Of all the people who should go down....it's this guy.


Kinda funny how this works, an article is posted with little to no response. People speak and there is little to no response and then...it all happens.

This fuck was in the goddamn white house with the prezdent

anyway, here's wonderwall:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html

Another campaign appearance, another Ted Nugent controversy. Mainstream Republicans and everyone to their left are appalled. But no one is surprised. Nugent’s incendiary rhetoric (read: infamous idiocy) is, at this point, expected and tiresome. It has become difficult to muster the outrage.

More unfortunate is that these incidents have had the unintended side effect of protecting Nugent from a far bigger character issue. In fact, in the case of Nugent, we have even come to see alleged child sexual abuse as some sort of eccentricity or harmless vice. Can you imagine anyone else who had been accused of having sex with a 12-year-old, written a song about raping a 13-year-old and adopted a 17-year-old so that he could have sex with her going on to campaign alongside all the most conservative “family values” candidates?

When Ted Nugent was 32 years old, he released the song “Jailbait.” Here’s a taste of the lyrics (written by him):

Well, I don’t care if you’re just 13

You look too good to be true

I just know that you’re probably clean...

Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine...

It’s quite alright, I asked your mama

Wait a minute, officer

Don’t put those handcuffs on me

Put them on her, and I’ll share her with you

The albums’ next track is titled “I Am a Predator.” I’m not kidding.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not above a really sick joke. In fact, I love them. I even think that pedophile joke in Eternal Sunshine is kinda funny and it’s supposed to be bad.

But this one isn’t funny — especially coming from Nugent.

Two years before recording “Jailbait,” Ted Nugent had the novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl, so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents having legal recourse. They acquiesced. “I guess they figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in high school,” he told VH1, years later. In the same documentary, he claimed to have had several relationships with young girls, and seems to brag about gaining their parents’ approval, too. (Though he didn’t go so far as to adopt any of them.)

That sounds... an awful lot like that line in “Jailbait.” You know, the one just before he urges the cop to handcuff the girl so they can both rape her. Wrap your mind around that for a moment: the man wrote, recorded and released a semi-autobiographical pedophile joke. And then campaigned with Rick Perry.

Okay, okay. Seventeen is not 13. I’m not going to pretend that it is, or that an adult relationship with a 17-year-old is proof that someone is a hebephile who will have sex with a 13-year-old. It isn’t a good sign, but interest in post-pubescent girls is hardly an indicator that someone likes to have sex with pre-pubescent girls. Let’s face it: all of your favorite rock stars from days gone by were having sex with underage groupies. And almost every man who isn’t a rock star has at least unwittingly fantasized about doing it. (The most common word in porn titles is “teen,” and if you think that all of those teens are really of legal age, you are incredibly naïve.)

Nugent, for his part, described himself to VH1 as “girl addicted.” “Recently,” his wife writes on her website, “we have discovered four more adult children Ted had from previous relationships.”

“Previous relationships.” Not, “his long-time hobby of siring groupie bastards.” That wouldn’t be very “family values.”

But we have pretty good reason, even beyond the autobiographical details, to believe that the choice of 13 in “Jailbait” is not entirely comedic exaggeration. For example, Courtney Love claims to have performed oral sex on Nugent when she was 12 and a half. When pressed, an uncharacteristically somber Love elaborated, “I didn’t have breasts yet... it’s sick.” This would have been around the time of Nugent’s 29th birthday.

I encourage anyone to listen to that (NSFW) interview. It isn’t leveled as some sort of angry allegation. Love comes across as fairly reluctant to reveal her age at the time of the incident. In fact, she seems to feel shame about it. (Which, of course, she should not.)

To be clear: Nugent says that he does not remember the incident with Love. He is not guilty just because he is accused. That is an incredibly serious allegation and, given that recollections are clouded by a haze of three decades and god knows how many drugs, it is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Still, he doesn’t say, “Because I wouldn’t have had sex with a 12-year-old.” He just denies recalling it. That’s very disturbing. I’ve met 30-year-olds who could pass for 15 and 15-year-olds who could pass for 30, but I have never met a 12-year-old girl who could pass for 18. Puberty is pretty key in that regard. Rather than deny that he would have done it, Ted Nugent wrote a semi-autobiographical novelty song about how he’d have liked to. He doesn’t seem to see it as a very serious allegation.

Imagine for a moment that Ted Nugent is not widely known as king of the inbred. Imagine, instead, that he is an attorney in Manhattan. Or Bono. Or that, instead of Courtney Love, he was accused of receiving oral sex from a 12-year-old boy. And then recording a song about how he’s really into that. After adopting a 17-year-old so he could have sex with her.

Would governors and congressmen hit the campaign trail with that guy? Would they send their children to his “Kamp for Kids” — and professional snipers? What would they say about almost any other man? They wouldn’t call him a creep or a redneck. They’d call him a pedophile.

Instead, Nugent is embraced as some sort of down-home firebrand. He’s a redneck rock star; sex with kids is just part of the package! Sarah Palin says that if a candidate “is good enough for Ted Nugent, he is good enough for me!” Congressmen invite him to the State of the Union. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is attacked (in a fairly convoluted way) for associating with Ronan Farrow.

How can anyone be seen on a campaign stage with a man with this sort of personal history? What is wrong with these people?

So the next time Ted Nugent says something horrible (and there will be a next time,) I encourage you to stay focused on the big picture. You know, the one of that little girl in handcuffs.

But the only people who care about this are people who already hate his guts anyway.

this is what I'm waiting on.

some other shoe has to drop

MAGA America does not care about this stuff. They would gladly serve their own daughters up to Roy Moore if they thought it would own the libs. The NRA isn't going to push back against him as a spokesman.

sure, he has a base of people but in this current climate, people are going down. If anything I would just LOVE to see how they would try to spin this.

Just keep raising this flag.

everything else will be protected roy moore style. accusations will either be lies, or fake news... ok because of the bible... or what about (insert liberal creep)?

>sure, he has a base of people but in this current climate,
>people are going down. If anything I would just LOVE to see
>how they would try to spin this.
>
>Just keep raising this flag.

If Cosby had a public image as a degenerate, the joke doesn't grab people's attention like it did.

I don't think it was as shocking that someone was a serial rapist, but that Cosby was.

Nugent is already vile and unfortunately, like the author is getting at, the sexual behavior of rock stars of that generation is already normalized. People aren't as shocked by this revelation as they ought to be.

but I guess I understimated at least two things

---the number of people who seriously did not know about the rape charges at all to any extent or had forgotten about them

---how much different things are in the internet generation. Cosby had been able to pressure the media off of the story for all these years, but now that there's more than three networks it just didn't work anymore.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia


Shit is worse than just liking young girls, dude wrote songs about little girls that aren't even developed yet, physically.

he's BEEN a piece of shit and if someone came forward right now and said he raped them, and they were 15, and had proof, the people that support him and political views wouldn't care.

they don't care that he fucked kids, or admitted shitting in his pants to avoid vietnam. as long as he keeps trolling liberals,and doesn't cross Trump they'll have his back.

he has no reason to worry about the wrath of people who already think he's a piece of shit.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Kinda disappointed Rogan continually panders to these nutjobs

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Yeah, I used to listen his podcast quite a bit but I had to stop because he normalizes some pretty bad people and ideas. I don't think he's solid behind an ideology and actually bounces around quite a bit to the point of no consistency, but he flies a little too close to the crazy right wingers.

Its too bad because he seems like a good dude and I really enjoyed his podcast when it wasn't including those elements.

and you just explained why.

I can't seem to figure out what team hes playing for

.

Joe has become the voice and channel of the "wronged white dude"

it's fucking silly and annoying..

He has too many white dude blind spots.. and it's odd considering he stays bringing out black openers and brings them on the podcast

His health conversations I DO think can be important.. we need a way for this info to get to the world faster....

but yea...

WTF Ted Nugent

i enjoy the podcast sometimes, and I kind of appreciate that he isn't firmly on a "side", and even though I'd never sit through 2 hours plus, or even two minutes of Ted Nugent, I don't really trip on Joe having him on, but he does tend to lowkey champion any white dude who feels victimized by, or loves to complain about what they see as liberal intolerance (Peterson, Shapiro, etc..) He rarely pushes back on these guys. I can't speak on how the Nugent thing went (or how Roseanne would have been) but I assume, same deal.

>Joe has become the voice and channel of the "wronged white
>dude"

He rarely pushes back...

I think he believes he is "For Entertainment Purposes Only" but he doesn't realize the audience doesn't know the difference

what would he do differently.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

rogan and his ilk's (aubrey marcus/theo von/etc) function is to normalize and disseminate this shit. they are what puts the alt in alt right. they are mainstream and non-threatening enough to make the alt-right mouthpiece seem like something other than what they are and get it out to an audience much wider and 'acceptable' than the folks who might attend something like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbZicCvUQAAdWwz.jpg (anybody recognize a couple of jre podcast guests in that lineup?)

under the guise of 'i want to give people a platform to discuss ideas'

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1013825279939104768

Now this is a party. @jordanbpeterson @EricRWeinstein @RubinReport @joerogan @SamHarrisOrg



HE LIKES THESE PEOPLE AND SUPPORTS THEIR AGENDAS WITH HIS POPULAR PODCAST.

do the math.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Ya'll gotta stop letting these folks in an be so comfortable.

>Kinda disappointed Rogan continually panders to these
>nutjobs

I made it through the 3+ hours.

He denied the 3 allegations, Drumph style. I believe he’s lying about all 3 - especially the sicko adoption one because I saw the actual girl in question on VH1. Just a grating dishonest “always right” and “white is always right” personality.

When he pulled the “my drummer is Mexican” and “my band mate is black” card, Joe should’ve and could’ve checked him.

>Of all the people who should go down....it's this guy.
>
>
>Kinda funny how this works, an article is posted with little
>to no response. People speak and there is little to no
>response and then...it all happens.
>
>This fuck was in the goddamn white house with the prezdent
>
>anyway, here's wonderwall:
>
>https://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html
>
>Another campaign appearance, another Ted Nugent controversy.
>Mainstream Republicans and everyone to their left are
>appalled. But no one is surprised. Nugent’s incendiary
>rhetoric (read: infamous idiocy) is, at this point, expected
>and tiresome. It has become difficult to muster the outrage.
>
>More unfortunate is that these incidents have had the
>unintended side effect of protecting Nugent from a far bigger
>character issue. In fact, in the case of Nugent, we have even
>come to see alleged child sexual abuse as some sort of
>eccentricity or harmless vice. Can you imagine anyone else who
>had been accused of having sex with a 12-year-old, written a
>song about raping a 13-year-old and adopted a 17-year-old so
>that he could have sex with her going on to campaign alongside
>all the most conservative “family values” candidates?
>
>When Ted Nugent was 32 years old, he released the song
>“Jailbait.” Here’s a taste of the lyrics (written by
>him):
>
>Well, I don’t care if you’re just 13
>
>You look too good to be true
>
>I just know that you’re probably clean...
>
>Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine...
>
>It’s quite alright, I asked your mama
>
>Wait a minute, officer
>
>Don’t put those handcuffs on me
>
>Put them on her, and I’ll share her with you
>
>The albums’ next track is titled “I Am a Predator.”
>I’m not kidding.
>
>Don’t get me wrong. I’m not above a really sick joke. In
>fact, I love them. I even think that pedophile joke in Eternal
>Sunshine is kinda funny and it’s supposed to be bad.
>
>But this one isn’t funny — especially coming from Nugent.
>
>Two years before recording “Jailbait,” Ted Nugent had the
>novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl,
>so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents
>having legal recourse. They acquiesced. “I guess they
>figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in high
>school,” he told VH1, years later. In the same documentary,
>he claimed to have had several relationships with young girls,
>and seems to brag about gaining their parents’ approval,
>too. (Though he didn’t go so far as to adopt any of them.)
>
>That sounds... an awful lot like that line in “Jailbait.”
>You know, the one just before he urges the cop to handcuff the
>girl so they can both rape her. Wrap your mind around that for
>a moment: the man wrote, recorded and released a
>semi-autobiographical pedophile joke. And then campaigned with
>Rick Perry.
>
>Okay, okay. Seventeen is not 13. I’m not going to pretend
>that it is, or that an adult relationship with a 17-year-old
>is proof that someone is a hebephile who will have sex with a
>13-year-old. It isn’t a good sign, but interest in
>post-pubescent girls is hardly an indicator that someone likes
>to have sex with pre-pubescent girls. Let’s face it: all of
>your favorite rock stars from days gone by were having sex
>with underage groupies. And almost every man who isn’t a
>rock star has at least unwittingly fantasized about doing it.
>(The most common word in porn titles is “teen,” and if you
>think that all of those teens are really of legal age, you are
>incredibly naïve.)
>
>Nugent, for his part, described himself to VH1 as “girl
>addicted.” “Recently,” his wife writes on her website,
>“we have discovered four more adult children Ted had from
>previous relationships.”
>
>“Previous relationships.” Not, “his long-time hobby of
>siring groupie bastards.” That wouldn’t be very “family
>values.”
>
>But we have pretty good reason, even beyond the
>autobiographical details, to believe that the choice of 13 in
>“Jailbait” is not entirely comedic exaggeration. For
>example, Courtney Love claims to have performed oral sex on
>Nugent when she was 12 and a half. When pressed, an
>uncharacteristically somber Love elaborated, “I didn’t
>have breasts yet... it’s sick.” This would have been
>around the time of Nugent’s 29th birthday.
>
>I encourage anyone to listen to that (NSFW) interview. It
>isn’t leveled as some sort of angry allegation. Love comes
>across as fairly reluctant to reveal her age at the time of
>the incident. In fact, she seems to feel shame about it.
>(Which, of course, she should not.)
>
>To be clear: Nugent says that he does not remember the
>incident with Love. He is not guilty just because he is
>accused. That is an incredibly serious allegation and, given
>that recollections are clouded by a haze of three decades and
>god knows how many drugs, it is to be taken with a grain of
>salt.
>
>Still, he doesn’t say, “Because I wouldn’t have had sex
>with a 12-year-old.” He just denies recalling it. That’s
>very disturbing. I’ve met 30-year-olds who could pass for 15
>and 15-year-olds who could pass for 30, but I have never met a
>12-year-old girl who could pass for 18. Puberty is pretty key
>in that regard. Rather than deny that he would have done it,
>Ted Nugent wrote a semi-autobiographical novelty song about
>how he’d have liked to. He doesn’t seem to see it as a
>very serious allegation.
>
>Imagine for a moment that Ted Nugent is not widely known as
>king of the inbred. Imagine, instead, that he is an attorney
>in Manhattan. Or Bono. Or that, instead of Courtney Love, he
>was accused of receiving oral sex from a 12-year-old boy. And
>then recording a song about how he’s really into that. After
>adopting a 17-year-old so he could have sex with her.
>
>Would governors and congressmen hit the campaign trail with
>that guy? Would they send their children to his “Kamp for
>Kids” — and professional snipers? What would they say
>about almost any other man? They wouldn’t call him a creep
>or a redneck. They’d call him a pedophile.
>
>Instead, Nugent is embraced as some sort of down-home
>firebrand. He’s a redneck rock star; sex with kids is just
>part of the package! Sarah Palin says that if a candidate
>“is good enough for Ted Nugent, he is good enough for me!”
>Congressmen invite him to the State of the Union. Meanwhile,
>Hillary Clinton is attacked (in a fairly convoluted way) for
>associating with Ronan Farrow.
>
>How can anyone be seen on a campaign stage with a man with
>this sort of personal history? What is wrong with these
>people?
>
>So the next time Ted Nugent says something horrible (and there
>will be a next time,) I encourage you to stay focused on the
>big picture. You know, the one of that little girl in
>handcuffs.

>I made it through the 3+ hours.
>
>He denied the 3 allegations, Drumph style. I believe he’s
>lying about all 3 - especially the sicko adoption one because
>I saw the actual girl in question on VH1. Just a grating
>dishonest “always right” and “white is always right”
>personality.
>
>When he pulled the “my drummer is Mexican” and “my band
>mate is black” card, Joe should’ve and could’ve checked
>him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orz0zxH72K4

Not sure what the denials today are about, but this was already admitted by him


>I made it through the 3+ hours.
>
>He denied the 3 allegations, Drumph style. I believe he’s
>lying about all 3 - especially the sicko adoption one because
>I saw the actual girl in question on VH1. Just a grating
>dishonest “always right” and “white is always right”
>personality.
>
>When he pulled the “my drummer is Mexican” and “my band
>mate is black” card, Joe should’ve and could’ve checked
>him.
>
>>Of all the people who should go down....it's this guy.
>>
>>
>>Kinda funny how this works, an article is posted with little
>>to no response. People speak and there is little to no
>>response and then...it all happens.
>>
>>This fuck was in the goddamn white house with the prezdent
>>
>>anyway, here's wonderwall:
>>
>>https://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html
>>
>>Another campaign appearance, another Ted Nugent controversy.
>>Mainstream Republicans and everyone to their left are
>>appalled. But no one is surprised. Nugent’s incendiary
>>rhetoric (read: infamous idiocy) is, at this point, expected
>>and tiresome. It has become difficult to muster the outrage.
>>
>>More unfortunate is that these incidents have had the
>>unintended side effect of protecting Nugent from a far
>bigger
>>character issue. In fact, in the case of Nugent, we have
>even
>>come to see alleged child sexual abuse as some sort of
>>eccentricity or harmless vice. Can you imagine anyone else
>who
>>had been accused of having sex with a 12-year-old, written a
>>song about raping a 13-year-old and adopted a 17-year-old so
>>that he could have sex with her going on to campaign
>alongside
>>all the most conservative “family values” candidates?
>>
>>When Ted Nugent was 32 years old, he released the song
>>“Jailbait.” Here’s a taste of the lyrics (written by
>>him):
>>
>>Well, I don’t care if you’re just 13
>>
>>You look too good to be true
>>
>>I just know that you’re probably clean...
>>
>>Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine...
>>
>>It’s quite alright, I asked your mama
>>
>>Wait a minute, officer
>>
>>Don’t put those handcuffs on me
>>
>>Put them on her, and I’ll share her with you
>>
>>The albums’ next track is titled “I Am a Predator.”
>>I’m not kidding.
>>
>>Don’t get me wrong. I’m not above a really sick joke. In
>>fact, I love them. I even think that pedophile joke in
>Eternal
>>Sunshine is kinda funny and it’s supposed to be bad.
>>
>>But this one isn’t funny — especially coming from
>Nugent.
>>
>>Two years before recording “Jailbait,” Ted Nugent had
>the
>>novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl,
>>so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents
>>having legal recourse. They acquiesced. “I guess they
>>figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in
>high
>>school,” he told VH1, years later. In the same
>documentary,
>>he claimed to have had several relationships with young
>girls,
>>and seems to brag about gaining their parents’ approval,
>>too. (Though he didn’t go so far as to adopt any of them.)
>>
>>That sounds... an awful lot like that line in
>“Jailbait.”
>>You know, the one just before he urges the cop to handcuff
>the
>>girl so they can both rape her. Wrap your mind around that
>for
>>a moment: the man wrote, recorded and released a
>>semi-autobiographical pedophile joke. And then campaigned
>with
>>Rick Perry.
>>
>>Okay, okay. Seventeen is not 13. I’m not going to pretend
>>that it is, or that an adult relationship with a 17-year-old
>>is proof that someone is a hebephile who will have sex with
>a
>>13-year-old. It isn’t a good sign, but interest in
>>post-pubescent girls is hardly an indicator that someone
>likes
>>to have sex with pre-pubescent girls. Let’s face it: all
>of
>>your favorite rock stars from days gone by were having sex
>>with underage groupies. And almost every man who isn’t a
>>rock star has at least unwittingly fantasized about doing
>it.
>>(The most common word in porn titles is “teen,” and if
>you
>>think that all of those teens are really of legal age, you
>are
>>incredibly naïve.)
>>
>>Nugent, for his part, described himself to VH1 as “girl
>>addicted.” “Recently,” his wife writes on her website,
>>“we have discovered four more adult children Ted had from
>>previous relationships.”
>>
>>“Previous relationships.” Not, “his long-time hobby of
>>siring groupie bastards.” That wouldn’t be very
>“family
>>values.”
>>
>>But we have pretty good reason, even beyond the
>>autobiographical details, to believe that the choice of 13
>in
>>“Jailbait” is not entirely comedic exaggeration. For
>>example, Courtney Love claims to have performed oral sex on
>>Nugent when she was 12 and a half. When pressed, an
>>uncharacteristically somber Love elaborated, “I didn’t
>>have breasts yet... it’s sick.” This would have been
>>around the time of Nugent’s 29th birthday.
>>
>>I encourage anyone to listen to that (NSFW) interview. It
>>isn’t leveled as some sort of angry allegation. Love comes
>>across as fairly reluctant to reveal her age at the time of
>>the incident. In fact, she seems to feel shame about it.
>>(Which, of course, she should not.)
>>
>>To be clear: Nugent says that he does not remember the
>>incident with Love. He is not guilty just because he is
>>accused. That is an incredibly serious allegation and, given
>>that recollections are clouded by a haze of three decades
>and
>>god knows how many drugs, it is to be taken with a grain of
>>salt.
>>
>>Still, he doesn’t say, “Because I wouldn’t have had
>sex
>>with a 12-year-old.” He just denies recalling it. That’s
>>very disturbing. I’ve met 30-year-olds who could pass for
>15
>>and 15-year-olds who could pass for 30, but I have never met
>a
>>12-year-old girl who could pass for 18. Puberty is pretty
>key
>>in that regard. Rather than deny that he would have done it,
>>Ted Nugent wrote a semi-autobiographical novelty song about
>>how he’d have liked to. He doesn’t seem to see it as a
>>very serious allegation.
>>
>>Imagine for a moment that Ted Nugent is not widely known as
>>king of the inbred. Imagine, instead, that he is an attorney
>>in Manhattan. Or Bono. Or that, instead of Courtney Love, he
>>was accused of receiving oral sex from a 12-year-old boy.
>And
>>then recording a song about how he’s really into that.
>After
>>adopting a 17-year-old so he could have sex with her.
>>
>>Would governors and congressmen hit the campaign trail with
>>that guy? Would they send their children to his “Kamp for
>>Kids” — and professional snipers? What would they say
>>about almost any other man? They wouldn’t call him a creep
>>or a redneck. They’d call him a pedophile.
>>
>>Instead, Nugent is embraced as some sort of down-home
>>firebrand. He’s a redneck rock star; sex with kids is just
>>part of the package! Sarah Palin says that if a candidate
>>“is good enough for Ted Nugent, he is good enough for
>me!”
>>Congressmen invite him to the State of the Union. Meanwhile,
>>Hillary Clinton is attacked (in a fairly convoluted way) for
>>associating with Ronan Farrow.
>>
>>How can anyone be seen on a campaign stage with a man with
>>this sort of personal history? What is wrong with these
>>people?
>>
>>So the next time Ted Nugent says something horrible (and
>there
>>will be a next time,) I encourage you to stay focused on the
>>big picture. You know, the one of that little girl in
>>handcuffs.
>