This has really been troubling me, the last couple of days. Unbelievably heart-breaking. 20 people dead. I can't even imagine the grief. 18 people in the limo and 2 pedestrians. There was a group of 4 sisters, multiple married couples, etc. Reading the details is...ugh. They originally rented a bus, but it broke down. They were sent a 2001 Ford Excursion, modified into a limo. One of the girls texted that the vehicle was in bad shape. Apparently, the vehicle failed a recent safety inspection and they are saying the driver was not properly licensed to operate it. Plus the company had a history of failed inspections and other vehicles being taken off the road. Then there is the release of information about the owner and him possibly being an FBI informant. This shit is going to go in SO many directions. Bottom line, though, is that 20 people are never going home to their families.

And I think that’s very tough for us culturally
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This is so very sad.

that it wasn't right but went along because this was the homegirl's 30th birthday party and it was supposed to be a day of fun for everyone. Fuck. This is tearing me up. It could be anyone.

wiped out.

I saw the article about the owner being an FBI informant and I am not sure how that is relevant to the story though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I've been seeing people saying that even if criminal charges are brought against him, he will simply just stay in Pakistan.

trash ass vehicles, driver without a CDL...

as an FBI resource, I'm guessing maybe he was in some witness protection program, or at the very least 'off the books'.

That may have enabled him to be a slumlord/bad businessman; I've read that he stayed in transitional housing, operated the business out of a abandoned lot ???? sent his relative to pick up rent/bounce.

I don't think anybody really cared about what he was doing, long as he had that info.

This shit is really sad tho. I thought it was 'terror-related', but it still isn't any less tragic that whoever this mufuga is can't drive and was in a raggedy SUV.

It's fucked up.

Unless the brakes went out, I'm not sure the limo itself was the problem. I was trying to find the address of the crash so I could look it up on Google maps, but I haven't been able to find it.

if not here is the address of the store where the limo hit the SUV and killed the 2 pedestrians.

115 State Rt 30a, Schlohaire, NY

https://www.google.com/maps/place/115+NY-30A,+Schoharie,+NY+12157/@42.7000204,-74.3011472,3a,75y,307.17h,84.07t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sovXfDd7Vg0P8kf76eGidGA!2e0!3e11!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fmaps%2Fphotothumb%2Ffd%2Fv1%3Fbpb%3DChEKD21hcHNfc3YudGFjdGlsZRIgChIJne29EgYq3IkRN-zJRCTV6_UqCg0AAAAAFQAAAAAaBQhkEMsB%26gl%3DUS!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x89dc2a0612bded9d:0xf5ebd52444c9ec37!8m2!3d42.6997711!4d-74.3015087

Car catch fire? I’m having a hard time with 18 people and none of them survived.

there is a picture of it lying in a ditch. I couldn't wrap my head around EVERY person inside dying either until I thought about it. We don't yet know how fast they were going, but...a 2001 Excursion...lets say it was the most base model...is roughly 7000lbs. Add in 18 people...say the average weight is 150lbs...that's 1200lbs. Then, throw in the additional weight of the modifications and you're looking at probably close to a 10,000lb object moving downhill at a high rate of speed, hitting a stationary SUV, careening off of it, into a ditch and striking a tree. The driver probably died instantly. The 17 people in back, if they weren't wearing seatbelts (which were not required...IF the limo even had them) would be thrown forward violently into the partition and then thrown again when the vehicle struck the tree. You're talking broken necks, fractures, blunt force trauma to heads and bodies, internal bleeding, etc.

and what role it played. They say the intersection is at the bottom
of a downward slope. They weren't going to that store, which means they were going to turn. How do you blow through a stop sign at that speed if you intend to make a turn. Did the drive pass out? Did he try to stop and mechanically could not? SO many questions.

same thing, but in the past there weren't parked cars that got slammed into - they would just run into a grassy/wooded area.

limos. You ever see those limo's where it looked like someone took a regular ass car and welded it together with some other regular ass cars in their backyard to make one very long regular ass car?

That's what it sounded like to me.


Like maybe you know, but does the factory make cars that look like this? or is it home made?

https://seehawaiiadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/20180506_113944.jpg



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

those joints are conversions. The one involved in this accident was a 2001 Ford Excursion, converted into a limo. I won't speak on this one, because I obviously don't have the specifics on it...but, the problem with most conversions is...kinda what you said. They basically cut the joint in half, add steel railing to extend it for as long as they want it and then add steel sheeting for the floor, and (hopefully) lateral stiffeners and weld it all back together. Not to mention a modified driveshaft, the long ass seats inside and outer body panels. That's alot of fucking weight added to the joint, then throw in 18 human beings and if the braking system and shit is not upgraded...ugh. Let me chill. I don't want to speculate. Shit really hurts my spirit, man.

For disaster.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"the motor is making everyone deaf", "when we get to the brewery we will all b deaf"

charged with criminally negligent homicide. The driver did not have a CDL. The Excursion failed safety inspection, last month and was ordered to be removed from service by DOT. Possibly more arrests and charges pending. Also...investigators have recovered the Excursions black box.

..damn shame.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Ford, too. It's basically the airbag control module. In the event of a crash it will automatically record a pre-determined amount of information about multiple conditions like speed, throttle position, if the brakes were applied, if seat belts were engaged, etc. I remember a story from a some years ago at an automotive training I was at...the details are fuzzy, but...a high level dude (mayor, senator or something) was in an accident and wrecked a government issued car. He said he was doing the speed limit and had is seatbelt on, but when they polled the event recorder...dude was actually doing like a buck and didn't have his seat belt on, lol.

Gladwell basically made it that case that it's not a thing.

Comes to mind because I see someone making the case that that was the blame.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"