>More importantly, you should be challenging your student's
>notion of masculinity than co-signing them or using them as a
>source of authority on what is masculine and notions of
>manhood.


man you don't know what the conversation was. every class starts with an image, a graph, an excerpt etc and they speak - i don't


>I am a man, raised by a strong father, trying to raise two
>boys into strong men. Nothing about this strikes me as
>feminine. I trust my notions of manhood more than your
>students.

well myself and MANY others disagree with you... right in this post. you came in gun blazing about how you loved the pics. you can't say anything else at this point.

>Random Side Question: Do you think Cam'ron is feminized when
>he wears Pink gear?

Camron WAS feminized with the pink gear and the big diamond earrings. Who do you think styled him? lol.


>No this proves my point. without knowing the sexuality of his
>subjects, how do you assume that he is feminizing his
>subjects? He has plenty of paintings in which the male
>subjects don't assume any sort of what you are stereotyping as
>feminine poses. So why assume the ones who do have feminine
>poses were feminized by Wiley (as oppose to be naturally
>feminine subjects?)

In the quote Wiley says "there's a sense in which male beauty is being negotiated"

which is exactly my sentiment translated.