and that dub step shit? ugh.

everytime i hear somebody start rapping with that pattern (and you KNOW which one i'm talking about) it kinda makes me wanna murder. forrilla.

there are the exceptions, but overall...i can't stand it.

yes, i'm old. (<---- disclaimer for da haterz!)

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Most of the time rappers inject it with the intent to impress his listeners with his "advanced" flow. I think usually it feels forced, but sometimes it works, I guess. Roc Marciano does it sometimes, and I usually approve of when he does. But for the most part I agree. I wish people would stop trying to impress their listeners and just say something instead of relying on a silly cadence.

Freddie Gibbs does a good job of it. Bone Thugs over do it. I can't completely tell if I enjoy Tech N9ne's because his beats always suck.


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Bone is hella talented, & i respect Gibbs skill, but it don't do much for me.

3-6 is largely terrible to me. i wish i could write music notation in here, but their 1&2&3&fo flow irritates the shit out of me more often than not. *shrugs*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWjEtfcq0c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4GpM46V_uE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuig20x0A3A&feature=related

Dudes did not rhyme any. other. way. in some places in California for years and years

It was prevalent to where whenever you would write rhymes it would just come out like that

Dudes had the same vibrating claw rap hand they bit from Rifleman and everything

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV15cDVT4Bg

however, i HATE, HATE, HATE that chopping shit.

if i heard that style and only that style at every hip hop event i went to, i'd be a staying at home motherfucka.

like i said up there...i respect the talent and the skill...i just don't like it. most of it doesn't sound good to me.

to be in either S.I.N. or Figures of Speech I forget which female group

Really sweet lady

Doc screenings all around the west coast and even up in Canada were selling out, packed to the walls standing room only which shows how regional the style is cause I went to the screening in NYC on 34th and there was like 12 people :(

2 of them were my dudes from Grandgood and I think I saw a couple rappers like Elucid up there

But yeah I'm telling you I used to hit the blowed every week and everybody was doing that style it took on a life of it's own

that's what people wanted to hear and that's how people wanted to rap

the faster and more complex you could bounce the better

it sounds dope... and if it sounds dope, it is dope! LOL...

What I can't stand are these Bamma rappers slow rapping while saying nothing...

I trap.........I get it in..... I rap.... juice and gin....
hey, hey, hey, yeahhhhhh repeat 10 times and fade song out.

WHAT???

There is a new group from Chicago who was on Sucka Free and the whole song was like that... beat knocked but these niccas sounded like hype men.

it was playing and it was just a bunch of mammajahammbo ©


>I trap.........I get it in..... I rap.... juice and gin....
>hey, hey, hey, yeahhhhhh repeat 10 times and fade song out.
>
>WHAT???
>

these days all I play is Chinx Drugz and Montana as long as the hook is hot I'm with it

He ain't talkin bout shit on there either.

then i'm gonna do it to you you you do it to you with my dillz with my dillz and you gonna like it please don't bite it let me bite it

just consume, don't worry about what's in there- you already know it's no good...

i think his versatility, coupled with his voice is amazing.

actually, i don't think i *really* consider what he does to be double-time it's more rapid-fire, non-stop...his shit is straight 16th notes with accents...like a paradiddle, whereas the MCs i don't really care for a little more syncopated/rhythmic with it.

i don't know if i'm making sense to anyone except myself here...LOL.

i like what i like tho and Busta gets a lifetime pass. i really don't care if what he said in that Chris Brown remix made sense or not, lol. that's my dude.

I think I understand..

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What's even worse is when r&b singers started doing it..

I blame it on Bone Thugs and Mariah Carey collabs.

>What's even worse is when r&b singers started doing it..
>
>I blame it on Bone Thugs and Mariah Carey collabs.


birthed what we commonly refer to around these parts as "tinging". (talk+singing)

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>birthed what we commonly refer to around these parts as
>"tinging". (talk+singing)

my office hours are from...

*points at you*

by Mystik Journemen..

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=KOTXWy4OI9k

on big bang (chorus)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWLqvETU1bQ

i'm not too happy with Large Pro's attempt at it either...LOL.

when it's the whole track (or the whole ALBUM) it wears on me quickly. It loses most of the funkiness of the thing in favor of this military-snare, rat-a-tat sound. Not my favorite style at all.

>military-snare, rat-a-tat sound. Not my favorite style at all.

all the 32nd notes and rolls on the snares AND hi hats? SO many people are doing it. i mean, maybe it sounds good to somebody, but DAYUM. are there absolutely NO rules anymore? EVERYBODY can bite that sound/style and ain't nobody getting they ass beat for it?

things done changed.

If I never heard it ever again, tho, I wouldn't be mad.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

Allied State of the National Electric Beat Treaty Organization (NEBTO)

I'm a fan of fast rhyming rappers, not a fan of dub-step too much or kats rhyming over dub-step or the UK grime sound but hey it's quite a few rappers who do it well and sound nice over some fast or slow dope beats.

I do hate how it seem like every song on Azelia Banks mixtape was in that same dubstep/double time flow shit...LIke slow down on at least one song.

you like a lot of diverse stuff, man...i gotta give you credit.

i sat through that whole shit like "WTF is going on!!!!"

damn track was slowing up and speeding up for no reason, chopping and screwing out of the blue...SMMFH.

y'all can HAVE that.

>damn track was slowing up and speeding up for no reason,
>chopping and screwing out of the blue...SMMFH.

The way they take the track somewhere you didn't think it was going like 3-6 use to do.

They still raw as hell tho but when they get it all together I think they'll be something great.

most overuse it as a gimmick and frankly suck at it.

and agreed with the dubstep. when i heard kanye and hov rap over dub step i knew it was over.

as far as the actual lyrics..

It's like talking fast to somebody your trying to con or hustle, flurry them with words so they won't catch thats it's all bullshit..lol.

Alot of that stuff is sounds bouncy on the surface but if you real the lyrics like someone pointed out earlier, it be some real basic, "cat, hat , bat" shit..

Sometimes..

Im DEFINITELY NOT talking about Twista though..that dude is seriously the best fast rapper ever. He doesn't just spit fast just for the sake of it. He actually says some shit content wise within the flow, it's coherent and makes sense, clear and precise, the train never goes off the track..

>as far as the actual lyrics..
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>It's like talking fast to somebody your trying to con or
>hustle, flurry them with words so they won't catch thats it's
>all bullshit..lol.
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>Alot of that stuff is sounds bouncy on the surface but if you
>real the lyrics like someone pointed out earlier, it be some
>real basic, "cat, hat , bat" shit..
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>Sometimes..
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>Im DEFINITELY NOT talking about Twista though..that dude is
>seriously the best fast rapper ever. He doesn't just spit fast
>just for the sake of it. He actually says some shit content
>wise within the flow, it's coherent and makes sense, clear and
>precise, the train never goes off the track..
>

i seriously don't understand why he isn't a LOT bigger than he is.

...yeah i do. a lot of his songs suck. he needs help.

Not only for Jay's verses but Jaz-O's verse as well.

I like it when it's done well.

as well as all the other songs they've done together. (i've made that post before...LOL)

see! there are exceptions to my rule! lol.

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I love Dizzee


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reason I couldn't get it at the mom-and-pop near my place then sorta forgot about it.

Showtime wasn't up to Boy In Da Corner's standard from what I remember.

which is saying something. the beats were really airy and spaced out while Dizzee was still rapping claustrophobic. It felt like an album that wanted to be bigger than it was but was constantly shrinking under the pressure. It's a cool listen in spurts, though.


I prefer the American release of M+E, it omits Pussyole but it has nice UGK and El-P remixes of two of the records on there. I played the shit out of that CD when it came out, one of the last I super intentionally bought in a store. Not really a game changer, just a really, really enjoyable rap album, barely even grime most of the time.


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I like the OG far better than the El-P remix & I'm a fan of El-P's production generally.

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That slow ass double time flow these dudes are using...HORRIBLE.

i've heard maybe TWO songs with him on it.

i feel like i need to pray on this...but i kinda like that Amen song. (don't tell nobody)

the other song was from the first MMG compilation i think...him & Ross over an Alchemist beat, i believe. he was rhyming pretty straightforward if i remember correctly. i thought that song was nice.

but yeah...that slow flow double time shit is precisely what i'm talking about. GROSS.

Dude knows how to Rap. Lyrics aren't anything special at all, but he has command on the mic...MAJOR presense, consistent flow, knows how to spit in pocket, put emphasis on certain lines, etc etc

>Dude knows how to Rap. Lyrics aren't anything special at all,
>but he has command on the mic...MAJOR presense, consistent
>flow, knows how to spit in pocket, put emphasis on certain
>lines, etc etc

i'm not all religious like THAT, but that song is more than a lil' *insert Fred Sanford AC/DC hand gesture*.

as to the other comment...i ain't scared of the Lesson. LOL. you're talking to the guy who likes You Owe Me AND The Mall and WILL TALK ABOUT IT!!

>i feel like i need to pray on this...but i kinda like that
>Amen song. (don't tell nobody)

thank Michael McDonald and Lester Abrams

case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaLKe4JBpHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AWH0C_cDSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA93qIdqDyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQC-Z3S8NbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC3MszAzJjQ <-- 2nd verse

corey's verse on a millie is live too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L3KdnsGogQ

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Niggas still jocking that style.

on some regionally agnostic posse track, or to satisfy the "trend".

if that's someone's actual style of rapping I don't even mind it.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-t-5uk7KE

Because if you know ANYTHING about MC'ing you'll know that writing the same shit, same style, same cadence, over the SAME beat over and over over and over and over is quite frankly...pretty fuckin boring.

some people use sniping as a gimmick, others use it to break away from the redundance of doing the same shit. Its fun to challenge yourself as a writer, its fun to learn new styles, its fun to learn how to MASTER YOUR CRAFT!

Yall are some of the most knowledgable music heads around, yet have NO knowledge on how the inner workings of a writers mind really works. Instead of saying "I hate this, I hate that" why not try and tap into it and appreciate another part of the art form?

there's a reason why every Okayplayer artist is pretty much ignored by the modern fan...the people who ride for them are close minded as fuck. its a shame smh.

i could continue but there's no need.

I think you're old enough to die off with the other dinosaurs...yall can all live in one big closed minded museum.

>I think you're old enough to die off with the other
>dinosaurs...yall can all live in one big closed minded
>museum.

i hope your raps are better than your posts.

>i hope your raps are better than your posts.

>>I think you're old enough to die off with the other
>>dinosaurs...yall can all live in one big closed minded
>>museum.
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>i hope your raps are better than your posts.

ooooohh you really got me there, old ass beat street/ breakin 2: electric bugaloo rebuttals....fuck outta here Turbo.

know it well, hey?

they're not really alive.

here, you can read about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animatronics

even with disclaimers. what's a nigga to do. (c) Jiggaman

Can't trip off your personal feelings on it
Personally, I LOVE it
Can't say I love every application of it
Or every artist that uses it

Bone, IMO, perfected it in a palatable way, but now they're spotty as fuck overall. Certain songs are perfect... others are downright trash these days. .

Luda does that shit in entertaining ways and employs it as technique in his arsenal instead of a gimmicky crutch like a lot of dudes.

Royce does it in a way that's downright vicious and keeps the "head" element alive in it. Eminem? Sometimes, same as Royce, but that "Angry Pee Herman Psycho" voice thing is fucking annoying.

Crooked I is beastly with it, on some Busta Rhymes shit- and yeah, Busta goes *HARD* with it.

Tech 9, well, depends on the track, because I both LOVE some of his shit, and am completely bored on others. Project Blowed.... Meh. I'd love it accapella, but the tracks themselves always made it hard to listen to for me. Sometimes people just do this shit to the wrong beats, and that was a major issue for me with PB.

Personally, it's just another technique that adds intrigue and energy to the mix, but it depends on who, what, when, where, and how. You don't like it, well.... I feel like you've closed off a major source of dope. Do you, obviously. I just feel like it's your loss

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e.g. Kendrick- he slips in and out of it so seamlessly that it works. I think it's dope.

I didn't expect that double time flow from him, but the way he did it was nice.