>The word "previously" is the key. Obviously expectations
>change. That doesn't make them less real, does it? Nor any
>less important in the definition of form. So, what's false?

By your rationale there was something wrong with atonality before it was an accepted norm. That is categorically false. There was nothing wrong with atonality prior, it was the expectations or accepted norm that were wrong. So there was always music in atonality, there was just a norm defined to exclude it. Opening up the definitions so that nothing which could potentially be later understood in the musical context gets excluded is the point.

>Er...which part? Digitally generated sound has been around
>precisely as long as digital technology. It's not that long a
>history at all, and it's very well documented.

The time from then back to the first person to sing isn't a long time? Yeah okay.

>But your point
>is that the "palette" (I think the word you meant earlier) is
>bigger now than ever before.

Spell checks a bitch. But yes. We have a broader understanding of the variables that can be manipulated to produce expressive sounds than we did when the first human figured out how to sing.

>>That's a hierarchical. I say the step further is a
>>continuation.
>
>I believe you introduced the hierarchy when you used the word
>"peak," right?

Peak doesn't have to mean best.

>Except that circular breathing, to use your example, is an
>ancient technique, used by wind players all over the world. As
>for taking it to the max, I read in wikipedia that "In 1997, a
>Guinness World Record was set for longest held musical note.
>Kenny G used circular breathing to sustain an E-flat on a
>saxophone for 45 minutes and 47 seconds. In February 2000,
>Vann Burchfield set a new Guinness world record for circular
>breathing, holding one continuous note for 47 minutes, 6
>seconds, surpassing Kenny G’s record."
>
>Which raises the problem of diminishing returns. I don't
>particularly care to hear a 47-minute held note, but it's
>interesting to know that it can be done. But maybe you're
>thinking more musically: what sort of circular breathing
>territory will electronic music reveal that hasn't already
>been explored?

But see how your perspective shaped the whole notion. For you circular breathing is just about how long they can hold that note. But what if the techniques explored weren't in the how long, but in the what else can be done while? That's the inspiration which could come from electronic while not coming from anything else.

>Then why did you spend those first few paragraphs discussing
>aesthetics and genre?

To piss of folk like you obviously!!


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