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Topic subjectEither this is most punk rock example in trap or I'm late
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13212151, Either this is most punk rock example in trap or I'm late
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 12:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYhXJaEbw7c

fuck it, don't even watch the video. The visuals completely ruin the song.


So I was listening to the rap caviar playlist on spotify just hitting skip song after song and realizing NO ONE is saying anything fresh until I found this song.

I listened to this at least 3 times in a row.

I thought I happened upon some undiscovered gem but I later realized I was late as fuck to this.

Its a crazy mix of shit that oddly really works together and TBH it reminds me of a young black Lil' Ugly Mane.

The angry inflection
The way over the top boasting
The messy amateur sounding flow
The lo-fi and "cheap" sounding beat

If dude didnt have a rap sheet I would think he was joking but he is unfortunately serious as fuck about that life at 17.

I felt like John Cusack in High Fidelity when he finally listened to the demo from the band of kids who were always talking shit to him


9/10 chance this dude burns out quick like all the other one hit rappers
13212153, RE: Either this is most punk rock example in trap or I'm late
Posted by double 0, Mon Nov-13-17 12:25 PM
This has been poppin since early summer..,

Unfortunately.. his case is real as shit and he is prolly gone forever
13212160, I'm like...how did I miss this?!
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 12:30 PM
13212173, Based on the video and his crew
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Nov-13-17 12:38 PM
I would have thought he was some lame kid perpetrating(and he still might be, even with whatever charges he caught)
13212176, he's implicated pretty thoroughly in 2 murders
Posted by dba_BAD, Mon Nov-13-17 12:43 PM
and some other crimes

surveillance footage and all that (allegedly)
13212187, So I have two questions...
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 12:50 PM
1. is there an uptick of rappers who are tied to criminal activity? It seems like we're seeing this happen a bit more these days - then again...Slick Rick, Snoop & 'Pac

2. Has this topic been explored?

3. Has the topic of art imitating life/life imitating art in hip hop been explored?
13212196, I think it's cause it's easier to make songs and put them out there
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Nov-13-17 12:59 PM
due to technology.

Back in the day you would have NEVER heard of this dude because he didn't have a label to put his stuff out there.

There were probably a GANG of would-be rappers back in the day who got locked up before they had a chance to record anything.

Also there's probably more people in general trying to rap now since it's proven to be a lucrative job, so I guess it would make sense more criminals are getting involved.
13212228, yes
Posted by bearfield, Mon Nov-13-17 01:58 PM
>1. is there an uptick of rappers who are tied to criminal
>activity? It seems like we're seeing this happen a bit more
>these days - then again...Slick Rick, Snoop & 'Pac

the bar for making rap songs is extremely low these days (not judging, just stating a fact) and there are a million kids and young adults making beats that they put out for free on YT and SC, and some big name producers are willing to sell top-tier work to enterprising young trappers. bars are hastily strung together over a beat. a eager-to-work videographer is hired and shoots a video in the trap house/complex. video goes up on YT and it gets a few million views. touring commences. merch gets sold. money gets washed. maybe a transition to actual rapping fame happens
13212231, I was in LA this weekend and industry heads were having this convo
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-13-17 02:09 PM
YT has changed the game.
13212157, .
Posted by dba_BAD, Mon Nov-13-17 12:28 PM
.
13212167, Hiphop is in an odd, post punk phase right now.
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Nov-13-17 12:35 PM
Like a lot of the rappers popping over the last 10 years would have been been laughing stocks in the 90's/early 00s

There's less of an emphasis on hardcore rhyming and more sing-songy verses that sound like choruses.

It's hard to describe, most music now has sort of grey-ish/blue-ish tint to it.
13212174, Most things sound like Ren & Ten from Brown Sugar at this point
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 12:40 PM
>Like a lot of the rappers popping over the last 10 years
>would have been been laughing stocks in the 90's/early 00s
>
I totally agree with this, but at the same time, I think the metric has changed and rap fans I assume are checking for some other thing (style?)

>There's less of an emphasis on hardcore rhyming and more
>sing-songy verses that sound like choruses.
>

Yup

13212183, Not that it's a bad thing
Posted by Adwhizz, Mon Nov-13-17 12:47 PM
I think Kanye West made it OK for mainstream rappers to be awkward/nerdy as fuck.

13212186, Didn’t listen... I’m on that flipnile
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-13-17 12:49 PM
I’m not listening to shit I prolly won’t enjoy
13212188, give it a spin. its so odd it works.
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 12:51 PM
13212208, 5 seconds and nah... nope
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-13-17 01:18 PM
13212212, you ever listen to Lil Ugly Mane?
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 01:24 PM
or any of the weird cross over shit from Lazer Sword, Sarah Farina, Machine Drum, etc?

It kinda fits in that area in some ways

ex:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrll5fwhqY
13212230, Haha... goodness no.
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Nov-13-17 01:59 PM
13212192, Great song. Kids going to jail tho.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Nov-13-17 12:54 PM
13212197, I remember the story but I never gave him a listen. (NY Times link)
Posted by Marbles, Mon Nov-13-17 01:02 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/arts/music/tay-k-the-race-criminal-charges.html

The song isn't the worst thing I've ever heard.
13212202, Pitiful that he's really a true criminal
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Mon Nov-13-17 01:11 PM
13212203, What makes it like Punk Rock?
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Mon Nov-13-17 01:12 PM
13212209, there are some stark similarities and differences
Posted by dba_BAD, Mon Nov-13-17 01:21 PM
similarities being lo fi, lack of musical aspiration or technical mastery etc. plus the anti-establishmentism, even "anti social"ism

key difference being the vanity, boastful, pretty boy, capitalistic shit both in terms of the content as well as the medium
13212211, pretty much
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 01:23 PM
13212210, The DIY feel of it. Its not polished and its raw.
Posted by double negative, Mon Nov-13-17 01:21 PM
like the Ramones

it owns everything it is

edit:

there are "low fi" rappers like say Bushwick Zombies, but even they have a level of polish through the grit. This is just rawness on another level
13212224, mainly a disregard for tradition + a raw, stripped down sound
Posted by bearfield, Mon Nov-13-17 01:51 PM
similar to how the raw, stripped down sound of punk rock was partially a reaction to the insanity of meticulous, over-produced, and operatic 70s rock. replace guitar solos with intricate rap verses and you get "punk" rap like the south florida guys and criminals washing their money (21 savage, nba youngboy, tay-k)
13212219, Punk wise its more Blink 182 than Sex Pisols
Posted by Innocent Criminal, Mon Nov-13-17 01:40 PM
Take that for what you will.
13212223, This is a horrible song
Posted by Heinz, Mon Nov-13-17 01:49 PM

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IG @h_n_z
13212233, how about this Gummo joint from 6ix9ine
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Nov-13-17 02:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAs9HZC9c7Y

song gets me energized as fuck in the gym
13212285, LOL. I know that exact house they shot that in front of
Posted by BigReg, Mon Nov-13-17 04:07 PM
Goddamn, Bed stuy is hella weird now
13212339, RE: He Mexican?
Posted by astralblak, Mon Nov-13-17 07:06 PM
this shit is OD with the toxic masculinity
13212322, play stupid games; win stupid prizes n/m
Posted by NoFuture4Us, Mon Nov-13-17 05:45 PM
13212344, O.J. Should come out with a trap song or collab...
Posted by Coprolalia, Mon Nov-13-17 07:23 PM
Or is it just my old ass or is this disturbing??? this real life shit, dudes involved in multiple murders and people’s hype over his music about it....


13212388, OJ, the Juice Man + OJ the Juiceman????
Posted by Nodima, Tue Nov-14-17 12:27 AM

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
13212382, for me, getting old, it'll prolly always be Pill's Trap Goin' Ham
Posted by Nodima, Mon Nov-13-17 11:49 PM
with time it's proven to be pretty conventional in terms of sound and fidelity, but man if this video and the content of the song didn't feel like it was challenging everybody me and people like me (white, suburban or midtown rap fans) felt about trap music aside from our knowledge of the real world problems of the Gucci/Jeezy beef.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42Wxd-_drg


still disappointed what wound up happening with this dude.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz