I feel for the parents out there man. This is a sick country.

That shit looks even bleaker.

so far



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How in the hell has 11 other school shootings have went down without hardly any mass media, usually we hear about it heavily when something like this goes down (like today), but it's just scary when you think kids still have 3 & 1/2 more months of school to attend, is this really the sick state of affairs we are in?

I hope this is the last of school shootings but...well you know. :(

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1 month in.

taking place?

Just to wrap my head around what the fuck is driving these occurrences?

https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-sandy-hook

The pockets around Des Moines and in Nebraska are just two examples of clustered occurrences surrounded by untouched landscape

Obviously there could be a factor we are blind to that causes clustering

but it’s still high as shit. It’s America so more than likely this will continue to rise.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/school-shootings-2018_us_5a68586de4b002283007ef83

as we usually think of them (someone entering a school and gunning people down).
More like gun shots that just happened to take place at or around a school.
Calling them "school shootings" just sensationalizes it, imo. That's why I was so shocked at the number 11

All of them are terrible events that shouldn't happen. But to lump them all together is just a way to create article headlines

Random drive-by shooting?: Someone driving by the school fired on a group of students in the parking lot. Only one boy was injured.

Murder at a sorority party: Following an argument, a 21-year-old Winston-Salem University student was shot and killed during a sorority event at Wake Forest University.

Gun fight in college parking lot: Two people in a car exchanged gunfire with a person in a dormitory parking lot. No one was injured, but a bullet was fired into a dorm room with three female students inside.

Suicide: A 14-year-old died in a school bathroom from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.


Stupid mistake: A student confused a training weapon with a real one and fired a bullet through a classroom wall. No students were injured.

BB Gun: A 32-year-old man fired a pellet gun at a school bus, shattering one of the windows. No students were injured.

Suicide: A man standing in the school’s parking lot called 911 saying he was suicidal. He spoke with a county official for several hours on the phone, according to local media, but ultimately shot himself and died from a single gunshot wound.

Drive by shots: Two shots were fired at the school from outside the building. No students were injured.

and it starts with sensationalized headlines.

this is what certain posters mean when they say a lotta this shit is just a distraction.

people are dumb sometimes and easily swayed.

in a system where only THOSE kinda people's voices count, you end up with #45 for Cmdr in Chief

Nothing was passed after Las Vegas
Nothing was passed after Sandy Hook
Nothing has been passed to deal with climate change
Nothing has been passed to deal with AI
Nothing has been passed to deal with self driving cars
Nothing has been passed to deal with Furgeson/Baltimore/New Orleans/NYC police abuse
Nothing was passed after the BLM standoff
Nothing was passed after the Oregon standoff
Nothing was passed after the Keystone pipeline standoff
Nothing was passed to deal with foreign interference in elections
Nothing has been passed to deal with the rise in white domestic terrorism
Nothing has been passed to deal with the option crisis
The program that was providing an alternative to white domestic radicalism was left to be non funded
The legislation to protect against the housing and credit crisis was weakened
Title IX is being dismantled
Citizens United dismantled the election system




What fears are being indulged via legislation?

But the things that actually threaten the mortality and safety of the population at large?

The fear that some people have about men going into women's bathrooms or islamic terrorist and violent Mexicans infiltrating the country is as real and threatening to them as police violence, climate change, white domestic terrorism is to you.

The things that you claim to be actual threats to mortality and safety, they dismiss as paranoia.

they are just easily swayed by TV and evangelist.

They also think they are the types who can save the day with their guns.

It’s so irrational it’s scary. My coworker was scared her adult daughter who was hooked on heroin and skipping school while also totaling her car could be attacked by a man in a dress. All because it was on the news. Never mind that for 18 years of her life she never had that fear.

I hate those people

because 6 didn't make for a good enough headline (even though it should).

i don't find it helpful because it turns the conversation to things like how ridiculous it is to include a kid shooting a bb gun at a bus, and the overall honesty of the headline, and away from shit like what just happened in kentucky.

where shootings happened at school because of beef

the seattle one, the Wiley College, the Wake Forest, the NET hs

i don't know if they should be classified the same as this new type of incident

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I remember after Columbine we started having these "lockdown" drills where the teacher would pull the shades down and put a cover over the window in the door. Then everyone would go and huddle in the corner of the room.

Thinking back on it now I realize how fucked up that is for kids in a school to have to do. Stop learning everyone, time to practice for when someone tries to come and kill us all. Okay, back to the lesson.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/kentucky-school-shooting.html

It was a drive-by from an SUV down the street from the school apparently aimed at students, not a dude running up in the cafeteria randomly spraying shots.

A bit misleading.

Incident happened off the school's premises. Shooting was not done by a student. No one got shot.

I think if students are being shot at relatively close to the school than yes, it’s a school shooting even if no one was hit.

Hours.
Do we similarly not count the adult man in New Mexico who pretended to be a student, for access to campus, but wasn't able to kill people?

Since we're discussing the apparent grey area of students during school hours being targeted with guns at minimum 10 times since 2018 began.

If we're counting every incident that's near a school or involves a school student on the way to, at, or coming from a school.

Again, it's misleading. At least they can define what they mean by "school shooting" before they start listing hard numbers.

Bad, but not quite as bad as 10 or 11

what are you talking about

1 is as bad as 20

If I lose one pinky toe, that is bad. If I lose all 20 of my fingers and toes, that is a worse type of bad.

Losing 1 dollar is not as bad as losing $20.

Losing 1 family member is not as bad as losing 20 family members

I don't know how many more examples I need to get the point across that more of a bad thing is worse than less of a bad thing.

>what are you talking about
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>1 is as bad as 20

you don't have to lose a dollar

RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTIANS, WHITE MEN AND CONSERVATIVES!

http://6abc.com/phila-school-on-lockdown-after-reports-of-students-with-guns/2983808/

http://www.wbaltv.com/article/man-seen-holding-air-pistol-in-perry-hall-fight-released-from-jail/15843754


and that's the county

1. you fuck around and get shot holding one of them.

2. people get robbed all the time by people with them fake guns.

3. why don't the manufacturers make them bright green like a super soaker so that it's understood it aint real?

4. do air pistols have a legit purpose? or were they designed for fakery/fuckery?

>1. you fuck around and get shot holding one of them.
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Yep...


>2. people get robbed all the time by people with them fake
>guns.
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Yep...

>3. why don't the manufacturers make them bright green like a
>super soaker so that it's understood it aint real?
>

I've definitely seen them with the bright orange on the tip of the barrell

>4. do air pistols have a legit purpose? or were they designed
>for fakery/fuckery?
>

prolly for target practice, and/or kids to learn how to shoot/aim...
i have a bunch of stories about the goofy shit i done seen w/em...hell my homeboy's older brother used to terrorize us by hittin us up w/ bb's all the time

horrific

https://apnews.com/8307e0dc42b747e0944afad411971ffe?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

BREAKING: Authorities say they're responding to a shooting at a Florida high school; number of wounded unknown.

https://twitter.com/ap/status/963864758112980992

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/us/florida-high-school-shooting/index.html

Wash, rinse, repeat.

See ya next time. I’m sure it won’t be long. Nothing changes.

tired of this

Allow the CDC to then fully research the issue
Fund the solutions.

Your thoughts and prayers at this time should be plenty.

thoughts and prayers while mfers are getting dough from the NRA to make it easier for lunatics to buy AR-15s...

naw..

no better time than now to talk shit about this

let me see if i can find a way to contact him

One of the consistent themes are young white people with access to weapons and training. It looks quite bad targeting the anglo saxon community but this needs to happen.

I mean if this president can blow their budget in less than a year, I'm pretty sure they're too taxed to handle a national epidemic. Treat this like a flu.

>I mean if this president can blow their budget in less than a
>year, I'm pretty sure they're too taxed to handle a national
>epidemic. Treat this like a flu.

https://www2.ed.gov/admins/lead/safety/preventingattacksreport.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre#Secret_Service_report_on_school_shootings

if they *only* took domestic violence more seriously it would basically end mass shootings.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

strict limits on ammunition purchases

regular at-home checks, at the gun owner's expense.

there's no reason why people should have fucking arsenals

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I'm no gun expert but it seems like anyone with 2 guns and bad intentions can kill a lot of folks at a school or concert.

And a number of other logistical things, limiting the capabilities of guns is a good step to minimize the potential breadth of targeted killings.

people seem weirdly obsessed with making it seem like you could use any gun.

yes, you could do damage with a shotgun or a pistol too, or a different style of rifle with a modification, or a pistol in a special frame, etc. -- none of em are as good for this.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

but i agree with the overall sentiment that crazies gonna crazies and handguns aren't all that difficult to modify

black markets be white as fuck too

i'm for gun control but im not terribly convinced it has a huge impact...shit..the lives it saves in incidents might be offset by higher frequency of angry gun lovers

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

250+ years of this.

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and there is video.

Valentine's Day Massacre
Not sure if Amerikkka can shed the blood on its hands.

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

was targeting women and children.

Andrew Jackson yes the former president was notorious for this tactic and then claimed it as a military victory.

an NRA bought and paid for politicians...literally doing all he can to make it as easy as possible for even crazy people to buy AR-15 type weapons in Florida....

and he's literally talking jibberish tonight

so common place.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I unfortunately plan on just continuously updating this one.

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two of them feel the answer is to place 3 armed vets at all schools.

i feel that is something that is being spread around in whatever their "okp" is.

i've seen this argument a lot in comments, arm the teachers blah blah. i definitely don't feel that's the answer. it seems like we only have extremes being offered. take away all guns or arm everyone.

would looking at each case that has happened determining what would had prevented it with the 20/20 vision be of any use?

Additionally is militarizing a school conducive to learning? Because that's what school is there for.
If we're just going to move straight to indoctrination we might as well move to a boarding school model on military bases. Let's at least pretend school is for learning.

With hundreds of loud and continuously moving parts where a majority of that parts are driven by hormones and developing brains.
My highschool had around 3000 students. I as an adult wouldn't want to be anywhere near that on one day, let alone as a job.

Instead of less guns, lets just fill up schools with people that have more guns. That will fix it. We're talking about a fucking school. Do these people even hear themselves?

im tempted to just leave the chat but if we just run away from people that think differently how will we be able to work together.

not up for an argument so i just let them say their piece. i know one of them is a full blown trump supporter.

a lot of shootings have been done by vets.

we just gonna let them go head up against each other? lol.

over the last 20 yrs.

but 18 school shootings in the united states this year alone (and we are still in february).

https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/963908153325772800

when shit pops off. Chances are they'll go into survival mode and choke like most people.

School board isnt about to magically find more money to pay three vets at every school in their district in America. We barely get paid enough to teach as it is.

Talking about the AR15 isn't an assault weapon and farmers use it to protect their livestock.

Reasonable people: Maybe we should do something about these guns people keep using to shoot our kids
Republicans: BUT HOW WILL WE PROTECT OUR LIVESTOCK

Fucking coward pussies, all of them.

suspect in Florida school shooting was member of his organization.


But immigrants.

Link https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz

wonder what those people think now, doesn't matter enough to check

i think his race is the least of concern. an affiliation with a group like this though is important.

https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/964187511017869316

Of course, there will still be a number of knuckle-dragging shit heads who will believe that forever.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-gun-laws-trnd/index.html

(CNN)The shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, which killed 17 people, has put the focus on Florida's gun laws. For instance, the state doesn't require a permit or a license for someone to own a gun.

Here are some facts about the gun laws in the Sunshine State, from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action:

*The right to bear arms is found in the first article of Florida's constitution: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed..."

*You don't need a permit or license to buy a gun, nor do you have to register a firearm.

*You don't need a permit to conceal carry a rifle or shotgun, although you do need it to conceal carry a handgun.

*The state Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services must issue a concealed weapons license to an applicant as long as the person meets a certain set of requirements, including being a US citizen, being the age of 21 or older, not having a felony conviction and demonstrates competence with a firearm.

*You can buy as many guns as you want at one time, because Florida doesn't regulate that either.

*Gun sellers don't have to get a state license to sell firearms.
The state does require a three-day waiting period before you can buy a gun.

*And Florida does not regulate assault weapons, .50-caliber rifles and large capacity ammunition magazines.

The Giffords Law Center, a gun-control advocacy group that tracks firearms legislation, gave Florida an "F" grade for its gun laws in 2016. The law center says Florida has 12 gun deaths per 100,000, the 25th-highest rate in the nation.

Florida also has the "stand your ground" law, which the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action describes as a person having no "duty to retreat" if they're attacked in a place where they have a legal right to be.

"Instead, you may stand your ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if you reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to yourself or others," the institute says.

Lots of this country is plain insane.

which is an ongoing thing with them right now. they're gonna legit use these murdered kids to help them try to discredit the Mueller investigation

Makes me wonder if at some MK Ultra shit.

The timing seems suspect

these muthafuckas forever be on some 'teamwork make the dream work' shit. they never miss a beat.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/965075589274177536


Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!



Unbelievable.

This is Anthony Borges, 15. He used his body to hold a classroom door shut, protecting 20 other students inside as the gunman fired through the door, hitting him five times. Let's pray for his speedy recovery.

https://twitter.com/usblm/status/965383092734177280

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2018/02/jackson_local_schools_on_lockd.html..

page not found

didn't notice that.

These some awful people.

https://twitter.com/ImChrisCasey/status/966098418983677952


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/374774-florida-lawmakers-aide-fired-after-claiming-shooting-survivors-actors

https://thinkprogress.org/the-new-smear-campaign-against-students-who-survived-the-parkland-massacre-b71c1e1d722c/

then you see this shit.

apparently president cheeto 'liked' a couple of their posts

>then you see this shit.
>
>apparently president cheeto 'liked' a couple of their posts

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/02/590239044/central-michigan-university-on-lockdown-after-shooting-at-dorm-kills-2

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-alabama-school-shooting-20180307-story.html

http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017


SEASIDE, Calif. —
A teacher who also serves as a reserve police officer accidentally fired a gun inside a Seaside High School classroom Tuesday, police said, and three students were injured.

Dennis Alexander was teaching a course about gun safety for his Administration of Justice class when his gun went off at 1:20 p.m.


Alexander was pointing his gun at the ceiling when it fired. Pieces of the ceiling fell to the ground.

A news release from the Seaside Police Department said no one suffered "serious injuries." One 17-year-old boy suffered moderate injuries when fragments from the bullet ricocheted off the ceiling and lodged into his neck, the student's father, Fermin Gonzales, told KSBW.

The teacher had just told the class that he wanted to make sure his gun wasn't loaded, when the gun fired, according to Gonzales.

"It's the craziest thing. It could have been very bad," Gonzales said.

The teacher was about to use the gun for a demonstration about how to disarm someone, according to Gonzales.


Bullet fragments removed from student’s neck
Everyone in the classroom was stunned, and the teacher, who is a reserve officer for the Sand City Police Department, apologized.

But no one at the school checked to make sure that all of the students were uninjured, Gonzales said. The school day resumed as normal, and Seaside Police Department officers launched an investigation.

The 17-year-old boy's parents were shocked when he returned home with blood on his shirt and bullet fragments in his neck. The student's parents rushed him to a hospital for X-rays.

"He's shaken up, but he's going to be OK," Gonzales told KSBW. "I'm just pretty upset that no one told us anything and we had to call the police ourselves to report it."

Alexander was placed on administrative leave from his teaching position at Seaside High School, and he was also placed on administrative leave at the Sand City Police Department.


Seaside High School
Sand City Police Chief Brian Ferrante told KSBW, "I have concerns about why he was displaying a loaded firearm in a classroom. We will be looking into that."

Ferrante said Alexander has been a reserve Sand City police officer for the past 11 years, and described his track record as "positive and professional." The 2013 Reserve Officer of the Year is also a Seaside City Council member and Red Cross volunteer. KSBW interviewed Alexander in 2015 while he was volunteering for the Red Cross to help victims of the Tassajara Fire.

Teachers are not legally allowed to have firearms in California classrooms, even if they have a concealed carry permit.

Whether to arm teachers with guns on campus to make American schools safer has been a fiery question politically over the past few weeks, following a mass shooting at a Florida high school.

Thousands of students are planning to walk out of their classrooms Wednesday to raise awareness about gun violence and school safety.

One KSBW Facebook fan remarked about the Seaside incident, "This is clear example why teachers shouldn't have a gun. Accidents happen, even to people with experience."

Another Facebook fan quipped, "Oh great.. .Ya let’s give ALL the teachers guns. What could possibly go wrong?"

Students who take Alexander's Administration of Justice class are interested in public safety and becoming a police officer.

"I think a lot of questions on parents' minds are, why a teacher would be pointing a loaded firearm at the ceiling in front of students," Monterey Peninsula Unified School District Superintendent PK Diffenbaugh said. "Clearly in this incident protocols were not followed."

The Superintendent's Office sent a letter to parents reading: "We want to make you aware of an accident that occurred in the Administration of Justice class today at Seaside High School. As some of you may know, the teacher is a reserve police officer. Today, during class, the teacher accidentally discharged his firearm during a lesson while it was pointed at the ceiling. Debris from the ceiling then fell. Upon learning of the incident, our Human Resources department, school site administration and the Seaside Police Department immediately began investigating the incident, including interviewing students in the class. We will also have counseling services available for students. Due to the nature of this personnel incident, we are unable to share any other details. The teacher has been placed on administrative leave for the duration of the on-going investigation. The safety of your student is always our top priority, and we will continue to remain vigilant in our efforts to keep them safe while they are under our care."

A gun safety demonstration in a school gone wrong?

I feel like they are just trolling him at this point lol

I must have missed this one.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/School-Resource-Officer-Accidentally-Fires-Weapon-Inside-School-476676103.html

A school resource officer accidentally fired his gun inside a middle school in Alexandria, Virginia, during school hours on Tuesday, police say. No one was hurt.

The officer was inside his office at George Washington Middle School in the Del Ray neighborhood when he accidentally discharged his service weapon about 9:10 a.m., according to Alexandria police.

The shot was fired as the officer, a five-year veteran of the Alexandria Police Department, was sitting down in his office, police said. A department representative declined to say whether the officer had taken his gun out of his holster.

"I just think it was an accident that happened, and we're going to investigate it and find out, and we're going to move forward," Capt. D.C. Hayes said.


The officer checked the area for any potential injuries and found that everyone in the 1,500-student school was OK.

He notified his supervisor and school staff, and classes continued as normal, police said.

It wasn't immediately clear if any students or teachers were nearby.


The incident occured amid a highly charged national conversation about arming teachers.

The head of the school system said she doesn't think arming teachers is appropriate.

"We had this happen with someone who's a highly trained officer. I think that speaks for itself," interim superintendent Lois Berlin said.

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Several parents who spoke with News4 agreed.

"I'm happy he wasn't injured and nobody else was injured, but I think it's a great reason to say we don't need more guns in schools," one parent said.

"We're talking about arming teachers, and even the security personnel that are trained can't seem to make it work," another parent said.

MTV Cuts Programming During National School Walkouts
Also on Tuesday, a teacher who serves as a reserve police officer accidentally fired a gun in a California classroom as he taught a class about gun safety. A 17-year-old boy was injured by bullet fragments, his father said.

Police are updating the incident in Virginia. The officer has been placed on routine administrative leave.

I completed a license-to-carry course in TX about two years ago. Guns were not even present during the classroom portion - and this was a course that was requisite for ACTUALLY CARRYING A GUN.

There was/is no reason for a gun to be handled/discharged in a classroom, ever.

It just seems like a growing trend due to our access to information (24 hr coverage, cell phone videos, etc.)

So wanting to turn schools into fortresses now (when there was no interest in the past) is misguided.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/593831564/the-disconnect-between-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

Despite Heightened Fear Of School Shootings, It's Not A Growing Epidemic

The Parkland shooting last month has energized student activists, who are angry and frustrated over gun violence. But it's also contributed to the impression that school shootings are a growing epidemic in America.

In truth, they're not.

"Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools.

"There were more back in the '90s than in recent years," says Fox. "For example, in one school year — 1997-98 — there were four multiple-victim shootings in schools."

Second, the overall number of gunshot victims at schools is also down. According to Fox's numbers, back in the 1992-93 school year, about 0.55 students per million were shot and killed; in 2014-15, that rate was closer to 0.15 per million.

"The difference is the impression, the perception that people have," Fox says — and he traces that to cable news and social media. "Today we have cell phone recordings of gunfire that play over and over and over again. So it's that the impression is very different. That's why people think things are a lot worse now, but the statistics say otherwise."

Other experts agree. Garen Wintemute is an emergency room physician who leads a prominent gun violence research program at the University of California, Davis. He says school shootings, specifically, are not epidemic.

"Schools are just about the safest place in the world for kids to be," Wintemute says. "Although each one of them is horrific and rivets the entire nation for a period of time, mass shootings at schools are really very uncommon, and they are not increasing in frequency. What's changed is how aware we are of them."

But Wintemute believes mass shootings — whether in schools or elsewhere — are increasing social pressure to address the far more common threat of small-scale shootings, which mostly happen in private.

"For school-age kids, the kind of shooting we most need to worry about is the kind of shooting that occurs off the school grounds," Wintemute says. "The best way to prevent school shootings is to prevent shootings in general."

He endorses broader gun safety measures, such as "red flag" laws, which give authorities the ability to remove firearms temporarily from people deemed to be threatening violence to themselves or others.

Wintemute and Fox say that by focusing so narrowly on school shootings, we run the risk of turning schools into fortresses. Fox says, given the statistics, it's misguided to put kids through metal detectors and active shooter drills, and he doesn't like the new calls for armed teachers.

"Most adults wouldn't want their workplaces to look like what some of the schools are looking like, now," Fox says.

But the perception of danger puts school administrators in a difficult position.

Marysville Pilchuck High School, about an hour north of Seattle, has experienced the tragedy of a shooting, and the statistical rarity is no comfort.

On Oct. 24, 2014, a freshman shot five other students in the cafeteria, killing four, before killing himself. Ever since, administrators have struggled to restore the students' sense of safety.

"Probably, every day it pops into your head at one time or another," says acting district superintendent Jason Thompson. "You think, 'Okay, we've had our shooting,' right? It's human to think that way. But I think a lot of times for me, it's like, 'This could happen again.'"

For the last three years, the district has wrestled with how to make schools safer, without going overboard. Local voters defeated a bond levy which would have remodeled the open-style campus into a more secure, single-entrance configuration. So the school remains very open. There's a new security camera, a security guard near the entrance, and visitors are told to wear a badge on campus, but there are no new fences or metal detectors.

Greg Dennis, who runs security for the district, says it's hard to reach consensus on what precautions to take.

"From a parent's perspective, they say, 'Holy cow, why aren't we doing this? Why aren't we building prisons, why aren't we building moats?'" Dennis says. "And the next person says, 'We can't do that! This is public property, you have to make it accessible, how do we use the playgrounds on the weekend?'"

Without the money to rebuild the school, administrators have opted to emphasize training and preparedness. They try to think tactically — for instance, since the shooting in Parkland, they've been reconsidering how to conduct fire drills, to make kids less of a target to potential attackers as they leave their classes.

But Marysville staffers also try to keep the risk in perspective. Dennis says he tries to learn security lessons from other shootings, but he doesn't want to obsess about them.

Madysen Pruss, who's part of a federally-funded counseling program at the school, says that's also her message to students when another shooting is in the news.

"We talk about how it's publicized through social media," Pruss says. "So it makes the threat feel greater than it is."

This year's seniors were freshmen when the shooting happened, so this is the last class that still has memories of the incident. Senior Olivya Cerdinio is one of a group of students who organized the school's observance of the 1-month milestone since the shooting in Parkland.

"I'm like kind of done being sad about it, and I'm just really mad about it, and I want to make a change," she says.

But it's shootings in general that she's mad about — not school shootings in particular.

"It's not dangerous because of how schools are," Cerdinio says, "but because a shooting can happen anywhere. It's more about gun availability."

There was a dramatic drop off according to their own data in 1993
In 1994 the assault weapon ban was enacted (correlation implied by myself without looking at data)
Ban was lifted in 2004
According to their own data there was a dramatic spike again (correlation implied by myself without research)
Things started to decline again, but have been trending up since 2011 according to their data.
That time period includes sandy hook, that data does not include all of the shootings this year.

Furthermore when it comes to murders at school by guns, why should it only be of concern when it's an epidemic?

The article writer implies that more kids die from drowning and bike accidents
Are we not making safer biking areas, are cpr classes not offered, are dangerous swimming areas not marked?

I hate people writing about data that they don't understand. Or writing about stats when it comes to mortality. Cultural conversations drive actions and reactions. Stats don't drive that convo. And right now our culture is screaming out enough.

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>Furthermore when it comes to murders at school by guns, why
>should it only be of concern when it's an epidemic?
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People being murdered should always be a concern. But our reaction to it should be reasonable.

If it is framed as a growing problem and a regular occurrence (like the original post and most of the updates), the reaction is going to be different than if it is a relatively rare event.

The reaction to recent shootings is to "harden" schools. Metal detectors, armed guards/teachers, bullet proof shelters, active shooter drills, etc.

If these types of shootings are relatively rare events, is the cost (financial as well as social) justified?
A school is no more dangerous for a kid than a local park, but there are no calls for hardening our parks.


If you poll people and ask whether crime is on the rise in America, a large majority will say yes. They will say it is much more dangerous than in the 80s and 90s.
So should we implement policies according to people's perceptions or according to what is really happening?

So yes, I responded to the part that I could/wanted to respond to
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And ignored the part making claims I didn't agree with.

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The article writer implies that more kids die from drowning and bike accidents
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which pretty much everyone thinks is stupid that are as reasonable as you're trying to be

but he's using the same data but adding context...stats mean nothing without context

so why ignore context? disagree with context with reason just like you expect for people to make the conclusions about "hardening" schools

>which pretty much everyone thinks is stupid that are as
>reasonable as you're trying to be
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I'll go a step further and say any response (school "hardening", gun control, etc) based on individual incidents like Parkland are not the correct path.
I want gun control measures, but it has nothing to do with the recent school shootings I've seen on the news.

Actions made in reaction to tramuatic events leads to poorly thought out policy.


>but he's using the same data but adding context...stats mean
>nothing without context
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What context was added? He even recognizes the limits by saying "correlation implied by myself without looking at data".


>so why ignore context? disagree with context with reason just
>like you expect for people to make the conclusions about
>"hardening" schools

are we still expecting anything to get passed?

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

https://wapo.st/2wSk1Cn

and this hate movement

He's president so he's gotta own it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shots-fired/index.html