proposal here - the amount they offered the Gayes was undoubtedly much less $ than the Gayes would seek in a lawsuit. it was less than Thicke 'nem would be ordered to pay by a court if they lost the suit. it was less or about the amount Thicke 'nem expected to pay attorneys to defend the potential suit. if the Gayes accepted, Thicke 'nem wouldn't face a suit, wouldn't have to pay lawyers and wouldn't have to go through that lengthy (yrs long) discovery process w/the potential for their private and professional lives to be aired out on the record. not that they had anything to hide necessarily but that they didn't feel like being bothered dealing w/all of that when they did nothing wrong (from their standpoint). they thought it made more sense to just pay a relatively small amount of $ to be done w/the entire nuisance that would be the Gaye's lawsuit.

it's not about principle it's about practicality.

i say this b/c i've represented plaintiffs and had to work w/them when defendants have offered a settlement before i'd filed a suit on their behalf. i've had to explain what's going on and why i feel the plaintiff should or shouldn't take the money. i learned this from very seasoned attorneys who've observed it after dozens of yrs of practice. i didn't just make this up.

still, i get your stance. i felt the same way before i became a pro.

*shrugs*

as to that hustling jive mess THicke and them pulled? you are tripping. Thicke knows good and well he jacked that song period.

if you are that cool then you don't say or do nothing. you make the Gaye family get at you, not the other way around.

Michael Jackson got frammed turkey and nothing was ever there. in fact the LAPD tried to frame him with that old Slavery traffic law and it got dismissed. Thicke wishes he could pay for it to go away, problem is his corny no Original jive turkey self gotta pay up.


MJ Settled because he didn't want it to take a life of its own, and it was a hearsay situation, where Blurred Lines and Got to give it up ain't no Puzzle, Culture Bandit gotta pay and his no talent hack buddy.

with the MJ Police around. and you can't go around trying to compare two things that ain't even in the same ball park at all.

even if the claim is bullshit, you still have to pay an attorney.
if you can settle for cheaper than the attorney will cost, well... you might just settle.

it's the client's choice, ultimately.

>legit.
>
>If the claim the Gaye family is trying to make isn't legit,
>absolutely NOTHING should be offered, is how I see it.

good and next time come up with your own song and music.

But still I think at the end of the day this will be settled out of court. With Pharrell & Thicke just writing them a bigger check.

Whether they take the extra money or not will determine if all this is about up holding the integrity of their father's legacy or they just seeing an easy pay day.

But let's also keep in mind, " Got to Give It Up" was not even produced by Marvin Gaye , it was produced by Art Stewart whose family have yet to come out and claim that "Blurred Lines" was coping their father's music. More than likely because they know it's not.


And from what I've read most music professors who have dissected both songs have agreed although they may seem the same both tracks are actually quite different, they went on to list those differences.

who here feels the should?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeHDnF7MU90

The vibe, melody, humorous monologues throughout the song , EVERYTHING about this song sounds EXACTLY like a P-Funk track. Much like with "Blurred Lines" Charlie Wilson admitted, they were inspired by Clinton & them guys.

Yet today no one is outrage over it.

Did Charlie and them every write George Clinton a check??? I don't know. Should he have, if he didn't???

not even the same argument. i guess next you gonna say George DUke should have paid George CLinton for Reach for it and Dookie stick??

same thing there.

it's completely different.

alot of acts back then were using the p Funk Sound and getting radio play period. thing was it wasn't a out of the Oridinary.
Michael Henderson "Wide Reciever had a P Funk vibe

Brothers Johnson get the funk outta my face

George Duke Reach for it Dookie stick

rick james bustin out had that vibe as well


bottom line that was the sound and happening thing in R&B Radio back in the day.


Gap Band were told to get that radio play you gotta have something along those lines, etc.. and it worked.

nobody tripped and you weren't over here so you wouldn't know.

however what Thicke and Pharell pulled was a going for the old and pulling the wool over.

Mariah Carey use to do this all the time.

it's totally different.

Charlies Wilson said they were not going for one particular song with "Oops Upside Your Head" but the feel and vibe of that era.

That's pretty much what Thicke & Pharrell are saying with "Blurred Lines".

But people are citing that one particular Marvin song because of the similar overall rhythm (which really is not even close to Marvin's if folks really, REALLY listen to both songs) and background "ohhhs & ahhhs".

FYI: I'm the worst kind when it comes to "debates" such as these because of an over powering objective rationality which trumps blind and obedient loyalty.



> not even the same argument. i guess next you gonna say
>George DUke should have paid George CLinton for Reach for
>it and Dookie stick??
>

Robbin THicke jacked Marvin Gaye's song period, Cultural Bandit with a Mask on in broad day light period.

are different?

absolutely they went for the same feel

as did the gap band to p-funk with 'oops up'.

it's bigger than just this one example.

and a dangerous precedent.

with a Suitcase full of cash if they didn't see or hear any conflict of interest?? please explain that away? and mind you thicke's song only been out since may.3 months and you running scurred already??

usually we talking a year 2 or later. you don't go for the cash in the suitcase and the protection unless you got a Confession.

Indeed...And as someone else stated, it's not only the Gap Band...

George Duke never had to pay up Bootsy....

Let's keep it real....Some of the vocals on one of the best commercial Duke songs "Dukey Stick," a track that got the party started in almost every setting (Barbecues, hood parties, ect..) deliberately (and cleverly) took on the sound of P-Funk....And didn't even try to hide it...

Even more specifically, there's so much Bootsy talk ("Ahhhh") and catch phrases in that song fans early on thought it was an actual Bootsy song when it first came out...

So yes...this is NO different that "Blurred Lines" if you are looking at this agenda free....

the gap band and others back in the day rode off of P Funk it was style to getting radio play on R&B radio.

however when Kirk Franklin did stomp it was no different than What THicke did with Blurred lines IMO.

everybody who is of a certain age hears blurred lines and automatically they think and hear Got to give it up period.

and its simple as that.

It's quite simple..."Dukey Stick" is George Duke doing P-Funk/Bootsy...

Just as Thicke's "Blurred Lines" is dude doing Marvin...

The only difference is one is black and vastly more talented (RIP) and the other is white...

And when that is the case, it's easy to see where u will go with this...

Like I said...U got to know when to go that route... I like what the new kid in this thread said...It's not about being a Thicke fan or supporting dude...I don't own one Thicke album..I like a few songs, but that's as far as I go...

But u got to be fair and consistent.....

if they never presented the Gaye Estate with cold hard cash in a suitcase then it would be mute.

those cats back in 78-80 was acknowledging a sound and vibe that was happening then. now fast forward to now and when you do a song that sounds very similar then logically you gonna think and feel sample and they did sample MJ's scream from Don't stop til you get enough.

like you already know Steely Dan had pay Keith Jarrett for a song being so similar and it happens.

i mean Got to Be real by Cherryl Lynn and Best of my love by the emotions are dead ringers.

Mariah Carey had to settle out of court with her song Emotions and Best of my love.

i see a settlement on the low.

They were never on the hook to give Marvin's family anything...Before Pharrell's Thicke, and TI's court action, they had already offered $100,000....And the thing that people are not getting (whether deliberately or by mistake) is that Marvin's family does not own the great man's music....Literally...they no longer own the rights to Marvin's music...

So really, this is more about people's feelings and love for Marvin than the actual facts...

because when the Gap Band put that out that was the in thing at the time and alot of acts had similar sounding records out like that at the time.

what Thicke and Pharell did was jack a older song and mask it.

Gap band were new to the game at the time in terms of having commerical play and the golden rule then as always have something accessible and they did.

now if the Gap Band had have came out with a record that sounding like Frankie Lymon and the teenagers and tried to pass it off as new and use the basic rhythms and style then they would have been pulling a THicke.

i saw what THicke and Pharell did. this is on Karoke Guitar hero tip.

nobody tripped because the Gap Band were a legit talent and act, same can't be said for RObbing Thicke

Say you do not personally like Robin Thicke or Pharrel Williams
you are using this opportunity to denounce and discredit them,

even thought things like have been done by other artists continuously throughout music history........

pay up turkeys.

hahahaha

But they already offered 6 figure$$$. It's was rejected.

So maybe 3-5 million should be enough eh?

10-20 million and sentenced to writing an original song is a fair trade off IMO. that figure i mentioned is fair because thicke gotta big hit worldwide and his album will go multi platinum here and abroad and also his back catelog will generate income.

......

what obviously influenced these guys (they already admitted it) so that goes without saying, but the burden of proof fall on the Marvin Gaye estate to prove that Pharrell and Thicke went out to INTENTIONALLY copy from that one song and that one song only.

And I don't think they can do that. Pharrell has been in the music business for over 20 years now, produced 100s or more songs, the dude is not know for stealing other artists music.

He has admitted to being influenced and inspired by various other producers and we can hear that in his production .

For that alone I think the guy deserves a little benefit of doubt here because him being accused of "plagiarism" is inconsistent to what he is known for as a producer.

he is a no talent hack, remember how the record company send his debut album back like it was a reject burger from Jack in the Box?

Pharell is a no talented Hack. can't sing, can't write and ain't no producer.

folks in the know laugh at that turkey and know he is so limited it ain't even funny.

he ain't made one song that is ever going to be considered timeless. 20 years of being wack and a fraud musically. Yeah I said and you can Quote me and THicke and him said around listening to Got to give it up because they knew it was there only hope at a real hit.

THicke is a 3rd tier artist. if he were black he wouldn't even be able to be Eric Benet's opening act and that is a fact.

HEY,HEY,HEY= Bill Cosby the 70's

Opening vocal riff whic jacks Michael Jackson's Don't stop til you get enough= the 70's

the beat and Groove=Got to give it up which equals pay up Marvin Gaye and find another 70's act to jack and be a bit more creative with it next time.

And Robin Thicke is "serviceable" at best. Never really got into the guy's music. He's ....ok I guess


("Bu,bu but wait! how?? why???...you are defending them here!")


I know, I know, I know.

again, it's this pasty little thing called : INTEGRITY

Which affects me to stand up for what I believe is right,
even though I may personally despise what I'm standing up for.

So I may personally agree with everything you say about these guys, but that doesn't mean they are wrong regarding this situation.

to writing an Original song and if they can't write an original song, then they can be bus boys at applebees or something. they turkeys outta be ashamed of themselves.

>And Robin Thicke is "serviceable" at best. Never really got
>into the guy's music. He's ....ok I guess
>
>
>("Bu,bu but wait! how?? why???...you are defending them
>here!")
>
>
>I know, I know, I know.
>
>again, it's this pasty little thing called : INTEGRITY
>
>Which affects me to stand up for what I believe is right,
>even though I may personally despise what I'm standing up
>for.
>
>So I may personally agree with everything you say about these
>guys, but that doesn't mean they are wrong regarding this
>situation.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Both sides are bullshit.

You hear the ques of "got to give it up". you hear beat/tempo influence.
but this was not a full, or healthy sample or hook,they had to get cleared by the Gaye estate. Bullshit.

RT trying to sue first or whatever.....Stupid. Afraid and stupid.

I dig RT. I wont get into shit about that.
I can't go for days without hearing a marvin gaye ALBUM. so please dont go there with me.

It's pretty senseless and uncalled for from both sides.