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13312569, Blackface: How many more prestigious flagship universities gon fess up?
Posted by Creole, Fri Feb-08-19 10:22 AM
The stuff going on in VA got folks shook. Now, they're gonna be fessing up left and right. Is it to procve they care about righting wrongs or will it be to improve perceptions? Maryland is the South. Ain't no escaping it at all.

𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞 - https://twitter.com/Camilleeeon_/status/1093524338316324867?html

@Camilleeeon_
went on a mission at work to find blackface in old UMD yearbooks and it only took me 5 mins lol


https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/education/higher-ed/bs-md-umd-blackface-yearbook-20190208-story.html

Blackface photos found in old University of Maryland yearbooks

Sarah Meehan
Contact Reporter
The Baltimore Sun

A number of photos featuring people wearing blackface have surfaced in old University of Maryland, College Park yearbooks.

A Twitter user discovered the images in University of Maryland yearbook archives days after a photo of two unidentified people — one in blackface and the other in a Ku Klux Klan robe — was unearthed on Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam's 1984 medical school yearbook page. Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring has also admitted he once wore blackface.

University of Maryland President Wallace Loh responded to the tweet, calling the images “profoundly hurtful and distressing.”

“The images of blackface found in past UMD yearbooks are profoundly hurtful and distressing,” he replied on Twitter. “Traditions like this reflect a history of racial prejudice and do not convey what we seek to embody today.”

The university’s Office of Diversity and Inclusion echoed Loh’s sentiment and also provided information about the history of blackface on its Twitter feed.

“The images of Blackface discovered in past UMD yearbooks can be shocking for some and traumatizing for others,” the office tweeted. “Traditions like this reflect a history of racial prejudice and do not convey what we seek to embody.”


Office of Inclusion & Diversity responds with - https://twitter.com/DiverseTerps/status/1093631008266702848

smeehan@baltsun.com

twitter.com/sarahvmeehan

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13312570, Sidenote: I used to argue with people on here about DC/MD being
Posted by Teknontheou, Fri Feb-08-19 10:25 AM
in the South, which they definitely are. They're the top of the South (on the East Coast), and the large numbers of non-Southern transplants can make things seem not-Southern on the surface, but it's absolutely the South, just below the surface.
13312572, Man, outside of Balt. City, Balt. County, MoCo, HowardCo,and PG, RED...
Posted by Creole, Fri Feb-08-19 10:30 AM
is the color of the day.
13312581, My parents moved to Upper Marlboro in 1998. I worked at a local
Posted by Teknontheou, Fri Feb-08-19 10:59 AM
supermarket in the summer of '99. The YT's that worked there were all locals whose families had been in Upper Marlboro forever. In 1999, they all came off to me like they were straight out of Dukes of Hazzard. They were nice and pleasant people and all that, but they were outright southern and seemed sort of stuck in the late 70s - mid 80s, just in terms of their look (hairstyles, style of dress, etc.)
13312623, lmao, I was in Upper Marlboro last year.
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Feb-08-19 01:15 PM
basically all parts of it due to driving in a motorcade on 301. man, that was like a microcosm of Maryland if I've ever saw it. I was so far down there that I saw a Weis supermarket.

you can tell that it's an old "ocean" state real quick
13312620, the wack part of the MD flag is a reference to the Confederacy
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Feb-08-19 01:13 PM
(I mean the red/white part. The part that makes it cool represents the good guys.)
13312573, I lived on that college park campus
Posted by shygurl, Fri Feb-08-19 10:32 AM
It would not surprise me if they found those pictures in *this* years yearbook.
13312574, NYT: Beyond College Campuses and Public Scandals, a Racist Tradition Lingers
Posted by Creole, Fri Feb-08-19 10:34 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/us/northam-blackface-virginia.html

Beyond College Campuses and Public Scandals, a Racist Tradition Lingers

By Richard Fausset and Campbell Robertson
Feb. 8, 2019

ATLANTA — Nina Yeboah was a freshman at Georgia State University in 2004 when she heard about the pair of white fraternity brothers who had shown up at a “Straight Outta Compton” party in blackface.

Fifteen years later, she said, it still feels traumatic to talk about what would become a moment of embarrassment and pain on the Atlanta campus. As a student of color, said Ms. Yeboah, now a writer, “it kind of wakes you up to what racism is like in the community that you’re in.”

It has been a week of waking up.

What first appeared as a grotesque act of racist clowning on the part of Gov. Ralph Northam of Virginia turned out not to be an aberration at his medical school in the early 1980s. A confession from Mark Herring, the state’s attorney general, revealed that blackface was common at other Virginia schools at the time as well.

The news of other blackface episodes — an ever-growing tally including yet more Virginia politicians as well as Florida officeholders — led a rush to old yearbooks by reporters and others across social media.

This last week has reinforced that blackface, with its roots in demeaning minstrel-show traditions that date to the 1830s, has never gone away. In fact, it surfaces on a regular basis across the country, beyond the South and beyond the Greek houses on college campuses. Over the past two decades, there have been at least a handful of incidents every year, in Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Texas, Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Alabama, involving judges, police officers, bank executives and credit union employees.

Just last year, a fraternity at California Polytechnic State University in San Luis Obispo was suspended after students dressed up as gang members, with one person in blackface. A candidate for the Illinois Senate apologized for dressing as a rapper in blackface at a Halloween party a decade earlier. And a student at the University of Arkansas posted on Snapchat an image of himself in blackface and the words “I hope this offends someone.”

READ MORE AT THE LINK
13312618, conservatives swear colleges are liberal brainwashing schools.
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Feb-08-19 01:07 PM
13312672, Almost like they're full of shit or something
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Feb-08-19 03:36 PM
13312676, liberals brainwashing people into think blackface aint cool anymore
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 03:50 PM
13312631, This seems like being shocked to see slave ads in 1700s newspapers
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Fri Feb-08-19 01:29 PM
Of course you're going to find black face in a 1960s-70s yearbook. It was common to even see it on TV during that time.

I hold elected officials and certain others to higher standards, so I will take their pasts into consideration when making judgments about them. It was wrong to do it, and I'd hope that their good judgment would steer them away from it.

But I'm not going to be outraged that some frat at UNC or UMD took blackface photos. That's what they do.
13312633, Man it's like people forgot the 80's. Remember Ted Danson?
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 01:34 PM
He did a routine in black face at a roast and had Whoopi cosigning that shit. (I just fact checked myself and that was in the 90's). I'm not saying it was right, but as a society a huge chunk of people were hella ignorant and clueless. It def wasn't the same thing as it was in today's 'woke' society.





13312653, My issue is documenting it in yearbooks.
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Feb-08-19 02:44 PM
The fuck?

and I remember Ted doing it and Whoopi prolly applies the make up.

Shit was a bad look and he caught hear for it.

I want these colleges to feel enough guilt to throw more scholarship money in our direction.

Just because it wasn’t shocking in 1970 doesn’t mean that shit was right.
13312668, Yup! I don't care that Johnny Rebel Whiteboy did it. I care that it was, more...
Posted by Creole, Fri Feb-08-19 03:24 PM
>RE: My issue is documenting it in yearbooks.
>I want these colleges to feel enough guilt to throw more
>scholarship money in our direction.
>
>Just because it wasn’t shocking in 1970 doesn’t mean that
>shit was right.

or less, sanctioned by these universities. I care that these institutions are further called out for allowing the shit to take place especially in such a liberal state as MD. LOL

And I'm hopeful that we keep seeing enrollment increases at HBCUs as a result. Honestly, I don't believe that Johnny Rebel Whiteboy, Jr. is much different from his dad. They ain't gonna change but we can make sure theses institutions look at their overlooking of shit that impacts the lives of people who don't necessarily look like them.

It also wouldn't hurt them to throw more scholarship money our way.

13312670, Yeah,fair. It wasn't even the 'halloween costume' blackface for Northam
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 03:29 PM
it was Al Jolson and the KKK. And somehow that was allowed to be published in a school yearbook.


13312687, Ignorant and clueless ? What ?
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Feb-08-19 04:22 PM
Some of these yearbooks got Klan and hanging pictures. They knew what they were doing.
13312691, Touched on it above, but yeah.
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 04:33 PM
Northam gotta go. the KKK hood/blackface pic is totally cancelable. The fact that University faculty ok'd stuff like that is crazy, even if not entirely shocking.

I was more referencing the fact the that 'halloween costume' version of blackface was hella prevalent, and as a society we were still really behind. As a non-southerner, the lynching/kkk/al jolson style blackface surprised me for some reason (even if it probably shouldn't have).

13312697, Yep it shouldn't have.
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Feb-08-19 04:42 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6679399/Jimmy-Kimmell-Jimmy-Fallon-Billy-Crystal-Judy-Garland-Ted-Danson-Joy-Behar-blackface.html
13312699, you just linked me to a bunch of 'halloween costume' stuff
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 04:46 PM
which i said was hella prevalent.

I was more shocked by the blatant KKK type stuff.


13312716, It's the same thing
Posted by Lurkmode, Fri Feb-08-19 05:07 PM
You don't have to be a southerner and you don't need Klan pics to see that.
13312722, I see some difference in Herring dressing up as Kurtis Blow
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Feb-08-19 05:33 PM
vs. Northam dressing up in Blackface/KKK attire. One seems 'ignorant and clueless' while one is intentionally mocking and hurtful. I can see why others might not feel that way, though. Either way both are wrong.




13312742, Does no one remember Soul Man?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Fri Feb-08-19 08:04 PM
It felt like Spike Lee was literally the only person complaining about it.

https://www.thewrap.com/rae-dawn-chong-spike-lee-soul-man/

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312660, i mean that's just college in America.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Feb-08-19 02:53 PM
13312664, Bruh not once did I see anyone black in college dress up as white people
Posted by flipnile, Fri Feb-08-19 03:04 PM
Not once did I see a trailer park-themed party or anything similar.

That stuff is college for one specific demographic.
13312710, Right? I ain’t never seen that shit
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Feb-08-19 04:58 PM
13312679, Not the same thing, but the concept of the
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Feb-08-19 03:58 PM
white kid donning a headdress and warpaint to be the mascot at certain schools (Illinois, Utah, Florida State) was still going on into the 21st century. I know FSU still does it, not sure if they use an actual Seminole or not (if that makes it any better.) And this is what schools wanted to put out on national TV in the thing that most people will associate with that college.

I'm going to assume there's shit like this everywhere.

Never saw any blackface at my college, just the wonderful flavor of casual open racism that permeates all of SE Wisconsin (and everywhere, but it's REALLY a thing there.) Like the "here are all the awful things I feel comfortable saying around you, a fellow white" conversations happen everywhere (and make no mistake, they do happen to every white person,) but it was really pronounced there. Can only imagine if I hadn't gone to the public school for fuckups and commuters and went to the big wealthy Catholic school just outside a heavily black neighborhood instead. Because Marquette students were another level of angry.

13312799, bruh the whole country was built on slavery
Posted by Mafamaticks, Sun Feb-10-19 05:01 AM
I mean you can lift up a rock and find racism.
13312864, My PWI had Gangsta Night
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Mon Feb-11-19 09:58 AM
The Frat like social clubs would have a night where they played rap music and served 40s. I can't remember if people wore "hip-hop" gear for the party but there was no blackface. Don't remember any outrage on campus.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13312866, Smh
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Feb-11-19 10:05 AM
This sounds ridiculous

13312935, at my old job we had an event where teams picked themes/costumes
Posted by GOMEZ, Mon Feb-11-19 12:53 PM
one group did cholos y cholas. It was kind of fucked up. This was a professional environment, post 2010. I know some of them are unironically super mad about Ralph Northam's blackface.