What are they?

>

great performance seeing as though this is his 1st time performing in front of an audience on live tv in over a decade

>

but yea that song is one resason that made him crazy lol

He has to perform that song.

.

Note that I said the "Unititled" VIDEO... not even the song.

sounds like a "Chicken Grease" remix but with more mumblin and rhythm guitar

...he's playing (EST)? i'm trying to see if i should leave where i'm at early and watch it at home or see it where i'm at.

V.

http://youtu.be/MTNpLMHK0m4

half the crowd felt it and the other half thought they were in a Bingo hall waiting their number.

>half the crowd felt it and the other half thought they were
>in a Bingo hall waiting their number.

It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie listen to..."

and then you got all the 35-and-ups mad at the kids for not knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing down the culture, etc.

But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that these people don't know D?

El Debarge got a strong reaction when he performed on there two years back and for the record

El Debarge>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>D'angelo and it ain't even close.

El is a Better singer, songwriter, can sing/sang and is a crooner thug as well.

D'angelo sounds like a COnstipated Al Green or Cee Lo to these kids in need of some Pepto.

the music would work for a broadway play of Bingo long and the traveling all stars, however that mess ain't what a comeback is suppose to be about.

this turkey pulled a Michael J Fox and stayed in a Black to the Future poor turkey.

i gotta get my bingo hat on and call out this turkeys number

you can't blame folks when a turkey takes 20 years to drop a new record and is still mumbling like he did and hasn't improved at all. stuck in a time warp and seems lost

El had folks talking about him as a songwriter and his vocal performance was on point.

the thing is El before D'angelo and R.kelly and others channeled Marvin Gaye and yet still was his own man because of his voice and songwriting chops period.

believe me that is what seperates a real deal talent from a cat who is at best hit and miss.

El Debarge made the most of his comeback, while D'angelo seems still stuck in a time warp.

El Debarge would have turned the GQ thing out and his live show right now when he is touring with New Edition is on point.

D'angelo needs to observe how you make a comeback, because El hadn't made a record until 2010 in 15 years and still got it and live as well.

EL don't be mumbling either and he grooves and does covers in his show.

don't get me started on El Debarge, he is everything alot of these turkeys be preaching about D'angelo

He still got a WHOLE lot of people excited to see him come back... especially females.

He might fuck around and sell a whole gang of records (provided he actually gets around to releasing a record)

A lot more people still feeling this cat in 2012 than expected. I mean, I thought it was mostly OKP types and other self-professed "different" people, but he still gets chicks' panties moist.

So if he's smart, he's gonna strike while the iron is hot and get that record out FAST

he never lost a base and he has talent, maxwell could have done that routine and been straight

he ain't going past platinum but he outta do good, problem he still choked

>maxwell could have done that routine had he been straight

fixed that for you.



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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Maxwell is a better singer/sanger better songwriter, better live act

and made better albums Urban hang suite walks all over D'angelo and keeps him mumbling to to himself.

Maxwell is one of those cats that outta be bigger as a artist IMo, and he is a cool cat.

if Maxwell had that band last night folks would still be talking about how Maxwell stole the show and ran things.

D'angelo instead made folks think he raided Buckwheat's old routine and lost folks with a wack song. poor turkey

even though IMO its a much more apt comparison than the masked pedophile.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Maybach music doing hooks with Omarion and Rick Ross.

nobody cares about a Never was Has been, hit less and a cat who choked and blew a chance at being something instead of a myth figure.

both wore Heat uniforms except one of them Won Jewelry and had a career that counted toward being One of the Greatest and the other was one of the Greatest Hype ever.


Kellz could show D'angelo how to do old school and yet be modern.

D'angelo can't hang with Joe either on stage and in the studio

shit on stage..


Now he's looking at the closet....

Now he's walking to the closet.....

Now he's reaching out for the closet....

Now he's opening the closet....


lololol......


that shit is some garbage...

looking like nigga off the streets, that shit is corny
you gotta have subtitles on the screen and shit
Kells maybe corny at times, but some of that shit jams
can't say the same for this dude
Kells , hate him or love him, is an icon
nigga gone get tribute shows and shit
this cat, well nm



>shit on stage..
>
>
>Now he's looking at the closet....
>
>Now he's walking to the closet.....
>
>Now he's reaching out for the closet....
>
>Now he's opening the closet....
>
>
>lololol......
>
>
>that shit is some garbage...
>
>
>

and that performance was happening in a WHitman Mayo, Sherman hemsley, Scatman scruthers kind of way. that 35-40 year old jimmy joint timey thing.

Kellz was doing a one Man Charlie Chaplin Meets Benny Hill Meets Rudy Ray Moore Meets Richard Pryor One Man show on stage a Hip Hop Opera and all the characters.

D'angelo is One ole Relic routine of stage which he has been doing oh so well for almost 15 years straight, problem is he was gone for 10 of those.

you keep dreaming man, Mumblo is stuck in a time warp and sorry there is no Michael J Fox to drive that turkey to the Future.

Kellz got movies,directs, wrote all the characters and story lines, meanwhile D'angelo stil hollering about some chicken grease in 2012.

inspire an incalculable amount of slurpitude in their fans

and dominate got longevity, Domiance and Jewelry so haters can Hate all they want Kangs got crowns, them other turkey got hurt feelings

and Kellz is only somewhat relevant because he knows how to feed the kids with music that has no integrity.

D might mumble but at least he can read, turkey.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

turkey I can't read or write, or know big words, however i know Hustle Player. R&B thugs ain't gotta read just count the paper and keep them numbers moving turkey.
D'angelo is a made for tv thug he ain't no real thug and that is why that audience fell asleep.

youre now writing that you cannot read or write?

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

and also R&B thugs put things together and make them do what they do.

i don't mumble or Mumblo.

>>half the crowd felt it and the other half thought they were
>>in a Bingo hall waiting their number.
>
>It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You
>got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass
>crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie
>listen to..."
>
>and then you got all the 35-and-ups at the kids for not
>knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing
>down the culture, etc.
>
>But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that these
>people don't know D?

D"angelo could have put a Tyler Perry wig on and did the Electric slide and put half the crowd to sleep, poor turkey.

boring and doing the same routine for 20 years straight

Y'all fucking around right?

D'Angelo THREW DOWN.

it's like "Chicken Grease Pt. II"... and I've gone on record with my feelings about "Chicken Grease"

I shouldn't talk, of course, because I've just come to terms that I don't *get* D's funk, for the most part. To me, it sounds like some shit that 13 years ago, would have been released on Hidden Beach and played on Smooth Jazz radio. It don't groove to me. Even when you looked in the audience, people were nodding their heads and *trying* to groove to it, but the groove ain't really all there, y'know. You can feel a little groove to it, but it's not strong enough to make your backbone slip.

I prefer D on ballads and stuff like that... His attempts to funk always make me feel bad for him.

But hey... I know some people seem to dig it, so I guess it's different strokes.

Don't look at it as funk.

Take it as his tribute, R&B with a funk flavour. Looking at it as funk is what leaves you unsatisfied.

He'll never funk as hard as the greats and holding him to any set standard means that he's doomed to fail. His niche has never been funk, just R&B.

It's like chicken. You can add a little sauce, but if you expect it to taste like a steak you'll be disappointed.

>He'll never funk as hard as the greats and holding him to any
>set standard means that he's doomed to fail. His niche has
>never been funk, just R&B.

You know, last weekend I was listening to Brown Sugar and I thought "Damn... This shit is dope, and unique!"

I've said before that D does not have a unique musical voice or sound or persona, but I think on BS he was actually in the process of developing one. I think that "Alright" in particular--while I don't necessarily think it's the best song on the album--best represents what D's aesthetic was (and imho, should have been).

I can remember around 1998 when news of D's followup leaked and it said he wanted to raise the stakes to elevate himself above rivals such as Maxwell and Chico Debarge by going full-on Funk, following the footsteps of Ohio Players and P-Funk... I can actually remember being very concerned and unenthusiastic about that idea.

In my opinion, D had a really fresh niche he was working: super-soulful singing over lo-fi hip-hop drums and moody, almost ambient keyboard textures. I thought (and think that sound was almost as radical as what Prince was doing with funk and new wave in the early 80s.

But then he decided that he wanted to go and do a watered-down version of sounds that other bands had done much, much better and that he will never measure up to.

That being said, this Chicken Grease stuff don't even work as a "tribute" to funk IN MY OPINION. It's just... some mediocre shit, really. I mean, like I said: maybe it's me. But do y'all reall *dance* to Chicken Grease? Does that stuff really grab you the way that a James Brown or Cameo record does? Or do you have to kind of force yourself to feel it?

a beat tape. I like it in a 'ooh it would be cool to hear <insert random mc> spit on that' kinda way. It is pretty mediocre in the context of the album and expectations.

Chicken Grease doesn't even compare to the old time real funk stuff. So to most funk heads, it would just sound pedestrian at best.

That's good to know in terms of why you weren't feelin the song. Because when i first heard of the "comeback" in the Europe mini-tour, Sugar Daddy was the first clip i saw of him and i was J-A-M-M-I-N. Something about the piano melody at first didn't strike me immediately, but once he started singing and had the background vocalists, the chorus, and you started hearing everything mesh together, i started busting out in prose about how ecstatic i was that music rose dude from out the ashes. Then some mofo made an audio version of the live performance in Paris that i downloaded (but barely listen to so i don't spoil the album), and when i played that in my car, yo i just could NOT smilin and boppin my head.

So i think maybe that wasn't the best song for a "comeback"? Maybe "Another Life" would have been insane, but knowing BET Award watchers, they would have said it's "sleeping" music. And definitely wouldn't be ready for The Charade. YouCaintWin (C) - MJ. It is what it is: liked or not liked. i know i'm just on the side of like.




SIDE NOTE: It feels very weird to evaluate an artist like sports lol. That's just not my steez, but i guess that's the only way some people understand music (more "hits" = more points, keeping up with "competition" = good defense (eyeroll, instead of just doing you), being out in the court/field = releasing music, winner = worthless ass Grammys and BET awards, injury = time off to heal, fantasy football/futbol/basketball = popularity-contests-award predictions, etc. etc. And it's funny how all of things are understood in sports, but are bullshyt in the world of music. A mofo seriously injures his knee for good, understood. L Boogie and Bill Withers want to take time off for family, mental health; stupid. Athlete/player comes back on the court/field, welcome back. An artist comes back in the game, "how well are they finna entertain me?" (We're all guilty of this). Athlete may not win a championship, but hustle respected. An artist may not win a Grammy or Billboard award and the mofo that does is a standard that should be followed.

Wonder if i'm the only naive lady out there who just evaluates art for art *shrugs*.

^Btw i'm not saying that's how ppl on this site are per se, but rather how music is viewed by people who don't know even love music for music.

>Wonder if i'm the only naive lady out there who just evaluates
>art for art *shrugs*.

...but i'll take the compliment *shotgun*

Chill. No one is even coming at you.

same ole routine, nice keyboard runs and a few nice vocal runs and parts

however still no songs

and mumbling and stuck in a time warp like any broke James brown Motel 6 lounge act could do at 2 in the morning

Sugah Daddy was cool, but not a song to lead the come back with. Hell, The Charade or Another Life would have been way more effective.

"The Charade" is pretty good too. He should stick to material like that and leave the funk alone lol

Then he just comes back and does a rehash of the Voodoo Tour with none of the horns 40 extra pounds and half the energy. I love D, but not like this. (c) Switch

Charade & Another would have been much better song choices...

with Tom Joyner dressed as Isacc and a smile.

this mess is tired

The last two song I wanted to hear from D. Really he did just do the same ol same ol. At least he doin shit though.

damn I sure hated having to watch through that awards show until he performed....that was torture....lol.

I actually like Sugar Daddy better hearing it clear like this than I did when I heard it before..

House of Blues is gonna be smokin on the 4th....

>damn I sure hated having to watch through that awards show
>until he performed....that was torture....lol.
>
>I actually like Sugar Daddy better hearing it clear like this
>than I did when I heard it before..
>
>House of Blues is gonna be smokin on the 4th....
>

ain't my shit....

I fukk with live music.... live singing.... the gospel sets they have on their are tight.... the classic artists..... the tributes and the like..

but all that adds up to about 15-20 minutes of a 3 house brodcast...

all that other clown shit ... I'll pass...

you wanna hear the songs turn on the radio......if you want more to the story bookmark Mediatakeout or Bossip....

other than that no need to fukks wit it.

>ain't my shit....
>
>I fukk with live music.... live singing.... the gospel sets
>they have on their are tight.... the classic artists..... the
>tributes and the like..
>
>but all that adds up to about 15-20 minutes of a 3 house
>brodcast...
>
>all that other clown shit ... I'll pass...
>
>you wanna hear the songs turn on the radio......if you want
>more to the story bookmark Mediatakeout or Bossip....
>
>other than that no need to fukks wit it.

stuck doing Romper Room Mumbling after pulling a Casper for over a decade.

that turkey been gone like a Sisqo solo career and comes back on BET having half the audience bugged out and the other half clapping because they can remember that far back, however that mess ain't getting no radio play.

D'angelo might get lucky and do hooks with omarion on Rick Ross tracks if he is lucky based on that mess he played.

"Sugar daddy"? turkey that is older than 8 track in your sound system.

ain't nobody trying to hear no George Jefferson party joints in 2012.

riding for lip SYNCING makes you sound even more stupid..

shhhhhhh

>riding for lip SYNCING makes you sound even more stupid..
>
>shhhhhhh

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

of acts performed live. Barry White is the main reason why they stopped allowing acts to perform live there, because he brought his whole love unlimited set up and that cost Don C and them a whole lot of money, etc.. yeah acts performed live on there, however it was cheaper to lip synch and folks cared about the hit anyways.

unless a Al Green, Tower of Power, barry WHite, Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson, Aretha Franklin, Stevie wonder turned it out then it was cool to lip synch it. nobody tripped either way

poor guy can't even mount a comeback without the nerd brigade wetting their pants. Untitled was def too predictable a choice, but no matter how much negativity he or we associate with it, it's a fucking great song. a tribute/homage/wateverthefuck, but great nonetheless.
Sugah Daddy is TIGHT.
not revolutionary, not rewriting the annals of funkdom, it's.just.tight. "pretty good", even. stop frontin.

Af mentions his 'niche', which i agree was that 1st album sound (Angie's "Everyday" is another example of the 'atmospheric keys' sound he had). but i guess now "Voodoo" is his niche sound. he's still clearly enamoured with it. maybe it's got to do with not doing much since then, i dunno.
but i decided to make the decision NOT to cry foul if i get "Voodoo Pt. 2". cos a "Voodoo Pt. 2" would still cream so much other shit out today. specially watever new overly-praised piece of crap Kells has out this yr (he does shit JUST as corny, JUST as lounge lizard Vegas Act type, JUST as 'unoriginal' these days but gets a pass because he's R. Kelly, because he sung about closets. HIS bland shit is ok to praise, but D makes a slightly funky song, with real instruments, and holy shit he's the fucking antichrist).

"Write Me Back" is a fun record, but INESCAPABLY corny.
INESCAPABLY a retreaded rehash of things he's done before.
but it's cool cos it's him and we associate all things cornball with him now? i love both artists, but it makes zero sense no matter how u spin it, that Kelly should be so revered for doing HIS thing based on past music and not living up to the original sound while D does the same, but with a different genre, and gets righteously shitted on cos it's not stank enuf, not funky enuf, or HE'S not good enug to pull it off...like, MIND = BOGGLED over that one.

i'm not EVEN saying the detractors are wrong, the points against D were well made. but this is happening. nothing we do or say is gona stop it. if D doesn't get back up and out there NOW, he probly never will again. i feel like yous get WAY to deep into Ds every single fucking move, that u lose the ability to simply enjoy his new shit, no matter how similar it sounds like to stuff he's done before. i woulda thought he earned a right to slink comfortably back into the last artistic skin he wore before goin MIA. maybe that was the easiest way to come back for him. maybe we should all stop being such judgmental fucks and let a dude sing.

yikes @ this poast.
i mean i love okp, and most okps, but...pull the finger out ur buttholes and ENJOY this moment if u call urself any kind of a D'Angelo fan.

V.

>Sugah Daddy is TIGHT.
>not revolutionary, not rewriting the annals of funkdom,
>it's.just.tight. "pretty good", even. stop frontin.

I mean, unless you are using "tight" in the slang sense, like "dope" and "fresh"... "Suga Daddy" is actually pretty "watery" musically.

Of course, if you like it you like it. Nothing wrong with that at all.

im not taking jabs at anyone btw, i simply yearn for 'D stan' and 'D critic' to come together in mumbly harmony and enjoy the fact that there is still a D'Angelo in the world performing and releasing new music (instead of dead in the fucking gutter or trapped under an SUV sumwhere). no one is inflating his new tracks but the ppl arguing it's not real FUNK. well then it's "D-Funk". even if shit's funk lite at best, it's fresh. goin by that Kells comparison, again, if Kells can get credit for his work over the last few years, i don't see how a track as simple and fun as Sugah Daddy can be so offensive.

V.

To me, all this D'Angelo chatter is just fun and games. Ain't nothing too serious, though it is funny to me how personally the D'fenders take the whole thing. Just makes it more amusing to rile 'em up, y'know.

But I ain't mad at anybody for liking the shit they like, even if I'm not feeling it. Except of course when they get fucking overbearing and self-righteous with it.

>im not taking jabs at anyone btw, i simply yearn for 'D stan'
>and 'D critic' to come together in mumbly harmony and enjoy
>the fact that there is still a D'Angelo in the world
>performing and releasing new music

Let's not jump to conclusions on the "releasing music" part just yet though! lol

>. goin by that Kells comparison, again, if
>Kells can get credit for his work over the last few years, i
>don't see how a track as simple and fun as Sugah Daddy can be
>so offensive.

Because when you fake the funk, your nose gon' grow?

there opinion/criticism matters when it comes judging artists and their music...

D'angelo will be just fine. Ppl forget that when he 1st came on the scene, he wasn't hailed as a great LIVE performer, in fact, he was roundly criticized for not doing much more than just sitting at his piano. He quickly, improved however as a live performer by the time he was ready to tour for 'Voodoo' but seeing as though he hasn't performed in over a decade, I wasn't expecting an earth shattering performance on a BET awards show.

^^^excellent post


>poor guy can't even mount a comeback without the nerd brigade
>wetting their pants. Untitled was def too predictable a
>choice, but no matter how much negativity he or we associate
>with it, it's a fucking great song. a
>tribute/homage/wateverthefuck, but great nonetheless.
>Sugah Daddy is TIGHT.
>not revolutionary, not rewriting the annals of funkdom,
>it's.just.tight. "pretty good", even. stop frontin.
>
>Af mentions his 'niche', which i agree was that 1st album
>sound (Angie's "Everyday" is another example of the
>'atmospheric keys' sound he had). but i guess now "Voodoo" is
>his niche sound. he's still clearly enamoured with it. maybe
>it's got to do with not doing much since then, i dunno.
>but i decided to make the decision NOT to cry foul if i get
>"Voodoo Pt. 2". cos a "Voodoo Pt. 2" would still cream so much
>other shit out today. specially watever new overly-praised
>piece of crap Kells has out this yr (he does shit JUST as
>corny, JUST as lounge lizard Vegas Act type, JUST as
>'unoriginal' these days but gets a pass because he's R. Kelly,
>because he sung about closets. HIS bland shit is ok to praise,
>but D makes a slightly funky song, with real instruments, and
>holy shit he's the fucking antichrist).
>
>"Write Me Back" is a fun record, but INESCAPABLY corny.
>INESCAPABLY a retreaded rehash of things he's done before.
>but it's cool cos it's him and we associate all things
>cornball with him now? i love both artists, but it makes zero
>sense no matter how u spin it, that Kelly should be so revered
>for doing HIS thing based on past music and not living up to
>the original sound while D does the same, but with a different
>genre, and gets righteously shitted on cos it's not stank
>enuf, not funky enuf, or HE'S not good enug to pull it
>off...like, MIND = BOGGLED over that one.
>
>i'm not EVEN saying the detractors are wrong, the points
>against D were well made. but this is happening. nothing we do
>or say is gona stop it. if D doesn't get back up and out there
>NOW, he probly never will again. i feel like yous get WAY to
>deep into Ds every single fucking move, that u lose the
>ability to simply enjoy his new shit, no matter how similar it
>sounds like to stuff he's done before. i woulda thought he
>earned a right to slink comfortably back into the last
>artistic skin he wore before goin MIA. maybe that was the
>easiest way to come back for him. maybe we should all stop
>being such judgmental fucks and let a dude sing.
>
>yikes @ this poast.
>i mean i love okp, and most okps, but...pull the finger out ur
>buttholes and ENJOY this moment if u call urself any kind of a
>D'Angelo fan.
>
>V.

>there opinion/criticism matters when it comes judging artists
>and their music...

It's funny the way that when someone says something that you don't agree with, their "negative" opinion/criticism "doesn't matter."

Fine... I can accept that. But you immediately follow it up with an opinion defending D'Angelo. What makes your "positive" opinion matter any more than someone who has a "negative" one?

If none of our opinons matter, then none of this matters... and we're all just a bunch of asshole shooting empty bytes online.

I can live with that. But let's be real with this shit. That's a fallacious argument.

you and Mistermaxx are the worse posters on this board when it comes to critiguing/evaluating/judging certain artists, its no coincidence you co-sign anything he says. That mofo act like its his personal mission on this board to convince ppl that R Kelly is a better artist than D'angelo which reveals that deep down he knows otherwise.

You, on the other hand, invariably chime in w/your incessant negative comments when it comes to D'angelo and more than half the time what you're saying makes absolutely no sense whatsover.


>It's funny the way that when someone says something that you
>don't agree with, their "negative" opinion/criticism "doesn't
>matter."

for the record, I made only one comment in this post heretofore and that was to co-sign the one poster who understands what it means to appreciate artists as they are and what they offer artistically instead of judging them according to our expectations of what we think they should be. And for the record, I never gave my opinion so me saying what I said has nothing at all to do w/you or anyone agreeing w/me. I just know that there's something wrong when ppl, specifically on this board, feel the need to be a overly critical of certain artists as if that makes them feel better abt themselves. There was a blues singer from the group, "Electric Mud," who said that music critics (or those who think they know music) are nothing but the ppl who crucified Jesus reincarnated lol.


>
>Fine... I can accept that. But you immediately follow it up
>with an opinion defending D'Angelo. What makes your "positive"
>opinion matter any more than someone who has a "negative"
>one?

I didn't give an opinion, I gave you FACTS. He initially wasn't considered a great live performer and he did improve and became a better frontman as he became more seasoned. I said nothing abt his performance last night, I simply read the comments in this post and agree w/someone who watched the performance and judged it for what it was, period....you in here talking abt "it doesn't compare to the old funk sound" yada yada yada...Maxx as usual brings up R Kelly to shit on D'angelo when no one even draws comparisons btw the two artists.
>
>If none of our opinons matter, then none of this matters...
>and we're all just a bunch of asshole shooting empty bytes
>online.

^base, now you're gettin it...our opinions DON'T matter which is why I find it amusing that you and others take yourself waaaaay too seriously. This board is like a universe unto itself, and last night is a clear indication of that: if you didn't see his performance last nite, and looked to this board to get some info on the performance you'd think it was the worse performance ever on an awards show...but then you read go on various websites talking abt the his performance and the sentiment is compleletly different, most comments I've read thought it was very good to solid.

>I didn't give an opinion, I gave you FACTS. He initially
>wasn't considered a great live performer and he did improve
>and became a better frontman as he became more seasoned.

^ that's all opinion, homeboy.

but, continue.

widely known which is exactly why by the time 'Voodoo' came out he completely changed up live show and was more outfront instead of sitting at his fender rhodes piano because he even said he wasn't completely comfortable when he 1st started doing shows and that you could sense that when you saw him perform 'Brown Sugar.' There was marked difference in his live shows from 'Brown Sugar' to 'Voodoo.'

he simply wasn't a great live performer earlier on, and while you can say its just an opinion, it was a widely held one which caused him to change up his live shows...


>>I didn't give an opinion, I gave you FACTS. He initially
>>wasn't considered a great live performer and he did improve
>>and became a better frontman as he became more seasoned.
>
>^ that's all opinion, homeboy.
>
>but, continue.

the fact is that was a widely held opinion, sure. but the opinion itself is not a fact.

but, go on.

that only I was saying

but

something many ppl believed in regards to his live shows.


>the fact is that was a widely held opinion, sure. but the
>opinion itself is not a fact.
>
>but, go on.

So again... where does that leave us?

My opinion vs. yours... which one is better?

-------------------------
“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

you can't come out screaming and calling out hit me on the one and the 22 and all busted sounding.

he ain't no front man and he ain't that interesting because basically he is doing what he would have been doing in 2002 and that ain't fresh in any time period.

And even if you move beyond this board, many "mainstream" critics have said the same, including someone as respected as Greg Tate.

The thing is (let's face) D'Angelo benefits from the general low standards of his times... even his supporters inadvertently admit that when they say stuff like "Well, who else among his peers is out there playing music live?"

And I give props for that. But the fact that you're one of the few playing live doesn't automatically make you great at it.

I saw him live this year, his voice is on point, he's pretty good on keys, he doesn't seem akward to me. Of course he cant pull off a big show with dancing, special effects and so on ... but he's good in his lane.

Just not "a compelling frontman," y'know?

See: that stuff below about him sort of looking like he's performing for himself.

he seems to be a lounge act on stage playing name that phase of said idol and time

mannerisms, props and the way he goes about things spells a good strong lounge act.

the myth tells me he is his own PT Barnum,however reality tells me he pulling a David Copa feel over turkeys

and his performance vs. the other non-tribute and non-gospel performance was a bit striking. he definitely turned it out.

and i hope somebody from RCA really did jack him backstage for an album-worth of those 30 tracks he's been working on.

put. the. shit. out. dude. stop. playin.

>and his performance vs. the other non-tribute and non-gospel
>performance was a bit striking. he definitely turned it out.
>
>
>and i hope somebody from RCA really did jack him backstage for
>an album-worth of those 30 tracks he's been working on.
>
>put. the. shit. out. dude. stop. playin.


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He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

R.I.P Jamie Hubley

I don't have very much words except, his performance was AWESOME :7 :7 :7 !!!!!!!!!!!


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http://www.bet.com/content/betcom/video/betawards/2012/performances/playlist.html#!BET-Awards-12-D-Angelo-s-Sexiest-Performance-Ever-

d's people (or someone) is ON IT. taking down links all over the place.

Still cracks me up how controversial d' is especially on okp.

It's as if he's living out his bedroom fantasies of being Prince circa Parade but instead of doing so in front of stuffed animals and G.I. Joe's he's actually on stage before hundreds of people. He's just not a very engaging showman or band lead. He doesn't have the personality of a Prince or a James or a George, and try as he may he just can't channel on stage what it is that made those dudes captivating. The '86 version of Prince that he seems to be in love with had learned by that point how to work a stage and engage the audience. D interacts with his bandmates more than he does the crowd. For the most part folks were just grooving to the music itself while D (inaudibly) riffed, screamed and threw out counts/hits. It felt like jam session/rehearsal on stage, which is cool, but it wont drum up interest in new material for folks who aren't already clamoring for it.

In that setting he should have just stripped in down, sat at a piano and sang. THAT is his strength. When El DeBarge and Maxwell were given the opportunity to "comeback" on the BET Awards they kept it simple and showcased what it is that makes them unique. Their voices. D should have done the same and saved the James Brown/Revolution Revue for the tour. But he's his own man and I believe he's doing what's in his heart to do so more power to him. It was good to see him up there and I do genuinely hope he releases a solid, successful album soon that thrusts him back into public view.

that is the most effective relationship between an artist and an audience...

artist does what THEY want to do for themselves....

audience has the choice to fukk with it or not...

that way empowers both sides...

or can channel what made them captivating? I'll wait.

-------------------------
“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Every artist has their influences but they shouldn't be THAT glaring and defining. After rushing through Untitled the rest of the set felt like a tribute band at work. What was unique and undeniably "d'angelo" about that performance? That's my point. Not the fact that he simply isn't as dynamic a showman as Prince, James or George. Him sitting at a piano and playing and singing may have been boring (to many) but at least it showcased his gift(s). But it seems he'd rather be a funk frontman than a plain ol' r&b/soul singer. Which is fine. I think the latter is more natural to him than the former though, and as a result he'll continue to do more channeling than simply being while on stage. But that's just my take. *shrug*

It's not as bad as Rahsaan (I love his live performance but he is in his own world) our other artsit but I see what you mean.

I guess a lot of y'all have problems with it. Oh well.

Maybe he didn't nail it to everyone's liking last night - that's cool.

He's back & performing. It's happening.

I'm taking it for what it is - I'm enjoying it.

LA and NO are gonna be on fire.

Keep pushing good brother - he's gonna be hot this year.

Oh and note to his staff: Bring Jess and Quest - and bingo.

Meshelle or Larry on bass if possible.

I told wifey to wear comfortable shoes because its gonna be one of those nights....lol.

nail a quick performance. Prince and James were the masters of that, other cats need to cook it up a bit before they get down.

You are not gonna get everything you want out of certain artists in that enviornment. I contend he should have skipped the BET awards.

House of Blues - LA
New Orleans - Essence Music Festival.

Gonna be hot, watch.

I mean it, bring Jess amd Meshelle.

>nail a quick performance. Prince and James were the masters
>of that, other cats need to cook it up a bit before they get
>down.

Musicians--of all genres--been "nailing quick performances" for eons.

The punks delivered electrifying performances that were less than two minutes long. Straight to the point, hit the ground running and fuck that flimflam.

There were some artists who just didn't shine in that quick format, was better to catch them live. To enjoy the full show.

He has before, and it's not like his performance was bad - it was solid.

I'm not looking for a life altering moment - just enjoying the music.

Prince on Letterman in say 93 may not have been Prince on the Grammy's in 85. Even then in 85 I recall him smacking himself in the face with the mic on the Grammy's. Had OKP been around - smh.

Again - House of Blues and Essence Festival.

I'm rooting for him.

the lengths some people will go to cop pleas, man.

Just say D had a bad night, a mediocre set... It happens to the best of them (and to the worst)... but now we're going rewrite reality to somehow argue that master musicians are unable to cook in a 4-5 minute set?

Look... I can *almost* understand that if you're Sigur Ros or Fela Kuti whose compositions are usually long-form, slow-building suites. But D's average recorded tracks are like 5-7 minutes long, and you're saying it's hard for him to reproduce them live?

0_o

Beyond that I'm looking for him to get down in LA... New Orleans.

I'm waiting on that - never the BET Awards.

Not really much more to it.

>the lengths some people will go to cop pleas, man.
>
>Just say D had a bad night, a mediocre set... It happens to
>the best of them (and to the worst)... but now we're going
>rewrite reality to somehow argue that master musicians are
>unable to cook in a 4-5 minute set?
>
>Look... I can *almost* understand that if you're Sigur Ros or
>Fela Kuti whose compositions are usually long-form,
>slow-building suites. But D's average recorded tracks are like
>5-7 minutes long, and you're saying it's hard for him to
>reproduce them live?



you went to the length of scouring the twitter tweets of adoloscents for unfavorable remarks about D'Angelo so you could run back to a message board and diss the guy ..... at like 1AM your time and you're 40 years old doing that shit...lolol.

you corny my nigga....lol.

>you went to the length of scouring the twitter tweets of
>adoloscents for unfavorable remarks about D'Angelo so you
>could run back to a message board and diss the guy ..... at
>like 1AM your time and you're 40 years old doing that
>shit...lolol.
>
>you corny my nigga....lol.

D'angelo fucked his mama,slapped the schitt outta her, and burned they house down,you ain't know?

nigga got a Lex Luthor hard-on for a nigga he's clearly jealous of.

A 10+ year mancrush
Mistermaxxx?
Tim the Creator?

LOL

s.blak
That African Motherfucker Is A Nigga Now...Hundilasiliah!!!!

not one D'angelo google alert on my computer,Stanley L. Luthor

s.blak
sucks to be you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqT0TWMeb54

-------------------------
“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

I thought it was a cheap and irrelevant personal jab... How does it actually address any point that's been made?

Please answer AlBundy... I really want to know.

(though I know better… but I'd rather just put an end to that particular talking point and there's an interesting point to be made here too)

So… someone pointed out that I am a 40 year-old loser staying up till 1 am to scour Twitter for negative comments about D'Angelo so I can diss him on OKP and BOOM! I'm ethered LOLz

This is the kind of idiotic, middle school-level commentary that has come to characterize these discussions.

For one thing, if the person who made that comment was not an out-of-touch geezer himself, he'd understand the concept of Twitter timelines and trending topics, and know that one doesn't have to "scour" Twitter to see what folks are saying about D'Angelo. If a person is watching the BET Awards with one eye on Twitter for the yuks (which has become the widely-accepted way to watch the show) , then they'd see quite easily what people are saying.

But for the record (and not that it's really anybody's business), I happen to work as a media analyst with a tech company that calculates TV ratings, audience demographics, viewer sentiment and a bunch of other metrics based on impressions recorded from a host of social media.

So yes… I *was* up until 2am on Sunday watching the BET Awards, the Awards After-Party and the Sunday Best season 5 preview after it and sampling a wide range of reactions on Twitter and other networks… and racking up billable hours for it.

I just stated observed mathematical data. As far as social media chatter is concerned, the response to D's performance was lukewarm at best:

http://i47.tinypic.com/10s5edz.png

(I didn't create the above graphic, btw… lest someone should allege that I doctored the data to reflect my own "hateristic" perspective)

But my question is: Why the fuck is that even relevant? And why is it so personal with some of you? Why is it that when I say something about D'Angelo's music that maybe some people don't like, they decide that the reasonable response is not to address the criticism itself but to make it about ME and the presumed inadequacies and failures of MY life?

I really don't get how you can criticize an artist's music and the fans act like you done hocked a loogie on they mama AND grandmama?

And it's not even that I said D'Angelo sucks or the people who like him are dumb. In this post, I have said several times: "If people like it, they like it… No hate. But IN MY OPINION…"

In this very post, I have praised D'Angelo.

- I said he will probably sell a ton if he can get that album out in a timely manner
- I commended him for some things I think he does very well (melodic tunes and ballads)
- I said there have been some things he's done that are very original (the general aesthetic of Brown Sugar)
- I expressed admiration for some of his new material ("Another Life," "The Charade")

However, I also said that "Sugah Daddy" is not funky, and I find most of D's attempts to play Funk to be stiff, tepid and anemic. Also, I don't think he is a compelling frontman.

And that's enough provocation for the New D'Fenders to pull out the daggers and go for the jugular.

The point being made here: When I say that this shit starts to look like a religion with some people, they'll say I'm exaggerating people's response.



And I know one person in particular is about to reply to this, saying that I'm crying because I can't take the heat… No, I'm actually laughing at how serious this shit is for some people. You'd think the lives of their children depended upon D'Angelo's success/popularity

Carry on, though!

>But for the record (and not that it's really anybody's
>business), I happen to work as a media analyst with a tech
>company that calculates TV ratings, audience demographics,
>viewer sentiment and a bunch of other metrics based on
>impressions recorded from a host of social media.
>
>So yes… I *was* up until 2am on Sunday watching the BET
>Awards, the Awards After-Party and the Sunday Best season 5
>preview after it and sampling a wide range of reactions on
>Twitter and other networks… and racking up billable hours for
>it.
>
>I just stated observed mathematical data. As far as social
>media chatter is concerned, the response to D's performance
>was lukewarm at best:
>
>http://i47.tinypic.com/10s5edz.png


nigga you wasn't stating no mathmatical data ....


"It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie listen to..."

and then you got all the 35-and-ups mad at the kids for not knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing down the culture, etc.

But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that these people don't know D?"


That's your quote..... Where does that graph back up that statement?


You come in here honestly like a littel hatin ass middle school girl then when I pull your card on it, you want to act like you were doing your job...

lol..

>But my question is: Why the fuck is that even relevant? And
>why is it so personal with some of you? Why is it that when I
>say something about D'Angelo's music that maybe some people
>don't like, they decide that the reasonable response is not to
>address the criticism itself but to make it about ME and the
>presumed inadequacies and failures of MY life?
>

it's not relevant....nothing you say about this topic is relevant. You seem obsessed with dissing D'Angelo and get super sensative when someone expresses anything but disdain for him. There is an element of "anger" you express towards people who don't share your point of view on the issue.

You just look like a weirdo...seriously. I mean honestly if you feel comfortable being on a whoo-ride mission in a post with maxx and that tim the creator clown...that's on you. But all I can tell you is that you look like a hatin ass super sensative weirdo doing it.

People like it...and you don't. Get over the shit and move the fukk on.

>nigga you wasn't stating no mathmatical data ....
>
>"It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You
>got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass
>crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie
>listen to..."
>
>and then you got all the 35-and-ups mad at the kids for not
>knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing
>down the culture, etc.
>
>But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that these
>people don't know D?"
>
>
>That's your quote..... Where does that graph back up that
>statement?

Well, there was no graph yet obviously, because the data had not yet finished compiling for the night.

But let me show you the EXACT Tweet I was looking at when I made that statement (It's actually from respected music writer Amy Linden):

https://twitter.com/notfornothin59/status/219605216138510337

And yeah, I asked: Why are you gonna blame BET for making kids not know who D'Angelo is? Most of the BET's audience was probably between the ages of 4 and 9 last time he released any music. If he had been putting out music over the past decade, I'm sure BET would have played it. So yes, that IS his own fault.


>it's not relevant....nothing you say about this topic is
>relevant. You seem obsessed with dissing D'Angelo and get
>super sensative when someone expresses anything but disdain
>for him. There is an element of "anger" you express towards
>people who don't share your point of view on the issue.

Okay, guy (c) SoWhat

>You just look like a weirdo...seriously. I mean honestly if
>you feel comfortable being on a whoo-ride mission in a post
>with maxx and that tim the creator clown...that's on you. But
>all I can tell you is that you look like a hatin ass super
>sensative weirdo doing it.

I'm not on a mission with anybody. maxxx and LittleX have their own points of view that they're expressing and I have my own. And none of us are really making the same argument.

But of course, to the D faithful it's always an issue of "If you're not for us, you're against us." Anybody with the slightest dissenting view becomes part of the amorphous Enemy.

>People like it...and you don't. Get over the shit and move the
>fukk on.

I've said that a bunch of times. If you like it, you like it. I have no problem with that... But why do you get so insecure when someone else says they *don't* like it?

>>nigga you wasn't stating no mathmatical data ....
>>
>>"It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You
>>got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass
>>crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie
>>listen to..."
>>
>>and then you got all the 35-and-ups mad at the kids for not
>>knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing
>>down the culture, etc.
>>
>>But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that
>these
>>people don't know D?"
>>
>>
>>That's your quote..... Where does that graph back up that
>>statement?
>
>Well, there was no graph yet obviously, because the data had
>not yet finished compiling for the night.
>
>But let me show you the EXACT Tweet I was looking at when I
>made that statement (It's actually from respected music writer
>Amy Linden):
>
>https://twitter.com/notfornothin59/status/219605216138510337

"I think the BET audience has been so dumbed down they really didn't know who d'angelo was! Only folks over 35 were checking for him"

So you read that tweet..then posted this...

"It's funny watching the reactions on Twitter, though... You got all the kids going like "Who the f**k is this old-ass crackhead-lookin n***a? This sound like the music my auntie listen to..."

and then you got all the 35-and-ups mad at the kids for not knowing (or caring) who D'Angelo is, blaming BET for dumbing down the culture, etc.

But seriously... Is it the fault of the kids or BET that these people don't know D?"


Wow....

this is a prime example of what I've been saying for years..

YOU MAKE SHIT UP....

You read someone elses tweet, then ran to Okayplayer claiming that YOU were peeping "twitter reactions" ...then going on to just make up quotes about crackheads and auntie's music..

all that shit was just made up...

(a tweet by the way that speaks to the dumbed down BET audience.... then you twist it to where that dumbed downed audience is hip and doesn't care who d'angelo is)

you asked why people are questioning why your opinions about D'Angelo speak to some inadequecy in your life...That's why..

honestly who does that??

it just seems super weird..

Read what someone else says...then run to a message board to misrepresent, make shit up, exaggerate and lie..

wow...

it's almost sad really....

you really need to look at yourself dude and ask why is this shit so important to you where you would do funny style shit like that.

it's not age appropriate for you at all...


this pretty much proves what I've been saying for years. The root of the so-called beef on the lesson is that you are just a very dishonest dude and lack the intellectual honesty and character to have reasonable mature debates with Warren Coolidge...
>

>Wow....
>
>this is a prime example of what I've been saying for years..
>
>YOU MAKE SHIT UP....
>
>You read someone elses tweet, then ran to Okayplayer claiming
>that YOU were peeping "twitter reactions" ...then going on to
>just make up quotes about crackheads and auntie's music..
>
>all that shit was just made up...

Did you read the tweet I linked?

My statement echoed Amy's quote almost word-for-word. So, uh... where is part that I'm supposed to have made up?

Or are you talking about the part where I said young people were saying "Who the f**k is this crackhead-looking n***a?"

Dude, I read literally THOUSANDS of tweets when I analyze a live television event. Do you think that the fact that I cited Amy's tweet as the one that was in front of me when I was posting and hence influenced my wording... that that was the ONLY tweet I read that night?

Look... I;m not gonna argue with you about some retarded BS like this. Why don't you go to Twitter and search for "D'Angelo" and "#BETawards"... You'll probably find a tweet worded almost exactly as I said. And you will also find many young (and old) people asking why they should care about D while some other (old) people shake their fists and curse at them for not being enraptured by The Soul Messiah.

>you asked why people are questioning why your opinions about
>D'Angelo speak to some inadequecy in your life...That's why..
>
>honestly who does that??
>
>it just seems super weird..
>
>Read what someone else says...then run to a message board to
>misrepresent, make shit up, exaggerate and lie..
>
>wow...
>
>it's almost sad really....
>
>you really need to look at yourself dude and ask why is this
>shit so important to you where you would do funny style shit
>like that.
>
>it's not age appropriate for you at all...

LOL look at you working yourself into a sermon over some nonsense that anybody with eyes and a working brain can see is a figment of your imagination.

>this pretty much proves what I've been saying for years. The
>root of the so-called beef on the lesson is that you are just
>a very dishonest dude and lack the intellectual honesty and
>character to have reasonable mature debates with Warren
>Coolidge...

Yeah... That's GOT to be it.

You got it all figured out, chief!

(I think a more relevant psychological question would be why it's never enough for your to disagree with me... You always have to reassure yourself that you are my intellectual superior. Not sure why you're so obsessed with that)

(and you're not, by the way)

but let me just indulge you and dead your argument so you can look for another fake angle to come at me:

https://twitter.com/ThelIluminati/status/219602377630679041
https://twitter.com/SuperStarBlaze/status/219602365811146752
https://twitter.com/BeverlyGotBack_/status/219601566947217408
https://twitter.com/CJ_theMaverick/status/219601684937179137
https://twitter.com/Bksfocused1/status/219622629085167616
https://twitter.com/timah1/status/219602277881753600
https://twitter.com/rebellefleau/status/219600999667613698
https://twitter.com/NTcaptnsave_em/status/219571545171968001
https://twitter.com/Aerial_KAY/status/219601824292945920
https://twitter.com/__cartelli103/status/219602013808377858
https://twitter.com/TLO_Gotti/status/219575403432517632
https://twitter.com/_gemmmmm/status/219811773669310464
https://twitter.com/itsfuckingebbs/status/219601834795483138
https://twitter.com/PrettyAssLexx_/status/219602343463878659
https://twitter.com/ShePrettyAfDoe/status/219603226960474115
https://twitter.com/EJONES_MUSIC/status/219579222467936256

MInd you, this random sampling of tweets was retrieved in under a minute by a simple Twitter search… Not even using the complex aggregation application I use for work. Some of these are tweets I read that night and you can even clearly see where they influenced my wording.

So again… Tell me what part I made up?

LOL

LOL

I'm not jumping in - or taking sides - but I guess everyone is wondering where is this leading?

I finally watched the performance and he sounded great. The song selection wasn't. Although I enjoyed Sugar Daddy - it sounded good, fuck a BET audience. I had no prior expectation of a funk record so I wasn't disappointed.

D'angelo was for another generation. He didn't make the most of his time. We get it. Why beat up on him? I think personally the myth has been busted - what's the point of all this?

At the end of the day all he did was come out and play two songs - he didn't say "here is my new funk classic" so even that argument really doesn't make sense. The man has a boatload of fans even if the youth aren't familiar. So...? *shrugs*
man ya'll been going at it since it went off the air. lol.

So that about sums it up right?

Coo - let us move on. Please.

LA.
New Orleans.

Gonna be hot that's all I'm saying.

The point is that Coolidge pointed to a quote I made that summarized some of the Twitter reactions to D'Angelo's performance and claimed that I fabricated it.

So I linked up several examples to show that this is indeed something that a lot of people on Twitter said.

Like - I would understand if the myth of debunking D'angelo was a new concept around here but it's something I think everyone pretty much understands. What makes this topic so rewarding?

Not to mention this may be the wrong venue - lol.

Sidebar: That Shuggie joint is bangin.

huh?

the point here is music discussion. music is being discussed.

it's already there.

of adolescent kids and ran back to Okayplayer to use that as ammo to continue your dellusional mission...

that's what I said from the jump....


You a phoney my man...

But for the record (and not that it's really anybody's business), >>I happen to work as a media analyst with a tech company that calculates TV ratings, audience demographics, viewer sentiment and a bunch of other metrics based on impressions recorded from a host of social media.<<

So yes… I *was* up until 2am on Sunday watching the BET Awards, the Awards After-Party and the Sunday Best season 5 preview after it and sampling a wide range of reactions on Twitter and other networks… and racking up billable hours for it.

...he's already said why he was on the Twitter during the show. it's his job. you gotta address that part or else he'll keep wiping the floor w/you on this.

continue.

the fact that he's claiming that to be part of his job only makes what I'm saying even more factual...

***shrug***

the fact that he's claiming that to be part of his job only makes what I'm saying even more factual...

***shrug***

okay.

for all I know dude could be a homeless dude posting on a bootleg blackberry using the wi-fi of the starbucks he's sitting behind...

I'm here to talk about music.... all this other extras type shit is ignorant as fukk....


dude puts too much on people who simply have a different opinion about music..

why so much time and energy??

it's weird and foolish...

that's the bottom line.

Next time keep your fucking mouth shut when it comes to discussing shit that's above your understanding.

And don't try to fall back on the "I'm here to talk about music" excuse because I was TRYING to talk about music when you decided to start throwing personal remarks.

your reactions to other people's opinions is embarrasing and strange.


whether or not you are doing something for your job..... you're still running to the Lesson to give people the 411 on what teenagers are saying on the cutting edge because it supports point of view...

THAT SHIT IS FUNNY STYLE!!!!!


LOL...


dude that's all I'm saying....and I ain't the only one in this thread saying it...

it's strange partner....

>dude that's all I'm saying....and I ain't the only one in this
>thread saying it...

because the reaction out in the audience was priceless, i saw some faces looking like who let buckweat out of the funny farm to scream and holler at me for 10 minutes?

how does that feel?

camera man got some folks feeling it and the other have looking like they were at a Ex lax convention.

now maxx is walking to the closet....

now maxx is opening the closet....



lolol.

they got a has been role all linned up and he would fit the part.

they say He is a Myth, a Myth,Myth because it takes him 20 years to record a song, a song, a song and he wants to be somebody but himself, himself, himself

and this turkey singing about a Sugar daddy?? now that is too funny

>because the reaction out in the audience was priceless, i
>saw some faces looking like who let buckweat out of the funny
>farm to scream and holler at me for 10 minutes?
>
>how does that feel?
>
>camera man got some folks feeling it and the other have
>looking like they were at a Ex lax convention.

.

that certainly wasnt a bad night LMAO

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Not fare to D'angelo.


>There were some artists who just didn't shine in that quick
>format, was better to catch them live. To enjoy the full
>show.
>
>He has before, and it's not like his performance was bad - it
>was solid.
>
>I'm not looking for a life altering moment - just enjoying the
>music.
>
>Prince on Letterman in say 93 may not have been Prince on the
>Grammy's in 85. Even then in 85 I recall him smacking himself
>in the face with the mic on the Grammy's. Had OKP been around
>- smh.
>
>Again - House of Blues and Essence Festival.
>
>I'm rooting for him.

clearly pointing out is that even though Prince went on to rock - it was an awkward moment from him. Had that happened during the internet era that would have been all kinds of talk - "Prince hit himself in the face w a mic". Wasn't comparing anyone to anyone really.

**shrug** Thought it was a solid performance..... I'm pretty sure he would have chosen another song to do besides untitled.....but being away for 12 years and being at the bet awards he was kind of bound to do that song....

Sugar Daddy was funky....and if his album was released it would have gotten more of a reaction from that audience..... that's the problem with performing a new song nobody's heard in front of that type of audience and you've been away for over a decade. I remember people looking board to tears when El Debarge sang that jeniffer huson sounding ballad he did during his comeback performance...nobody had ever heard that shit...


Plus overall...as much as some of these lesson haters want to limit D'Angelo's appeal to females....I'll repeat again....THAT IS NOT HIS CORE AUDIENCE ..... some poster said they heard some broads saying "I can't wait for untitled 2.0" ..... that's not D'Angelo's core audience..... The superjam at Bonnaroo proved that...D'Angelo's core audience is about music...they are about funky music ....and brining it live on stage raw. And that is NOT what the BET awards are about....sure Beyonce was into the performance....but I mean that's your #1 Black female music star and she's mouthing the lyrics to I be's in the trap.....lol... no B you don't be in the trap....Minaj don't be in them shits neither.....females get rapped and killed in the trap you dumb b*tch....lol.

come on man....that crowd at the BET awards are some cartoon characters auditioning for reality shows doing music as a means to that end....

watch how he rocks Essence....people are there for MUSIC.....

Performed and that was that.

It was the BET awards. Where grown men in R&B are now dressing like Willow Smith did two years ago.

LA and the NO.

Gonna be hot.

lol..

wow...

looking like a bum that sit on the corner of a chicken joint



>Performed and that was that.
>
>It was the BET awards. Where grown men in R&B are now
>dressing like Willow Smith did two years ago.
>
>LA and the NO.
>
>Gonna be hot.

>Plus overall...as much as some of these lesson haters want to
>limit D'Angelo's appeal to females....I'll repeat
>again....THAT IS NOT HIS CORE AUDIENCE ..... some poster said
>they heard some broads saying "I can't wait for untitled 2.0"
>..... that's not D'Angelo's core audience..... The superjam at
>Bonnaroo proved that...D'Angelo's core audience is about
>music...they are about funky music ....and brining it live on
>stage raw.

Did they buy Bonnaroo tickets to see D'Angelo specifically?

Hmmmm...?


>Beyonce was into the performance....but I mean
>that's your #1 Black female music star and she's mouthing the
>lyrics to I be's in the trap.....lol... no B you don't be in
>the trap....Minaj don't be in them shits neither.....females
>get rapped and killed in the trap you dumb b*tch....lol.

Not sure whether you're referring to Beyonce or Nicki Minaj as a bitch, but it's quite interesting that you feel so comfortable disrespecting women in that way considering the fact that you have spent exactly 10 years harping on an incident in which I *allegedly* called Lauryn Hill a bitch.

>>Plus overall...as much as some of these lesson haters want
>to
>>limit D'Angelo's appeal to females....I'll repeat
>>again....THAT IS NOT HIS CORE AUDIENCE ..... some poster
>said
>>they heard some broads saying "I can't wait for untitled
>2.0"
>>..... that's not D'Angelo's core audience..... The superjam
>at
>>Bonnaroo proved that...D'Angelo's core audience is about
>>music...they are about funky music ....and brining it live
>on
>>stage raw.
>
>Did they buy Bonnaroo tickets to see D'Angelo specifically?
>
>Hmmmm...?

I'm talking about people are about music.... people who are attending something to see/hear music being performed live....Not a group of people who are someone for themselves to be seen, or to see lip syncing type of performances.

People's REACTION to D's performance at the Bonnaroo shows that D'Angelo appeals more to people who are about seeing/hearing music performed live on stage in that manner..

same goes for those who came out to see him in Europe.... same goes for those of us who will be at the House of blues on Wednesday night.





>
>
>>Beyonce was into the performance....but I mean
>>that's your #1 Black female music star and she's mouthing
>the
>>lyrics to I be's in the trap.....lol... no B you don't be in
>>the trap....Minaj don't be in them shits neither.....females
>>get rapped and killed in the trap you dumb b*tch....lol.
>
>Not sure whether you're referring to Beyonce or Nicki Minaj as
>a bitch, but it's quite interesting that you feel so
>comfortable disrespecting women in that way considering the
>fact that you have spent exactly 10 years harping on an
>incident in which I *allegedly* called Lauryn Hill a bitch.


lol...I see you still running away from your own words.... "allegedly"...lolol.. Hard for me to respect someone who doesn't stand by what they say....

>

but using Bonnaroo as an argument to prove that D's main audience is not thirsty females flops terribly. Because if it had been pre-advertised that D'Angelo was performing at the concert, there's the possibility that the audience composition might have ended up being different.

So try again.


>lol...I see you still running away from your own words....
>"allegedly"...lolol.. Hard for me to respect someone who
>doesn't stand by what they say....

I know very well what I said. And it's not that you claim that I said.

Meanwhile, are you gonna address why you found it fit to call Beyonce and/or Nicki Minaj a stupid bitch because they sing "Beez in the Trap"? (As if D doesn't have his share of dumb/nonsensical/simpleminded lyrics...)

>**shrug** Thought it was a solid performance..... I'm pretty
>sure he would have chosen another song to do besides
>untitled.....but being away for 12 years and being at the bet
>awards he was kind of bound to do that song....


folk only know him for the video Untitled, more so then anything he has or will ever do


>Sugar Daddy was funky....and if his album was released it
>would have gotten more of a reaction from that audience.....
>that's the problem with performing a new song nobody's heard
>in front of that type of audience and you've been away for
>over a decade. I remember people looking board to tears when
>El Debarge sang that jeniffer huson sounding ballad he did
>during his comeback performance...nobody had ever heard that
>shit...

hey i heard he is also the next Frank Zappa


>Plus overall...as much as some of these lesson haters want to
>limit D'Angelo's appeal to females....I'll repeat
>again....THAT IS NOT HIS CORE AUDIENCE ..... some poster said
>they heard some broads saying "I can't wait for untitled 2.0"
>..... that's not D'Angelo's core audience.....

really, no untitled video = no audience period

The superjam at
>Bonnaroo proved that...D'Angelo's core audience is about
>music...they are about funky music ....and brining it live on
>stage raw. And that is NOT what the BET awards are
>about....


nothing was raw about Sugar daddy

sure Beyonce was into the performance....but I mean
>that's your #1 Black female music star and she's mouthing the
>lyrics to I be's in the trap.....lol... no B you don't be in
>the trap....Minaj don't be in them shits neither.....females
>get rapped and killed in the trap you dumb b*tch....lol.


So what.

>
>come on man....that crowd at the BET awards are some cartoon
>characters auditioning for reality shows doing music as a
>means to that end....

and the same can be said about D'angelo, a James Brown revue cartoon

>
>watch how he rocks Essence....people are there for MUSIC.....

a bunch of old dry mofos who aint got nothing else to do, but be bored listening to the same tired ass maze songs, with the same as tired played out folks playing that shit - of course he going to rock the Essence, who couldn't?

>
>

nor do I fukks with Madea...

ain't you that werido cat that jocks Prince???

you a clown man...

don't go there because EL is a Great Artist with money tracks and a true showman, he could school D'angelo on how to perform on a stage and also grooving and bringing the ground into it.

Mumblo still scurred.

You are one funny motherfucker man.

I don't see what was so bad about D'Angelo's performance....I don't get the dissections of a funk song...

It was a "good" performance that stuck out like a sore thumb on a show that had the man working his finger on the obscenity button...

Don't get it....

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2715469&mesg_id=2715469&page=#2715668

I’m really diggin’ that "Sugar Daddy" track. That was hell of a jam session at the BET Awards 2012.

Hopefully we get the new album before the end of the year.

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um...

I hear the fans reacting "enthusiasticlly" during numerous parts of the Sugar Daddy performance...

the break downs...

Pino's solo..

as if thats somehow not enough

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Again: AND...?

What point exactly is being made by bringing that up?

Voice was on point but Sugar Daddy don't work in a venue like that... truthfully the whole thing was rather dull.

The "idea" of D'Angelo remains superior to the reality
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Neither worked as far as a comeback performance
He should have done brown sugar
From the way it looked last night, my opinion of him not being able to survive in today's pop music climate still stands
Mofos don't care about no Dirty Mind, Zappa etc
It ain't gonna be shit unless he has a solid radio $ track
And Sugar Daddy was the best he had?

The hood and streets reaction to this has been lukewarm
El got a better reaction
Sheeeit even Maxwell's return was stronger

C+

turkey was fronting on a middle of the road cut like he had something.

don't be standing on no stage for 10 minutes with some dime store reject cut, because its not a good look at all.

it was boring and this turkey could have done the same exact thing back in 02-10 at that rate and graduated to sleepy time artist level

I'm interested in reading the captions on that!

and he still has to run after a long lasting myth that is neither genius nor Horror, however its middle of the road and it leaves one empty.

he has no tracks and has no direction and that kind of performance you can get at a local Jack in the Box drive thru with half off on a Bacon Shake or something. ain't nobody hardly feeling that mess.

>The "idea" of D'Angelo remains superior to the reality

It kinda pains me that I get painted as a "hater" who is just out the bash D... even in this post where I pointed out that I love his melodic material, where I praised Brown Sugar, "Another Life" and "The Charade."

People may say "If you don't like D, why do you keep talking about him?"

Because the disconnect between the *idea* of D and the *reality* of D is intriguing.

Because the gap between his aspirations and his achievements is stimulating, and opens the door to all kinds of discussion about music and mythology.

the paris show. i think with the ultra high-tech equipment at the awards show, made the song sound overdone.

imo, sugah daddy is definitely funky. props to isaiah sharkey for the
nice lil solo.


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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

found the solos to be pretty um dull also, not much personality
yeah, blame the equipment now.

>the paris show. i think with the ultra high-tech equipment
>at the awards show, made the song sound overdone.
>
>imo, sugah daddy is definitely funky. props to isaiah sharkey
>for the
>nice lil solo.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open
>your mouth and remove all doubt"

Finally got to see it, and i just don't know, i was JAMMIN. But that's me. i can see why someone was saying it was a bit too calm (even though it was funky) for the crowd. And perhaps the original and Minneapolis-sound-flipped Brown Sugar would have been more reactive to those bozos sitting in their seats like they got diarrhea. But to me it was funky enough that my body wanted to move, and i think that's what they were going for. And on top of that....cmon it's BET AWARDS; you really tryna impress mofos who've probably never seen ppl use these things called instruments on stage? i'm sure greats like Prince and Al Green were on some "i'm in and out" shyt when they were honored, ha.

Had the crowed jammin and Frankie Beverly barely had a voice. He gave the peole what they wanted plain and simple. I don't mind doing something different and going against the crowd but don't be stale and boring when you do it.

Frankie Beverly is real Soul, he makes D'angelo come off like a broke member of Dakota moon or a blessed unions of soul reject.

http://www.spin.com/articles/dangelo-returns-tv-throne-dominate-2012-bet-awards

http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/d-angelo-bet-awards.html

with that said. i agree with what some people said:
I personally think if he would've sat at the piano and did the 'd'melody' like the euro shows he would've kilt the show.
If he would've did "another life" babies would've been made.
hell if wanted to freak people out he could've did "1000 deaths"

make no mistake that he managed to steal headlines with kim k, kanye, beyonce, chris brown, etc. all in attendance. I'm looking forward to the album and the BET awards was NO ball drop, just the wrong song was picked to 'debut'

he is a prime time act for that show in a real,real way

LMMFAAAAOOOOOOOOO yaaaallllll are sooooo wronnngg and ruthless!!!!!

I think it was cool, I wish he would have sung the whole song (How Does It Feel) but he did a good job. Actually, I've been humming Sugar Daddy this morning (and I only heard it twice at BET and when I saw him live in Paris).

mp3 download: http://funkit.minus.com/mYF75dm9e/

cos the bunch of times i've seen him given the opportunity, the dude does jackshit with it...? there's a cat who i used to be in a band with who killd bass solos better than Pino. tis a bit of a shame.

V.

because I've been thinking a lot about why D's funk just always seems flat to me.

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to have the discussion, though... I don't think that sort of thing is tolerated amongst this bunch.

i remember it being brought up on here before, maybe by you i think. and i never really paid much attention to it cos Pino was always Pino, he'd always be holding it down. but after the BET performance, it's kinda hard to ignore anymore the fact that he's almost always buried in the background, never switches up his playing and can't really SOLO for shit. all of which does NOT belong in a (primarily) funk band. seems more like he's still on board cos he's part of the fam, rather than his valuable contribution to the wall of sound.

why not just get Raph Saadiq to play bass? dude has more style n flava than Pino by a longshot, n he's not even the first person sumone would think of to play bass in a funk band. but at least he knows how to groove and his chemistry with D has already been long solidified.

i feel the band can only be SO good when some of the key pieces aren't even bringin it. FUCK, why not even give Stu Zender a call? cat would KILL it.

V.

A very insightful friend of mine (who is also an OKP but no longer discusses this kind of stuff here due to the attacks of the D stains) recently told that D'Angelo's band plays Funk like "a group of Beta males."

I understood what he meant. Regardless of what your offstage personality might be, when you get on that stage or that studio to play Funk, you'd better find your inner Alpha and let your big hairy balls SWANG, y'know?

One of the things that makes Pino such a respected session man (especially among rock and pop acts) is the fact that he has solid chops, he anchors the music with a distinctive voice, and he never gets in the way.

He doesn't try to upstage anybody, he sits respectfully behind the groove and does his thing.

But in funk, the bass is actually kind of a LEAD VOICE, man. The bassist needs to show out a bit, make his presence known.

Pino's sound is very warm, soft and round. But you want your Funk bass to be a little sharper around the angles.

I know he's heavily influenced by Jamerson (the greatest bass guitarist of all time imho) and even though Jamerson usually had that kind of warm fullness to his voice, he still brought some THUD to it. And he knew how to work the angles:

Even Paul McCartney (another Jamerson apostle) gets funkier than Pino, I think. Though Pino might be a much better bassist than him. But Paul isn't scared to show his ass, so to speak.

Now, none of this directly answers why Pino seems not to shine on bass solos… but in way it does. His persona as a player is to really sit in the back and not hotdog. Which is admirable in a lot of musical contexts… but not when you're trying to do something funky.

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

>Even Paul McCartney (another Jamerson apostle) gets funkier
>than Pino, I think. Though Pino might be a much better bassist
>than him. But Paul isn't scared to show his ass, so to speak.

he is just that go-to, you-wouldn't-expect-it answer I'll always bring up in these discussions.

because when I hear those old Chicago records, I can't at all visualize even Long-Haired Pete getting down to that sound he plays on the bass

that is before he went the Phil Collins/Starship route with his

>that is before he went the Phil Collins/Starship route with
>his


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I'm excited at that.

The concert footage from earlier this year were way more important and fun just based on the fact that people actually seemed to care in the videos.

In the bet vid, you got beyonce hyped, and Kanye nodding next to a bizarre KimK. But my god, what a depressing vibe in that audience.

that part (the audience cut-to's) was tough to watch.

>In the bet vid, you got beyonce hyped, and Kanye nodding next
>to a bizarre KimK. But my god, what a depressing vibe in that
>audience.
>
>that part (the audience cut-to's) was tough to watch.

Because it seemed like people *wanted* to groove (Jamie Foxx, Spike Lee, etc) but that song ain't got no groove, sorry.

I know nobody wants to hear this, but I feel like talking about it, so just ignore my posts if necessary (and I apologize for responding directly to your post dgonsh)

Sugar Daddy is such a weird fucking "funk" song to me… I mean, maybe it's not supposed to BE "funk" at all. But it's obviously hoping to be "funky"

But the song is weak, man… It's built around something that sounds like a Bernie Worrell riff that P-Funk would probably relegate to half of a bridge (HALF, mind you… not the full bridge. And this is the song's main groove!)

And then, the arrangement… You get that same feeble riff played over and over again, occasionally modulated or extended. And what's the rest of the band doing?

The drummer is playing right along with the riff… thudding the bass drum on every beat, right ON the beat like it's a polka band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhUyM48yy7A

How fucking square is THAT?

The bassist is also playing the exact same riff like he's a rock & roll bassist, occasionally throwing in a tentative fill.

Where the fuck is the syncopation? That's the shit that makes Funk (and Jazz and R&B and Soul and..) really COOK, right? When all the instruments are playing different parts and different rhythms that still end up locking together?

That's why when you hear some deep funk, your face contorts. Because the bass is pulling your ass in one direction… the drums are moving your shoulders this way… the piano is working on your shoulders… the rhythm guitar is hitting you in your head… That shit just grabs your body and compels thee to move!

Here… You got everybody playing in ONE direction. And not a particularly interesting one to start with. This song doesn't make you wanna get down, does it? I mean, you can nod your head and pop your shoulders to it… and maybe even do a gentle little two-step to it. But it ain't throwing down, nosiree…

That's MY OPINION™ of course… others' mileage may vary. But anybody out there feel what I'm talking about? Or do you really find this song to be funky and groovy in a way that I can't?

about a lot of what you said but maybe this song is not made to make people dance.

>about a lot of what you said but maybe this song is not made
>to make people dance.

I just wish I knew what it's for.

It's not there to make you marvel at the amazing composition or arrangement.

It's not there to showcase great musicianship (though I think D has been playing some nice keys solos when he does this song... I know I have been critical of his soloing in the past)

It's got no build-up or release of tension.

It's got no verse.

it's got no chorus.

It's got no bridge (does it? can't remember....)

It's just.... there.

What the fuck IS it? I'm actually getting frustrated trying to figure out what it achieves as a piece of music! lol

I actually think it's a cool song even though it sounds like a p-funk bridge.

I don't know what's the purpose of the song either but it doesn't really matter to me, it's just D'angelo doing his thing.

>I don't know what's the purpose of the song either but it
>doesn't really matter to me, it's just D'angelo doing his
>thing.

it's very Hip-Hop that way. lol

b/c they're kinda used to that sort of thing. i figured D's funk would be up their alley b/c it's so Hip-Hop. i think if he'd done more songs they knew he would've gotten a more energetic reaction.

songs are FUNKY now, but they're not FUNK.

>songs are FUNKY now, but they're not FUNK.

In My Opinion™

which kinda muddies up and flattens it out, i think.

i dunno.

lol @ half a bridge. but, yeah.

and i think D's funk is less about the various pieces of the song pulling one's body in different directions as much as it's about working one into a zone via repetition. the structure kinda reminds me of Sly's 'Africa Talks To You' in that it's kinda hypnotic. it drones. i think that's what he's going for, usually. that mixed w/some Worrell/Clinton/Collins and/or Prince or Ohio Players in the vocals.

i blame Hip-Hop. Hip-Hoppers seem to make relatively flat Funk. i'm hard pressed to think of any who bring it w/some real dynamism.

> the
>structure kinda reminds me of Sly's 'Africa Talks To You' in
>that it's kinda hypnotic. it drones. i think that's what
>he's going for, usually. that mixed w/some
>Worrell/Clinton/Collins and/or Prince or Ohio Players in the
>vocals.

GET THE HELL OUT OF MY HEAD

I was just about to post that in a way, this song puts me in the mind of "Africa Talks to You (The Asphalt Jungle)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-IkcwV_uI

But when I started listening to the song, I realized that it actually has more variety, more movement than "Sugar Daddy"

Still, it's in a similar zone... But D needs to work on filling up the sonic space. Sly has those chattering, overlapping and interlocking guitars and organ yelps. You gotta layer some stuff over the groove to achieve that kind of hypnotic effect.

Stuff like "Sugar Daddy" and "Chicken Grease"... they're just too "watery"... too wide a space between the parts, no tension holding it all together... you try to dance to it and you fall through all the gaps in the groove.

The irony in all this discussion over a bland funk-lite track, and the Defenders up in arms - and the same mofos tried to get on here and shit on the GOAT on his recent funk numbers.

Heard 10 times better from Bilal, Martin Luther, Van Hunt and the likes, maybe they should have took they clothes off in a video, and had Questlove as a cheerleader.

>> the
>>structure kinda reminds me of Sly's 'Africa Talks To You' in
>>that it's kinda hypnotic. it drones. i think that's what
>>he's going for, usually. that mixed w/some
>>Worrell/Clinton/Collins and/or Prince or Ohio Players in the
>>vocals.
>
>GET THE HELL OUT OF MY HEAD
>
>I was just about to post that in a way, this song puts me in
>the mind of "Africa Talks to You (The Asphalt Jungle)"
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-IkcwV_uI
>
>But when I started listening to the song, I realized that it
>actually has more variety, more movement than "Sugar Daddy"
>
>Still, it's in a similar zone... But D needs to work on
>filling up the sonic space. Sly has those chattering,
>overlapping and interlocking guitars and organ yelps. You
>gotta layer some stuff over the groove to achieve that kind of
>hypnotic effect.
>
>Stuff like "Sugar Daddy" and "Chicken Grease"... they're just
>too "watery"... too wide a space between the parts, no tension
>holding it all together... you try to dance to it and you fall
>through all the spaces in the groove.

D has yet to do anything as funky as 'Feelings':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLDUjUphro

or 'Blood from a Heart of Stone':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK5WQ8L5HY8&feature=related

or even 'Character':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fPcJ3tU5MU

or 'Priest or Police':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d21kGPZvGc0]

and i'm shocked by that. it's also why i'm so disappointed VH is veering away from the Funk as of late.

i went back and listened to 'Africa Talks To You' and agree that there's more going on than in the live versions of 'Sugar Daddy' i've heard thus far. i wonder what he does w/it in the studio.

*CLEARS THROAT*

>i wonder what he does w/it in the
>studio.
>
>*CLEARS THROAT*
>

.

The song does have a kind of blues turnaround and resolution to it.

But it's still weak and unfunky, mainly due to the relative lack of syncopation.

To be the son of a preacher man was once African American cultural royalty. As traditional churches have grown empty many of us have been left to wander these haunted castles like that displaced Prince of Denmark, contemplating the paths of our mothers: that electric lady that landed us here in the first place. The Aquarian Age is a matriarchal age, and if we are to exist as men in this new world many of us must learn to embrace and nuture that which is feminine with all of our hearts (he-arts). But is there any room for artistry in hip hop’s decadent man-sion? Have we walked our Timberlands soleless…soul-less? When you pour that wine on the ground in that video shoot that has become your life will you be ready to hear the voice that pours from the bottle to inebriate the very ground on which we walk? It is libations such as these that are the start of every voodoo ceremony. And let us not forget that that is why we have come.

We have come in the name of Jimi, Sly, Marvin, Stevie, all artists formerly known as spirits and all spirits formerly known as stars. We have come in the tradition of burning bushes, burning ghettos, burning splifs, and the ever-burning candles of our bedrooms and silent chambers. We have come bearing instruments and our voices: Falsetto and baritone, percussion and horns. We have come adorned in the apparel of the anointed: leather and feathers, jeans and t-shirts, linen and cashmere, and even polyester. We have come to seduce and serenade the night and the powers of darkness. We speak of darkness, not as ignorance, but as the unknown and the mysterious of the unseen.

Envision this: a lone man in a haunted room surrounded by glowing instructments. What sounds are evoked from a room where Jimi once slept? What are the rewards of those who tend to their God-given talents as they would have the Creator tend to their spirits and daily lives? What happens when the artist becomes the conjur man?
These are questions that seem to be null and void in the face of all the glitter and glamour that has dominated most successful Black artistry of recent years. We seem to be more preoccupied with cultivating our bank accounts than cultivating our crafts. Nowadays, I find my peers more inspired by an artist’s business tactics than their artistry. In fact, we do not seem to mind an artistry that suffers in the face of seemingly good business. More artists seem to yearn to own their own labels, etc., than they seem to yearn to master their crafts. No, we cannot allow any more Bessie Smiths to occur, but once an artist owns their own publishing the question then becomes, what are you going to publish? Of course, I am using the word “artist” loosely. I, personally, believe in an art as it exists in the context of the phrase “thou art God”. In this phrase, art is the word that connects the individual (thou) to their higher self (God) or to that which is universal. Using such a standard, most emcees might become embarrassed.

Whoa! Why am I attacking hip hop? ‘Cause I’m a lyricist, son, a lyricist that has had to serve as his own inspiration when most of my peers seem to idolize Donald Trump more than Sly Stone, when they don’t seem to realize that Jimi Hendrix was and is a sonic Bill gates. Oh shit, don’t make me call no names.

Now, you may ask, “Well what does this have to do with D’Angelo?”
My answer: Inspiration.
Here is a peer that is focused wholly on his craft and has given himself the challenge of bettering himself. I mean really, D could have come out with any ol’ follow-up album after Brown Sugar dropped so that he could double his sales “While he’s still hot.” You know, an album that sounds just like Brown Sugar, uses all the same formulas, so that audiences don’t have to think ….or grown, they just keep liking the same shit. He could even sample songs that you’re already familiar with so that you don’t have to go through the “hard work” of getting used to a new melody or bass line. Y’all don’t hear me.

You might respond, “Lyrics? Yo, I can’t even understand half the shit that D’Angelo be saying. That nigga sounds like Bobby McFerrin on opium.” And I’d say, “You’re right. Neither can I. But I am drawn to figure out what it is that he’s saying. His vocal collaging intrigues me.” Or you might say, “But his shit don’t sound all that original, he just sounds like he’s trying to be Prince or some shit.” And I’d say, maybe you’re right. At times he does. We often study the breathing techniques of our inspirations (inspire means to breathe in or to make breath, inhale). And that’s also true for most of you, emcees. I mean, don’t ¾ of y’all niggas sound like NAS? The difference is that D’Angelo has allowed influence to simply take its place among his own intuitive artistry. He works to find his own voice within his many influences. I’d pay to see Prince’s face as he listens to this album (Ahmir, ? of The Roots, said that the Artist lets Black people call him Prince). Do you think he’d feel robbed or inspired? My opinion, over the years as I’ve sat in countless conversations about why it is that the Artist puts out half the shit he does (you know the half I’m talking about) is because he lacks any new inspiration. Once again an artist is faced with the reality of having to serve as their own inspiration after they have worn out all their Sly, Jimi, Marvin, Stevie ( I do not mean to ignore the many inspirational female singers, I’m just making a point as regards this male vocalist)…

Damn, is there any way to speak of that which is feminine without having masculinity right in the middle of it? Female. Woman. Unless, of course, these words came first and we later dervied male and man from them. Somehow, I doubt that. We need a new language to go along with this new age. And a new music.

you two literally are responsible for damn near 30% of the replies in 160+ reply post. GIVE IT A FUCN REST

there are def valid criticisms you two are making about the song selection for the show, the rhythmic dynamics of the songs, and the playing, BUT, it becomes an exercise in hate when you just keep repeating AT LENGTH that commentary 10 times over.

as a fan of D, I personally was disappointed, even though by the end of the track I felt they finally found their groove, but you two are predictable as fuck. i knew both of you would be in here going off about the performance.

seriously what good comes out of you two "going in" on D time after time. EVERYONE in here gets it and it's why folks started taking personal shots at you two because it's old. most folks on here DO NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU TWO THINK ABOUT D. the positive things you guys say about D are drowned out by the tsunami of "this shit huff"

i honestly i feel when it comes to D yall should just give stay out the post

>i honestly i feel when it comes to D yall should just give
>stay out the post

...YOU could stay out of the post.

But that being said, I feel you. I actually grow tired of myself when I engage in these discussions. Usually, I start off wanting to have a real discussion about music: like, I think D'Angelo is not funky. Why does his funk fail? What elements are not coming together?

Unfortunately, that kind of discussion seems not to be allowed. The D fans will not tolerate even the slightest criticism. And then they start with the personal attacks, the jeering, the false, reductive arguments ("If you don't love what D is doing, then that means that you hate real musicians playing live" etc), the trying to shout you out of the post...

And me, being the mature adult I am... well, I join right in.

I would really love to talk about the MUSIC, though. (And the mythos too, of course... that's as big a part of it as anything)

the convo you and SoWhat are having just above. that IMO has been the most insightful and measured part of this whole discussion, but because the previous 150 are the typical childish back-n-forths, i doubt folks are even reading it...

THE MYTHOS, fuck the mythos of D is one of biggest problems in appreciating AND critiquing his work. i without hesitation blame 85% of that on Questluv. D being gone 10 years only made the mythos/mystique worse. at this point D has no one to blame but himself. this is coming from some one who had Voodoo as my favorite LP of the "aughts". from what i've heard i'm not excited about what he is bringing. i honestly feel that boat has sailed and artist like Shafiq, Bilal, Muhsinah, Sonnymoon, James Blake, TheeSatisfaction, Janelle etc, are doing much more interesting "progressive" things with the genre(s) of soul/r&b/funk

>the convo you and SoWhat are having just above. that IMO has
>been the most insightful and measured part of this whole
>discussion, but because the previous 150 are the typical
>childish back-n-forths, i doubt folks are even reading it...

Unfortunately, I bet you the afternoon shift is about to come in to mess that up.

I think the mythos is important to some degree because as I said somewhere above, I am fascinated by the gap between D's aspirations and his achievements... which in a way also means examining the mythos vs. the reality.

And I don't blame him for any of that, either. I just wish he would have the confidence to just *do him*... Stop the stalling, stop trying to live up to the myth. JUST MAKE MUSIC, MAN.

And the first step to that is to get this album out. And then another. And another.

The more he stalls, the bigger the expectations grow and the worse the pressure gets.

>i without hesitation blame 85% of that on Questluv. D being gone 10 years only made
>the mythos/mystique worse.


YESSS!!!! Just wanted to say i am soooo glad someone said this. D hasn't been saying anything himself; it's mostly ?uest who be trippin. On the "Hercules! Hercules!" tip.


This discussion is interesting (and painful lol, but i'm cool with raw opinions.) It's got me thinking about a lot of subjects that i kinda wanna ask in the forums. Quesions like quanitity or quality?, Can an artist truly ever get to jam on a new instrument in the midst of their career?
What is funk exactly? (<---hate questions like this because it's never precise and it ALWAYS boil down to subjective opinions)
Can an artist just be stuck as an artist or should they always progress towards all-over entertainer?
Can an artist ever be low-key yet musically & lyrically influential?
If an artist is inspired by or compared to an "legend", how do they step out of the legend's shadow while staying true to themselves?


i shall reflect...

"Mama there goes that Man D'Angelo" stand up and hands down.

all this hype and his funk is on starbucks lite tip 1)

he wants to have the conservative funk and he wants to be running it and yet he is caught mimicking what he can't at least equal 2)

yeah he can play and he has feeling in his work however masking jams and grooves off as songs which come off half betty crocker live is a diaster that is a waste of oven time and it is brunt before it even gets a chance to cook2)

you see the same ole hype year after year, day after day and wonder if this cat is finally bring the goods and all you get a zerox copy and a watered down version of a cat trying to funk by the numbers and also hip hop by the numbers and he hits with neither one proper 3)

back in the day you either lived up to the hype or you stayed away in a bottle like "I dream of Jeannie" 4)

what trips me out this turkey got a few albums to his credit and all these yes folks, it would be scary if this cat had at least 4-5 more albums out which would all be the same sounding old sounding stuff by the way 5)


the band D'angelo has with him can play,etc.. however the songs and vibe are restrictive and also its trying to capture a leader who is instead of a fan and can't get past his own two shoes. he trips over his own thing and i'd say to D'angelo start making music that reflects you instead of doing that old Man Holiday Inn gig 3 in the morning joints. find you Partna 6)

I understand where they were coming from. They wanted him to do two songs. One of those HAD to be Untitled, because he was performing for TV audience where the majority of people only remember him for that song. Then if he's gonna do two then he'd have to to a new song as well. Another Life is by far the best new song I've heard, but he couldn't do two slow songs back to back for this. I like Charade, but it's a bit too derivative of Prince to be performing as your one new song for this audience. So that leaves Sugah Daddy. I agree with the opinion that it's a song that is trying to be funky but isn't really there. My biggest issue is that it doesn't feel like a full song. It's something that should be a snippet/transition on the album at the end of another song or something.

The biggest issue with D in my opinion is the difference between who he is and what he's known for. If you take away his biggest hits - Untitled and Lady (both co-written by Raphael Saadiq), there aren't too many full songs in his discography. You have Higher, Me and Those Dreaming Eyes...and I'm struggling to think of others. Spanish Joint maybe? Brown Sugar barely has a melody at all. Some of the other great recordings he's done are covers. I LOVE Voodoo, but the majority of that album is jams and not full songs. That's why I love Another Life so much - it sounds like a full song and he hasn't done much of that. U Will Know might be one of the best songs he's written separate from Raphael Saadiq.

Someone else in this post mentioned that it's because his sound is filtered through hip-hop. Maybe that's it - in terms of songwriting alot of his music is essentially four bar loops. You can get away with that if the funk is strong but not if the feeling isn't just right.

But...back to the BET Awards - I think a better call would have been for him to do a quick medley of songs at the piano like he did on his European tour. Maybe do that leading into Another Life with the full band. I guess El Debarge already did this. Maybe what he REALLY should have done was wait until he actually released an album or at least a single and then performed.

www2.zshare.ma/mhp03umj36v5


actually listening to the audio of the track....couple things stick out....as was pointed out by a few others who were actually playing attention to the music... this is a solid track...catchy.... you could get cool video and maybe even a version with a verse from an MC on it...

the other thing..

the band is tight as fukk ...the arrangement is dope...and D' is bringing it...

tommorow night at the House of Blues is gonna be rocking...

because Sugar daddy is bound to be certified Glad Bag. ain't nobody gonna drop no hook to that.

if he pulls Rick Ross then I say he won, however after hearing that track maybe silk the shocker will come out of retirement and drop a verse?

the pedophile is much more likely to sing rawse a hook than D

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

Listening to a clear audio rip brings it into a new context for me.

The youtube fan-video clips from the UK shows ware aight, but out of the new tracks I too thought "Sugar daddy" was the weakest.

It definitely grows on you with proper audio quality. I hope the studio version is righteous too.

song selection

He could have easily sung 2 or 3 hits, and that still wouldn't
have hushed the critics. I'm happy his voice sounds crisp and he looks
like he's in the zone.


and I'm glad this post is about the music(good or bad), and not what
several radio personalities commented on--> not taking his shirt off

>song selection
>
>He could have easily sung 2 or 3 hits, and that still
>wouldn't
>have hushed the critics. I'm happy his voice sounds crisp and
>he looks
>like he's in the zone.
>
>
>and I'm glad this post is about the music(good or bad), and
>not what
>several radio personalities commented on--> not taking his
>shirt off

...will they ? SMH.

silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/

"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.

He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.

R.I.P Jamie Hubley

which again basically was a prince tribute track
dude needs to get on a summer hook with rick ross
or get in the studio with Ye
then comeback drop that smooth jazz funk dirty Kem album

>>song selection
>>
>>He could have easily sung 2 or 3 hits, and that still
>>wouldn't
>>have hushed the critics. I'm happy his voice sounds crisp
>and
>>he looks
>>like he's in the zone.
>>
>>
>>and I'm glad this post is about the music(good or bad), and
>>not what
>>several radio personalities commented on--> not taking his
>>shirt off
>
>...will they ? SMH.
>
>silk.later Reunion radio with Old P. & Silk
>http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/
>
>"i'm talking about *Balls Deep*....In Love (c)Cleveland Jr.
>
>He was cultivating a fine nigga farm (c)Goldmind.
>
>R.I.P Jamie Hubley

"what are those things those people are holding?"

Those are called instruments, Nicki. You play them, see?

lol I thought D was great.

http://img51.imageporter.com/i/01238/7uni0el4xhle_t.jpg

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

she doing what it takes to get her bills paid
women so that shit for a living

can't speak for anyone else

SAD
like the village midget, you hope he grows taller
cause you want the underdog to win
but dude has No personality, and needs a new bass player ASAP
suga daddy jus not a good track
like dude trying 2 hard

MP3 DOWNLOAD: http://funkit.minus.com/mYF75dm9e/
VIDEO DOWNLOAD: http://funkit.minus.com/mZsvUH3dV/

Merci

then came in here and y'all made me watch it again and find the faults

oh well, still dug it, just good to see something funky on live awards show with the extended stuff and all. I did think the audience was funny just nodding their heads and so restrained. Just miss when artists like Prince would just kill awards shows. Hell, he still does I guess but not like he used to.

>I did think
>the audience was funny just nodding their heads and so
>restrained. Just miss when artists like Prince would just
>kill awards shows. Hell, he still does I guess but not like
>he used to.

Beyonce and Solange looked like they were *forcing* themselves to dance because the camera already captured them standing up.

But you can't blame them for the fact that it ain't a danceable track at all. As I said before, you could see a lot of those people were ready to move (and be moved)... It ain't their fault that the music did not deliver that. After all, when Frankie Beverly and Maze took the stage, everybody was groovin'. So maybe it's not that the audience was "restrained," uptight or square... Maybe the MUSIC was?


(LOL I'm just funnin' y'all... Promise I'm letting it go after this)

i figured she was tipsy all night.

>i figured she was tipsy all night.

Frankie beverly could have a Uckele and be grooving, meanwhile D'angelo could have Cameo's Gear and larry blackmon's Cod Piece and still find a way to not be funky.

got them Harbor City Lake Gators on ....

Funk gettin ready to roll......

>got them Harbor City Lake Gators on ....
>
>Funk gettin ready to roll......


YOU ARE THE NIGGA OF THE YEAR FOR GETTING ALL THEM BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKERS ON STAGE!!!-Supablak regarding 2uestlove Bonnarro D setup

I'm not the one who wrote that extended song fragment called "Sugar Daddy," family... Don't take it out on me for pointing out the obvious fact that that shit is a love song to Sir Nose.

>I'm not the one who wrote that extended song fragment called
>"Sugar Daddy," family... Don't take it out on me for pointing
>out the obvious fact that that shit is a love song to Sir
>Nose.


YOU ARE THE NIGGA OF THE YEAR FOR GETTING ALL THEM BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKERS ON STAGE!!!-Supablak regarding 2uestlove Bonnarro D setup

>


YOU ARE THE NIGGA OF THE YEAR FOR GETTING ALL THEM BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKERS ON STAGE!!!-Supablak regarding 2uestlove Bonnarro D setup

YOU ARE THE NIGGA OF THE YEAR FOR GETTING ALL THEM BAD ASS MOTHERFUCKERS ON STAGE!!!-Supablak regarding 2uestlove Bonnarro D setup

We get it.

You don't like D'angelo.

Just like you don't like Amy Winehouse.

That's fine.

That's your opinion etc...

Why do you spend all your time on here, BEING A TOTALLY SHIT-SUCKING, HATE-FILLED, CUNT ?

Answer me that.



What the blood claaat ???

& i didn't listen :(

NSJF FLAC: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2a61b3woacpl2y7/DAngelo2012-07-08-NSJF%20%28FLAC%29.zip
or
NSJF MP3: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0zn2l2r2iopos7/DAngelo2012-07-08-NSJF%20%28MP3%29.zip

plus some great quality vidoes of most of the Cologne show here: http://vimeo.com/user8012821/videos

I hear a lot of licks and runs similar to the ones in 'Sugah Daddy'. Wouldn't surprise me if this it that Q-Tip produced track and he sampled Bill. Explains why D' called James Gadson to be on the record the time Quest supposedly wasn't available.