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13314708, few things
Posted by Stadiq, Wed Feb-20-19 01:12 PM
>>You’re going full establishment lately.
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>yeah you def sound like a stereotypical 'bernie bro' here. no
>disrespect. ive seen others call you out on it but i resisted
>dogpiling. its really hard to ignore now tho.

Bernie Bro? Huh? Reeq, you have taken shots at AOC from day one.

DAY. ONE.

Which in itself is hypocritical, because you often complain about the left eating our own.

Then you grab a fork.


And in general, I think it is frustrating that you have time to post essays on AOC...but you're a ghost in shit like that Beto thread.

There is no question you inform and educate.


You also deflect, avoid, downplay.


People took issue with me calling you establishment, and I apologize for not being more clear/sophisticated in my reply.

You are starting to get back into your old self though, where you just dismiss anyone who disagrees with you. And you are very pro-establishment. I know it isn't a cool thing to admit, but if folks pay attention to your posts it starts to come together.



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>>That Amazon deal was horse shit. And you are severely
>>over-rating their image. Lol at people “trusting” the
>>institution of Amazon. Especially in a district that’s
>>70-80% Dem. Youre just making up shit.
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>nah fam. making shit up is telling other people that theyre
>making shit up while not *looking* shit up lol.
>
>https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/10/25/18022956/amazon-trust-survey-american-institutions-ranked-georgetown
>https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-holds-top-spot-brand-reputation-survey-third-straight-year-apple-google-see-big-drops/
>https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/319314/amazon-most-trusted-retail-brand-applebest-buy-m.html
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>as far as democrats (scroll down to 'INSTITUTIONAL CONFIDENCE,
>DEMOCRATS ONLY')...dems put more confidence in amazon than
>colleges and the military.
>https://bakercenter.georgetown.edu/aicpoll/
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>if i assert something...its because i can back it up with
>evidence/data. you should consider holding yourself to the
>same standard in the future.
>


I'll take my L on the general polling of Amazon trustworthiness. I will say, though, in my experience as people learn more about how the company actually operates the less popular they become. There is a difference between being a happy customer and a happy employee.


I will also point out that essentially bribing companies to come to a city is a very slippery slope...and her speaking up on it was the right thing to do. So, I thought it was very refreshing to see a politician dare to go against the all power job creators.

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>>Low turnout in the primary? Lol, when was the last time
>>Crowley even faced a primary? What are you comparing
>>it to?
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>other primaries. what kinda question is that? lol.
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>only 13% of registered dems participated in the primary
>(partly due to the disjointed primary scheduling). some
>congressional primaries are in the 30s and 40s.
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>>Lol their campaign worked on getting non-voters to
>>vote. Why does that upset the establishment so
>>much?
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>youre living in a fantasy narrative land again. over 80% of
>eligible dem voters stayed home. she rode a trend of overall
>voter apathy and caught a comfortable rep flat footed because
>he wasnt expecting a real challenge.

I never said otherwise. But you have consistently tried to downplay her victory.

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>stacy abrams energized non-voters in her competitive primary
>win. andrew gillum energized non-voters in his competitive
>primary win. beto did it on steroids. aoc did nothing close
>to that.
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Where did I say that she did?

>she may have gotten some new registrations or emboldened some
>young people to participate in the process for the 1st time.
> but she actually did more good by locking in on prime voters
>(like white progressives in gentrifying neighborhoods) who
>already voted for bernie in the 2016 primary.
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>its funny that you take shots at the establishment when aoc
>literally used the same low turnout environment that
>establishment incumbents (and republicans) have been using to
>stay in power for decades.

Sure. Or its equally funny that even in trying to downplay her win, you gloss over the fact that the incumbent failed to turn out voters, and in general being MIA. There is a reason for that apathy, and it certainly wasnt AOC.

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>she won a lethargic low turnout election and she (and her
>supporting organization 'justice democrats') thought the best
>way forward for progressive candidates was to replicate the
>formula nationwide starting with kerri harris in delaware.
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>https://theintercept.com/2018/07/12/tom-carper-delaware-senate-primary-features-working-class-challenger-kerri-harris-against-corporate-funded-incumbent-tom-carper/
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>Harris has invested heavily in building a volunteer army and
>knocking on as many doors as possible, knowing that in a
>low-turnout environment, a relatively small number of votes
>could be enough to unseat an institution.
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>One of the difference-makers for Ocasio-Cortez was her ability
>to motivate people who voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016
>primary to vote again in the 2018 midterm primary, an election
>that most of them would typically have skipped. In Delaware,
>in April 2016, nearly 37,000 people came out and voted for
>Sanders in the primary (a contest that was won by Hillary
>Clinton with some 55,000 votes). If Harris can find and turn
>out that Sanders cohort, her chances of winning are much
>greater than widely believed.
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>Rojas told The Intercept that the campaign thinks its “win
>number” in the September primary is 26,000.
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>nothing screams being confident in your winning message
>like...hoping for low turnout. is that the electoral strategy
>you want progressives to hang their hopes on for an entire
>generation?

Wait, what? If the turnout is expected to be low, knocking on doors and getting folks to vote is...bad?

So you're blaming the justice dems for turnout being low?

And you know in this case it is probably an issue of lack of funds. In low turnout, you can knock on doors and make a dent.

In high turnout, that probably doesn't make the dent.

They fought in the election they were given so to speak. You make it sound like they suppressed votes lol

Whats really funny, is that this was pretty much the exact strategy of the underdog Dem in my red district. But I'm sure in that case, it was smart strategy right?


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>btw de primary voters actually turned out and the
>harris/ocasio team got wiped out.
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>>I see you’ve moved the goalpost on her polling
>>too.
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>>So do national polls on congress reps matter or not?
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>how did i move the goalposts? im not saying theyre the
>end-all-be-all but gauging voter sentiment is generally a good
>practice.

You initially pointed out how bad she polls nationally, I think up above. I pointed out that doesn't matter, and you are the one who told me national polling of congress reps don't matter. Now the point isn't how low she polls, its how *quickly* she polled this low.

Its like you look for reasons to criticize her.

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>either way...you shouldnt dismiss the fact that she is just as
>despised as congressional leaders who have been in congress
>for at last a decade. they didnt become as unpopular *until*
>they lead their caucus. her already being in the dumps with
>voters should be treated as a warning sign to correct course.


Why? Why should I, or anyone care how the country views her if her district is okay with her?

And does the polling account for how many young people she has engaged in politics?
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>>You keep making claims with no real support, “That’s
>>how you get a pink slip” etc...do you have examples?
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>are you purposely shooting yourself in the foot? lol. you
>never post a single link or reference any real life data to
>support any of your claims. you accusing me of doing the same
>is some o.d. projection.

Again, my point is that it doesn't matter what the country thinks of her...it matters if she can get reelected in her district. You said a congresswoman raising hell is going to lose her job in a district that is 70-80% Dem...I am asking if you have any precedent to base that on, because that is fairly outlandish statement.

That said, she probably will get primaried for a variety of reasons. The biggest reason is the left eats their own, right?

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>>Reeq, you should take some time off from your bubble. Talk
>>to some non Dems, etc. Youre slipping.
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>>Your “I want her to stay, I’m on her side, she should
>just
>>play
>>nice and/orshut up” is some bullshit man.
>>
>>Like I’ve said, the way y’all shit on the base is
>unreal.
>>Then
>>you wonder why the GOPs bass is more loyal.
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>you keep saying im the one in the bubble but youre the one who
>fails to do basic research on easily-accessible facts and just
>runs off your own personal opinions/emotions based on popular
>narratives among your online social circle(s).

Yeah, that isn't true. I've tried to even point you back to your own polls on things, and you go ghost.


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>seriously...from now on just take a few minutes on your
>pc/phone and just casually browse for information on the
>subjects you try to argue about. thats the very least you can
>do. when you reply to me...post some actual links to back up
>your claims (and refute mine) instead of just frothing at the
>mouth with a bunch of disinformation that sounds good to you.

Except, when I do link you to information, point out precedent, or even point you back to your own polls...you either dismiss it or just disappear.


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>i dont mind educating folks and opening up their eyes to
>objective reality (even when its inconvenient to my own
>desires) but you really shouldnt be so indignant/emphatic
>while being so uninformed.
>
>sorry if im being heavy handed but youre starting to come off
>loud and wrong like niggas like kira and bentagain (while
>being equally factually lazy). seriously take a step back and
>re-evaluate things.
>

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