>I'm hearing artists putting his influence into their work.
>Electronic is a pretty broad form. You'll be able to find
>plenty of artists that have no DIlla influence. But there are
>some that have.

thats possible, but my whole point is that what you're calling Dilla's influence might in fact be something else. and in the case of dubstep i believe that it is.

>>>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>>>its up to that person to support it.
>>
>>you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized
>>protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.
>
>*blankstare* where did i say that?

aside from hip hop...
*Hits up the jazz spot and hears Dilla's influence*
*Peeps out the electronic scene and hears Dilla's influence*
*Browses the alt-rock of today and hears Dilla's influence*
*Checks out the alt-soul of today and hears Dilla's influence.*
*Turns on Late Nite TV and hears Dilla's influence*


>>>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>>>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.

>nice one. doesn't keep the artists from being influenced by
>dilla though. and you know (i hope) that's a broad
>generalization that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. i don't
>have time to scrutinize it though so two points.

perhaps

>>IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to
>>detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no
>>influence
>
>yeah but he didn't, and i never said he did, so making your
>point here doesn't add or diminish anything.

well when you said electronic music, i brought up techno specifically because of the Detroit connection. And while im sure Jay Dee may have provided some Detroit techno prod/DJs with inspiration, HE is a branch off of THEIR tree. not the other way around.

>Who said anything about a Dilla win? What are we winning.
>I'm just stating a fact. I turn on NBC and can hear Dilla's
>influence. You cannot deny that.

fine. i have to agree with that, but its a hollow statement based more on circumstance than any brilliance of Dilla's art.

>Wait wait wait... was DIlla influenced by jungle or by techno?
> Hmmmmm.... there's a full circle to the electronic
>'influnece' i've articulated elsewhere though not in this
>thread. another discussion at another time.

well all electronic music traces its roots back to Detroit Techno. Jungle/drum and bass has just gone so far in its own way as to be able to exert its own influence.

>I'll make this point here without having to get into origins
>and such. Regardless of how you historically place the rise
>of dubstep, if I interview five artists and they all cite
>Dilla as a major influence on them, and can talk about the
>specifics of drum patterns and rhythms they love and studied
>from Dilla, he had a musical influence on them.

Agreed...IF you can do this. but unless a few of those dudes are flagship artists (for the sake of conversation we'll say Ed Rush or Optical (DnB producers/DJs)), a genre wide influence should not be assumed.