I like Warren but the Pocahontas shit is hilarious.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-dna-test/index.html

"Let me tell you the story of my family. ... My daddy first saw my mother when they were both teenagers. He fell in love with this tall, quiet girl who played the piano. Head over heels. But his family was bitterly opposed to their relationship because she was part Native American," Warren, D-Massachusetts, told "Meet the Press." Her parents, she said, eventually eloped.”

These days with so many people using Ancestry and places like that, it’s a little funny to hear she won’t privide scientific evidence.

Folks tell all types of stories that embellish the truth when talking about family.

I know it’s just a distraction from more important things but this is politics and this type of story always “trumps” the real issues.

https://www.google.com/search?q=elizabeth+warren+mother&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jky9kDhLWSD7tM%253A%252Cq0MWi1G8QkGvNM%252C_&usg=__DTFaM8ReXUx-sC5_JqwoNiRNMI0%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_-53r_-vZAhUhwFkKHYL9BWAQ9QEIbjAO#imgrc=jqiUcBNr0zfbhM:


If that's her mom, then visually it's feasible.


Also, I wouldn't get a DNA test to prove my ancestry either. FOH. Folks act like they are some authority that must be answered to.

Damn doggie
You fell off.

but yes, I find it funny.

this is a bit more like him calling that dolzeal lady harriet tubman

you'd have to go with someone whose legitimacy is in question

nobody is confused about water's background

if he called waters harriet tubman it would be more of a looks/age joke to be offended about than a racial one

If Warren's big thing was trading on her native americanism and used that to her advantage, that would be one thing.

But they are doing to her what they so successfully did to HRC which is find one inconsistency and define that person by that apparent inconsistency.

Everytime Elizabeth Warren is on TV talking about her Indian Heritage, they win.




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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You on the wrong side this time.

.

It's outrageous. Believe her or not, whatever. Who cares. But this call for her do a DNA test is just the right's racism, and they're mocking a complex discussion of native identity and being of native descent while simultaneously trying to take her down

but nevertheless, their calls for her to just "spit in a tube" to prove nativeness offends the complexity of that conversation regardless

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Inappropriate, sure.
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Definition of slur

1 a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo : aspersion


So stop being pedantic. It is literally the definition of a slur.
You're seeming to want to conflate it with the appropriateness of a slur, i.e. Would it be bleeped by the FCC or could someone get away with it without going through HR
But you're missing the point, it's inappropriate name calling meant to disparge another person based on racism. It's a slur.

which is any insult. I'm pretty sure that ethinc/racial slurs are by definition aimed to disparage a group. Pocahontas, Jerome, Becky, etc. are aimed at individuals.

So then if you choose to call it a slur, which is accurate, I believe you are being dishonest because slur is never used in that context. In today's vernacular, slur implies racial slur, and Pocahontas is not a racial slur. So if it's only an insult, why not call it an insult? Dishonesty is bad.

>Definition of slur
>
>1 a : an insulting or disparaging remark or innuendo :
>aspersion
>
>
>So stop being pedantic. It is literally the definition of a
>slur.
>You're seeming to want to conflate it with the appropriateness
>of a slur, i.e. Would it be bleeped by the FCC or could
>someone get away with it without going through HR
>But you're missing the point, it's inappropriate name calling
>meant to disparge another person based on racism. It's a slur.
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And just because it's not what YOU would consider offensive doesn't mean that it's not a slur.
And when talking about common use, in a professional setting (which politics is) it's a slur. It doesn't have to be overtly racial. It doesn't even have to be racial but this just happens to be.

I'm asserting that it's not a racial slur, but I'll concede that it is a slur by the archaic definition that nobody goes by in modern language.

>And just because it's not what YOU would consider offensive
>doesn't mean that it's not a slur.
>And when talking about common use, in a professional setting
>(which politics is) it's a slur. It doesn't have to be
>overtly racial. It doesn't even have to be racial but this
>just happens to be.


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I personally never see anyone ever use "insult" and "slur" interchangeably.
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slur?!?!?

Dawg the gymnastics you doing right now.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Is a whack statement but at least it's honest. But this shit is goofy.
It's like my best friend who tries to tell me I'm 5'10 because he's an inch taller and feels that he's 5'11. Like doggie, the tape measure shows we both average as fuck just live with it.

Slurs"

SMH.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Slurs"
>
>SMH.
>
>
>**********
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"


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then nah... I wouldn’t see it as a racial slur.

Just like I don’t think it’s a racial slur when Black folks get clowned for claiming they are Native American just cause they got “good hair”

I thought I changed it before I posted

can we agree that "calling someone out their name" fits?

can we agree Trump doing it is "race baiting"?

(i'm reminded of the scene in Royal Tennenbaums when hackman's character calls Danny Glovers "coltrane")

i kinda wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes...

They're not splitting hairs, they're factually and provably incorrect

>can we agree that "calling someone out their name" fits?
>
>can we agree Trump doing it is "race baiting"?
>
>(i'm reminded of the scene in Royal Tennenbaums when hackman's
>character calls Danny Glovers "coltrane")
>
>i kinda wanna see how deep this rabbit hole goes...
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what does that mean

or are you poasting?

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so you DON'T see it as "race baiting" when he does that?

wow

I personally do not because it's aimed at an individual and has nothing to do with Native Americans as a group.
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does that hold in all cases?

just so I understand you seem to be saying:

if someone calls person X out of their name (using an "ethnic" name) it's OK because that is a personal attack

is someone desparages a GROUP that's not ok because.... why now?

I never said it's okay. I just said that something like Becky or Pocahontas is not a racial slur because it's aimed at an individual and not a group.

Just because I'm saying that it's dishonest to call Pocahontas a slur (implying racial slur) doesn't mean I think it's okay to use those kinds of words against people.

>does that hold in all cases?
>
>just so I understand you seem to be saying:
>
>if someone calls person X out of their name (using an "ethnic"
>name) it's OK because that is a personal attack
>
>is someone desparages a GROUP that's not ok because.... why
>now?
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but me thinks this only goes one way for obvious reasons.

between slur and racial slur. And admittedly I probably muddied that waters by initially saying it's not a slur because to me slur = racial slur. I literally never hear or read anyone using the word slur as a synonym for a general insult, so when I read slur, I assumed that racial slur was being implied.
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so in itself no it's not a racial slur but in that context it's being used in the fashion of a racial slur.

its just jokes

Maybe think this through a bit sparky

your welfare check and watermelon yet?

That wouldn't be racist because she isn't black?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

So how isn't the stereotypical name Shenaquita not racist?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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Stupidity.
Like y'all are really trying to find nuance in bullshit and can't call a spade a spade.
A known racist makes a racist remark and y'all are trying to ride with it because it's funny to you.
Ok.

That's what we're going with?

One rich and powerful individual, yes.
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Why go with this?

(Because you're being dishonest)

I'm not going with it. All I said is that it's dishonest to call it a slur because slur implies racial slur in today's vernacular, and it's not a racial slur because it's aimed at an individual and does not refer to a group.
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So I get why you guys have been jumping around. But you can take the L.

Trump is calling her the name Pocahontas. He's not saying "she's a Pocahontas."
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And somehow this all makes sense in his head. Like the mental gymnastics and contradictions are just missing him.

Honestly, it's sort of refreshing to see in a messageboard context. It's like you're a time traveler from 2003 sent into the future to suck at posting.

Yeah, I openly admit that I'm bad at at it because I'm not trying to win. People on message boards are usually trying to win and not trying to have a real discussion. So I usually lose in terms of message board currency (whatever that may be), and I'm fine with that.
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That should really pay off for you.

Is it really pedantry? Racial slur is a pretty big accusation, in my opinion.

>That should really pay off for you.


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... that the distinction you're making is one you've invented.

I doubt that one more person is going to make you realize that they're right.

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

it is probably a slur.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/28/pocahontas-racist-eric-trump-defends-his-dad-but-native-americans-say-otherwise/902837001/


Funny that folks can't see that they are the white co-worker complaining about their black co-workers being so sensitive about their Obama Jokes.


I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People" but methinks I can see it at times.



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black
>People" but methinks I can see it at times.

WTH?

so slurring Straight Black men is okay?

sheesh

y'all gonna make me go to sports....

i missed the memo

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

the "well played"-ness of it in context amuses me

*assuming the person who said "Tyrone" is B/black

otherwise....

so...

no

Tyrone is a mythical negro that every ain’t shit brotha has in his crew.

the lyric:
"See every time you come around you got to bring Jim, James, Paul, and Tyrone"

the popularity of the song made the name Tyrone into shorthand for "triflin dude"

as a sidebar: tyrone got a raw deal

the BOYFRIEND is the *actual* trifin' dude, and the homie tyrone gotta get his name all besmirched

Just like Becky with the good hair isnt a real person

These arent racial slurs... just names associated with trifeness or trampness

real as in: he is an character in the story, not a representation of a type

NOT real as is: he needs to file his taxes

when shit goes sideways.

>as a sidebar: tyrone got a raw deal
>
>the BOYFRIEND is the *actual* trifin' dude, and the homie
>tyrone gotta get his name all besmirched

>>I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of
>Black
>>People" but methinks I can see it at times.
>
>WTH?
>
>so slurring Straight Black men is okay?
>
>sheesh
>
>y'all gonna make me go to sports....


But I don't think it's saying that slurring straight black men is OK. I read it as saying that black men tend to look down on black people who are not straight black men (gays, lesbians, women, etc.) in the same manner that white folks look down on everybody who's not white.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

right?

"tend to"?

c'mon b

black men tend to be lazy
black men tend to abandon their kids and be poor fathers when they don't
black men tend to be homophobic
black men tend to hate women

dont' say it, then hedge it with "I scan see that" in the *same post* where you're defending against using slurs against white women

A white males privilege when they are doing something white male privilege-ly.

I mean, is it stereotyping to say white people need to recognize their privilege?


or coming at it more straightforwardly:

I often see how black people, or even black men more specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the issue (memba that black male privilege post?).

Is that observation stereotyping? If so I might be okay with stereotyping sometimes.






>right?
>
>"tend to"?
>
>c'mon b
>
>black men tend to be lazy
>black men tend to abandon their kids and be poor fathers when
>they don't
>black men tend to be homophobic
>black men tend to hate women
>
>dont' say it, then hedge it with "I scan see that" in the
>*same post* where you're defending against using slurs against
>white women
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I often see how black people, or even black men more
>specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often
>see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the
>issue (memba that black male privilege post?).

I often see how individuals within *whatever* group(s) you want to dump them into exercise whatever you want to label as privilege

(my definition: privilege having to do with exercising of power)

but....

you specifically (at first) selected the trifecta of:

- black
- hetero
- male

>Is that observation stereotyping?

yep

>If so I might be okay with
>stereotyping sometimes.

yep

Dude knows the "you acting like a white male" is the lowedt thing you can say to a Black man.

This is the same guy DEFENDING Devos' ignorance in another thread on some "I don' think she is evil"

He knows exactly what he is doing and it isnt stereotyping.. just being lazy.

And to be clear, my position on this topic isn't that I am anti the usage of slurs. My position is it's a slur and let's recognize it as such.

My first point in #5 regarding why I don't find the Pocahontas funny has nothing to do with it being a slur.



>>I often see how black people, or even black men more
>>specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I
>often
>>see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the
>>issue (memba that black male privilege post?).
>
>I often see how individuals within *whatever* group(s) you
>want to dump them into exercise whatever you want to label as
>privilege
>
>(my definition: privilege having to do with exercising of
>power)
>
>but....
>
>you specifically (at first) selected the trifecta of:
>
>- black
>- hetero
>- male
>
>>Is that observation stereotyping?
>
>yep
>
>>If so I might be okay with
>>stereotyping sometimes.
>
>yep
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

by trying to calm them the White males of Black male size or whatever nonsense they tried to claim.

Trash ass logic

(I hated the "Straight Black Men Are the White People of Black People" but methinks I can see it at times.)

then just moved to black people, THEN males in general (I often see how black people, or even black men more specifically, engage in the same sort of behavior that I often see white people criticized for, when blackness isn't the issue (memba that black male privilege post?). )

straight, black men != black men != black people


summary: sliding goalpost

there is always gonna be ONE in the crowd that thinks whatever behavior is cool

think: Washington Redskins

to me the question always arises of HOW MANY does it take for it to not be OK (or for it to be OK)?

I don't disagree. I just think that the accusation of racial slur is not applicable here. And I don't think it's being pedantic (which I have been accused of twice in this post) because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a big deal.

>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."


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>because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a big
>deal.


What about Donald Trump makes you willing to give him the benefit of the doubt?
That out of all of the racist things he's done in his life and all of the racist words that he spews from his mouth and all of the racists that he surrounds himself with and allof the racists that state that he speaks for them and all of the racist acts that have been carried out in his name and all of the racist policies that have been advocated with his blessing
That considering all of the 40 years of docutmented and hinted racism from him
In addition to the documented racism of his father
Considering all of that, that in this SINGLE instance, in which people that are Native American have said that it's a racist term, in addition to people that hear it and call it out.
That considering all of that, that he's earned the benefit of the doubt for this?

I don't think any of that is relevant here. We're analyzing his use of the word Pocahontas. Nothing about his use of the word indicates that he is trying to disparage Native Americans as a whole IMO.

>>because I feel like the accusation of a racial slur is a
>big
>>deal.
>
>
>What about Donald Trump makes you willing to give him the
>benefit of the doubt?
>That out of all of the racist things he's done in his life and
>all of the racist words that he spews from his mouth and all
>of the racists that he surrounds himself with and allof the
>racists that state that he speaks for them and all of the
>racist acts that have been carried out in his name and all of
>the racist policies that have been advocated with his
>blessing
>That considering all of the 40 years of docutmented and hinted
>racism from him
>In addition to the documented racism of his father
>Considering all of that, that in this SINGLE instance, in
>which people that are Native American have said that it's a
>racist term, in addition to people that hear it and call it
>out.
>That considering all of that, that he's earned the benefit of
>the doubt for this?
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>his use of the word Pocahontas. Nothing about his use of the
>word indicates that he is trying to disparage Native Americans
>as a whole IMO.

I find it hilarious when white folks make those types of claims but refuse to provide evidence.

what is this "prove it" business?

straight up, is this you just being on some "f*(# whitey" steeze, or is this some kinda universal-principle thing to you

(honestly asking)

addendum: I would think the specificity of "%5" would be funny for multiple reasons

I can’t help but think this is a joke. I don’t take it seriously so when I heard he called her Pocohantus I fell the fuck out.

As a politician I think it’s one of those “come the fuck on” moments.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

Folks always want that exotic past for some reason.

and yeah, there is definitely some effe whitey in there cause why not? Just be white and KIM.

heritage versus calling someone by a slur.

One doesn't have to go with the other.


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or

bootleg-Sacagawea

(again, the rabbit hole....)

but doesn’t have any proof.

so yeah, I know she is an OG when it comes to progressive politics but this shit is a bad look.

of her claiming to have Indian heritage when she has no proof of it.

You don't have to use slurs to do that.


>or
>
>bootleg-Sacagawea
>
>(again, the rabbit hole....)
>


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No it wouldn't be okay but it would be definitely be inappropriately hilarious.

Shit is hilarious to me

Folks saying it’s a slur but I think it’s just joking a white woman for claiming to be Native American but refusing to show receipts.

When do you not get joked for claiming to be some shit you can’t prove you are?

would that be considered a racial slur?

My point in all of this is Warren can’t or is unwilling to prove she is part Native American. That’s a clownable offense.

I

prove?

to who?

that's (one of the) crazy part

the IDEA of that type of deal is at the top of the "hell to the naw" list

say she DID take a DNA test. we know full well "they" would still say its fake (birth certificate anyone?)

Let a brotha say he is related to Frederick Douglas and watch how Black folk react.

PROVE IT!!

But a white woman says she is NA and it’s “what’s the big deal?”

Nah b. She opened herself up to this so regardless of how low it is on the totem pole (see what I did) it’s going to a topic of discussion.

Warren, who graduated from the University of Houston in 1970 and got her law degree from Rutgers University in 1976, did not seek to take advantage of affirmative action policies during her education, according documents obtained by the Associated Press and The Boston Globe. On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?'' "No," she replied.

While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as "white." But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 "minority equity report" also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school.

The head of the committee that brought Warren to Harvard Law School said talk of Native American ties was not a factor in recruiting her to the prestigious institution. Reported the Boston Herald in April in its first story on Warren's ancestry claim: "Harvard Law professor Charles Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General who served under Ronald Reagan, sat on the appointing committee that recommended Warren for hire in 1995. He said he didn't recall her Native American heritage ever coming up during the hiring process.

"'It simply played no role in the appointments process. It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty,' he said."

He repeated himself this week, telling the Herald: "In spite of conclusive evidence to the contrary, the story continues to circulate that Elizabeth Warren enjoyed some kind of affirmative action leg-up in her hiring as a full professor by the Harvard Law School. The innuendo is false."

"I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned," he added.

That view was echoed by Law School Professor Laurence H. Tribe, who voted to tenure Warren and was also involved in recruiting her.

"Elizabeth Warren's heritage had absolutely no role in the decision to recruit her to Harvard Law School," he told the Crimson. "Our decision was entirely based on her extraordinary expertise and legendary teaching ability. This whole dispute is fabricated out of whole cloth and has no connection to reality."

And that's the second arena where an absence of evidence should have some weight. If there's no easily located evidence that Warren has Native American ancestry, there's also no evidence Warren used her family story to boost herself into a Harvard job.

A huge tell -- beyond the flat denials of two of the men who brought her to the school -- is that Warren's ancestry was not touted in 1995 in the Harvard Crimson as the Law School's first Native American hire, despite the ethnic studies movement's gathering force on the college's campus at the time and continued controversy over the lack of diversity at the law school (as highlighted at a protest involving Prof. Derrick Bell and law school student Barack Obama in 1991). The Crimson article on Warren was titled simply, "Woman Tenured at Law School."


http://washingtonexaminer.com/2012/05/documents-reveal-more-about-elizabeth-warrens-minority-claims/597926

She heard of her ancestry through family oral tradition, and American Indian ancestry of some kind is common in Oklahoma, where she grew up. She has never claimed majority Cherokee ancestry, or enough ancestry to qualify as a member of a registered tribe. Despite conservative claims that she exploited race-based affirmative action to be hired at Harvard Law School, the evidence is clear that Warren never gained any professional advantage from her claimed heritage.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/14/17012798/elizabeth-warren-speech-native-american-american-indian-pocahontas-trump


The Democratic Senate candidate can't back up family lore that she is part Cherokee—but neither is there any evidence that she benefited professionally from these stories.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/is-elizabeth-warren-native-american-or-what/257415/

She volunteered that info.

She was white in 95 and said she was a minority at Penn

http://deadline.com/2017/11/donald-trump-native-american-veterans-slur-pocahontas-elizabeth-warren-sarah-huckabee-sanders-press-briefing-1202215105/


Two code talkers were standing next to Trump when he dusted off his fave nickname/slur for Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who has claimed Native American ancestry.

“I just want to thank you because you’re very, very special people,” Trump began. “You were here long before any of us were here, although we have a representative in Congress who, they say, was here a long time ago. They call her ‘Pocahontas’.”

By “they,” of course, Trump meant “Donald Trump.”

WISH: she wish she was spanish
RIC: Racial Identity Crisis

Applied to those YT girls that went extra with the make up, hoop earrings, braids, baby hair gel look, cornrows, etc

They're all suburban well off mothers of 2 now I bet

The running joke in Oklahoma is everyone is part Cherokee.

At Penn she listed herself as a minority. This was after she listed herself as white while a teacher at U of Texas.

I really have a hard time being sympathetic to white folk who flip back and forth when it suits them.

She could take a test and come out 75% cherokee. Doesn't matter. Trump already branded her.

If she runs for president it will be a hindrance to her, fair or unfair

but if she proved she was with a DNA test it wouldn’t stop the jokes but CNN and other networks not named Fox would clown anyone trying to claim she was lying.

When Obama showed his papers the hard line birthers didn’t want to believe it but anyone running and seriously trying to win an election had to concede Obama was legit.

2018

he is a terrible example

Might as well say Alex Jones or Sherriff Clark

Or even fact check him for their audience?

You done fell all the way off.
You used to be the man around here.

That’s a bad Becky

Damn, I really don’t see the offense in it.

I’m Black tho and extremely insensitive to white folks feelings.

thing ever when you position is it isn't offensive because it doesn't offend me!?!?!?



"Becky" is like "cracker" not nearly as potent as the n word or k*ke or slop head or whatever slur but not because it's not a slur but rather because of the loaded history of the other terms.


>That’s a bad Becky
>
>Damn, I really don’t see the offense in it.
>
>I’m Black tho and extremely insensitive to white folks
>feelings.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and FOH with trying to play the white male privilege card cause I dont give a fuck about calling white girls Becky

N word is to Cracker

Like Becky is to Shaqwanda.

All slurs with different levels of potency based on history.

I keep referring to white male privilege to show you are doing the exact same thing you are going to be screaming about next week some white person doing.



>and FOH with trying to play the white male privilege card
>cause I dont give a fuck about calling white girls Becky


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

👌🏽

if so, then yeah

if the hypothetical adulterer's actual NAME was "becky"

then, nah

the same way Bey used it.

this post is AWESOME

I know we use it a lot but a racial slur?

Buddy said it was like Cracker.


I think thats bull and shit

means its not a racial slur?

it doesn't have the history of cracker, but its not at term of endearment.

Im being open and honest, I never thought it could be viewed as a racial slur.

It doesnt sound loaded like Cracker or honky.

I've never heard anyone suggest it was a racial slut until today. All the think pieces online and I dont ever remember a debate about Becky.

is there another meaning that I'm not aware of?

it just doesn't have the same story as cracker, but its now part of the lexicon.

its kinda like urban, which is sometimes a 'softer' way to say black folks.

>I know it’s just a distraction from more important things
>but this is politics and this type of story always
>“trumps” the real issues.


The more I thought about it the more this whole framing is bullshit, content aside.
Donald Trump never divested from his companies, never disclosed his financial obligations via taxes, and continuous to overtly and covertly profit off of the presidency.

All of which is a real issue. All of which actually entails how qualified he is for the job, how honest he is for the job, and even more troublesome who he's obligated to.

Things only "trump" real issues when seemingly smart people buy into the dredges of societies bullshit and this is one.
Donald Trump is a racist and if he's not he certainly acts upon racial animus. This slur is one of them, and people that breathless point the finger back at the victim rather than the racisf are bogus and should be mocked.

like a big black buck.

Like everyone knows what everyone is talking about, but just disagree on the terminology.
Talking about "is this a slur? what about this?" lol

Yes, all these things are slurs in the sense that they express some type of negative or stereotypical connotation, or they are used to insult.

But they are not the typical racial slurs that we (some?) usually think of. The ones that are considered bad words.

It is easy to stretch and call almost every insult a slur. I mean all of Trump's nicknames are technically slurs (little Marco, liddle, lyin' Ted, goofy Warren, rocket man, sloppy Steve, Sleepy Chuck Todd, etc.). They are all modifiers used in a derogatory manner.

This is OKP though. We all just love to argue for no reason.

Im on pain meds chillin and thought this would go wood.

Shoulda known Trump and Pocahontas would do numbers.

The first time he said it I remember half the board saying it was wrong but it was funny. I never expected folks to say Becky was a racial slur.

I love this place

Just out of the absurdity of a president using playground taunts. When it seemed spontaneous, it was a little funny.

It's not so funny now since it seems so targeted now after repeated use. It's now a weapon, not just a spontaneous quip.

and I know its the president but that dudes a clown so I dont have the energy to always be mad.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Becky&utm_source=search-action

Imjussayin'

Mad slurry to me. *shrug*

That’s crazy.

we are now into the dessert section of lost recipes

but its been so long and seems like the Becky movement didt take off until like 20 years after that dropped.

We didnt call white girls Becky's right after seeing the video.

So it kinda blew my mind that the skit is the origin of the joke even tho I remember it.

that song stays in rotation

as soon as beyonce said it my thought was: there she go talking out the house for white people (hot sauce in my bag == v2)

since mix-a-lot came out calling whitegirls becky was the lolo diss cuz they didn't get it

and white people LOVE that song

*shrug*

then it's kinda disgusting

Thanks for the entertainment! These absurd proclamations, silly arguments, going against the dictionary and that one poster's unintentional use of a new term, racial slut, has me wiping away tears I'm laughing so hard.

You all were serious in this post too. LOL.

here come the "above it all" crew (*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*)

"serious" is relative

my opinion: this is some virtual barbershop talk

glorious in its time-wasting stupidity

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BPJ66F/sean-patrick-thomas-barbershop-2002-BPJ66F.jpg

before I laugh,

WHO you calling jimmy james player?

YUP!

.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/10/15/warren-addresses-native-american-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

WASHINGTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test that provides “strong evidence’’ she had a Native American in her family tree dating back 6 to 10 generations, an unprecedented move by one of the top possible contenders for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president.

Warren, whose claims to Native American blood have been mocked by President Trump and other Republicans, provided the test results to the Globe on Sunday in an effort to defuse questions about her ancestry that have persisted for years. She planned an elaborate rollout Monday of the results as she aimed for widespread attention.

The analysis of Warren’s DNA was done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor and expert in the field who won a 2010 MacArthur fellowship, also known as a genius grant, for his work on tracking population migration via DNA analysis.

He concluded that “the vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European, but he added that “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor.”

Bustamante calculated that Warren’s pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree “in the range of 6-10 generations ago.” That timing fits Warren’s family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American.

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Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/591db4e55c959c23fe749299/master/w_690,c_limit/giphy-8.gif

We are always on the defensive AND they are the ones doing horrible shit.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Damn, democrats are bad at this. If this was her attempt to clear the launch pad for a presidential run, then she might as well save herself the time and money.

This wasn't even that tricky. I appreciate her work and her voting record on most things, but she played herself.

She getting dragged by both sides.

And what’s with the timing?

I mean I know I’m a broken record but....


Democrats are fucking idiots.

midterms is good.

Shes too intelligent to have believed this once she really thought about it (after being challenged). So she probably said "alright, lets get this over with."

by white folks on the both sides of the aisle for grandstanding in advance of a presidential run.

i cant think of a bigger example of 'hey yall look at me...im running soon' than what warren just did.

she could have used her time/platform to bring more awareness to the republican voter suppression efforts against native americans in north dakota.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/12/politics/north-dakota-voter-id-native-americans/index.html

or the fact that the family of the #2 repub in the house (running for speaker/leader) did exactly...or worse than...what repubs are claiming warren had done by claiming native american ancestry in the past.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

above everything else.

i have no idea why she decided to do this *now*.

dems should be doing nothing but talking about getting out the vote for midterms and driving down favorables of repubs/trump by highlighting the constant revelations of corruption (like trumps relationship with saudi arabia and its relevance to his reaction to the murdered journalist).

as a perceived leader of the party you should be a lot more disciplined/focused on the immediate task at hand.

Of all the ways she/Dems could make headlines.

SMH

the kanye/trump meeting happened like 4 days ago and it already feels like last year.

person.

Since we know it amounts to essentially nothing (1/1000), I'm curious what her African percentage is. If it's relatively large, that could explain the story about her one side objecting when her parents got married.

there's countless articles out there explaining the enormous grain of salt you have to apply to those supposed percentages, and also how Native American dna is among the absolute hardest ones for these tests to currently nail down, given the extremely limited and unreliable sample pool. The only thing they're really useful for at this time is finding relatives and maybe some rough clues.

So, if anyone is more into this stuff and can correct me, please do, but my understanding of the current age of dna testing is that she could indeed have much more (or less) Native ancestry than these tests show.

She never should have taken the bait tho, but now we're all taking the bait lol

https://twitter.com/CherokeeNation/status/1051965527214776321

dna/lineage vs tribal citizenship.

...MSM and the masses keep falling for shit headlines like this while everything around them crumbles

(or any tribal council really) just to try to smooth things over and get some advice on how to approach this in a way that was sensitive to native americans?

that would seem like an important base to cover.

From the timing to why she played into his hand and made this an issue to how she (and/or her peoples) didn't think about the native angle...

Nothing.


I wasn't crazy about her candidacy before this- I don't think the country is ready (fucked up, but true) and I think her reputation would be really, really hard to overcome.

But now? I mean, shiiit, you don't beat Cheeto like this. You don't actively give him ammo.

On top of it, you don't make yourself look like an out of touch coastal liberal elite trying to be down.


And again, even people on the left (rightfully) saying "yeah, this isn't how any of this works..."


I can't believe what a terrible move she made.

and still fucked up.

she has survived just fine politically with this floating around. nobody really cares about it but trump supporters (and only in a mocking way). even harvard (via the boston globe) absolved her of these 'charges' saying it played no role in her advancement. it was background noise.

as soon as anyone on her team (including her) said 'lets drop this heat right as early voting begins in many important states for the midterms'...somebody should have put a tomahawk through em.

What they thought would be the gain here?

I can’t come up with anything. Like, did they
think this would win over anyone?

Someone said “to put the issue to bed”...?

Uh, even if it came back 25% native, do people
really think it would shut up Trump and Trumpsters

Worse still, she gave the story new life and made it
look like he’s in her head.

I’m honestly questioning her judgement based on
this.

she obviously wasnt thinking about anyone but herself.

her and/or somebody on her team prolly thought they could get out in front of other 2020 contenders first and portray her as trumps top nemesis. great for fundraising and getting the dem party to galvanize behind her to take on trump.

thats all i got fam lol.

of smug well educated white people who are all book smarts and no street smarts or intuition.

like i could see some robby mook type condescending white dude on the team overruling a black/hispanic/native chicks objections about how goofy it would look to be waving a dna test around to prove some infinitesimal level of 'ethnic' heritage.

like they really thought they were gonna dunk on trump and unofficially kick off her prez campaign with this roll out lol.

"Ha! take that Trump!" type of headlines (they've somewhat shifted today). So i assumed it was gonna say something like she was 40% cherokee and 30% yaqui or some variation. When I read what the actual results were, i'm thinking it's a pretty weird thing to endzone dance over. It sounded more like something Trump would do while liberals mocked him.

Aside from entertaining this to begin with. as you said, she had the high ground on this issue already with the whole' controversy' of her using native heritage to get ahead having been long debunked... there seems to be a line of reasoning among her or her team that since Trump is so bad, nothing else would matter. Like Cherokee nation would obviously back her because, Trump.


>of smug well educated white people who are all book smarts
>and no street smarts or intuition.
>
>like i could see some robby mook type condescending white dude
>on the team overruling a black/hispanic/native chicks
>objections about how goofy it would look to be waving a dna
>test around to prove some infinitesimal level of 'ethnic'
>heritage.

could def picture it playing out that way.

>Like Cherokee nation would obviously back her
>because, Trump.

did they just not consider getting in touch with the cherokee nation to try to get on the same page?

cuz the cherokee nation sec of state was on cnn basically sounding like a black person would sound if some lily white celeb was claiming african heritage based on a dna test result.

shit is even more goofy if you supposedly had knowledge/pride in your native american heritage for decades but were never a vocal/active advocate for native causes (especially as a politician with actual power/sway).

and I largely like and respect Elizabeth Warren (not necessarily as president but in general) so i would expect better because this all reads more like a textbook Hillary Clinton move. Severely out of touch/just assume Group X thinks/votes this way. She's got Democrat disease.

this shit was so irrelevant to me before.

i thought she was a capable candidate for prez. maybe the best person to thread the progressive and establishment sides of the party (at least theoretically). but this shit makes me kinda want her to just disappear lol.

I liked Warren too but she prolly would call the cops on a nigga. Lol

I literally thought “this sounds like something
Hil would have tried in 16”

I certainly hope the party has candidates with actual
good/effective ways to fight Cheeto

I agree with Reeq, I really want her to fall back. At
least for a long while.


Democrats Disease is perfect. Shit is like an
episode of VEEP

and can’t communicate with regular folk.

https://twitter.com/Amanda_Clinton/status/1052194518374604807

apparently they have been trying to work with her for 6 years to get this right but she just decide to jump out the window herself.

https://twitter.com/Amanda_Clinton/status/1052230131203395584

he's never been a good guy but it's such a noticeable shift since he's become Trump's beta boy instead of McCain's

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-american-indian-texas-bar_us_5c5ad6f8e4b00187b556e54a

**bangs head on desk**

I suppose this isn't surprising, but this isn't going away.

They don't want this to be a messy bloodbath that might harm the overall Dem turnout in 11/20.

If I had my pick of any of the current crop to be President, it would probably be Warren. I like her ideas the best, etc.


I even thought she did a somewhat decent job (more recently, not at first...that DNA test was political malpractice) changing the convo to the wealth tax.

Whoever the opposition is, they will keep digging this stuff up.

like even did a mea culpa in 2017 when she thought she might possibly run for president.

2 years of nonstop 24/7 news binging/purging in between...shit would have been largely diffused by now.

she doesn't recall all the little forms she filled out with this kind of stuff. Maybe she convinced herself she never did this, or this much, or for this long - that she's in denial about it all.

*EDIT*

OR..she remembers it all, and couldn't bring herself to admit to trying to win extra points in this way for so long. Maybe it's better to play it off like you forgot what you had been doing for so many years than to admit you absolutely knew the whole time. And just hope that your political enemies don't manage to dig very much of it up.

was that there was a central repository for opposition research of democratic candidates on the dnc servers. when it was hacked...that negative info was used against dem candidates all across the country by repub groups like paul ryans super pac.

i wonder if that scared dems away from doing oppo research on their own candidates after that. cuz this is the type of shit that should have come up and been dealt with.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

People will spin this as if she was going around looking for affirmative action. But from what I understand in both these cases the identity is just for institutional bookkeeping and wasn't even filled out until after the fact (that is, after she was hired by Harvard, and after she was admitted to the Bar).

It sounds like both of these cases were just her playing out some family legend that she liked. A lot of people *think* they have native ancestry, and a lot of people exaggerate what little they have. I smh that someone as smart as her would go so far as to flatly call herself "American Indian," though. That's approaching Dolezal level.

Obviously she wasn't planning to enter politics. As much as I like the idea of an academic in the Presidency, I didn't see how she would overcome this when it was just the one case. By now I think it's time for her to figure out who else to endorse, and start angling for Treasury Sec, Fed Chair, CFPB chair, or something like that.

>People will spin this as if she was going around looking for
>affirmative action. But from what I understand in both these
>cases the identity is just for institutional bookkeeping and
>wasn't even filled out until after the fact (that is, after
>she was hired by Harvard, and after she was admitted to the
>Bar).
>
>It sounds like both of these cases were just her playing out
>some family legend that she liked. A lot of people *think*
>they have native ancestry, and a lot of people exaggerate what
>little they have. I smh that someone as smart as her would go
>so far as to flatly call herself "American Indian," though.
>That's approaching Dolezal level.

Yeah, it really does seem like some family pride legend shit that, apparently, got out of hand.

And, yes, she looks fairly stupid on this.

>
>Obviously she wasn't planning to enter politics. As much as I
>like the idea of an academic in the Presidency, I didn't see
>how she would overcome this when it was just the one case. By
>now I think it's time for her to figure out who else to
>endorse, and start angling for Treasury Sec, Fed Chair, CFPB
>chair, or something like that.
>

Yep. I was even starting to convince myself recently that maybe she could get past it, at least to make it relatively far in the primary...but...lol.

I agree she should figure out who to endorse, and I am pretty interested to see who that would be actually.

Think of everything that Trump said/did en route to the Presidency - and none of it thwarted his ascent.

This is really not that big of a deal. Is it unsightly and unfortunate? Yes - but should it disqualify her? Absolutely not.

If this is the worst thing people can unearth about Warren - then she's essentially flawless.

-->

>Think of everything that Trump said/did en route to the
>Presidency - and none of it thwarted his ascent.
>
>This is really not that big of a deal. Is it unsightly and
>unfortunate? Yes - but should it disqualify her? Absolutely
>not.
>
>If this is the worst thing people can unearth about Warren -
>then she's essentially flawless.
>
>-->

Is it horse shit? Yes.

Is it fair? No.

Is it worth the risk in 2020? Absolutely not.


Trump has to lose. I’m not gambling that Amerikkka
will think about this as reasonably as you just
put it.

I should also add I don’t trust her/her teams political
instinct on this issue.

Releasing the test on some “see!” was slap your
forehead stupid. Played right into his hand, rather
than clapping back on important issues.

>Releasing the test on some “see!” was slap your
>forehead stupid. Played right into his hand, rather
>than clapping back on important issues.

It was really bad - but I just think that every candidate is going to have something dug up from the closet. If this is the worst thing that she has from her past? I don't think it should be viewed at as such a cardinal sin.


-->

?

Even if you don't think the actual issue is a big deal, the way that she has handled this does not bode well for someone that wants to lead the country

On the issue itself, Harvard was actively advertising her as a MINORITY hire

i.e. that position could have gone to an actual minority

Tell POC it's not that big of a deal...

...and now we learn she was presenting herself as native american since 1984...

Why lie?

I'm agreeing w/ it being a bad look - but I'd like to see us defend our progressive champions with bit more fervor. I personally wouldn't want to dismiss her decades of important work for this one blunder (which is an unsightly one).

Also - my understanding is that her family raised her w/ the understanding that she was part Native American (without knowing how much of it was in her ancestry). If that's the case, I don't want to crucify her for claiming that when it was part of her family's oral history (even though it later turned out to be largely inaccurate).

But yes - it is a bad look - but in the grand scheme of things when our political opponents are playing hardball and ruthless in their propping up of all these bad actors and horrible human beings, I don't think it serves us to be so outraged against our progressive champions for something like this.


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https://www.democracynow.org/2018/10/18/sen_warrens_claim_to_native_heritage

Her ethnicity...changes...?

Do you think her claim of native american is valid...based on a story her mother told her?

Mayne, if I started telling people and officially identifying as Asian, because my Momma told me a story...GTFOH.

but I still don't think it should be so disqualifying. I'm much more concerned with a candidate that is compromised by corporate/veiled interests than I am of Warren - someone who has been fighting for people for decades and made one (stupid) blunder.

-->

you open yourself for death by a papercut.

you open yourself for death by a papercut.

We really do get the politicians we deserve.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i think shes handled it poorly but.....who cares??

this coverage is about to turn me into a full on warren supporter out of spite, forget the irk lol

“But her emails”?

Clinton lost. For a variety of reasons. Had the Dems ran
an actual primary, maybe we get a stronger candidate.

Had we been able to openly debate her faults and compare
her to a realistic alternative, maybe Trump isn’t POS.

“Let’s not think/talk about what could cause a Dem candidate
to lose an election” isn’t a winning strategy.

Do we want to win, or die on a high ground of morals
and/or loyalty??

Bottom line is this most likely hurts her in the general.

And it gives Trump a go to deflection.

I’d like to win, not take risks cuz politics is fucked up.



We really do get the politicians we deserve.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Not trying to run around defending another white women who will surely lose because they aren’t built for this.

controversy. EW never attempted to trade off being a Native American or seek some advantage because of it. Knowing that half the light skin Ninjas with good hair I grew up were running around talking about they were part Indian, I have no problem believing that EW grew up thinking she was part Indian because her people told her so.

There were a GAZILLION stories about HRC emails during the whole time that Trump was lying about Russia. Why because the Media was complicit in pushing that bullshit narrative and we all lapped that shit up by focusing on the way a politician fumbled handling a bullshit scandal.



>“But her emails”?
>
>Clinton lost. For a variety of reasons. Had the Dems ran
>an actual primary, maybe we get a stronger candidate.
>
>Had we been able to openly debate her faults and compare
>her to a realistic alternative, maybe Trump isn’t POS.
>
>“Let’s not think/talk about what could cause a Dem
>candidate
>to lose an election” isn’t a winning strategy.
>
>Do we want to win, or die on a high ground of morals
>and/or loyalty??
>
>Bottom line is this most likely hurts her in the general.
>
>And it gives Trump a go to deflection.
>
>I’d like to win, not take risks cuz politics is fucked up.
>
>
>
>We really do get the politicians we deserve.
>>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

It’s a ridiculous story and one she should’ve been ready to handle once she entered politics and thought about being President.

She should already be on TV squashing this story by attacking Trump.

Get out there and spin this like a good politician

And I like Warren, but the fact that she/her team aren’t
ready with some Pelosi-like clap backs is very concerning

Before you can be a great president, you have to be a
great candidate.

should had before but its so dumb

i mean this post started off complaining that she didnt want to do the DNA test. then she does the test and she got 10x the blowback.

this wont affect who i vote for in the primary but there is definitely a similarity to the emails.

It should’ve never got this far

It's a completely unimportant thing so it's hard to wrap my head around how someone so bright would do something as boneheaded as that DNA test release and treating it like she dunked on Trump

the more you deny or deflect...the longer it lives and writes itself into new episodes.

just admit it. kill the story in its tracks. people/media get bored and move on to the next fascination.

bonus points for getting out in front of it before the media defines you by it.

your opponent might try to bring it up later on...but theres very little appetite for dead news among the public.

people dont really give a shit about half this stuff anyway. until you start hemming and hawing and looking like an idiot.

that *could* have messed him up. Coke, no less. But that was baked into his equation from before he ran, so it was a complete non-issue.

cuz it was in contrast to bill clinton claiming he smoked weed and never inhaled.

repubs, the clinton campaign, and the media said it would jeopardize his run for president.
even bob johnson (bet founder)...who was a clinton supporter...tried to passive-aggressively make it an issue.

in the end...nobody gave a fuck.

if it had looked like something he was tryna hide tho...shit would have haunted him throughout his entire campaign.

I really appreciate her policy knowledge but this is some self-hating mess
just be white, geez

didn't she win the Mass election because her opponent made fun of this before 45 did...
had to know it was coming

every other Black american was told we had "Indian" in the family
but still checked the "appropriate" box

>
>every other Black american was told we had "Indian" in the
>family
>but still checked the "appropriate" box

Absolutely... lol

in colonial or frontier US history. Which includes all Bee-lacks and alot of southern whites. By that standard, we'd all have the right to mark ourselves as NA on run of the mill administrative registration forms.

you already knew she claimed the heritage, so

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Should put the issue into perspective

If she truly believes her family story
Truly believes the DNA test validates her claim
and she's been self identifying as native american since 1984


Why isn't she running as the first Native American candidate?

cuz you fell off that motherfucker and hit every rock


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCFdOOUDtM