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13291110, Who are our current outspoken voices in progressive circles?
Posted by double negative, Wed Oct-10-18 08:33 PM
It just occurred to me that there is a ton of visibility with outspoken critics/activists/thinkers/minds/commentators on the conservative side.

Candace Owens
Jordan Peterson
Ben Shapiro

etc


Who are ya'll checking for on the progressive/liberal/green side of things?

So far I've been taking a lot in from the Crooked Media dudes, Coates, and occasionally Contrapoints but outside of that I'm kinda drawing a blank.

Who are the loudest critics on the left? It seems like the left/progressive side is in a position of being reactive to what ever is coming from the right.

I guess I'm looking out for ever is dropping that hammer in these trying times.

Youtube keeps recommending horrible shit and I need to adjust my intake.
13291125, what the fuck?
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Oct-11-18 12:02 AM
y'all are really, really not thinking ever.

you've never asked yourself what it is that the people you listed do and why they're promoted.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13291156, Expound.
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 09:22 AM
>y'all are really, really not thinking ever.
>
>you've never asked yourself what it is that the people you
>listed do and why they're promoted.

Open hands here, let me make sure I understand you to be sure I might not have misspoke or that I may be entirely misguided in the way I posed my question.
13291346, RE: Expound.
Posted by bentagain, Thu Oct-11-18 02:54 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg
13291368, these people exist to be loud and push ideas that politicians
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Oct-11-18 03:20 PM
cannot themselves directly associate with.

ben shapiro can justify a segregated society more loudly than an elected official can.

this only works for people who have both the cultural and political capital.

it doesn't work the other way because you don't have the power behind it.

stop listening to these liars lies.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13291131, all of these voices on the right are backed by billionaires.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 06:40 AM
13291134, and? I don’t think his question was who is funding those folks
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Oct-11-18 07:10 AM
the left has wealthy backers as well.

If we don’t have any, why not? In this “dumb it down” 24 hour news cycle we need these types as well. I think most of our mouth pieces are celebs and CNN contributors.





13291153, organic voices vs astroturfed pseudo-celebs was my point.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 09:14 AM
thats why you see the disproportionate platform size/amplification.

just giving some background info fam.
13291163, Totally
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 09:37 AM
I think most of
>our mouth pieces are celebs and CNN contributors.


right. another thing that inspired this post is that I've had it up to my eyeballs with yet another youtube suggestion thats something along the lines of "X DESTROYS Feminist Activist in DEBATE"

I'm like, first of all, what is with the weird obsession with feminism
secondly, this shit is garbage in the well water
third, where are the vegetables*?


Vegetables, mental food, the counterpoint to anti-intellectualism, white supremacy bullshit the country is smoking.

13291369, look at these fucks
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Oct-11-18 03:21 PM
"well why don't we"

because that would not be allowed, and it wouldn't find a receptive audience.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13291236, /post
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 11:15 AM
13291151, Funny, it seems like to me the Progressives out number conservative
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Oct-11-18 09:10 AM
commentators/critics like 25 to 1. That's why a dummy like Candance Owens get a platform, because there are so few who can string a sentence together that you can put on tv without dropping the n bomb eventually.

I think the big difference is that progressive voices are honest to god journalist, academics and in the street activist. Not talking heads whose primary job is to go on tv and say dumb shit. Infact, I am not a big fan of the progressive talking heads whose primary job is being tv talking heads.

Anyway, I follow a bunch of people on twitter like

Samantha Power, Sarah Kendzior, Michael Avenatti, Franchesca Ramsey, Jot Reid, Jelani Cobb, Jemele Hill, Shaun King, Bell Hooks, Vanita Gupta, Josie Duffy Rice, Kiese Laymon, Gwenn Ifill , Ida Bae Wells, Mark Halperin, Imani Perry, MHP, Jamil Smith, Tananarive Due, Jamelle Bouie (my favorite).... man this is just me scrolling through my twitter feed, there are too many to list.

There are also all sorts of list you can find online as well like this one for example:

https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/19/the-top-25-progressives-to-follow-on-twitter/



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13291154, agreed for the most part...my issue is there is a HUGE
Posted by ambient1, Thu Oct-11-18 09:18 AM
disconnect with 'progressives' reaching the regular folk

they have a big problem talkin within their nerd circles and reaching those that NEED to hear/ be informed
13291158, this is a point that inspired my post.
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 09:28 AM
>disconnect with 'progressives' reaching the regular folk
>

and so, I've been hearing/reading that a potential new strategy or refocusing within the left is to start embracing honest to god progressive thought instead of pussyfooting around trying to be centrist

so, I'm like outside of the crooked media folks, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the like whos is putting a message thats over the wall and connecting with folks?
13291233, folks here scoffed when I brought up Shannon Sharpe
Posted by ambient1, Thu Oct-11-18 11:13 AM
now granted it's obvious he isn't an in depth political analyst or no shit....but he was a nigga with a platform and opinion that is/was in line with most Black folks in a matter of fact/regular speak way...

idk where that particular/all encompassing voice is with liberals because liberals seem to have their own specific 'interest groups'... understandably so

Centrism is a figment in imaginations in today's climate...


13291329, Shannon been talking more real talk than your average talking head
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 02:33 PM
and he's done it within the confines of a SPORTS show that has been increasingly "shut up and analyze"

even before he went to FS1 he had started that shift
13291365, Yep...but hey...he doesn't have the 'credentials' sooooooo
Posted by ambient1, Thu Oct-11-18 03:14 PM
but yep
13291159, Thanks for the suggestions.
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 09:30 AM
I'm sadly not a twitter user on that level but I think I might have to get into that world since it seems a lot of activity happens there (in political discourse )
13291193, Following smart people sharing articles is my primary use of twitter.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Oct-11-18 10:23 AM
Also to get jokes from my favorite, Roy Woods Jr. like this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1049489608285802498


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13291249, RE: Funny, it seems like to me the Progressives out number conservative
Posted by BlakStaar, Thu Oct-11-18 11:44 AM
>Ida Bae Wells

LMFAO. Her name is Nikole Hannah Jones. Ida Bae is her play Twitter name.
13291155, the cat with the blue goose vest
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Oct-11-18 09:20 AM
lol..Derayyyyyyy
13291157, Hes down with the Crooked Media family already
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 09:23 AM
13291318, RE: the cat with the blue goose vest
Posted by Castro, Thu Oct-11-18 02:21 PM
Not even. He bout that paper.
13291161, DSA just passed 50,000 active members
Posted by Walleye, Thu Oct-11-18 09:33 AM
I think the growing, collectivized voices of the left are more interesting than a top-down notion of influential thinkers, but there are a ton of thoughtful, vigorous analysts too.

Nathan Robinson, editor of Current Affairs, is devastatingly clear and systematic writer, who's pretty much woodshedded Shapiro and Peterson's sloppy thought. If you want foreign policy stuff, Fellow Traveler's Blog is an independent source for discussion of left foreign policy. If Russia and Natsec stuff occupies you, then Marcy Wheeler's blog is perfect. Tressie McMillan Cottam and Eve Ewing are go-to's for education policy.

If you want an example of active and not reactive leftist ideas and policy, you should take a look at People's Policy Project. It's a response to the overwhelming center/right orientation of DC think tanks. It's funded by patreon, not by some creepy billionaire, and churns out thoughtful policy analysis on voting rights, medicare for all, public ownership of industry, social housing, etc.

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/

13291166, Tim Faust is literally going on tour for Medicare for All
Posted by Walleye, Thu Oct-11-18 09:43 AM
https://twitter.com/crulge/status/1049523020451188737

kill 💀 tim 💀 faust
Verified account

@crulge
oing on a mini-tour in a couple weeks.
10/20 - Houston
10/22 - Madison, WI
10/23 - Fox Valley, WI (TBD)
10/24 - Bloomington, IL
10/25 - Milwaukee, WI (informal)
10/26 - Chicago, IL
13291176, this is an important point:
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 09:56 AM
>I think the growing, collectivized voices of the left are
>more interesting than a top-down notion of influential
>thinkers

in general...the left is more decentralized and bottom-up grassroots driven. as opposed to the right being more streamlined/consolidated and top-down authoritarian.

so its much easier to elevate voices among the right when most of their audience is tuned into that heavily-concentrated elevation venue and more willing to receive orders/instruction.

for example...like 50% of republicans have fox news as their primary news source. for democrats...i think cnn was the highest primary news source but barely cracking double digits. and the rest is pretty evenly spread out between msnbc, facebook, local tv, npr, nyt, etc with single digits for each.

even when you look at pure politics...all of the major shifts in the dem party platform have been driven bottom-up by the people (marriage equality, renewable energy, criminal justice, healthcare, etc). the major shifts in the repub party platform have been completely driven by special interest groups via 'leaders' (climate denial, gun rights absolutism, etc).
13291183, The bummer flipside is the right's message discipline is ... solid
Posted by Walleye, Thu Oct-11-18 10:11 AM
>so its much easier to elevate voices among the right when most
>of their audience is tuned into that heavily-concentrated
>elevation venue and more willing to receive
>orders/instruction.

Yep. I guess it helps that their actual political message is so thin. It's really just "owning the libs" via huge business interests. There's no meaningful intellectual underpinnings on the right, and the ones that once existed are subsumed and transformed by capitalism. Look at how thorough the Koch's have branded Libertarianism, which is incredibly dumb but at least was once relatively independent.

>even when you look at pure politics...all of the major shifts
>in the party platform have been driven bottom-up by the people
>(marriage equality, renewable energy, criminal justice,
>healthcare, etc). the major shifts in the repub party
>platform have been completely driven by special interest
>groups via 'leaders' (climate denial, gun rights absolutism,
>etc).

And that means the left is going to fight internally more often. Which is good insofar as it means vibrancy of ideas and bad with respect to obtaining political power. It's while I'll grump on liberals' insistence on simply reforming capitalism rather than destroying it, and why I'll keep grumping on it. But the most damaging notion, and the one that deserves as much opposition as the actual GOP, is the insistence on civil engagement (looking at guys like Jon Chait) with transparently bad faith conservative thought.

The Republican party is the furthest right mainstream political party in the world. Even the weird racist European parties want to preserve social welfare programs to some degree. So, the GOP needs to be destroyed entirely. If there are any good ideas there (there aren't) they can be picked up by whatever emerges that's willing to suggest those ideas in good faith.
13291309, agreed.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 01:48 PM
13291164, It's an in-group/out-group thing.
Posted by Teknontheou, Thu Oct-11-18 09:38 AM
The people you listed all see themselves as members of the out-group, and many of their critics agree with that, so they're all on the same page about that.

The big progressive names today often feel as they they are in-group with respect to people who are smart, well-educated and worldly. The out-group members feel like they're fighting a battle to keep from being wiped out altogether, and that affects how much energy they put into what they do. It's like some sort of insurgency with alot of them, especially the three you listed.
13291335, yup
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Oct-11-18 02:43 PM

13291181, where do people stand on TYT, secular talk and democracy now?
Posted by mista k5, Thu Oct-11-18 10:09 AM
i like democracy now and will watch the other two from time to time but usually once i hear what the story is i will exit the video as their rambling starts.

i really wish there was more straight reporting. give me the facts, maybe give an explanation of why it might had happen or what it could mean but dont go on rants about your feelings about it.
13291337, RE: where do people stand on TYT, secular talk and democracy now?
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 02:47 PM
I watch TYT casually. If Jimmy Dore is involved, EJECT -- OPERATION: DESERTION.

Secular Talk, ditto. after 2016, Kyle's turned into that anti-idpol type lefty that I ain't tryna hear

Democracy Now... eh.

I'm primarily Majority Report/Michael Brooks Show/Ben Dixon now. David Pakman as well.

Also, The Real News, which is based out of Baltimore.
13291360, will check them out
Posted by mista k5, Thu Oct-11-18 03:10 PM
>I'm primarily Majority Report/Michael Brooks Show/Ben Dixon
>now. David Pakman as well.
>
>Also, The Real News, which is based out of Baltimore.
13291364, yeah, the last one is probably more of what you're looking for
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:14 PM
Michael specializes in a lot of asshole humor, but there's a lot of deep research and analysis when he's not being the class clown.

The Real News is pretty straight ahead. occasionally they report on a local Baltimore and Maryland state topics. David Pakman has sort of said as an aside that he doesn't care for them and I can't help but wonder because they also go pretty hard in on Israel's right wing. they don't do a lot of ad hominems over there.
13291244, What's crazy to me is that Fox News isn't even owned by an American.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Oct-11-18 11:25 AM
Like they go crazy over George Soros and his Agenda but their biggest platform is owned by an Austrailian who has made clear his political influence agenda.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13291258, The Left/Dems need to attack Fox much, much more
Posted by Stadiq, Thu Oct-11-18 12:11 PM

I was thinking yesterday about how much of what is fucked up today can be tied to Fox News.

Trump and the GOP have completely torn up any idea of norms or even the appearance of norms.

The Left needs to turn Murdoch into Soros for the right, basically.

Will it change a lot of minds? No.


But maybe a few.
13291264, every time the left attacks fox news
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 12:23 PM
mainstream media closes ranks and defends fox news as a legitimate journalism outlet.

obama iced out fox news and the so called liberal media basically revolted against him.

de blasio did an interview on cnn a while ago where he started talking about the harm that murdoch outlets are doing to democracy. brian stelter basically accused him of attacking media outlets like trump.
13291300, I honestly didn't know this
Posted by Stadiq, Thu Oct-11-18 01:28 PM

>obama iced out fox news and the so called liberal media
>basically revolted against him.
>

When was this- just curious.


The only thing I'll say is that Trump and Trumpsters have destroyed all norms, so...

I could be off on this, I admit. Maybe if other Left-learning orgs went harder on Fox...and most specifically, put a face to the evil.


I sometimes forget Murdoch's name, but I read about Soros all the time lately. And I'm on the left.

13291308, oh trump has destroyed all norms for republicans
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 01:47 PM
they can do whatever they want as long as they 'win'. media still holds dems accountable for shit like civility, proper protocol, etc.

heres some of the stuff i found on a quick search about the obama vs fox news situation.
https://www.newsweek.com/when-obama-went-war-fox-news-632424
https://www.mediaite.com/online/actually-no-trumps-press-ban-is-nothing-like-obamas-spat-with-fox-news/

13291299, Two things
Posted by double negative, Thu Oct-11-18 01:24 PM
Fighting fox is like punching one of these things:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71bb70IXzeL._SY355_.jpg

they will just keep getting up.

because, this: http://www.okmoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/3-Pootie-Tang-quotes.jpg

you ever see how Tucker or Bill clam up when people start slowing time down and begin dropping truth? They can't fight it because the narrative is out of their hands
13291340, They go to commercial or run out of time.
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Oct-11-18 02:50 PM
For a short time I listened to Hannity and Rush for a few minutes when Obama had them melting down

Anytime someone called in with a great point they would go to commercial. I think it was so they could get their talking points from their assistants.

But let someone shit on Obama on a call and they would let it ride. It’s scary how many people listen to these types and eat that shit up. What’s even scarier is Trunp shitted on Fox News during the debates and didn’t show up and Fox News has to bow down to him. The ignorance is larger that Fox News.
13291312, Cenk Uygar? Ana Kasperian?
Posted by Kira, Thu Oct-11-18 02:05 PM
Young Turks vs Everybody basically
13291345, I like Ana. I can't stant Cenk
Posted by Mynoriti, Thu Oct-11-18 02:54 PM
i'm not even 100% sure why. even when he says shit I agree with I wanna push his chair over.

13291361, I'm gonna take a stab
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:11 PM
>i'm not even 100% sure why. even when he says shit I agree
>with I wanna push his chair over.

he's a "reformed conservative", which calls into question some of his motivations. his style is real fratboy, and sometimes he can't resist going into that "cast member of Porky's bag", but not too much to set off the #MeToo alarm.

but Jesus Christ the mere sight of that dude triggers the MAGAboys, it's like he's a Turkish Farrakhan, the way they ALWAYS bring up the Armenian Genocide, call him a "buffalo", and just get mad at his presence.

I'm OK with Cenk, only because his rage against the MSM over the Iraq War was as real as it got (and as it should have been IN the MSM).

Jimmy Dore can eat a swirl of doo doo on a stick though
13291363, liberal alex jones.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 03:14 PM
>Jimmy Dore can eat a swirl of doo doo on a stick though
13291366, exactly, 2016 turned him into the king of the dum-dum left
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:15 PM
and he became less funny the more Alex Jones-like he got.
13291367, who is the dum dum left? lol.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 03:18 PM
ive seen you use that before. i dont wanna make any assumptions.
13291374, it mostly means cats with a platform like Dore
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:27 PM
who play right into the hands of authoritarians in power with their particular spin on lefty politics. downplay the threat that the GOP is because "Democrats are bad, too, mmkay" and calling cats like Noam Chomsky "NEOLIBERALS" because they would vote for Hillary over Trump.


this is broken down even better over here, with an actual Brooks quote: https://johnhalle.com/michael-brooks-dum-dum-left/



13291455, oh ok thats what i was thinking.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Oct-11-18 06:50 PM
some folks are so myopic mayne.

type of people to attack a dem for not being strong enough on yemen/syria/palestine and hand an election to a repub theyre diametrically opposed to on 99% of the other issues.
13291371, Didn't he at least used to argue the Armenian genocide didn't happen?
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Oct-11-18 03:23 PM
13291375, I have no idea. But being a dude from Turkey of a certain age
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:28 PM
I wouldn't be surprised. that's the thing that the MAGAboys repeat over and over and over, so I basically see it as "Pizzagate"
13291376, nailed it
Posted by mista k5, Thu Oct-11-18 03:29 PM
>he's a "reformed conservative", which calls into question some
>of his motivations. his style is real fratboy, and sometimes
>he can't resist going into that "cast member of Porky's bag",
>but not too much to set off the #MeToo alarm.
>

its painful to see ana cringe when they do segments together. you can tell shes not fully supportive of him
13291418, no
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Oct-11-18 04:18 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
13291332, I dunno about all that, I just like watching Michael Brooks nowadays
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 02:35 PM
he's funny as fuck with his impressions of various people but mostly he hits the historical context as well as does a lot of multidimensional analysis.

him and Benjamin Dixon have been who I've been tuned into the most.
13291341, Rev William J Barber II
Posted by bentagain, Thu Oct-11-18 02:50 PM
13291358, ^^^^
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Oct-11-18 03:09 PM
13291373, Might be the only person I can think of who can speak on everything
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Oct-11-18 03:25 PM
from a place of knowledge.

Lot of people can be smart on taking apart capitalism and answering questions on health care can't bother to think twice about the prison industrial complex or racial inequality or vice versa. I've yet to hear this guy mess up on anything.
13291435, most people already mentioned, basically pretrump msnbc
Posted by sosumi, Thu Oct-11-18 05:42 PM
mainstays and all the pod saves

I have always enjoyed Elizabeth Warren’s approach to finance
presenate, she dropped gems on npr and her bank policies
might be the only government policies that have positively affected
my adult life bottom line

like Orman is inspirational and all but Warren got something done

and I am liking Anand Giridharadas again
he used to be annoying to me but his current project
on the way philanthropy works is that good calling out
progressives self righteousness

what Coates was trying to do when they wanted him to choose sides
so he just dropped out...
13291449, conservative talk radio was kinda its own thing
Posted by Riot, Thu Oct-11-18 06:34 PM
limbaugh and glenn beck found a scared, angry, easily-captivated audience that doesnt quite exist on the opposite side

but from that sprang up all the other rightwing talking heads


and as has been shown, the right pretty much listen to all the same sources, and ppl on the left listen to many different sources, so net effect is= the sources on the right are individually stronger, higher ratings, etc


i dont think those names u listed are really visible at all tho. except the few times they say something xxtra stupid and get called out.

13291715, dr. cornel west has long been on the front lines
Posted by rawsouthpaw, Sat Oct-13-18 12:22 PM
13291734, Frontlines? Was that while he was at Harvard or Princeton? LOL.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Sat Oct-13-18 06:19 PM

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
13291735, So academics can't be activists now?
Posted by mind_grapes, Sat Oct-13-18 06:34 PM
I have a lot of problems with Dr. West, but I have to say that the man has consistently put himself out there. He was in DC protesting Citizens United, getting arrested at Occupy Wall st, and was a part of a group of clergy members at Charlottesville protesting Nazis. That's sounds pretty frontline to me.
13291793, yeah even a surface knowledge of his action
Posted by rawsouthpaw, Sun Oct-14-18 09:49 PM
would dead the idea he's simply pontificating. a 2 second google image search shows him on the front lines for years. el oh el indeed

https://www.google.com/search?q=cornel+west+arrested&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=H1MeA7pRNGaOZM%253A%252C4k2GeZ3FPJHEYM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kRF65BhiUl1iLEWiMUdt3cgg36wbg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZgpixt4feAhUFVt8KHcBRA1kQ9QEwD3oECAAQDA#imgrc=H1MeA7pRNGaOZM:
13291794, I like Nomiki Konst....
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Oct-14-18 10:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAvblBnXV-w
13291796, John Burton
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Oct-14-18 10:40 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/a-former-obama-operative-built-a-new-anti-republican-attack-machine
13291806, amanda seales is cool
Posted by Crash Bandacoot, Mon Oct-15-18 01:30 AM
she's tiffany from insecure. just started listening to her podcasts, seems like she
gets it.
13291808, LOLLLLLLLLLLL
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Oct-15-18 03:59 AM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at