Allow yourself a moment to pay a penance in this post.

Let me set the scene real quick: 1985. Rap Is A Fad. JFK Stadium. Philadelphia. Rock Festival of a Generation.

Two Turntables & Two Microphones.

Turn the fucking joint out and show there might be something to this shit to a world that really had no idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHZfewPCziU

We never looked back.

Appreciate that fact.

RIP Jam Master Jay.

i like the songs they had on run howse

>Allow yourself a moment to pay a penance in this post.
>
>Let me set the scene real quick: 1985. Rap Is A Fad. JFK
>Stadium. Philadelphia. Rock Festival of a Generation.
>
>Two Turntables & Two Microphones.
>
>Turn the fucking joint out and show there might be something
>to this shit to a world that really had no idea:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHZfewPCziU
>
>We never looked back.
>
>Appreciate that fact.
>
>RIP Jam Master Jay.


You preachin' to the choir....They the GOATS

...Run DMC's debut was the first cassette I ever bought for myself. I used to play it in the Volvo and Mom's was like why are they screaming?

I never forgot. Run DMC's first three albums are bonafied classics. That self-titled debut is all kinds of awesome.

>...Run DMC's debut was the first cassette I ever bought for
>myself. I used to play it in the Volvo and Mom's was like why
>are they screaming?

and I just have to stare in amazement at how this all came together, this really WAS different

.

the audience is HUGE & as a delaware valley bred person i understand how enourmous rfk stadium was just HUGE!

wonder how many visitors attended that day

http://xpn.org/blogs/885mmmm/2007/10/19/10-bob-geldof-and-midge-ure-organize-live-aid-held-in-london-and-philadelphia-july-13-1985/

>http://xpn.org/blogs/885mmmm/2007/10/19/10-bob-geldof-and-midge-ure-organize-live-aid-held-in-london-and-philadelphia-july-13-1985/
>
>

Awesome. Thanks for the headsup & link !

;)

Dope post Bomb.....They deserve their GOAT status...


And if anyone else wants to read about the greatness and stories behind Run DMC's work...It's all here:

http://www.vibe.com/photo-galleries/full-clip-dmc-breaks-down-run-dmcs-entire-catalogue-and-solo-work-feat-fat-boys-kurt



And I know a lot of the younger heads are wondering what the big deal was.....Let me break it down to you beyond the music...DMC tells me the story that during the Raising Hell tour, he was taking home $80, 000 a show at sold out 20,000 seaters across the globe...And that's after the money was split with the house, security light people, and D's fellow members.....That's insane...And that's how huge Run-DMC was..

They were simply beyond anything you could imagine...

"Hi"-(c)Joker

http://books.google.com/books?id=DFgfrF29bfgC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

I could have swore there was a portion that spoke on how Run-DMC made Princes fancy clothes feminine acting act obsolete in 1984 when Run DMC came onto the scene aka how their dress code was something anyone could wear and how their "stance" was the everyday guy. I skimmed the article but found no R-Dmc mention but it's out there somewhere i just have to figure which mag had it.

>http://books.google.com/books?id=DFgfrF29bfgC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

it was a good one

"Hi"-(c)Joker

In one issue of a 1986 music magazine you get full articles on Prince, Run-DMC's role in saving Aerosmith, Lou Reed, Fela Kuti's release from prison & the first expose on how the Live-Aid funds were being missapropriated.

>In one issue of a 1986 music magazine you get full articles
>on Prince, Run-DMC's role in saving Aerosmith, Lou Reed, Fela
>Kuti's release from prison & the first expose on how the
>Live-Aid funds were being missapropriated.
>


Yeah. In an instance, they made Rolling Stone almost obsolete.

>http://books.google.com/books?id=DFgfrF29bfgC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
>I could have swore there was a portion that spoke on how
>Run-DMC made Princes fancy clothes feminine acting act
>obsolete in 1984 when Run DMC came onto the scene aka how
>their dress code was something anyone could wear and how their
>"stance" was the everyday guy. I skimmed the article but found
>no R-Dmc mention but it's out there somewhere i just have to
>figure which mag had it.


If anything, it wasn't Run DMC that took some of Prince's mojo...

It was NWA....

hip-hop in general had a negative effect on P, first in his inability to acknowledge it & then later with his ham-fisted attempts at incorporating it into his sound.

So Run-DMC would have to be somewhat in that mix even though they were always huge fans of Prince themselves.

However I look at Run-DMC's wardrobe/style signalling not the end for P so much as a stripped-down/simplified reaction to the bedazzled look/style of early groups like Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, etc.

A more utilitarian/everyman 'neighborhood' look that could be emulated by anybody.

>hip-hop in general had a negative effect on P, first in his
>inability to acknowledge it & then later with his ham-fisted
>attempts at incorporating it into his sound.


First, I have to say again, I'm a Run DMC STAN....I worship those dudes...And...You are correct in that Prince did not want to respect the hip-hop artform...And while Run DMC's cultural impact was mammoth and at times beyond imagination, it didn't have as big of an effect on Prince as did gangsta rap (and New Jack Swing)...I'll explain further down.....


>So Run-DMC would have to be somewhat in that mix even though
>they were always huge fans of Prince themselves.

Actually not really....When Run DMC were killing it with their biggest commercial triumph in 86, Prince was still a superstar...He was still having huge singles ("Kiss" and the like), touring and his music was getting played on stations across the globe and MTV....He was good...Not Purple Rain good...But good....


>However I look at Run-DMC's wardrobe/style signalling not the
>end for P so much as a stripped-down/simplified reaction to
>the bedazzled look/style of early groups like Grandmaster
>Flash & The Furious Five, etc.
>
>A more utilitarian/everyman 'neighborhood' look that could be
>emulated by anybody.

In my opinion, Prince's steady commercial downfall was bought on by two factors...His own reluctance to play the game (you know, releasing albums every year...Not staying with the Purple Rain sound ect...)

However, early gangsta rap HURT Prince big time....

Think about it...in 1987, Prince was still a superstar artist coming off the success of Sign O The Time...He sold 2 to 3 million albums; he had almost his entire album being played on pop, rock and R&B stations...He was being nominated for Album of the Year by the Grammy's....There was a reason why Sheila E was in Crush Groove, Bomb...He was still a big dog...

But when 'Fuck The Police' came out, that was a HUGE blow to Prince...You see, Prince was known as an outlaw back then...He was the most dangerous man in pop music...The guy you didn't want your kids listening to (remember he kick started the PMRC)...If you were a parent, you didn't want your kids listening to Prince...He was gangsta rap before gangsta rap...

But NWA? Those motherfuckers were truly scary...lol...Them niggas were NIGGAS....They took all the danger out of Prince...They made him look even more feminine, when before that was part of Prince's danger in the past...

It got so bad that by the time Prince released Diamonds & Pearls, he was holding a GUN microphone in his hand and being backed up by wack ass rappers, a signal that he was indeed paying attention to the more street oriented hip-hop scene that was led by NWA, Ice T, and Cube...

Gangsta Rap + New Jack Swing= Prince's initial fall....

But Run DMC lit the bomb.....

>>hip-hop in general had a negative effect on P, first in his
>>inability to acknowledge it & then later with his ham-fisted
>>attempts at incorporating it into his sound.
>
>
>First, I have to say again, I'm a Run DMC STAN....I worship
>those dudes...And...You are correct in that Prince did not
>want to respect the hip-hop artform...And while Run DMC's
>cultural impact was mammoth and at times beyond imagination,
>it didn't have as big of an effect on Prince as did gangsta
>rap (and New Jack Swing)...I'll explain further down.....
>
>
>>So Run-DMC would have to be somewhat in that mix even though
>>they were always huge fans of Prince themselves.
>
>Actually not really....When Run DMC were killing it with their
>biggest commercial triumph in 86, Prince was still a
>superstar...He was still having huge singles ("Kiss" and the
>like), touring and his music was getting played on stations
>across the globe and MTV....He was good...Not Purple Rain
>good...But good....
>
I'm saying by being the group most responsible for ushering in hip-hop to the masses in the mid-to-early 80s, they indirectly had an effect long-term through their own influence.

>
>>However I look at Run-DMC's wardrobe/style signalling not
>the
>>end for P so much as a stripped-down/simplified reaction to
>>the bedazzled look/style of early groups like Grandmaster
>>Flash & The Furious Five, etc.
>>
>>A more utilitarian/everyman 'neighborhood' look that could
>be
>>emulated by anybody.
>
>In my opinion, Prince's steady commercial downfall was bought
>on by two factors...His own reluctance to play the game (you
>know, releasing albums every year...Not staying with the
>Purple Rain sound ect...)
>
>However, early gangsta rap HURT Prince big time....
>
>Think about it...in 1987, Prince was still a superstar artist
>coming off the success of Sign O The Time...He sold 2 to 3
>million albums; he had almost his entire album being played on
>pop, rock and R&B stations...He was being nominated for Album
>of the Year by the Grammy's....There was a reason why Sheila E
>was in Crush Groove, Bomb...He was still a big dog...
>
>But when 'Fuck The Police' came out, that was a HUGE blow to
>Prince...You see, Prince was known as an outlaw back then...He
>was the most dangerous man in pop music...The guy you didn't
>want your kids listening to (remember he kick started the
>PMRC)...If you were a parent, you didn't want your kids
>listening to Prince...He was gangsta rap before gangsta
>rap...
>
>But NWA? Those motherfuckers were truly scary...lol...Them
>niggas were NIGGAS....They took all the danger out of
>Prince...They made him look even more feminine, when before
>that was part of Prince's danger in the past...
>

But to me you could say the same for Public Enemy (less gangsta but their overt political bent was construed as anti-white/establishment) or any other group (BDP, etc) who'd been featured in the hysteria of mainstream coverage of rap music in the late 80's summed up by the Newsweek 'Rap Rage' cover.

By the time NWA was big, P had already kinda bricked with 'Lovesexy' & though Batdance was a hit that following summer it already seemed like Prince had sorta become the old guard.

>It got so bad that by the time Prince released Diamonds &
>Pearls, he was holding a GUN microphone in his hand and being
>backed up by wack ass rappers, a signal that he was indeed
>paying attention to the more street oriented hip-hop scene
>that was led by NWA, Ice T, and Cube...
>
Oh I agree, shit was a mess by then. But I don't chalk it up to any one particular group, more hip-hop as an overall movement/culture along with Prince just being insulated & out of touch by that point. Nobody can stay young & hip forever unless they die.

>Gangsta Rap + New Jack Swing= Prince's initial fall....
>
>But Run DMC lit the bomb.....
>
yeah, we basically agree on that.

>>http://books.google.com/books?id=DFgfrF29bfgC&printsec=frontcover&rview=1&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
>>
>>I could have swore there was a portion that spoke on how
>>Run-DMC made Princes fancy clothes feminine acting act
>>obsolete in 1984 when Run DMC came onto the scene aka how
>>their dress code was something anyone could wear and how
>their
>>"stance" was the everyday guy. I skimmed the article but
>found
>>no R-Dmc mention but it's out there somewhere i just have to
>>figure which mag had it.
>
>
>If anything, it wasn't Run DMC that took some of Prince's
>mojo...
>
>It was NWA....
>

I don't really want to, but I have to disagree with you Murph. Sure , by the time NWA came along they put the nail in the purple coffin, but Run and dem pushed Prince into the 6 ft hole 4-5 years earlier with B-Boy popularity.

Their Reading Rainbow appearance was nicer than most rapper's careers.

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"I suck when it comes to Internet forums"

And yes, when they stepped on stage at Live Aid, all the people gave and the poor got paid.

Ironically enough I never saw the video.

...at least the way I experience it is that younger people view them as important and an act that paved the way for later-and in their opinion better-rappers to make it etc. rather than a "band" that did powerful music in its own right that stands the test of time...

However, I still think their best songs-and there are many-cut it. Their pre-Rakim rhyme-styles do not make them dated IMO, just different and arguably more intense and energetic...

>...at least the way I experience it is that younger people
>view them as important and an act that paved the way for
>later-and in their opinion better-rappers to make it etc.
>rather than a "band" that did powerful music in its own right
>that stands the test of time...
>
>However, I still think their best songs-and there are many-cut
>it. Their pre-Rakim rhyme-styles do not make them dated IMO,
>just different and arguably more intense and energetic...
>
>

the light show Kanye West uses, no showmanship no nuthin,

RUN DMC, nobody forgets them they are from fuckin Queens

wanting a pair of adidas, black hat and black rim glasses

the KINGS!

Man,

I felt the same chills I felt when I saw them at Fresh Fest...there is so much revisionist history amongst the youth as well as a lack of true perspective on how mind boggling the advent of hip hop was back then.

it is UNFAIR that hip hop is no longer that energetic for all the right reasons

but i digress

I had a good time at the fests. Run DMC always ripped it! I still say their debut is the greatest rap album of all time.

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i love music!-THE MIGHTY O'JAYS

BLACK WOMEN RULE!

matter of fact, I kinda hated Whodini till I saw Grandmaster Dee DESTROY his set.



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Eazy-Duz-It Tour in 89 (NWA, PE, Kid N' Play, JJ Fadd, Too Short, Kwame)
Coca-Cola Superfest (3XDope, Kool Moe Dee, Heavy D, MC Hammer, Guy)
LL Nitro Tour
PE Black Planet tour

I'm pretty much done with arena shows at this point but those are all still fond memories.

you see unlike a tuna can head turkey like kayne west running on stage at taylor shift saying this is better and talking game, they spit game and were trying to take the game.

not only were there early albums the blue prints for hip hop but they had there own style.

tell you how important they were a certain American Idol judge a certain Mr.Steven Tyler owes them a debt of grattitude imo.

they brought it in the studio and live.

>you see unlike a tuna can head turkey like kayne west running
>on stage at taylor shift saying this is better and talking
>game, they spit game and were trying to take the game.
>
>not only were there early albums the blue prints for hip hop
>but they had there own style.
>
>tell you how important they were a certain American Idol judge
>a certain Mr.Steven Tyler owes them a debt of grattitude imo.
>
>they brought it in the studio and live.



Co-sign.....

>
>tell you how important they were a certain American Idol judge
>a certain Mr.Steven Tyler owes them a debt of grattitude imo.
>

>
>tell you how important they were a certain American Idol judge
>a certain Mr.Steven Tyler owes them a debt of grattitude imo.
>

ARE thankful...

i mean, real talk, Aerosmith GOT a second and third and fourth wind after they did Walk This Way with Run DMC...

Tyler has always said in interviews, as well as the group, they were grateful for the collaboration with Run DMC.

with this post and that video
& for those of u that werent/arent old enough to remember the EPICNESS of live aid nor the EPICNESS of run dmc
i feel sorry for ur mother

>with this post and that video
>& for those of u that werent/arent old enough to remember the
>EPICNESS of live aid nor the EPICNESS of run dmc
>i feel sorry for ur mother



Hahahahahaha!!!!....True...

...a couple weeks ago, i heavily got into their first album...classic material right there

Both of them had their own style in a genre that wasn't given much respect. Both inspired a whole generation of folks to get started themselves. Both had an aesthetic of raw energy. And both have turned into a fashion statement to tons of people who likely haven't heard more than one or two of their hits.

I wanted to go so baddddddddly but I was away at a lousy summer camp (Tockwough, emphasis on the last 3 letters, you probably know it) and we tasked my parents to record it.

Unfortunately my folks are far from technically competent, and instead of uninterrupted Live Aid Wembley/RFK broadcasts we wound up with 4 VHS tapes of the Weather Channel. Most unfortunate.

Anyway, I don't think I'd ever seen this and it was absolutely something I should have seen at 13 that could very possibly have changed my perception about hip hop well ahead of schedule. The confidence these guys exuded in front of a crowd of people mostly there to see anything but rap - pretty incredible, and the performance was great. Only problem is some of the intricacies of the turntable parts didn't come across as well as they could - probably a combination of the sound at the venue, internet streaming and crappy speakers on my computer.

started raising hell (pun intended) about wanting to go as well & there was no way they were gonna bring her (think I was 9, she was 6) so they did the safe thing & left both of us at home with a sitter.

I did tape the entire thing on VHS, those tapes are probably still in my parents' basement (along with my video 'pause tapes' from the Yo! MTV Raps era a few years later).

I was in 8th grade... And while I thought it was a great show, I didn't appreciate it like I would now... Still something I will never forget...

RIP JMJ

1st rappers to earn a gold album
1st rappers to earn a platinum album
1st rappers to earn a triple-platinum album
1st rappers to go platinum with three consecutive albums
1st rap video on MTV
1st rappers on American Bandstand
1st rappers on the cover of Rolling Stone
1st rappers to get a corporate endorsement deal (Adidas)
1st rappers to star in their own film (Krush Groove)
1st rappers to perform at the Grammy Awards show (1988)
...and the only rap act at Live Aid.

is still the best speakerbox jawn. roll around the block with your windows down and your stereo up, guaranteed they dancing on the corner

having a dj and not a band was at the time

a dj was normal to me up until middle school. lol

its crazy.

yay or nay?

i'm going with a YAY

>yay or nay?
>
>i'm going with a YAY


Greatest hip hop group of all time? Yep


Most important hip-hop act of all time?---Ditto again....