https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/magazine/gayle-king-thinks-metoo-needs-due-process.html

You’ve talked about the potential for backlash to the #MeToo movement. How do you see that playing out?

I do worry about that, because I think when a woman makes an accusation, the man instantly gets the death penalty. There has to be some sort of due process here. All of these inappropriate behaviors are not all the same.

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Is being fired a particularly harsh punishment?

In some cases, yes.

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But what about the rumors that some of these men will have a comeback?

Sometimes it just doesn’t seem as if they’ve really taken a hit. It depends on who you’re talking about. We’re talking in generalities here, because many of the cases are different, but what I do know is you can’t come back if you don’t get the lesson and you haven’t acknowledged that you behaved badly.


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We tried to have this discussion about "nuance" and "context" on this very board a few months ago but the topic was still too hot. Wonder if that's still the case.

>We tried to have this discussion about "nuance" and "context"
>on this very board a few months ago but the topic was still
>too hot. Wonder if that's still the case.

still can't find an actual situation it applies to, but they won't stop looking for some weird reason.


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maybe i'll come back tomorrow to patiently explain to y'all (yet again) why she's NOT right.

I gotta go drive.

d

there is absolutely no justification for what she's saying.

no one has received any death penalty.

it is a non-thing.

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also wants to judge others without applying said process. because he only wants what he thinks is due process in one specific area.

it's not argument or a side at all, it's a misdirection.

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>there is absolutely no justification for what she's saying.
>
>no one has received any death penalty.

I'm fairly certain that her "death penalty" line was hyperbole. And due process doesn't have to be a judicial thing.

Most of the cats that have been caught up in this have eventually copped to it. That's fine. Send them on their way.

I don't see a problem with allowing someone to present their side of the story to show that they may not have done what they're accused of.

that's not a side.

and if they haven't received the death penalty then let's be precise in our language.

what exactly has happened, and based on what?

because if you look at what people have actually gotten, I don't know how you would describe that as not due process.


but that would involve an actual description of what we're talking about and not admitted "hyperbole"

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>that's not a side.
>
>and if they haven't received the death penalty then let's be
>precise in our language.
>
>what exactly has happened, and based on what?
>
>because if you look at what people have actually gotten, I
>don't know how you would describe that as not due process.
>
>
>but that would involve an actual description of what we're
>talking about and not admitted "hyperbole"
>
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No one has said they can't. Damali's post indicated that she thought the opposite about what Gayle was saying, therefore I wanted to understand her (Damali's) side. Let's not play the semantics game, man.

which is accurate, but it doesn't imply anything about a side.


it's like I said, there are no sides in this because the thing that Gayle is claiming is a problem, simply doesn't exist.

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please imprison yourself wherever you are until one of out hypothetical bailiffs is able to reach you, since we're in an imaginary court of law.


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can apply outside of a courtroom setting.

And, again to the intelligent person (so definitely not to you), "the death penalty" could be used as a figure of speech.

how have you applied that to my response before you judged it?

where's my fucking hypothetical lawyer?

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Weren't you just implying that it only applied to the actions of courts?

I find you guilty of sophistry.

you are hereby sentenced to one million years in hypothetical jail.

just stay where you are and wait for the bailiff, your appeals have been denied.

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where's the judge?

what kind of kangaroo imaginary court is this?


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hunh?
he did...and you wai....huh?

http://www.tmz.com/2018/06/13/jamie-foxx-accused-penis-slap-las-vegas-police-report/

yeah, this sounds suspect as hell.

but this article had a link about Kady Kyle (Parker McKenna Posey) from "my wife and kids".

I use to think Jennifer Freeman was such a cutie on that show and Kady was...well, a kid.

Then I saw these:
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She's 22 now. And yeah, now I feel old. :(

She's stunning though.

>hunh?
>he did...and you wai....huh?

There have been some instances where men have been struck hard after accusations have been made some some instances where men are still able to work and collect paychecks, so IMO, it's a bit tough to make sweeping generalizations about this #metoo situation.

>I do worry about that, because I think when a woman makes an
>accusation, the man instantly gets the death penalty.

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They did not need to behead Kevin Spacey and put his head upon a pike for all to see. That was too far.

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where's the tape?

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just to get to the due process part

The Cosby allegations were out there for a long fucking time

it wasn't until the court of public opinion decided to hear the case that he faced legal ramifications

I'm sure Weinstein was no revelation either

I follow her logic, some of the accused are going to suffer disproportionate penalties...and some may even be innocent

But part of the issue is the accusers are not taken serious legally and their cases weren't moving past the accusation phase

seems like a catch 22 to say...we should have faith in our legal process...when that legal process has failed for so long IRT sex crimes.

to hear black men arguing that actually, the justice system has the best way to handle things and it should be applied everywhere at all times.

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These women actually went to the police

had rape kits done

and were still ignored by the legal system

http://www.endthebacklog.org/california

Gayle's missing the point with her reply IMO

-1 making that statement as a black woman.

I met a math dude at the university here who was working on an algorithm just to try and help police predict how many serial rapists they'd find based on these unprocessed kits and the numbers are staggering.


like, dragged women kicking and screaming off the street, and then were never ever caught even though their victims reported the crimes.

but we're worried that things are going too far

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When we know that's not really the case.

There's none in the court of public opinion and I've gotta admit that I believe just about every allegation bc we all know a grimy dude or two and have probably engaged in some griminess of our own.

At work? It's all business decision... these companies aren't firing highly paid employees on a mere allegation.

No one wants their company associated with this scandal, because ultimately these companies only care about keeping up appearances and keeping the money flowing. I think there's some pressure on some of these guys to stand down. I don't have any proof, I'm just making a guess because I know people who know people that got caught up.

given their side?

Weinstein put out a "I'm too busy bringing down Trump and the NRA to remember this and here's a fake Jay-Z quote" statement the day the first NYT article came out.

Louis had a statement
Spacey used his to come out of the closet to distract
Franken stayed talking about it
Cosby had two different days in court

Maybe I am missing someone, but who has had their job prevent them from saying something?

based on a passed on rumor from unnamed people.

this is how "due process" falls apart.

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but the initial public opinion is strong as hell

There was a dude who was accused of breaking a woman's arm, knocking a second woman out over a traffic dispute. He spent 11 days in jail. Turns out these 2 women had a history of fabricating traffic incidents and jumping on hoods to fake injuries in parking lots.

The initial story tho? Dude was a monster..

http://wgntv.com/2018/06/12/charges-dropped-against-oregon-driver-accused-of-breaking-womans-arm/

crazy ass story

it's literally getting due process in the courts

every part of the argument doesn't apply

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one tweet and folks go ham..

by the time you respond you are looking guilty as hell regardless of your side being told

his problem wasn't a tweet.

(also, he did punch their window, the trouble he was in was mostly because of what he did do, they just lied crazy on top of it)

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Gayle King is not known for being particularly knowledgeable or eloquent or current on social issues...that aside

the #metoo movement has not yet gone far enough...especially when far more concern is shown for the men that have been affeccted by the exposure than for the women they victimized..named and unnamed. for every woman that comes forward, there are 2, 3, 4 or more that didn't and simply quit their job, ended their career from being discouraged, lost the confidence to continue, were blackballed...etc etc

Weinstein singlehandedly ended Mira Sorvino's career by spreading a rumor that she was difficult to work with. No one would hire her. he cost her money. and that's just one case we know about

Matt Lauer, the Ren and Stimpy dude, Louis C.K....so many women that they demeaned and harrassed and molested simply gave up.

where is the concern or remorse or renumeration for them?

So no. too many women have been sacrificed at the altar of patriarchy. for patriarchy to end, men have to lose a little bit of footing...that's not about revenge; its about making space for fairness and equality. to make space, you gotta move. period.

none of these dudes have died. only 2 so far have actually been arrested...the rest are sitting in the wings waiting for the right time to make their comeback, which WILL be allowed because patriarchy

but there's no comeback for most of the women that have spoken out, so far. their names are not so easily unmuddied..they are forever scarred as the slut who lied to get fame and money

so no. fuck this misplaced concern for men who cling to toxic mores and behaviors and hide behind the social contract that says its "not that bad" or "not real assault". nope.

this shit is just getting started.

d

>but there's no comeback for most of the women that have spoken
>out, so far. their names are not so easily unmuddied..they are
>forever scarred as the slut who lied to get fame and money.

Really?

Are there people aside from say your mistermaxes or your Cosby-NBC shippers who see it this way?

Look at the social media mentions of any national (or local) politician who said Al Franken needed to go.

Or read this by one of the women who named Louis CK
http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/louis-c-k-put-me-in-a-lose-lose-situation.html

or you could just deny it.


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folks taking the death penalty literally?

good lawd.

Oh yeah??? When were the players executed? Did they hang them or give then the electric chair??

No wonder this site fell off

All those folks who posted DEAD actually died

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how's everyone?

So, so, so problematic.

Her posture, this entire narrative is dripping with patriarchy. Blech.

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