>>Get Out was Written and Directed By Black Person and is
>>arguably biggest movie of the year.
>
>
>And it was an anomaly. Let's not act like
>that wasn't rare and unexpected. This is
>like saying Black people are doing great in
>Hollywood b/c Will Smith.


Spike Lee was an anomaly then. You asked where is the Spike Lee of today and I pointed out who arguably is it.

The fact remains more black movies are being made now then in the 80s. Full Stop. You began by trying to argue otherwise ("We also had more Black movies by Black producers and all Black casts with larger push in the 80s.")
>
>
>>You got a blind spot for black women. What about Ava, Issa,
>>Dee Rees. Then there is Jordan Peele and Ryan Coogler.
>>
>
>
>Ava and Issa are why I gave some specifics. Aside from
>13th, you see some recurring tropes in their work, some
>of which I mentioned above. Might as well throw Shonda
>Rimes and Scandal in there too. Or Being Mary Jane
>perhaps.
>We had a big convo about Issa that I won't rehash here.
>Peele has done one really successful movie. Coogler's
>got some good work with Creed, but it's really Stallone's
>movie. Fruitvale Station was cool, but it was in select
>theaters if I remember correctly, and Black Panther gives
>him 0 creative control... that's a Marvel movie as we all
>know. I'm not seeing what's groundbreaking about him
>being brought in solely to say "we got a black person."
>Panther is part of the Infinity War story arc.


It's easier to just say I prefer 80s black movies than to try and discount all the black films & TV shows that are being made today because they don't align with your politics. I mean you used Coming To America as your example when that was a movie made by white filmmakers but chauvinistically dismiss the works of Issa and Ava? SMH.


>
>
>
>
>>There are absolutely more black films and TV then there was
>in
>>the 80s.
>
>
>Well yeah, there's more of everything, b/c it's easier
>to make something independently, and there are way more
>avenues to view content.

Way to concede my main point without saying you are right I was wrong. Again, you started this convo by saying "We also had more Black movies by Black producers and all Black casts with larger push in the 80s..." which right here you are admitting is not true.

This argument started with you arguing that the 80s were different and I like to hear an argument how (now that we established that it wasn't because there was more content).

The marketing push, what's
>featured, etc is still very much controlled tho.

Of course.

Keep
>in mind the base of this convo is pop stardom, not
>just stuff being out there... somewhere... in space...
>or wherever.


OK but recognize you are shifting your argument from not as much black content is made today to not as much black content is pushed into the mainstream.

That may be true but how much do we give a shit that black content is not being pushed on White Audiences? That always felt like looking for white approval to me.



>
>
>>I did my thesis on Black Film and Spike Lee in 1999.
>> There are way more opportunities for black filmmakers now
>>then there were then.
>
>
>
>I'm not understanding how those sentences connect,

The first sentence is to show this is a topic I've been following and covering for some time which gives me some authority to make the next statement.

but
>again, that's just b/c there are more avenues for
>everything. "Opportunities" is an interesting word
>here tho. So is Hidden Colors on Netflix? Is it
>mentioned at ANY Black award shows despite being the
>biggest selling Black documentary ever? Why do you
>think that is?

I don't know. It might be because of the shitty production value. It might be because the filmmaker doesn't want it on netflix. It might not get awards because they didn't submit it for awards.
I'm sure you got a theory as to why. Happy to hear.


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>
>
>> You romanticising the 80s.
>
>
>If you say so. Many of the movies we love in the
>80s and 90s go straight to DVD if they're made now.
>Not because we wouldn't see them, but b/c gatekeepers
>ain't allowing intelligent heterosexual Black males
>to be depicted caring about each other and loving
>Black women long-term, etc.


Straight to DVD? They still making DVDs?

>
>>Well know you talking colorism. That's a different issue.
>If
>>you are arguing you got to be certain types of light skin to
>>be a crossover success I would have less to disagree with
>you
>>about.
>
>
>Are you not also arguing this?
>If I recall correctly, you think there's no
>difference in Black and black. In that case,
>Bruno is as black as you are.

I think you are mixing up colorism and ethnicity/nationality.

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