>>you say he changed electronic music, but you dont give any
>>examples.
>
>I didn't say he changed electronic music. I said I turn on
>some electronic music and hear his influence.

if the music didnt change after him, how can you hear an influence?

>> usually when someone makes an outlandish statement,
>>its up to that person to support it.

you basically said that Dilla *influenced* a decently sized protion of the entertainment spectrum in america.

>you must have missed all the drum and bass artist that went
>dubstep and hopped on the dilla quantization craze.

no, i didnt miss all the artists that went dubstep, but ive never heard a dubstep record that contained any rhythmic characteristics that werent done before in jungle.

>>im not
>>saying it is NOT there, but you made a statement that you
>>arent even trying to back up.
>
>because the person I was replying to originally in this part
>of the thread wasn't coming from that angle at all.

well i agree there, but thats not me

>It's a good thing I didn't say that Jay Dee changed Techno.
>That would have been outlandish.

IF Jay Dee were to have influenced Techno the only way to detect that is in changes in the music. No change = no influence

>Did I say he's influencing late night tv, or did i say i turn
>on late night tv and hear his influence. See how you're
>twisting what I'm saying to make me look stupid. Except I'm
>not stupid. I'm actually very clear about what I'm saying.

but my point still stands. no one at NBC gives a shit about Jay Dee. Jimmy Fallon hired Jay Dee's friend. To claim that as a Dilla "win" is suspect.


>The polyrhythms of dubstep (on top of the two step) frequently
>employ dilla esque sense of rhythm. Dubstep as a sound is
>permeating through a lot of electronic music today
>particularly for its rhythmic sensibilities. It's not all of
>music of course but it's got it's strong little niche.

but jungle like Soundmurderer, Paradox, and others are the foundation for polyrhythmic dubstep. if anything, i would say that Dilla was influenced by those early junglists.

EDIT: chase & status, two of those d&b cats that went dubstep, have a very easily identifiable musical basis. their music usually falls into one of three categories: an expansion of the jumpup sound like "druids", amen rollers like "in love", and ragga based tracks like "duppy man" or the "hot wuk" remix.

their dubstep is very clearly an evolution of the ragga sound they like. now, that being said, i dont know what goes into RECORDING dubstep. its very possible that the techniques associated with it are based off of Dilla's studio know-how. however, sonically, that seems like convergent evolution to me.