just saw some today over in bethesda, very graphic. f*ck. i know freedom of rights
and everything but damn. they're usually old and white. i wonder would they allow
for a d*ck signage? also, D.C. is a ghost town...wanted to go to cheap Hirshorn but,
ooppps...it's closed.

can't stand them niggas for real.

first ones to call foul about whatever, but they out there putting pictures of fetuses on the highway and making mad vehicle convos awkward.

not to mention that the policy that they support is absolutely atrocious to society

>not to mention that the policy that they support is absolutely
>atrocious to society

that robs women of agency over their bodies, often implemented with little regard to the mother's life or the circumstances. a unnecessarily draconian way of telling women they ain't shit.

that has effects that often manifest economically.

I gives a fuck if you "agree" or not; as adults we should be able to abstain from practices that 1) don't affect us personally and 2) are totally voluntary.

these fake-ass Christianists and their selective morality sicken me.

It’s so funny that black people choose things that we want to stand up for (and not to stand for). Abortion a majority of the time have very little to do with the life of the mother. Pregnancy should always be viewed as a celebration of life. If people were so concerned with the economic side of things then there would be less pregnancy period.

You’re correct in the fact that as adults we should abstain from situations that can have adverse consequences economically. What does trouble me is that abortions cause more deaths in the black community than any of act of violence committed by us and against since Roe v. Wade. Yet in still our community doesn’t seem to see the need to “abstain from such practices.” The problem isn’t with the Christians or any other anti-abortion group.

You won’t agree, but I don’t give a fuck about that either.



>that robs women of agency over their bodies, often
>implemented with little regard to the mother's life or the
>circumstances. a unnecessarily draconian way of telling women
>they ain't shit.
>
>that has effects that often manifest economically.
>
>I gives a fuck if you "agree" or not; as adults we should be
>able to abstain from practices that 1) don't affect us
>personally and 2) are totally voluntary.
>
>these fake-ass Christianists and their selective morality
>sicken me.

FOH with that nonsense. None of your business how a woman views her pregnancy.

>FOH with that nonsense. None of your business how a woman
>views her pregnancy.
>
>

My bad maybe yours shouldn’t have been.

*shrugs*

seeing as that my conversation wasn’t with him, or you for that matter.

In all honesty while this is a public forum the conversation was still between myself and Claw.

Seeing as that I didn’t ask him a question, also there is a dialogue happening.

Also seeing that you’re just trolling and have nothing to add then keep up the good work.

Like I said people make posts about police brutality and other social injustices. You idiots pick and choose what you want to stand for. You appear way too ignorant to hold a discussion concerning this top... so yeah bye!!!!!

you baited me. I'm curious. apparently we're conflating unrelated social issues, so go ahead. im interested what path you were taking with your previous comment. i don't presume your mind can be changed. but the lack of empathy for the complexity of fertility and pregnancy and a woman's right to control her own body astounds me.

If you were really serious about having a real discussion then you tone would’ve been different. Take your L and move on.

which honestly made me laugh but you baited me.

didn't realize "bye" was a binding statement

okay though you dont want to address it? fine

At the same time it proved my point. All life should be celebrated including yours (I guess).

j/k

Just a quick number to throw at you... there have been 19M abortions by black women since Roe v Wade.

i hate to strawman or appealing to extremes but its all too common, so a woman who is raped, or even more generally a woman who is impregnated knowing this will endanger her life or will be unviable, or a woman who simply does not want or have the financial or emotional perception to justify having a child... all of those, to you, are celebrations and should under no circumstances be terminated at the carrier's will?

i can do the mental gymnastics to wrap my head around a person being anti-choice. but the generality that the very act of being pregnant is necessarily a celebration feels wildly unsympathetic to nuance or circumstance and feels devoid of reason.

When it comes to issues of rape, there are women that have decided to still have the child. I do understand in that situation if she wouldn’t want to have the baby. I have no disagreements there on whatever that woman decided for this instance.

A woman that would have her life put in danger and they had to abort the child to save her life then I have no disagreements with her decision to save her own life.

Now in terms of economics this is where I don’t agree with abortion. The woman knowingly made a choice to sleep with that man. She gets pregnant and so she shouldn’t be allowed to abort her child. Her life isn’t at risk nor was she raped. Some cases have been because that sorry ass man didn’t want to step up and provide. Now you may disagree with that, but I will ask you this. Most families before this day and age have large families... 10+ children. They found a way to make it. I made the mistake of not waiting until later in life to have children and things were tough starting out, but I am glad that the decision was made to have each of my children. I don’t care what anyone says if you are serious about making a way for that child then nothing will stop you from making sure that you provide for your children. Children are indeed a blessing.

So I ask you to wrap your mind around this thought out of the 19M abortions in the black community, how many do you actually think were rape or the woman’s life was in danger? I will reiterate that there is nothing better when a child is about to be born. I am blessed that all three of born. Children really teach you about yourself. You truly get to learn what patience is all about which is what make the struggle memorable.



>i hate to strawman or appealing to extremes but its all to
>common, so a woman who is raped, or even more generally a
>woman who is impregnated knowing this will endanger her life
>or will be unviable, or a woman who simply does not want or
>have the financial or emotional perception to justify having a
>child... all of those, to you, are celebrations and should
>under no circumstances be terminated at the carrier's will?
>
>i can do the mental gymnastics to wrap my head around a person
>being anti-choice. but the generality that the very act of
>being pregnant is necessarily a celebration feels wildly
>unsympathetic to nuance or circumstance and feels devoid of
>reason.

>When it comes to issues of rape, there are women that have
>decided to still have the child. I do understand in that
>situation if she wouldn’t want to have the baby. I have no
>disagreements there on whatever that woman decided for this
>instance.

okay. good. this does counter the all pregnancies are a celebration as does the next point you make. i reacted to that piece of your original argument to dr claw. but okay.

>
>A woman that would have her life put in danger and they had to
>abort the child to save her life then I have no disagreements
>with her decision to save her own life.
>

addressed above.


>Now in terms of economics this is where I don’t agree with
>abortion. The woman knowingly made a choice to sleep with
>that man. She gets pregnant and so she shouldn’t be allowed
>to abort her child. Her life isn’t at risk nor was she
>raped. Some cases have been because that sorry ass man
>didn’t want to step up and provide. Now you may disagree
>with that, but I will ask you this. Most families before this
>day and age have large families... 10+ children. They found a
>way to make it. I made the mistake of not waiting until later
>in life to have children and things were tough starting out,
>but I am glad that the decision was made to have each of my
>children. I don’t care what anyone says if you are serious
>about making a way for that child then nothing will stop you
>from making sure that you provide for your children. Children
>are indeed a blessing.

i fundamentally disagree with you for the reason that i believe what's right for me does not make it so for someone else. i dont judge why someone chooses to or nor to have a child. this is an area we disagree on, clearly. you make the point about accountability for choices made...that feels like society punishing a woman for the consequence of getting pregnant. i disagree with that. it feels archaic and like enslavement from big brother or big religion. this is not meant to sound judgmental. i just disagree so vehemently with it on every level.

>
>So I ask you to wrap your mind around this thought out of the
>19M abortions in the black community, how many do you actually
>think were rape or the woman’s life was in danger?

There are SO many reasons for this. Lack of access to sex education and contraceptives is by far the #1. Maybe you believe condoms for birth control, or even birth control itself or IUD are okay, but if they shouldn't work and a pregnancy results, the woman must not abort. or you believe contraception of any kind is against the will of...god? (not judging, some people take this stance, maybe you do/dont). Some vegans eat honey, some dont. There are levels of how deeply or extreme someone believes and takes a moral stance.


>I will reiterate that there is nothing better when a child is about
>to be born. I am blessed that all three of born. Children
>really teach you about yourself. You truly get to learn what
>patience is all about which is what make the struggle
>memorable.
>

This is 100% anecdotal and wonderful for you, sincerely. But It completely ignores that humans are complex and could fundamentally disagree. Some people have NO desire to raise a child for NUMEROUS different valid reasons. I agree with you, personally, that you can't decide to have a baby by making a budget with a calculator. People have raised children forever with less than nothing. But that is irrelevant to CHOICE. Some people have no interest at all in the struggle. Your experience is great but is not in any way reflective of everyones.


Which comes back to the age-old Pro-Choice vs Anti-Choice. I a pro-choice. You are not. As a matter of free speech, that is your prerogative. But to suggest that there is no nuance in the celebratory merits of pregnancy does not sit well with me and comes off idealistic.

>
>Now in terms of economics this is where I don’t agree with
>abortion. The woman knowingly made a choice to sleep with
>that man. She gets pregnant and so she shouldn’t be allowed
>to abort her child. Her life isn’t at risk nor was she
>raped. Some cases have been because that sorry ass man
>didn’t want to step up and provide. Now you may disagree
>with that, but I will ask you this. Most families before this
>day and age have large families... 10+ children. They found a
>way to make it. I made the mistake of not waiting until later
>in life to have children and things were tough starting out,
>but I am glad that the decision was made to have each of my
>children. I don’t care what anyone says if you are serious
>about making a way for that child then nothing will stop you
>from making sure that you provide for your children. Children
>are indeed a blessing.

how can you tell her that should be made to have a baby that she doesn't want to have? that's the part that doesn't make sense. you can believe in blessings all you want, but blessing don't take care of babies.

what if the woman knows her family situation aint stable? what if bringing a baby into the world meant another mouth to feed when she already can't feed herself? you'll prolly say she shouldn't have had sex. maybe. but its too late for that after she's pregnant. regardless its HER body, HER decision to move forward in the way she sees fit.

those large fams of yesteryear...do you really think those folks would make the same decisions in today's climate? those folks weren't better than subsequent generations. they just had different circumstances to work within.
>
>So I ask you to wrap your mind around this thought out of the
>19M abortions in the black community, how many do you actually
>think were rape or the woman’s life was in danger? I will
>reiterate that there is nothing better when a child is about
>to be born. I am blessed that all three of born. Children
>really teach you about yourself. You truly get to learn what
>patience is all about which is what make the struggle
>memorable.

its still HER choice. what else should women not be allowed to do?

He's been driving around DC for at least the past 20 years with those plastered on the side of his makeshift panel cab.


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

i don't know what to say. repulsive but, it's very real. and oh god, the people down
by the whitehouse are even worse.

here in dallas (well its a suburb of dallas, plano)

theres one dude in a wheel chair holding up the protest sign also got a confederate flag


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m
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h

fuck that guy

slapped on it on some “my name was Poppy, please don’t eat me”

Used to hate when they would have the videos of slaughterhouses outside McDonalds on campus

abortion, the pro lifers are taking power away from the mother. They want to force women to go through with unwanted pregnancies, despite potential mental health issues, pregnancy due to rape/incest and the simple CHOICE of an adult woman.

Most vegans are pro choice. They also believe that animals should have choice which they blatantly don't in the meat industry. The meat industry today is sad, barbaric and fucked up. 99% of meat now comes from factory farms where animals are living in terrible conditions. Farmers separate offspring well before weaning.

If anything, Vegans see pro lifers as total hypocrites. People claiming to regard life as sacred but only if they're human and it fits their agenda.

I think those kind of pics are used similarly to provoke people through revulsion... making them see the aftermath or how things are being done, and hoping that will make them question whether it should be done in the first place.

these things are real but, to see it like that. it's traumatizing.

Fuck outta here with that.

I know I do.

levels to this homegrown terrorism shit

I mean I understand it as an issue but for it to be the single issue that certain people care about to only vote on that one issue.

Like how do you get worked up about the "lives" of these fetuses but don't give a shit about refugee children dying at the border.

I would love to read a good account of where the single issue abortion voter came from.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"but abortion is such an abomination to me that I've chosen abolishing it as my political priority".

Or "I have other priorities but abortion is an easy "against" vote for me in just bout any form".


It isn't too hard to understand how people rationalize it.

Few people have the time to actively support more than a handful of political causes at one time .... and fewer put in the time to figure out if their differing political views are logically consistent.

That seems to apply to all kinds of scenarios

if they don't have women under control what do they have?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

definitely makes you think before engaging.

but i could believe it. i wondered how they are able to obtain the
graphics...i don't want to dig too deep into that though.