is being negotiated" mean to you?

I do not think it means what you think it means.




>>More importantly, you should be challenging your student's
>>notion of masculinity than co-signing them or using them as
>a
>>source of authority on what is masculine and notions of
>>manhood.
>
>
>man you don't know what the conversation was. every class
>starts with an image, a graph, an excerpt etc and they speak -
>i don't.


I still don't what the conversation was. Nothing in your reference to your class is that clear here, and yet you use it as an example to make your argument. So let's agree there is no persuasive value in you bringing it up.


But let's get back to my original question you didn't answer. What about that picture is feminine to you?


>
>
>>I am a man, raised by a strong father, trying to raise two
>>boys into strong men. Nothing about this strikes me as
>>feminine. I trust my notions of manhood more than your
>>students.
>
>well myself and MANY others disagree with you... right in this
>post. you came in gun blazing about how you loved the pics.
>you can't say anything else at this point.


Other people disliked the work but what many other people agreed with you in this post regarding the feminization issue? You seemed pretty alone on that one.


Also I didn't say I loved the pics in the first post. I said I am big fan of the artist. At any rate. And? So I don't get an opinion because I like the artist but you dislike the artist but you get an opinion? How does that work in your mind?




>
>>Random Side Question: Do you think Cam'ron is feminized when
>>he wears Pink gear?
>
>Camron WAS feminized with the pink gear and the big diamond
>earrings. Who do you think styled him? lol.


>
>>No this proves my point. without knowing the sexuality of
>his
>>subjects, how do you assume that he is feminizing his
>>subjects? He has plenty of paintings in which the male
>>subjects don't assume any sort of what you are stereotyping
>as
>>feminine poses. So why assume the ones who do have feminine
>>poses were feminized by Wiley (as oppose to be naturally
>>feminine subjects?)
>
>In the quote Wiley says "there's a sense in which male beauty
>is being negotiated"


Man you cited this quote like 10 times. What do you think it means?


>
>which is exactly my sentiment translated.


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