*sigh* Let's finish this.

(started a new thread cause 600+ post threads are hard to follow)

I was pissed at how they thought they had the right to punish The True King for killing Genocidal Targaryan until he said "fuck it, im done with you bitches. Im the King Beyond The Wall and i got my old hair style and im out!!!!"

I'm happy John is bout to be the new Mance Rayder, but they played the fuck outta him.

I can see bargaining because you didnt want them to execute him. But them dudes had no Dragons anymore and Westeros should have said "sike bitch he's the True King" get lost." His smile at the end made it worth it though. Dude had no interest in being King and was glad to see the wall close. He just wanted a life of peace. Now he has it.

It would have taken a lot more convincing to get everyone to accept Aegon Targaryen as the just and rightful ruler right after Danaerys scorched that many innocent people. Even though they knew Jon did her in for it.

Also, Theon's sister still wanted Jon's head just for being a queenslayer.

If someone insisted on Jon ruling, there woulda been more wars, even without the Unsullied and Dothraki.

and he didn't even want to take on that responsibility

you think he wanted to stick around after he's killed his 2nd lover?

Unsullied were in control of the city and they didn't have a plan at the time they "punished" him

both the unsullied and Jon needed to just get away

And as someone above mentioned. There is no way they'd accept another Targaryen after what just happened. And with a Dragon still on the loose

Fuck yeah

there aint no way in hell the rest of the kingdoms would ride w/ the north just deciding to be independent. AND still have a stark run the rest of the kingdoms as well

>there aint no way in hell the rest of the kingdoms would ride
>w/ the north just deciding to be independent. AND still have a
>stark run the rest of the kingdoms as well

Everyone laughed at the Democracy idea. Seems they believe in Kings and Queens. If the Targaryans once ruled everything, why not the Starks who did it with honor??

Now its unbelievable that his family would end up king of everything? Yall impossible.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Jon will have an heir beyond the wall.

is being carried away dead by a dragon who just killed thousands of people for her.

Sam proposed something that could break the wheel, and everybody burst out laughing.

They're not ready to break the wheel. They settled for the best they could do.

?

They're just like...cool, raven kid is king now

?

Most of them did it because Bran's brother told them everyone would die if they didn't.

Yara was loyal to Dany but no one cares about the iron born

First the night king, then from Danyers. I think they earned the benefit of the doubt.

Write your own name in that fucking book. Sheesh.

-fucked his sister
-can't eat pussy
-a weak ass bitch
-fucks animals
-the stupidest lannister
-FUCKBOI

Brienne is a good one cause I woulda went off.

Ghost's a good puppy.

Yeah, Ghost's a good puppy.

Ghost's a good puppy.

Who's a good puppy?

Ghost's a good puppy.

>
>Ghost's a good puppy.
>
>Yeah, Ghost's a good puppy.
>
>Ghost's a good puppy.
>
>Who's a good puppy?
>
>Ghost's a good puppy.
>

dogs are loyal like that tho

He didn't scratch his neck, so OF COURSE he'd be back.

moral of the story, you drink titty milk you survive anything.

>moral of the story, you drink titty milk you survive
>anything.

I'm glad its over. It was amazing. but I'm satisfied. To me end end of it was when Drogon flew off, the rest was what happens after. Felt like Lord of the Rings.

I'm not mad. I enjoyed it.

>I'm glad its over. It was amazing. but I'm satisfied. To me
>end end of it was when Drogon flew off, the rest was what
>happens after. Felt like Lord of the Rings.
>
>I'm not mad. I enjoyed it.


When Dragon flew off I was sad as fuck. I guess I felt his pain lol.

the dragon flying off

How would Drogon know to burn the Iron Throne? whyyyyyyyy

I vaguely remember someone in some earlier season saying dragons were smarter than humans.

I actually love the supernatural aspect of the show, but there's been no building to this point. Somehow Drogon knew not kill the person that actually killed his "mom", but knew to destroy the chair? They gotta give me more character building for me to believe it.

>I actually love the supernatural aspect of the show, but
>there's been no building to this point. Somehow Drogon knew
>not kill the person that actually killed his "mom", but knew
>to destroy the chair? They gotta give me more character
>building for me to believe it.

At some point it was like brother against brother? A civil war for the throne I thought and the dragons fought against each other? There is a precedent set for internal dragon battles, but off the top of my head I can't remember it.

I gotta reread the books cause I'm forgetting basic shit.

And used in battle during the Blackfyre Rebellion.

If I recall, before the Doom happened the Targaryens were run out of Old Valyria by the other dragon families using dragons. Then the Doom happened and the Targaryens ended up being the only family left with dragons.

Cant remember where in the books but Dragons are known to be as smart as humans. That and Jon being a Targaryen. I bought it.

I think drogon knew he couldn't kill a targaryen

but it doesn't explain why he'd give a shit about a chair that he'd never seen and had no link to whatsoever.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Somebody on twitter wrote:

Have to confess I'm a little surprised Drogon can understand a complicated sociological metaphor but not a simple who-dun-it. (https://twitter.com/ZachWahls/status/1130288094471696386)

I'm fucking dying lol

Prolly hated it like i hated Brussel Sprouts

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Then saw a chair made out of the pointy things and attacked the pointy things.

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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

The dragons have been surrounded by armies

been through battles

with soldiers wielding swords to kill combatants

...and you think he melted the iron throne because it's made out of pointy things...

What?

>The dragons have been surrounded by armies
>
>been through battles
>
>with soldiers wielding swords to kill combatants
>
>...and you think he melted the iron throne because it's made
>out of pointy things...
>
>What?
>

killed her

If it was about pointy things...Jon had his Valyrian steel sword longclaw on his hip when he killed her

Burning the iron throne because it's made out of pointy things doesn't hold based on the fact that Jon had Longclaw on his hip

https://youtu.be/-j_Hk4TElsA?t=126

must be traumatized as fuck.

He has to torch a whole city of people and then his Mom gets murdered the very next day.

Jon going North is cool.
Sansa being Queen of the North is cool.
Not sure how I feel about Bran being King, I mean is he even a human?
Sorry Dragon Queen, your crazy ass had to go.
I do like the new group of advisors.

Not really sure how I feel about it, but the last two seasons, this show didn’t really hit me like it used to. If we ever see the last two books I think they will be better. Things definitely felt rushed in the end, they probably could have done two more seasons.

everything that happens makes sense, but instead of half a season, everything happens in like 3 minutes.

Just a gap in the far East end.

You've been watching the opening credits, right?

>
>Just a gap in the far East end.
>
>You've been watching the opening credits, right?
>

>

the Night's Watch is the Free Folk. And they're still there.

Thats why Tormund was there waiting for him. The Starks knew what they were doing. King Beyond The Wall

Gone forever? Who knows?

The wall wasn't destroyed at castle black... it was destroyed at that castle near the sea

Wasn't terrible, and things progressed in a logical if uninspired manner. I'm not mad at the things that happened, just the manner that they happened.

If show-runners want to go off and do movies, they have to give the show up to someone else to finish instead of trying to rush it. Them dudes got Star Wars because of Game Of Thrones, and then shit on Game Of Thrones to do Star Wars

They messed up the pilot and messed up the ending.

What's going on with the Dothraki, both those left in Westoros and those back in Essos? If the Westoros Dothraki go back across the Narrow Sea, is there going to be like a civil war? Do they go back to Khals or are they influenced by Westerosi culture? Does the culture shift due to the imbalance of genders? (there's gotta be a lot more women than men left at this point)

Really what's the purpose of the Night's Watch now? To guard against the 100 wildlings left? lol these fools are basically border patrol now, checking for stolen bear pelts and shit.

If I'm the Iron Islands, and I see the North is independent, why wouldn't I want to be independent too? In fact Dorne too. Like at this point, what keeps the entire country from splintering after one section leaves the kingdom?

Still think Arya should have been assassinated by the Faceless Men.

If I'm Drogon I go to Old Valryia, get my strength up, and come back to Westoros and burn everything, I'm going buckwild now with no 'parent' to control me.

If I'm Bran, I think I seriously consider moving my seat of power to another area. King's Landing, in my opinion, is way too toxic and the cost to rebuild would be too great. Let's start anew.

Fookin' Bron as the Lord of the Highgarden, you think Imma listen to a sellsword? Fuckkkk no, get him out the paint.

So really, what's going in Dorne? There's gotta be some sorta civil war going on, right? Where's the rest of the Sand Snakes? I don't see the people being happy that multiple members of the royal family were killed, both internally and externally.

Slaver's Bay - Do the masters take over again? What's gonna keep them from reverting back to slavery now that Dany's army and dragons are gone?

To accept the end points of every character. It's making my head hurt.

>What's going on with the Dothraki, both those left in
>Westoros and those back in Essos? If the Westoros Dothraki go
>back across the Narrow Sea, is there going to be like a civil
>war? Do they go back to Khals or are they influenced by
>Westerosi culture? Does the culture shift due to the imbalance
>of genders? (there's gotta be a lot more women than men left
>at this point)
>
>Really what's the purpose of the Night's Watch now? To guard
>against the 100 wildlings left? lol these fools are basically
>border patrol now, checking for stolen bear pelts and shit.
>
>If I'm the Iron Islands, and I see the North is independent,
>why wouldn't I want to be independent too? In fact Dorne too.
>Like at this point, what keeps the entire country from
>splintering after one section leaves the kingdom?
>
>Still think Arya should have been assassinated by the Faceless
>Men.
>
>If I'm Drogon I go to Old Valryia, get my strength up, and
>come back to Westoros and burn everything, I'm going buckwild
>now with no 'parent' to control me.
>
>If I'm Bran, I think I seriously consider moving my seat of
>power to another area. King's Landing, in my opinion, is way
>too toxic and the cost to rebuild would be too great. Let's
>start anew.
>
>Fookin' Bron as the Lord of the Highgarden, you think Imma
>listen to a sellsword? Fuckkkk no, get him out the paint.
>
>So really, what's going in Dorne? There's gotta be some sorta
>civil war going on, right? Where's the rest of the Sand
>Snakes? I don't see the people being happy that multiple
>members of the royal family were killed, both internally and
>externally.
>
>Slaver's Bay - Do the masters take over again? What's gonna
>keep them from reverting back to slavery now that Dany's army
>and dragons are gone?

>What's going on with the Dothraki, both those left in
>Westoros and those back in Essos? If the Westoros Dothraki go
>back across the Narrow Sea, is there going to be like a civil
>war? Do they go back to Khals or are they influenced by
>Westerosi culture? Does the culture shift due to the imbalance
>of genders? (there's gotta be a lot more women than men left
>at this point)

Interesting point. I was thinking that too. Where did the Dothraki even go? Settling in Kings Landing? Raiding the countryside? Maybe some or all of them took off with the Unsullied. But I don't think the show owes us the answer to what happens to Dothraki culture down the line.

And we'll probably

>Really what's the purpose of the Night's Watch now? To guard
>against the 100 wildlings left? lol these fools are basically
>border patrol now, checking for stolen bear pelts and shit.

True, but even Tyrion said, there's always gotta be somewhere to send broken and lost men. And for real, how many people really know about the Night King and everything that happened outside of the North? For all Dorne and Highgarden know, maybe they still need that shit. Either way, still useful for dumping people.
>
>If I'm the Iron Islands, and I see the North is independent,
>why wouldn't I want to be independent too? In fact Dorne too.
>Like at this point, what keeps the entire country from
>splintering after one section leaves the kingdom?

Good point. But the North has always been independent. Only instead of having a warden, they have a Queen and are more officially their own thing.

>
>Still think Arya should have been assassinated by the Faceless
>Men.

Why for?

>
>If I'm Drogon I go to Old Valryia, get my strength up, and
>come back to Westoros and burn everything, I'm going buckwild
>now with no 'parent' to control me.

Nah. That dude gonna go somewhere and gorge himself on roast lamb.

>If I'm Bran, I think I seriously consider moving my seat of
>power to another area. King's Landing, in my opinion, is way
>too toxic and the cost to rebuild would be too great. Let's
>start anew.
>
>Fookin' Bron as the Lord of the Highgarden, you think Imma
>listen to a sellsword? Fuckkkk no, get him out the paint.

True. But then again I wonder if he ever really got Highgarden? He wasn't at the gathering where they chose the king was he? Cause Highgarden would be represented there. Maybe he took Master of Coin instead? I gotta go back and look again.

>
>So really, what's going in Dorne? There's gotta be some sorta
>civil war going on, right? Where's the rest of the Sand
>Snakes? I don't see the people being happy that multiple
>members of the royal family were killed, both internally and
>externally.

Uh, all the sand snakes got murked. I know the books says there were 8, but I think certain things between the book and show are held to be seperate. But who knows. And the show was never focused on Dorne. Can't say I care too much about their royal shennanigans.

>
>Slaver's Bay - Do the masters take over again? What's gonna
>keep them from reverting back to slavery now that Dany's army
>and dragons are gone?

I think them cats beeeen took shit back. Like as soon as Dany got on the boat. But again, they don't owe us the forever history of every place in the show.

______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>>What's going on with the Dothraki, both those left in
>>Westoros and those back in Essos? If the Westoros Dothraki
>go
>>back across the Narrow Sea, is there going to be like a
>civil
>>war? Do they go back to Khals or are they influenced by
>>Westerosi culture? Does the culture shift due to the
>imbalance
>>of genders? (there's gotta be a lot more women than men left
>>at this point)
>
>Interesting point. I was thinking that too. Where did the
>Dothraki even go? Settling in Kings Landing? Raiding the
>countryside? Maybe some or all of them took off with the
>Unsullied. But I don't think the show owes us the answer to
>what happens to Dothraki culture down the line.

IMO they do. Dany was shaped by her time with the Dothraki both as a person and as a leader, so at a very minimum they can do us the respect of showing the changes a post-Dany world looks like for the Dothraki. Additionally, both the show and books have been terrible towards the characters of color. It'd be nice to have some sense of
self realization that they need to do better by the non-white characters and pay at least one Essosi ethnic group some respect.

>
>>Really what's the purpose of the Night's Watch now? To guard
>>against the 100 wildlings left? lol these fools are
>basically
>>border patrol now, checking for stolen bear pelts and shit.
>
>True, but even Tyrion said, there's always gotta be somewhere
>to send broken and lost men. And for real, how many people
>really know about the Night King and everything that happened
>outside of the North? For all Dorne and Highgarden know, maybe
>they still need that shit. Either way, still useful for
>dumping people.
>>

It's a waste then. Just build a big ass prison if you need to crime deterrent, don't have these fools out in the cold fighting squirrels and shit for no reason.

>>If I'm the Iron Islands, and I see the North is independent,
>>why wouldn't I want to be independent too? In fact Dorne
>too.
>>Like at this point, what keeps the entire country from
>>splintering after one section leaves the kingdom?
>
>Good point. But the North has always been independent. Only
>instead of having a warden, they have a Queen and are more
>officially their own thing.
>
>>
>>Still think Arya should have been assassinated by the
>Faceless
>>Men.
>
>Why for?

The House of Black and White imo is too powerful to let Arya infiltrate them, learn their secrets and fighting styles, then let her live after it is been very clearly showcased that the many faced god is owed a debt. The Faceless Men have a monopoly on a certain type of assassin for hire, and what's to stop Arya from going out and starting her own guild of killers? From a business perspective, Arya has stolen trade secrets and can potential undermine their business.

>>
>>If I'm Drogon I go to Old Valryia, get my strength up, and
>>come back to Westoros and burn everything, I'm going
>buckwild
>>now with no 'parent' to control me.
>
>Nah. That dude gonna go somewhere and gorge himself on roast
>lamb.

If Dragon is really as smart as they say, why wouldn't he come back and wreck havoc? At this point all human's look like prey, and he is a powerful predator.

>>If I'm Bran, I think I seriously consider moving my seat of
>>power to another area. King's Landing, in my opinion, is way
>>too toxic and the cost to rebuild would be too great. Let's
>>start anew.
>>
>>Fookin' Bron as the Lord of the Highgarden, you think Imma
>>listen to a sellsword? Fuckkkk no, get him out the paint.
>
>True. But then again I wonder if he ever really got
>Highgarden? He wasn't at the gathering where they chose the
>king was he? Cause Highgarden would be represented there.
>Maybe he took Master of Coin instead? I gotta go back and look
>again.

He was given both Highgarden and MAster of Coin. At the Small Council meeting Tyrion called out his titles and asked of the crown had fulfilled his debt to him.

>>
>>So really, what's going in Dorne? There's gotta be some
>sorta
>>civil war going on, right? Where's the rest of the Sand
>>Snakes? I don't see the people being happy that multiple
>>members of the royal family were killed, both internally and
>>externally.
>
>Uh, all the sand snakes got murked. I know the books says
>there were 8, but I think certain things between the book and
>show are held to be seperate. But who knows. And the show was
>never focused on Dorne. Can't say I care too much about their
>royal shennanigans.

True, the Sand Snakes were more tumorous in the books, but why spend an entire season there just for it to go nowhere? It doesn't have to be open-ended, but this is basically a whole ass country who's going on is up in the air.

>>
>>Slaver's Bay - Do the masters take over again? What's gonna
>>keep them from reverting back to slavery now that Dany's
>army
>>and dragons are gone?
>
>I think them cats beeeen took shit back. Like as soon as Dany
>got on the boat. But again, they don't owe us the forever
>history of every place in the show.

I agree with the slavers taking over again immediately, but this was a major part of Dany's arc. The whole situation speaks to george martin's intention in writing the book, that is you have these heros making this grand gestures, winning the battles, but there's always the after. Robert won the crown, and was a terrible king for the realm. Dany freed the slaves, and it would be my guess that the slaves ended up worse than where they started. But we need to see it, wee what happens in a post liberation situation.

As with everything, it's not just winning the battles that count, but it's the long term effects that win will have.

>IMO they do. Dany was shaped by her time with the Dothraki
>both as a person and as a leader, so at a very minimum they
>can do us the respect of showing the changes a post-Dany world
>looks like for the Dothraki. Additionally, both the show and
>books have been terrible towards the characters of color. It'd
>be nice to have some sense of
>self realization that they need to do better by the non-white
>characters and pay at least one Essosi ethnic group some
>respect.

Yeah but a story has to actually end at some point. And if they did this, it just would have been some montage-y corniness. I think how she was shaped by the Dothraki came out in who she became, so we got that. But a whole visual dissertation on post-Khaleesi Dothraki customs and social upheaval would just be out of place since we haven't seen Essos in a number of years, and nothing happening there now is part of the story that's being followed.


>It's a waste then. Just build a big ass prison if you need to
>crime deterrent, don't have these fools out in the cold
>fighting squirrels and shit for no reason.

Maybe so, but keep in mind the war JUST ended. And most people probably weren't even aware of the threat. They haven't figured it out yet and most likely won't for some time. And a flash forward showing what they do with the wall for the next 100 is pointless. Save it for the inevitable spin-off show.

>The House of Black and White imo is too powerful to let Arya
>infiltrate them, learn their secrets and fighting styles, then
>let her live after it is been very clearly showcased that the
>many faced god is owed a debt. The Faceless Men have a
>monopoly on a certain type of assassin for hire, and what's to
>stop Arya from going out and starting her own guild of
>killers? From a business perspective, Arya has stolen trade
>secrets and can potential undermine their business.

Yeah, but nah. They evidently have dudes running around in the wild anyways. That's how Arya met Jaquen Haquar (or whatever his name was) in the first place. It's probably not how they're run. How you gonna be the premier assassins and they all live under one roof. Gotta have peeps across the world to do business and recruit folks too. And Arya didn't really infiltrate them. She joined. They knew why she joined. Her purpose wasn't hidden. Breaking her down was one of the first things they did. It's really not the same as a 20th century business. Bammas ain't franchising assassinations.


>If Dragon is really as smart as they say, why wouldn't he come
>back and wreck havoc? At this point all human's look like
>prey, and he is a powerful predator.

eh. He's also a Dragon. While he showed blips of intelligence, he's a dragon. Can't assign human motivations to him. Plus he saw his brothers get taken out. Without a pilot like Dany, he might might get murked jive quick once more scorpions get built. I just think it's more likely he's gonna do some wild animal shit cause that's what he is. He'll hunt, eat and survive.


>True, the Sand Snakes were more tumorous in the books, but why
>spend an entire season there just for it to go nowhere? It
>doesn't have to be open-ended, but this is basically a whole
>ass country who's going on is up in the air.

I think we know as much as we need to about Dorne. They got a new ruler after the others got murked. Their service to the main story in Kings Landing is complete. Shit, we don't know what's going on a River Run, the Towers after the Freys died or the Aerie after ole boy lost his mama's titties to suck on. I just think some things just are what they are, and at some point a story gotta end. And none of these are maddeningly dangling open threads that change the outcome or give it any more flavor.

Dany freed the
>slaves, and it would be my guess that the slaves ended up
>worse than where they started. But we need to see it, wee what
>happens in a post liberation situation.

Yeah, I think we saw the after already. Or as much of it as we will see in this show. She freed them slaves and left 2-3 seasons ago. It would just be odd to jump back there and see what's happening when none of the characters we care about are there or being affected by what's going on there.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

The easy, pat answers make people mad.

The unbelievable, unexpected answers make people mad.

People got into this show because it has a big world, big mythology, and all kinds of possibilities to imagine.

Let people use their imaginations about where a few things end up.

they could choose to follow one or two of those characters and show what happens. it would make more sense that its a time jump with different actors.

dont think it would happen and not really interested in seeing that.

Lotta fucking stairs in that city. Ramp building business is going to be booming.

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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

I paused it and just about logged in to say "called it!"

Glad I didn't, though. That idea didn't go over well.

It was sooooooo close though

I enjoyed the episode, but at that point everything was falling into place WAY too easily.

"Oh my God what a ridiculous idea."

what I just did"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I was cringing waiting for Royce to even suggest that shit

>
>I paused it and just about logged in to say "called it!"
>
>Glad I didn't, though. That idea didn't go over well.
>

But that really would have been "Okay, it's all starting over again." At least HIS crazy mother is already dead.

Though I am not sure of him going North of the wall meant.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Everyone separating when he walked through. Him riding ahead of everyone like a King. He's a legend to the Free Folk and anyone else in the North.

he died...

nights watch til death

I don't see Brienne becoming Kingsguard without some line of succession for her island. She's her father's last living child, so who will take over as Lord on Tarth once he dies? Kingsguard can't marry or sire children I thought.

You are worried about Tarth. Even people who live in Westeros don’t give a shit about Tarth.

If the slavers attack, which imo they have a solid justification to do so, you want some sort of first line of defense on the island against the invaders. Tarth has the potential to be important, and if you're trying to shape the country for the future, you have to look at all the angles.

Beyond that, I love Brienne and want to see more of story lol.

of the Vale

your baby formula.

it's too bad they rushed these last two seasons. felt like 3-4 seasons worth of material based on the original pacing (and travel speed) of the show

I will say that Jon living in the true north among the free folk was the right decision (and one that I called). Got to live the rest of his life with his direwolf, as neither a Stark or a Targaryen.

I guess Arya striking out on her own made sense to. She needed to move beyond being a servant of death.

They had to offer some hope, because last episode was about characters not changing at all. And Martin, believe or not, is not a nihillist.

Most of the rest was just kind of dumb. Not offensively dumb, but just anti-climactic.

but they clearly lost the plot getting there

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I mean, having more blood and war wouldn't have worked either, and they've done mostly talking episodes well, but this was pretty... bland.

that Dany didn't mean to burn down the city, that Drogon was out of control because Bran had warged into him, and Bran had actually been under the control of the Night King ever since he'd been touched.

That could have set up a more interesting ending (and been more in keeping with the global warming analogy), but it also would have made people mad all over again.

I'm happy with how they ended it, though. This episode could never have been truly satisfying, but it ended up making me smile.

As much as I'm not a fan of what the D&D have been up to this season, a lot of the fan theories are awful.

And I do believe that they need to end it on a largely positive note, after the unrelenting grimness of the past few episodes.

As someone said, it turned out to be just kind of an episode of television. I guess that's better than swinging and missing big time.

Im not mad at the ending, i just wanted more story getting there. I saw a meme that said they changed the main villain three episodes in a row

Whole thing became a race to hit various plot pints with no care to how they arrived at them.

aka the most useless sellwords in the history of fighting. To be honest, btw the debt to the iron bank, the debt to the lannisters (I guess Tyrion did eventually inherit casterly rock by default), the cost of repairing king's landing, and the general wartime debt I'm positive the crown must have accumulated, who would even want to sit on the throne? I can't imagine trying to get out of the gigantic cavern of debt the crown has.

With everything they took from Highgarden? They paid what they owed and still had enough to hire the Gold Company.

That's why I thought they were going to have the Iron Bank back Dany. But another plot thread left danglling.

And paid for the Golden Company with the money they got when they took High Garden last season.

So Bran doesn’t owe anything to the Iron Bank.

She used that Highgarden money to pay off the Iron Bank debt, then immediately borrowed more money to pay for the golden company.

Now I'm second guessing myself, but she basically did a medieval style payday loan (if I recall correctly lolll)

Pay off existing debt and then buy the Golden Company but I could be wrong on that second one. Maybe she did take a new loan out to get the Golden Company.

A. that was Lannister debt, and House Lannister still exists, so it would be there debt, but...

B. The Highgarden heist paid the debts and paid for the Golden Company. and

C. At the very end, I beleive Bronn, the master of coin basically said the realm is pretty good money wise at the moment, so I don't believe they gonna have a lien on the Red Keep anytime soon.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

with Bran and his pet ravens just incidentally tagging along, and Westeros is all set as far as money goes.

>A. that was Lannister debt, and House Lannister still exists,
>so it would be there debt, but...

The Lannister mines ran dry years ago, so why would the Iron Bank extend that type of money to them? This was the Queen's debt with the realm as the cosigner.

>B. The Highgarden heist paid the debts and paid for the Golden
>Company. and

Highgarden heist paid the old debts, not the new debts. https://youtu.be/qX04wQ4PN0k?t=161

>C. At the very end, I beleive Bronn, the master of coin
>basically said the realm is pretty good money wise at the
>moment, so I don't believe they gonna have a lien on the Red
>Keep anytime soon.

lolllll there is no way a country just got out of what, four years of fighting and wars and didn't incur massive amounts of debt. I don't know if there are any historical precedent where a government or country fights a war and didn't end up with a shitload of debt.

I dont know how it works but I don't think that's how it works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX04wQ4PN0k - around 2:40 the entire scene sets her up to borrow money for the Golden Company.

Which is why he couldn't fuck with the Lannisters (A message Ned just ignored)

So i figured this is an extension of all that. Robert owes Tywin, Tywin owes the Iron bank, Joffrey, Tommen, Cersei take over.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX04wQ4PN0k - around 2:40 the
>entire scene sets her up to borrow money for the Golden
>Company.

It ain’t like the Unsullied are going to check on him

Ending tried to be like LORD of the Rings without the earned emotion that that series delivered.

At every individual moment I was having a good time and nodding my head (Tyrion, you killllllllllllllled it last night!) but if I hadn't been obsessively reading about super fan theories and listening to Binge Mode all month the Bran thing would've thrown me off a fucking cliff man.


Again, I had a good time, but it is WILD that HBO allowed the showrunners to sabotage this whole thing by throwing their hands in the air, cutting corners on their homework and Aunt Beckying their way into Star Wars in the process.


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All i can think is HBO is known for not butting in and they let their artists do things on their own terms. Thats an amazing thing and why HBO has an amazing track record. I dont think they bet on the creators fucking doing a Cliff's Notes version just so they can dip out and do Star Wars. Those assholes should have let someone else finish the show with the time it needed

His kids and nephew literally rule the entire world

The "lolwut?" look everyone gave him...that was funny.

i deadass forgot about edmure so i was wondering who tf he was. im thinking like "damn this nigga bold to show up for the first time, in the last episode and stake his claim"

Probably wrote it while he was down there and thought he'd get a different reaction.

"Sit you 5 dolla ass done before I have Arya make change!"

how did everyone else not just go "well then, us too?" Especially Yara, the whole reason she got involved in this to begin with was independence for the Iron Islands. It was the only part of the Seven Kingdoms that Dany agreed to let be independent, and every Ironborn (whether they were Team Euron or Team Yara) was following someone who called themselves a king or queen of the Iron Islands.

But they're all just going to be cool with bending the knee to King Robot Boy The Bland? Because he "has a good story?"

Also, why not just make the Riverlands a kingdom, so you can still call it the Seven Kingdoms?

they've been fighting war after war after war

they literally didn't give a fuck bc it was a return to normalcy anyway

most of those places had to kneel to a king to the south or a king to a north so that was a moment of them knowing their place and wanting shit to end

the fight against the dead was enough to leave the north to be the north

I was wondering in that moment how many thought "fuck, we could do that?"

Number one, the North being independent was pretty much semantics anyways. Like they said, the North has been pretty much independent for thousands of years anyway.

Secondly, you see how they all reacted to Sam's suggestion of having democracy. I think the Lords and Ladies present just wanted the kingdoms to stay the kingdoms.

Plus they just finished one big ass war for ruling status. They all go independent, that's possibly six more fucking wars to fight to determine six more rulers and their status. Fuck that.
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but.....

Fuck aliens.

at the meeting where they chose the new King.

Ser Davos and the guy next to Sam.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/20/18632198/game-of-thrones-season-8-finale-the-iron-throne-water-bottle-coffee-cup-sam-tarly

and who the fuck keeps freezing frames looking for cups.

apparently Brienne and Podrick are staying with Bran in King's Landing, we all know how cutthroat that place can be and the history of Stark men in the south. And I don't trust Tyrion's ass as far as I could throw him.

Also at Winterfell who has Sansa's back now? Y'all know her haughty ass has a tendency to rub people the wrong way.

https://twitter.com/CarolineSiede/status/1130139274505052160


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Because if so, that's a really dumb explanation.

My favorite part of this season is watching all the Dany fans that thought this was strictly some sort of feminist show attempt to either justify her actions or ignore evidence in order to point out why they did her character wrong. Tyrion killed Shae because she lied to get him executed, fucked his dad, and (as the twitter person conveniently forgot) was reaching for a fucking dagger to attack him. It wasnt just because she didnt love him.

that her biggest fans thought her to be.

THAT is where the episode should have ended. It would have been a neat poetic ending.

They lost me when they just kept going and going and going and explaining the ends of all stories. No need to tell us or show us, it was already said.

What a shit show. I loved it but the last two seasons just lost the plot.

until i gave it a little bit of thought lol

what happened was cool, the endings folks got. it was just done in such a cheap way. lazy writing for sure. pace was all off.

i do wonder how much of this will line up with the books. i read last night that GRRM only gave them three things that will be in the final books. shireen dying, hodors name and some unnamed twist.

the thing that bugged me the most was bran being proclaimed king. not because he shouldnt be but i just dont believe he made any sort of connection with anyone that would justify their support.

lots of connecting the dots needed so it makes sense.

Bran is.

Yet their suppossed to accept him as their king? With what army? I'm sure Sansa took all her people back North. Greyworm and the Unsullied killed everybody else then sailed away. What happens with the Dothraki even though they made it look like they almost all died against the White Walkers lol

He fell out a tower, couldn't walk, got dragged north and became some kind of tree god, now he just looks like that all the time.

How is that going to play with anyone who wasn't sitting in that meeting?

I mean, the Starks are basically the Westerosi Kardashians. Everybody was in their business, and everyone was at Winterfell. I'm sure word got around.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

You saw that collection of lords of Westeros' nobile families in the arena. Were any of them "rule the realm" material? And picking Sansa would have gone against her entire character arc. So, if there ***has**** to be a king, than Bran? I guess?

It was the most underwhelming point of the finale. They kind of boxed themselves into a corner there.

At least of those assembled. He was the son of one of the previous Kings, so he has the most legit ties to the Baratheon line. Which is pretty much how Robert became King in the first place (he had a distant relative that was a Targaryen). And if we’re counting “stories,” he is pretty good too: former blacksmith who help fight off the White Walkers bothe beyond the Wall and in Westeros? That is also a better story than most.

or wouldnt give someone a leg up to be king.

the last three eyed raven lived for 1000 years right?? was that because he was in the tree? will bran live for hundreds of years?

They won the North and they have won the South. Jon is the most popular person in Westeros and killer of a tyrant. If Jon crowned himself a lot of people would have gone for it and fought with him. Shit same if Sansa declared herself the queen of Westeros.

But even better than taking the throne for themselves offer a new way forward with their new found power that isn't a power grab. They declare independence for the North, take power everywhere else for now and do away with the hereditary throne. It's an outcome everyone can get behind who doesn't want any more war.


I think what Bran represents is wiping the slate clean of Targyrens, Baretheons, Lannisters and putting a new system in place that breaks the wheel and is more fair...it also reflects that the Starks were running shit by the end.

Ned Won.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...and Cersei's lead to her own death. They just didn't build a convincing means to get to that end. Bran being King "because he has a good story" doesn't stand up to much thought.

Jon is problematic having killed Dany and Sansa's primary interest is Northern Independence.

He got the role not because he is the most charismatic or popular among the Lords, he got it because he is the least threat to the lords and the less likely to lead to another war.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It would have felt too much like we were ending up right where we started.

It's been a while since I watched season 1, but I remember a lot of talk, from Robert and others, about how there was no reason for him to be King. He was skilled at winning battles and fighting in wars, but he didn't care at all about what his job was now. He thought it was tedious, and it had nothing to do with how he got there or how he wanted to live his life.

Cersei failed because she wanted too much power. Robert was failing because he wanted too much independence from responsibilities. It's kinda trite, but all that stuff with Bran "not desiring anything" was set up just for this. Bran was the one person in Westeros who could just see it as just a job.

I'm just saying I have a pretty much impossible time buying that those particular characters gathered there at that particular time would pick Bran to be King. And Tyrion's logic for picking him is pretty faulty. Those leaders of noble houses would pick the bonafide war hero of the kid who fell out of a window and became an all-seeing tree person (which most people wouldn't buy anyway).

It's another of the litany of examples that have been populating these posts of the writers have an end in mind, then reverse engineering it to make it happen.

Just turn it into seven independent kingdoms.

Even though I was aware of the leaks, I thought they'd end up being a misdirect --- that the kingdoms would separate, King's Landing would just be left a ruin and a memorial to the folly of war, and Bran would go north with Jon and live under a tree.

He's the only one there (along with Davos) who actually grew up in King's Landing. Those were his people being BBQ'd last week. If he wouldn't have gone on that dumbass voyage to capture a wight last season, he probably would have been burned to death with the others.

Still think they did a shit job trying to cram everything into 5 episodes. The biggest miss for me was the romance between Jon and Dany. They fucked on a boat once.

Not sure about King Bran.
"Your grace, the dragon came back and flamed all our crops and took a shit so big it's blocking access in and out of the city. What should we do?"

"We should do all weve ever done and will do"

"......yes your grace"

Also I feel like "Bran the Broken" is mad disrespectful. Dude can see all of the future and the past and theyre just like "oh yeah the cripple wheelchair guy!"

sansa outchea reminding the world his dick doesnt even work smh. broad a hater until the fucking end i swear.

>sansa outchea reminding the world his dick doesnt even work
>smh. broad a hater until the fucking end i swear.

* - because her Stans gotta eat her being an ableist trash bag, LMAO

"...and he can't father children either!"
*Bran staring blank faced into the distance*

.

She has too much Cersei and Littlefinger in her in my opinion. Now I will grant she has the best background to successfully run a country, (esp as compared to Bronn, Gendry, and Robin) but she's sneaky and shady. She would really need somebody to balance her out, make her less isolationist and more trustful.

>sansa outchea reminding the world his dick doesnt even work
>smh. broad a hater until the fucking end i swear.

Sansa saved the North using her pragmatic logic and she's still the evil bitch

right...

a little too much brandy and a few too many San Miguels, and some of the aunties and uncles go too hard.

Like, in the end, how did it impact the story? Drive a "wedge" between him and Dany? Allow it to be something that Tyrion can guilt him with to kill Dany? Those beats could have been exactly the same if he was just "Jon Snow, honorable bastard son of honorable man Ned Stark."

Only way it really affected the story was providing a means to kill Varys.

only to, I guess, make him pretty much the only person who can kill a king due to him being the "rightful" king?

Grey Worm seemed like a character the scribbled out at the end, which was weird and we still don't know why the fuck the Night King did a damn thing.

It absolutely had no effect on the plot

...and now that I think about it...

How is Jon being a Targaryn even a secret

MFers watched him fly on a dragon...but nobody could figure out he had dragon blood...?

I felt like after he was brought back from the dead

everybody was following him like he was a king

And that was pretty much the evolution of his character

He would do the right thing for his people, no matter how hard

So yeah...wtf was the point of revealing he was the one true king...

When he was already the people's king
Should have been figured out already
...and decided to be King beyond the wall anyway...

Literally didn't matter.

Her "selfish" or "entitled" perspective for all of her life's ambition was circled around the idea that HER true place was in the iron throne. It was REALLY a great opportunity to flesh out Dany with that plot conflict that the person she loves was rightfully king. They didn't execute it well but the betrayal of John to her was that he conceded to her to be Queen, but didn't keep it secret, which is supposed to justify why she decided to flip the script and burn down all of King's Landing. It was sloppily done but had the potential to be a better narrative device.

The Jon reveal with the music. the shot leading to "King In The North." I was so hyped. I thought King Jon versus The Night King was coming, North vs The South. etc etc The fact that they sidelined him and then had him bend the knee was such a letdown.

I thought King Jon versus The
>Night King was coming, North vs The South. etc etc The fact
>that they sidelined him and then had him bend the knee was
>such a letdown.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

followed by "that's what y'all niggas get"

- underwhelming ends for Cersei and InKast Lannister
- Brienne stuck holding the bag chasing after InKast
- Jon on some "fuck this shit", ditto to Arya
- Dragon Drone Warrior catching a L after going U.S. Department of Defense (favorite part)
- Tyrion didn't job
- Starks Dunked On Fools. (Though, I do like that they had to put Sansa in the Glad Bag a little w/that protest to Degrassi Drake getting the throne. ALL YO HEROES ARE TRASH)

completely pointless.

Like everything else, the Jamie/Brienne thing needed more time than a half an episode arc

I'm out on that shit.

Ya'll gonna watch?

Maybe the stumble to the finish line for the series makes MFers start reading books...

Started with this ominous ash and darkness and rejuvenated full squads of Dothraki and unsullied. Dragon roars, were gonna take over the world.. then it was over.

Also you never believe Jon is considering going along. I know theyre showing he's lying to himself but maybe his rationalizations would play better of he and Dany ever had any chemistry, and maybe we would feel they did if they did more than ride dragons for a few minutes and fuck on a boat

Season long arc stuff but we get bullet points

it's pretty clear that the last two seasons would have been better as four or five seasons.

but they stopped showing the work

the rest of the country now.

Khaleesi's dead, you're in this crazy country with a bunch of assholes and none of them know how to fight you and their king is some weird kid who just looks like he swallowed too much ice cream at once and the brain freeze is hitting. It's on.

Yeah, I don't buy the kumbaya moment...

A child in a wheelchair being King feels like an invite to more challenges IMO

especially since they seem to multiply so fast

there are so many little things, in this series that were dangled as significant, then didn't get wrapped up, so whatevs... but when he peaced out to Theon and did his wargy thing, and then nothing ever happened and it was never explained why he did it? That one in particular is gonna give me a brain bubble.

Fun series with some really great moments, i guess. I'll probably pass on the related series, though.

that's where i get lost. He turned into some birds, but then what? He just wanted a better view of the battle?

for the last time he thought.

maybe researching Westerosi wheel chair accessories?

There was that time it went poorly for him.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and then just never brought that up again?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

and pretty much ready to roll with whatever. It looked significant, but it was basically Benioff and Weiss shooting an epic Iron Maiden video or something.

The Bran one isn't really more significant than any of the other issues either, it's just the one that sticks with me personally for some reason i can't even articulate.

some of these things and decided to edit them out due to running time?

or they just didnt care?

It was still fun, they just didn't do as great a job connecting dots and they did in the past. So it looked super important and symbolic, but then was like 'oh she found a horse'.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

The Twin Peaks fan in me got all excited about the symbolism.

But it didn't go anywhere at all. She was still in town, without a horse, by the start of the next episode. She might as well have been sitting on some stairs between episodes 5 and 6.

Unless there was some green-eyed person that she ran off and quietly killed off-screen.

***Drogon melts down the Iron Throne***

An embarrassing, cringe worthy ending to a shit season.

A show that had everything was turned into a ridiculous mess with some of the worst writing and plot contrivances ever.

Thank fuck it's over.

Jon kills Greyworm in hand to hand combat. Dany sticks Drogon and Jon but he is impervious to his flames and Drogon won't kill his own kind. Then Dany won't accept Jon's hand as she is dangling on a cliff? Is that what people really wanted?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

god damn that gets old

gray worm stepping in front and dany letting him through. it just doesnt make sense that they would let jon in with her alone.

or maybe showing some characters having segways or hoverboards to explain how they got to certain spots before other characters.

of Unsullied and Dothraki but apparently they were all napping including the dragon long enough for it to be covered in "snow" but the dragon could smell Jon's Targaryb blood so it let him slide by to kill his mama.

But he gets to walk straight up to the new queen with both his sword and dagger...

>But he gets to walk straight up to the new queen with both
>his sword and dagger...

It's not a one of the other thing, which the two options are what we got vs. "an Avengers style battle." I don't see anyone in this thread arguing that what this episode needed was another known down drag out battle. What it needed was better development to earn this end.

On twitter there has been a lot of complaints about easily Dany was dispatched.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>On twitter there has been a lot of complaints about easily
>Dany was dispatched.

I'll never to explain the stupidity displayed on Twitter.

but I didn’t need Avengers, just a bit more drama.

Usually all the big action/drama happens in the second to last episode, within the final episode setting up everything to come, with only occasionally a big death thrown in. The finale followed suit in that regard.

Nobody in here seems to want that at all

Did we need the damsel in distress you mention...no

But

Now that the series has completed

...and after 7 seasons of buildup...

Do you think the NK battle fulfilled 7 seasons of buildup?

7 seasons of...winter is coming

7 seasons of...the night is dark and full of terror

The battle of winterfell should have been a benchmark

Now that it's over

It doesn't even rank in the top battle scenes of GOT.

It should have been EPIC

The forced narratives and drama...is exactly why it will be forgotten

Compare...

"Jon kills Greyworm in hand to hand combat. Dany sticks Drogon and Jon but he is impervious to his flames and Drogon won't kill his own kind. Then Dany won't accept Jon's hand as she is dangling on a cliff? Is that what people really wanted"

Is it that far off from what we got?

Geryworm falls victim to Tyrion's ploy
Drogon basically did what you allude to...without turning flames on Jon...probably already knew he wouldn't burn...right?
Jon didn't save her...but still decided her fate

time to edit?

They just didn't spend any time focusing on the aftermath of it.

If that NK battle was the end of a season and the next season ended with the battle of Kingslanding and in between we see the impact of the NK Battle and Dany turning bad, it all would have seen more epic.

Instead in 6 episodes they did what should have been done in 12.




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

So, ignoring all the issues that I mentioned before, the hound wouldn't have stood out as much anymore. After Dany's attack on King's Landing, you're going to have thousands, maybe tens of thousands of people with horrific burns. Btw that and the soldiers with war wounds, the hound would have fit in.

Yeah he still has this reputation as a Lannister dog, and his attitude is surly and anti-social, but you're going to have a gang of survivors with ptsd and horrific burns, and he would have fit right in. He could have found a post-war family.

Additionally (and I'll always stand by this) it's pretty obvious that the hound's lack of romantic life was written by a man. A super tall muscular man who is one of the best fighters in the country would have no issues getting pussy, fucked up face or not. He would have found a lil serving girl to be boo'd up with and raised a family.

tyrion never got laid again.

sure he's fucked up over killing his girl.

but he'd get bakc on his bullshit eventually.

the people who made the show really couldn't imagine a disabled person fucking unless they have jamie lannister's face.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

In general I always felt that Tyrion could have found someone - he's smart, loyal to a fault, brave, funny. Beyond the height and the facial injury he has a lot to offer. Never noticed that the show never even tried to pair him up again after Shae, shit's fucked up.

could've gotten some and probably did was just an unnecessary part of the story lol

or because no one would want him (we saw him bark that girl away at Winterfell). He may have certainly felt that way, but the Hound pushed away anything that resembled an emotional connection, including friendship. That's why the only thing he ever talked passionately about was killing. The only time he used the word love was about the love of killing people. Anything else was weakness. Arya was the closest a human being cracked him.

After they beat the NK he jokes Gentry about looking for Arya (for some ass) and then tells him he needs to go on and get it since he is still alive.

Sansa tried to hook him up but he has no interest. Only thing on his mind is revenge.

Basically tells Arya to not end up like him because al he is consumed with is revenge.

he could have gotten laid to his heart's content at the feast after that battle. He just had other priorities.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>After they beat the NK he jokes Gentry about looking for Arya
>(for some ass) and then tells him he needs to go on and get it
>since he is still alive.
>
>Sansa tried to hook him up but he has no interest. Only thing
>on his mind is revenge.
>
>Basically tells Arya to not end up like him because al he is
>consumed with is revenge.

>Additionally (and I'll always stand by this) it's pretty
>obvious that the hound's lack of romantic life was written by
>a man. A super tall muscular man who is one of the best
>fighters in the country would have no issues getting pussy,
>fucked up face or not. He would have found a lil serving girl
>to be boo'd up with and raised a family.

Some "futher adventures of Arya!" shit as she tries to find what's West of Westeros.

to do something else.

I'm sure she won't be cheap to keep around, but I'm also sure HBO REALLY wants to do what it takes to get it done.

different actors

I'm betting that when they do a spinoff, it'll be in a different time period in Westeros. Like a prequel with young Ned and Robert or a sequel showing how the events of GOT shaped Westeros over the next 25 years or so.
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but.....

Fuck aliens.

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>Some "futher adventures of Arya!" shit as she tries to find
>what's West of Westeros.

No spin-offs please.

According to GRRM, they have like five or six ideas for spinoffs, but only one at the moment has some traction.

We'll see some form of GOT in the future, trust.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Part of the reason they had the lengthy "His Dark Materials" and "Westworld" teasers before the finale. On some, "Hey, don't drop us! We've got more awesome shows! We promise!"

So they're probably looking into whatever means they can to prevent million from dropping the station from their cable plans. And crafting a spin-off around the show's most beloved remaining character is probably a good place to start.

But yeah, they already have a bunch of other spin-offs in the works regardless. Mostly prequels.

overthrown then they install the 2 of the weakest characters in the show as king and queen with minimal support and its like "sure, that'll work" lol

>overthrown then they install the 2 of the weakest characters
>in the show as king and queen

- She escaped Joffrey and Cersei
- She escaped Ramsay Bolton and orchestrated his defeat in battle and his personal death
- She played Littlefinger
- She came back to Winterfell and ran The North while Arya and Jon were off doing God knows what (to the Northmen)
- She's one of the last ladies standing from the start of these wars and has accumulated more power at every turn

and stood there chill while they ripped his face apart

Jesus shit.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

You know, the thing that was "coming" for seven seasons? Then in the seven season finale that they showed it finally reaching King's Landing on some heavy handed symbolism? And then it's gone again this season? Did kill the Night King get rid of it?

No one should be going north of the wall in the winter.
Unless killing the NK means winter doesn't exist anymore.
In which case, that would need to be explained.

But D&D dfaf

Usually people get mad when a show treats them like children who need their hand held through every step. But people find a way to get mad at this show for treating them like adults who can figure things out on their own.

You just answered YOUR OWN QUESTION and then said the writers should have saved you the split second of work.

Especially since Tormund has a line about, "We'll wait for these winter storms to pass before going north of the Wall." So, like, does Winter last years or does in not? It's been a pretty central plot point for the past eight seasons to forget to acknowledge it.

Notice Tormumd didn't say "we'll wait until spring."

There have been some really dumb things that have happened on the show, but this is a reach, one of many that people have made lately.

They haven't been seen in so long that no one actually believed they exist. Winter never went away. "Winter is Coming" are the words for fucks sake.
We're told stories of how in the winter snows can be 40 feet deep. We know that people migrate when winter comes. We know that famines that kill thousands are common. We know that in the North, men often intentionally die in battle before winter so their families will have one less mouth to feed. Winter is brutal. We know this. And as a reader of the books, I find it hard to believe that Jon would just casually head north of the wall in the winter.
And the show offered absolutely no explanation of the White Walkers at all after 8 seasons of building them into the non-threat that they were. We don't know what they did, what they wanted, or what their deaths mean.
So, no, I didn't answer my own question.

because a bunch of shit that wasn't in the show, is difficult to square with a single shot that was in the show.

Huh.

than Summer/Autumn minus a dusting of snow at King's Landing.

Maybe it takes a few months for them to fully transition.

When I've lived in snowy places sometimes it would snow in September and then it doesn't snow again until January. I assume this effect would be magnified if I had also just killed a thousand year old ice demon.

Problem solved. You're welcome.

because that's how they get down. During the meeting Sansa mentioned the Northern solders were outside the gates, Greyworm mentions the Unsullied but not the Dothraki

Otherwise I don't see how Jon doesn't get executed immediately because the Northern soldiers had Jon's back but they woudldn't have been able to handle both groups.

collected all the horses they could spare and loaded them onto ships, then told the Dothraki they'd be welcome to keep them if they ride with them back to Essos.

i didn't catch it the first time

"Well how did you want them to wrap it up?"

THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE FUCKING WORST (and they are all up and down this post).

Do you not understand that it's not exactly the ending that's the problem?

It's how they got there. It's the characters suddenly doing things completely against who they are supposed to be. It's plot conveniences that prove shit got lazy. It's the lack of general consistency (where did Arya's horse go). It's making the supposed most important part of the entire GoT lore a complete afterthought and just a way to make Dany go nuts (l+r=j).

to redo season 8 are worse.

but really it's all laughs. If you're getting for real mad about a TV show, you need to go outside more.

no matter the spin, shit just comes off babyish

YOUR SHOW ISN'T DOING WHAT I WANT IT TO! DO IT AGAIN!

It's hilarious. The last two seasons haven't been the greatest but people out here looking like absolute crybaby idiots with this shit.

Grown folks too
kinda sad

That is the dumbest shit i've ever seen. Super entitlement

that's 1.5 million entitled turds.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>general consistency (where did Arya's horse go). It's making

Who the fuck cares where her horse went?! It wasn't even HER horse.

It was a random horse she rode to get the fuck outta dodge. It's not like Arya is the HORSE FUCKING MASTER and is incomplete without a horse. You really need them to show you Arya getting off the horse and saying goodbye to it in a dramatic moment?

Jesus shit, people on the internet make the worst fucking writers.

Just like people in this thread talking about "What about the Dothraki left in Essos?" or "why even make Bran a cripple?"

Man, if that isn't the gift and the curse of art. Everyone has a fucking interpretation they feel entitled to no matter what happens.

And it's a fair question to ask, what would you have the writers do, cause most people are offering up their own takes on how shit should have gone down, and these takes are equally shitty.

Yo, sometimes shit is made, filmed, written or whatever. You're gonna like it or not. The end. You can critique, but fuck all this whiny shit.


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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

If people want to pass blame, they need to start with the guy who created GoT. I’m not saying the show runners, show writers and HBO don’t also deserve blame but it starts with GRRM who has been working on Winds of Winter for 7 years now and still isn’t done.

Had he finished the books we wouldnt be having this discussion. Now with him taking part in the Prequels i wont if he'll ever finish it

author not writing fast enough the books said author wrote after folks devoured and love the first 5 books he wrote.

Rather than being like "Hey Man, I loved the books you did write and I appreciate what you have given the world even if you never write another word. Thanks. "

Our treat everything as a consumer product culture sucks.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

He actually finished The Dark Tower.

He didn't give the writers anything to work with besides Cliff Notes, so they churned out Cliff Notes. Garbage in, garbage out.

everybody has partly given up on caring.

was getting G checked by Arya

lmao....

Season 7 had some of the best, iconic and jaw dropping moments in the series.

- Arya assassinating the Freys.
- Littlefinger getting his comeuppance.
- Sansa coming into her own.
- Bran coming into his own.
- the battle in the lake beyond the wall was badass.
- seeing a dragon slayed and resurrected.
- destruction of the wall.
- some of the best political maneuvering in the series between Jon, Dany, Cersei, Euron and Littlefinger trying to get ready for the endgame.
- Stark kids reunion
- The caravan attack (your people can't fight. lol)
- Olenna going out like an OG (I want her to know it was me)

the fuck?

Jesus shit, the internet sucks.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Season 7 was good, though it was the beginning of the "Dan and Dave decided to rush to the ending." But in and of itself i loved it. I think its becoming collateral damage of peoples anger at 8. I rewatched it and basically the worst things about Season 7, being super rushed, took over all of Season 8.

Travel time became flights and bullet train speed. Cool things happened but they stopped showing us how.

Take the Littlefinger thing. I absolutely love the scene where he gets his, but based on what they showed us, it made no sense. They played up the animosity between Sansa and Arya to fool littlefinger (and us) but the most tense scene where Sansa finds Arya's faces and Arya pretty much threatens to kill Sansa and steal her face, they're in a room by themselves lol. It makes us HAVE to believe their tension is real for the surprise to work. Or if it is real and there's a scene where Bran has to break it down for them, we have to just guess.

And that dirty dozen snatch and grab on ice thing was kinda terrible imo but then again I've never been a fan of the walker stuff.

I mean, I enjoyed S7, and to be honest I enjoyed the shit out of S8 despite my complaints.

Travel time and Euron pretty much coming out of nowhere to become a major player are kinda my only complaints.

Everything else I'm fine enough with, especially with Arya and Sansa. The reunion was nice, but they are vastly different people with vastly different skills and motivations from the last time they saw each other. Didn't matter to me that they antagonistic in a room alone together. It made sense given what Sansa found, and most people would be baffled if they found a bag of faces in their little sister's room.

I like that family won out in the end and that Littlefinger didn't see it coming. Made sense given the fact that Littlefinger was letting hubris get the best of him (i mean really, this dude kept coming at Sansa and getting curbed then told her brother, yo, I intend to fuck while standing in the family crypt????).
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

it's that Arya pulled out a knife and said "maybe I'll wear yours" lol

but they needed us to believe it, otherwise Baelish's death scene doesn't play as well.

it was kind of a writing cheat imo

but again, i've enjoyed every season. accelerated pacing or not

That's why when the scene began, as I recall, Arya was just as surprised as Littlefinger was when Sansa flipped on Littlefinger.

That made for a doper character development for Sansa, she figured it out on her own. Arya didn't have to persuade her. That also explains Arya's newfound respect for Sansa.



>Travel time became flights and bullet train speed. Cool
>things happened but they stopped showing us how.
>
>Take the Littlefinger thing. I absolutely love the scene where
>he gets his, but based on what they showed us, it made no
>sense. They played up the animosity between Sansa and Arya to
>fool littlefinger (and us) but the most tense scene where
>Sansa finds Arya's faces and Arya pretty much threatens to
>kill Sansa and steal her face, they're in a room by themselves
>lol. It makes us HAVE to believe their tension is real for the
>surprise to work. Or if it is real and there's a scene where
>Bran has to break it down for them, we have to just guess.
>
>And that dirty dozen snatch and grab on ice thing was kinda
>terrible imo but then again I've never been a fan of the
>walker stuff.
>
>I mean, I enjoyed S7, and to be honest I enjoyed the shit out
>of S8 despite my complaints.
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The shot of her is smugly looking over at littleginger and saying "my sister asked you a question"

>That's why when the scene began, as I recall, Arya was just
>as surprised as Littlefinger was when Sansa flipped on
>Littlefinger.

Everything about that was fucking horrendously bad.

The plan itself was among the worst ideas ever hatched.
We're going to go north of the wall, somehow find the army of the dead, somehow kidnap a wight from an army of 100k zombies, and bring it to Cersei so she'll agree to help us fight the dead.

All of the red-shirt, fake-out deaths. Moronic.

Gendry sprinting back to the wall, somehow getting word from the wall to Dragon Stone about what happened, and Dany then getting there (north of the wall, from Dragonstone) in less than a day's passage. Ridiculous.

The NK throwing his spear at the further dragon, the one in motion, and not the stationary dragon, much closer, that is the one his enemies plan on using to escape. Stupid.

The fact that this army of zombies, out of nowhere suddenly has hundreds of feet of gigantic chain that someone had to have swam to the bottom of the lake to wrap around the dragon before they haul it out. Idiotic.

Is it in character for both Tyrion and Varys to be ok with a plan like this? Two of the most scheming and intelligent men in the realm would have hatched something else, something less foolhardy and doomed to fail.

Those moments you mentioned are undeniable, but they all felt rushed. Unearned.

The writing in general went down hill once they went off books.

Or individual moments don't mask the overall weakness of the season.

For example, for my money, the Battle of Hardhome was the best battle of the entire series. That didn't stop Season 5 from being a poorly executed shit show.

the first time i saw the season it was fine, dont remember not liking it. a lot of big stuff happened but basically it was setting the scene for season 8.

i have been binging the series and every season up to 7 was really good/great. 7 was just flat. maybe its that i watched 7 after 8 was done. so i knew where it all ended or how i felt after it ended.

maybe its burn out. im waiting a minute before rewatching season 8.

..and this show proves it LOL.

Watching this show was entertaining enough on its own, but hearing/reading the reactions from everyone else (OKP included) is something else.

A whole 👏🏾 nutha 👏🏾 level 👏🏾 © Key

At times, you find intriguing points or details. Other times, its almost like people are watching entirely different series/shows.

The show (and its creators) deserves some criticism, but overall I think they did a great job.

LOL @ everyone complaining 'cause they wanted it to be one way © Marlo.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

is THE most tired brain-dead response to criticism ever

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

go off to "explore" while still owing the many faced God
a good ending for her would be for said god to collect his debt
remember she stole a couple of faces from the crypt
Just like everyone that died this season, her cycle was complete
no more revenge, no more kill list, doesn't want to be Mrs. Gendry
lazy ass writers: "let's put her on a boat!"
FOH

bizarre

when they don't have the tools necessary for house building?

They got shipped off to some island on some "hurry up and die" shit
fucked up

To bring the Unsullied (who can fight but have no home) to Naath (a land with nobody to protect them.)

>when they don't have the tools necessary for house building?
>
>
>They got shipped off to some island on some "hurry up and die"
>shit
>fucked up

crazy. Do what you want, I'm out.

It would have explained everything we needed for the Unsullied bouncing like they did.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Thats the undercurrent I got from it lol

>crazy. Do what you want, I'm out.
>
>It would have explained everything we needed for the Unsullied
>bouncing like they did.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

since ep 1 when he looked over at Missandei like "you see it, right?"

this ep was just a constant look of pffffft

and this time Sansa didn't chime in like, "we'll the thing is.."

Like hit up Naath, say we want to settle here. In exchange, we're your army if anyone wants to roll up.

Eventually, some Naath folks and kids will want to sign up to join the Unsullied and Grey Worm and them will be like cool, we'll teach you our fighting style, but you can keep your twig n berries, cool?
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

Anyone who stays longer than a few weeks at least. The island is covered with disease spreading butterflies that the locals are immune to. Everyone else who goes there contracts the disease and dies.

Also, he isn't a fan of how it ended.

https://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-really-didnt-like-how-game-of-thrones-end-1834931077

His best performance in years.

... "A Beautiful Struggle"
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MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

https://twitter.com/woigang/status/1132000598465757184?s=21

shit was ass

Zack. Synder.

before they turned this shit into medieval avengers

next time i'll rewatch i'll make up a new ending in my mind lol