Damn Lawrence!

This show is still super corny to me, but its aiiight

"Zaddy", "woke", "dick print sweatpants", "Bey is queen", its just so mehhhhh @ all the tireless 2000&late references. But ok

talked about this last night.

Wife thinks its about Lawrence flexing power over Issa

I think its just Lawrence 1. wanting him a piece since its been a long time and 2. feeling himself since hes been getting loving from home girl.

but yo. Homie ain't even reach for no condom, ain't ask her if she had one. Made no attempt to pull out. Didn't even make the cross over his head and chest. Bruh.

but


I've totally been there.


The ex is looking mighty fine, you not thinking right and your brain is scrambled for whatever reasons



SHOULDWEBEDOINGTHIS?

OHMYGOD.

WEDOINGTHIS.























*heavy nut*

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Lawrence and Issa fucking, near sexual assault on Lawrence's part

She looked confused afterwards. I think that's were the impression might have come from.

but based on the preview of next week she was fine with it and is delusional about their relationship status

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feelings for each other.

People knock of their exes all the time with no intention of ever getting back together.

nm

Even as a dude, I wasn't feelin' that! Before THAT, I'd empathized wit' cuh.

also keep forgetting Tiffany is Amanda Diva. I remember when OKP would promote her mixtapes

subtle thing, I kept laughing whenever I looked at his hairline

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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg


Just trying to share the world - www.JySbr.net

"I got kids too turn up" got me also.

legit question.

almost like a gangsta'd out 2-step. The original B-Walk was mainly done on your toes instead of heels, and you would see Quik do it a lot, such as in "Get ya walk on."

C-Walk is way more on heels, and it moves faster. The B-Walk now is more so moving on each quarter note, while the C-Walk moves on each 8th note (think of the usual hi hit, moving each time it hits).

We also had the Clown Walk in 2001-2003, which was a super dancey version of the Crip Walk that also used the Jamaican Heel Toe.

.

I'm about to bonnect

That shit is hilarious and scary.

.

!

BITCH I GOT KIDS TOO, TURN UP!

nigga funny as shit. he was funny on ABG as the baby voice nigga Darius.

By at LATEST the fourth episode

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Cuz I sure as fuck don't.

he's like 8 though.

What show?

the main character's love interest is filipino man named Josh Chan. White Josh is his friend who is also named Josh, hence white Josh.

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she will get that raise

wait, she might have mentioned a brother in passing now that I think about it.

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Though I knew all the songs played this time at least.

That SZA "Love Galore" always gets me for some reason. I just wish the lyrics weren't so trite.

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I think the reactions highlight our inability to empathize with each other

The roles usually are reversed, but people taking sides that align with their gender

although it's damn funny lol.

>
>I think the reactions highlight our inability to empathize
>with each other



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i do not get all the reading people did into them having sex though
people are so weird

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cause 20 years ago we weren't having group think pieces about fucking an ex on the couch and if it's sexual assault or not.

20 years ago the nation was fucking obsessed with whether or not the president got a blowjob and what he did with a cigar.

but ok

no thinkpieces

LOL.

y'all don't even think before you type

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https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/apa/d/stunning-apartment/6231702960.html

Every single scene.

When Issa came over!
And that apartment Larry just got... in LA that shit would be dumb expensive.

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"Issa put the cookie down!"
the way she threw that cookie down and Molly's response was so effin' funny to me for some reason



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The comedy has been low key super sharp this season.

Bad.
BAD.

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Lawrence told her about Issa

as in very well done

broken p*ssy last season. Ha.

i actively saw like the first two eps, then the infamous finale after all the hooplah about it. and the other 7 are clouded in smoke so i dont remember them lol.

like a less attractive jill marie jones

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOGVV6VAg2z/?

she is just dripping with #blackgirlmagic

that smile is captivating and she looks like she smells good lol

Tasha is sexy as fuck too

fuck Issa big teeth ass lol

she do have some CHOMPERS on her.
I really wasn't into Yvonne Orji until this season

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He's still living life passively.

OK, in your mind you man up by coming clean with the may or may not have been cheating to Tasha.

But when he hopped over there to apologize again you could tell the Tasha character was waiting for a firm commitment of either yes or no, instead he slunk off and SHE was the one who had to call him back for dinner.

His whishy-washiness hasn't been fixed with his new job, new gym, and new life.

I mean, kudos for being honest cause I damn sure woulda kept that shit to myself but dude was cheated on and fell up in some new ass but that old thing is still on his mind.

He SHOULDA gave a confirmation but it's obvious he isn't ready to give it yet.

And he told Molly the same thing when she 'ran into him' by the gig.

That's why Tasha still invited him in. She took it like a woman (I get it, we weren't exclusive) and he made a decision (it's done), like a man.

I'm actually curious how their characters stay on the show because without him tied to Issa, those two should disappear (outside of the, 'oh snap, I ran into Lawrence with his new chic' appeal of what, 1 episode?)

Maybe in the end he in fact reverts to wishy washy and goes back to Issa (probably after she's with some new dude, to maintain the drama) but right now, it looks like he's really moved on.

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

are they making fun of Underground or just fucking with Hollywood about slave movies...

I crack the fuck up every time they show a scene from that show.

i think they're messing with hollywood about the slave portrayals they love so much.

I am so curious to see what this slave move/show is about!

*Black Dynamite voice*

A perfectly good person who will needlessly have their heart broken by one of the core characters because they can't get out of the way of their own idiocy.

Feel so bad for her, but am going to enjoy her for as long as she's around.

I know she is hurt but I"m wondering if she is going to be flexible since she seemed open when he told her she was in a relationship last season.

From the time they first hooked up at the end of S1, it was clear Lawrence saw her as a rebound. Which makes sense, when you go from leaving your longtimee SO you lived with and are fucking someone new that same day, that's not something designed to last.

But he can't be honest with himself and admit that's all Tasha was to him. So now he comes to her wanting to make it work, which isn't something he really wants. But now that she's going to be drawn into a long term thing with him, it's going to end poorly.

I been there before. That rebound that actually might be a great fit if you weren't all hurt over the ex.

My girl put on an ep while I was eating, trying to turn me into a fan. Whole show is about fucking and dating, with no real plot. Every other scene there were titties offset by man ass. I don't like Issa Rae's voice.

This show is a like a chicken head jawn that dresses sophisticated.

lol

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7e/d7/81/7ed781fdba45276602940a5596dfef68.gif

and be mad its 'all about fucking and dating'. Old "Fast and The Furious sucks, its just about niggas racing" ass nigga!

>and be mad its 'all about fucking and dating'. Old "Fast and
>The Furious sucks, its just about niggas racing" ass nigga!

If I want to see some sex shit I'm going straight to that.

Maybe I was expecting too much thinking this was gonna have some sort of story line or plot.

there is a story/plot you just aren't interested.

Enjoy your porn

...this show is some basic shit, man, dressed-up in "progressive" black culture.

Was there nudity last season?

but yeah its mad basic. but 99% of people are basic.

cause no one ever suggested this was some deep thought provoking Black TV

Is it groundbreaking? Not really...you got hella premium tv shows talking about dating/relationships.

The problem is that its hard to find that kind of nuanced representation of BLACK folks in that sphere; for instance as well filmed and acted Queen Sugar is its still hokey as fuck with characters doing dumb shit just to move plot along.

So yeah, on the surface its about a chick who cheated on her dude, but the way we got there, the way the characters interact with each other...its really well made and realistic along with entertaining.

And thank you for that bit about Queen Sugar. I only got 3 episodes in before I gave up.

EXT. THE MILL

WE SEE the lush Louisiana countryside until WE FIND our subject, BigReg

SLOW ZOOM IN ON BigReg

VIEW ON BigReg - close up then at a slight angle to make him look smaller

SCENE:

BigReg cries in the corner as the sunshine slowly grazes over his tears, while in the opposite side of the frame the rest of the Bordelon family cries and holds each other knowing that they will get through this together as long as they stay a family and Ralph Angel stays cute.

At first I had no interest but after 2 episodes they got me.

.

like in the first episode when the one woman finds out her basketball player husband is cheating via a text alert that she and everyone sitting around her gets at the same time... and she storms the court.

Or when she, the rich one, slams the door of her luxury car just as Oddisee's lyrics hit "I wanna make non-stop profits..."

Or when ol' girl is in bed with the white guy and there's the dreamy folk music playing.

In addition to what Reg said about the camera work.

Too me, it's just... too dramatic, too on-the-nose, too... everything.

And it JUST SO HAPPENS to be about some terrible,
gossipy, dramatic show... yet you're the guy who
was name-calling to cosign someone's obvious lack
of comprehension, solely because they attacked me.

This is the kind of thing you get passionate about tho.
lol
I see why that academic discussion was above your head now.

I'm fairly accustomed to random attacks from ppl who
are insecure about their level of intelligence, so now
I get why you came at me like that despite me never
having a problem with you. I was actually trying to
figure out if we'd ever had beef before, so thanks
for clearing that up.

https://media.giphy.com/media/7yDthHaq2haXS/200.gif


This is some Queen Sugar drama for real.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b9/ac/42/b9ac42f51f20fc6b814aaa70b878226c.jpg

Sooo...

Edit:
Ok, I found it.
This dude waited a fucking month to come at me over this right here
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13171485&mesg_id=13171485&listing_type=search#13171606


LMAO,
bruh. get the fuck over yourself.
that shit had you in your feelings for a month?!
go outside.
get off the internet.
yikes dude.

>LMAO,
>bruh. get the fuck over yourself.
>that shit had you in your feelings for a month?!
>go outside.
>get off the internet.
>yikes dude.


But you were in your feelings enough to be namecalling
in a conversation to which you had zero contribution.
Take your own advice, and stop pretending.

You've been mad about one sentence for a month.

Don't mistake me remembering your mad outburst for me
being mad. You got no room to be tryna shame me after that.

I'm just here to thank you for making it clear that
your sudden childishness was all insecurity, so
thank you.
Not even ironic you love a show called "Insecure."

One word really.
But I'm the insecure one.
I'm done bruh.
Have the last last word, if that's what you need.
I hope that it brings you joy.

Now get back to your soap opera discussion.

He asked to be on my radar.

I'm just kind enough to oblige.

IONO what Reg said about the camera work, but if ain't praise, then he don't know what he talking about. There are just straight gorgeous shots in ep after ep...

they've let the story develop more naturally in season two. but yes, it's def melodrama, I love Amoldovar so...

but then again I feel some of the hate is oriented around the POV being mujeres and not men, not saying with you though, you def got some of the best nuance and insight on these boards.

I also just gotta support that Ava has literally given director jobs to women of color, in particular Black women, for the whole series

Queen Sugar, like Hitori said above, is just so on the nose it's feels so cheesy. When you've got such great camerawork (easily the best on tv now outside of maybe Thrones) and actors bringing their A+ game to the material the flaws of the script stand out more.

Like on the flip, I love a show like Greenleaf where Oprah herself can show up and ham it up as a bar owner who likes her men young. It has a firm grasp of what it's going for even if it's not high art the script, directors and actors are all on the same page making it lean mean television even with the weak links (the main actress)

Queen Sugar should be up there with your HBO shows for the work they put into it but it's woefully beyond the mark. For instance, I can't take the Ralph Angel narrative of him being a great understanding father when the character got introduced abandoning his child at a park to commit armed robbery: it takes the wind out of all his earlier distrust issues with his baby mother...its like nigga you worse then her!

But like you said Amoldovar also loves his melodrama and ramps it up to show the different colors of life but that feels true to the greater themes of his movies. Here, it feels like they are being a bit manipulative and are more concerned with the greater plot. Then again, unlike a 2 hour movie the script also has to service years down the line worth of possible plots.

So a guy can't do dirt when his back is against the wall and he needs money AND be a good father? Seems like the beef with RA on the show is his shitty past and how they won't let him forget he used to be an aint shit dude.

A Black family with a shit load of drama and issues seems pretty normal to me.

So, ok. You gonna rob a store with your gun because your back is against the wall; that happens every day and its fucked up I get it.

You gonna take your kid to the park a block away for bonding time, strapped, right before said robbery?

You gonna ABANDON your five year old kid as prime child molester bait while you go rob the store down the block with a gun having no idea how its gonna turn out(shootouts, might have to run from the cops?)

You couldn't drop that nigga off ANYWHERE? You had to combine daddy day and robbery day together? LOLZ

This would work in empire where it's supposed to be silly. Or Greenleaf where its a full on prime time soap.

But for a show that takes its drama seriously the tone is fucked up. The character Ralph Angel would have robbed the store at that time but he would not have done it that way...that's just inconsistent writing.

and it's TV, of course they did that scene for a reason. It shows that Ralph was an idiot and a grimy dude back in the day.

Also, dude isn't a good criminal.

Not trying to throw my people under the bus but I have a relative who looks out for his cousins and gives them the world. Unfortunately, he gave it to them with stolen CC's. He wasn't smart about it either and had to do some time.

Some folks are compassionate and dumb as rocks.

That scene didn't bother me at all (well, as a parent it bothered me).

Maybe 2. I did notice the change in 'feel' from last season, so maybe a dope story line will pop up too.

and made that dumb ass post?

you a fool.

The first season seemed even worse. Making faces ain't really entertaining film to me.

Seems like this is a black soap opera, man. A show about people fucking each other and sneaking around. What else is there to it? And I ain't one for soaps, so...

.

PORNHUB GOT BETTER PLOTS THAN THIS BULLSHIT

>PORNHUB GOT BETTER PLOTS THAN THIS BULLSHIT

it's everything that doesnt interest me about television

>

not really but i be entertained tho.

.

.
.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

Maybe last season just had a slow start, but the jokes out the gates have been hitting.

It's funny because I never considered Issa funny until now. ABG was super corny to me. Now she got that HBO swagger.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I wasn't feeling the acting or the chemistry but it picked up halfway through the season.

I wonder if they got better writers/producers to pick things up.

by the end of last season I was all in.

the funniest stuff to me have been performance wise or reactions, subtle things. like Issa with the cookie. the look Molly gave Issa when she asked her to pull up Lawrence girl in the restroom. that whole conversation between Issa and Chad when she dropped by to see Lawrence. pretty much anything Kelli does. seems like they're getting comfortable with their characters and it's flowing smoother



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When dude opened the door and sipped that drink looking at Issa, I was rolling.

or when they were smoking at the party and her husband enhaled some of his wife's smoke. I laughed.

Let the bitch read... lol

That dude has been over the top to me but that scene made me realized that he is THAT dude.




>the funniest stuff to me have been performance wise or
>reactions, subtle things. like Issa with the cookie. the look
>Molly gave Issa when she asked her to pull up Lawrence girl in
>the restroom. that whole conversation between Issa and Chad
>when she dropped by to see Lawrence. pretty much anything
>Kelli does. seems like they're getting comfortable with their
>characters and it's flowing smoother
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>the funniest stuff to me have been performance wise or
>reactions, subtle things. like Issa with the cookie. the look
>Molly gave Issa when she asked her to pull up Lawrence girl in
>the restroom. that whole conversation between Issa and Chad
>when she dropped by to see Lawrence. pretty much anything
>Kelli does. seems like they're getting comfortable with their
>characters and it's flowing smoother
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exactly, its low key funny,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk1-d3_j7z4

and i dont think the twitter servers will be able to withstand it

.

The internet would be set ablaze like Lawrence came through riding Drogon

.

>and i dont think the twitter servers will be able to
>withstand it

lol@ dude calling him "rules"

He should've told Tasha hey I've got this work things to go to a little later, so I'll kick it here for a little bit, then I'm gonna roll out.
Stay at the bbq and hour, hour and a half and then head to the function.
But thinking you're gonna go and come back -- dumb.

Never should have let it get this far with someone he doesn't see as more of a rebound. But he sees himself as a good guy who would never do something like just have a fuck thing with an insanely gorgeous woman he doesn't really connect with on any deeper level. And it gets him into shit like this, where he's ditching her in the middle of a family BBQ to flirt with waitresses at a fancy coding party. She was 100% right about everything she called him, and as much as I was on his side last season, it all needed to be said.

but watch him somehow worm his way back in next week or something. I hope Tasha does him like Molly at the end of last season.

I think Tasha is equally to blame because she didn't really give this man enough time to vet his feelings and for them to build a real connection.

He is not interested in her silly tv shows and that cook out was HILARIOUS. "You can play music in the park?.. Man, gimme the damn cord!"

But yes, Lawrence is finally getting to a point where he can look at himself with pride and honor and be honest about what he wants. Unfortunately he did it on the back of Tasha's availability, literally and figuratively.

then he got there an he wasnt fucking with it. so breh hit that ejector seat button. yeah it was mad sloppy. but tasha just went in on him to save her ego.

the hive still strong.

He hurt her feelings and was mad disrespectful. Granted she opened the door, but she called him out for being cold and selfserving.

He deserved it.

we in the spin zone rn. #LawrenceHIVE

it was one of our first glimpses at seeing him as a square and yuppie.

He side eyed the kids playing
felt weird wheeling the auntie to her spot
and had the cousin call his ass out for being corny

that's also why he dipped so quick

and as soon as he got to the other spot he was all in his shots shot shots shots grove.

he def felt more in his element with his coworkers

he's still wrong as fuck how he handled it though

.

Like dude had been the unemployed loafer for most of the show but there was this element of him turning his nose up at old girl who works at the bank.

Saw more of it with his discomfort at the BBQ which seemed to be more than just not wanting to be wifed up.

I wonder if it will get addressed.


>it was one of our first glimpses at seeing him as a square
>and yuppie.
>
>He side eyed the kids playing
>felt weird wheeling the auntie to her spot
>and had the cousin call his ass out for being corny
>
>that's also why he dipped so quick
>
>and as soon as he got to the other spot he was all in his
>shots shot shots shots grove.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Like dude had been the unemployed loafer for most of the show
>but there was this element of him turning his nose up at old
>girl who works at the bank.
>
>Saw more of it with his discomfort at the BBQ which seemed to
>be more than just not wanting to be wifed up.

but after the smoke clears and the blood leaves your dick you look around and see this girl is cool where she is in life.

I remember asking one girl what her plans/dreams were and she said it was to move further away from the city where she would be cut off from more opportunities and access to the bus line.

Nah... I'm good

Dudes have a tendency of saying/doing what we think women wanna hear out of fear of not losing the pussy. Especially in the position that Lawrence is in.

He still hurting

not cool and Tasha doesn't deserve that as she had nothing to do with hurting him

She should stop dealing with him though - he's not gonna treat her well in the end

and then just left like that.

They will be putting you to work,

but yeah Lawrence got a what he deserved, he was wrong to flake like that,

Rules, lol

This was the awkward show , Lawrence at the cookout, Issa trying to be a ho

This season is kind of wandering, though I'm interested in seeing what the do with Molly

At this point she's the only character I'm rooting for

Looking around at that hood ass family vs a mixer at work?

Still can't believe Lawrence asked if they could play music at the park.. smh

cuz he said oh you a play by the rules type nigga

if you just smashing a chick, never go to a family function. Took an L for that one, now you got put in the "I felt obligated" category

and also indicative of them low key writing themselves into a corner.

if they not getting back together, Lawrence gotta get written off by the end of the season, and things go back to Issa being the main POV character with Molly as tangent perspective.

I don't see how they just keep writing eps of them working on it. that's gunna get tedious. And honestly, how or why would they in real life.

also the angle with the principle, while true to life is being handled hella wack. the white girl being the one recognizing it as a problem is also goofy

and just to state, the show still good. I know we in the either it's great or wack era, with critique sounding like I'm hate watching on some SOA shit. but nah. show good.

>also the angle with the principle, while true to life is being
>handled hella wack.

agreed, show is cool but feels like they're shortchanging Issa's job/nonprofit plot line. Like its an afterthought. Wouldnt be mad if the show was an hour long - even the episode 2 house party escalation felt rushed.

Also need to hear this pharcyde for the end credits lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mf0xIrCXGY

Still good, but the jokes are carrying it. Not the plot. Can't figure out where they are going with it. The characters are too old for their shenanigans.

exes become your friend or date your friend even marry another and still end up with you

Molly, maybe even Tasha, will get episodes dedicated to her aspirations sans Issa...

all that is at least 3 more seasons

I don't need it to be "believeable" in my real universe..just within the universe that the show created

and in the universe of Insecure, everything that has happened fits the characters in the way they are written

other than being glad that black folks are writing and telling their own stories and casting black actors and hiring black crew members, i don't need the characters or the story to "speak to me"... just entertain me.

and it is. and i'm loving it.

the writers (read: issa) are telling the story they want to tell. we have no idea where its going and nor should we. It has not been predictable at all so far, imo.

d

good for you. i do, but if you don't want to cool. I aint mad at ya

>I don't need it to be "believeable" in my real universe..just
>within the universe that the show created
>
agreed and in the world of the of this show they are writing it into a corner were Issa and Lawrence getting back together will be hard to believe, for me, right now.

>and in the universe of Insecure, everything that has happened
>fits the characters in the way they are written
>
agreed.

>other than being glad that black folks are writing and telling
>their own stories and casting black actors and hiring black
>crew members, i don't need the characters or the story to
>"speak to me"... just entertain me.
>
I am entertained and can be critical. Tyler Perry does all of the above and still fuck most his movies, ideas, and character tropes.

>and it is. and i'm loving it.
>
seems like me and most of the people in this thread are, don't mean I gotta turn my brain off

>the writers (read: issa) are telling the story they want to
>tell. we have no idea where its going and nor should we. It
>has not been predictable at all so far, imo.
>
>d

OK. some parts for me have been predictable and it's still be enjoyable.

I know dudes have a harder time forgiving women for cheating but most couples that are together have someone who cheated at some point in time.

It's why I laugh at OKP's who scream acquittal if someone doesn't text back after 3 days or spreads the peanut butter and jelly on the same piece of bread.

and this is how some Black folks do when it comes to Black vs Hispanic.

should more hispanics be in there? of course.. but my people need help as well so lets rock with it.

to her it's better to have a full house of black students and help them than to complain, leave the school and not be able to help anyone.

The white girl doesnt' understand that dynamic that we can't help them all and complaining wont' make things better.

just a little heavy handed from how the principle delivers his bigotry, and having the white girl be the one who is conscious of it is a bit grating

but yeah, Issa def has he reasons is justified for why she's taken her position, and honestly why the white girl's position annoys me. like shut up yo, you hear cause of Issa, let her cook and figure it out

White folks love to point out "racism" when it's Black folk.

Dude is a bigot but were the Latino teachers trying to help those 2 get kids into the program?

I also love how they had the "Latina" at her gig who wanted no parts of that school

I think it really comes down to Issa wanting to succeed cause Lawrence is making good money at his new gig and she isn't winning at life. That ex revenge sex can really leave your head spinning.

>White folks love to point out "racism" when it's Black folk.
>
that's not what's being depicted here
>
>Dude is a bigot but were the Latino teachers trying to help
>those 2 get kids into the program?
>
what

>I also love how they had the "Latina" at her gig who wanted no
>parts of that school
>
she been all around trash since season 1. and she's Asian bro

>I think it really comes down to Issa wanting to succeed cause
>Lawrence is making good money at his new gig and she isn't
>winning at life. That ex revenge sex can really leave your
>head spinning.

this is a unique angle. you def could be on to something

get their kids into the program.

they had a "whatever" attitude about it

While the actor Sarah is Indian in real life but on the show? Ionno. The way she said "if only we had Latina stuff to connect with them" and the joke that followed felt like they were being funny style with her character. Like she might be or knows spanish but is doing the whole "I'm American" angle.

>just a little heavy handed from how the principle delivers
>his bigotry, and having the white girl be the one who is
>conscious of it is a bit grating

Particularly since Issa overplays the, 'What, what do you mean..RACIST?!?' guilty look..I get the scenario...its just I don't think it would be that blatant (principal would be lest overtly racist, white girl would tip-toe around it more when bringing it up, Issa would be more protective on on some, 'AT LEAST SOME KIDS ARE GETTING HELP').

I get they are playing it up for jokes tho, particularly the principal's racism.

I can see the We're better writers than you folks popping up. But how long do you think it will take before Ninjas just go Black Twitter Hate on this show?



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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

people LOVE love and hip hop, they love drama.

Only if it does some off the wall shit like Empire will ppl say nah this won't work...but Issa already knows how she is ending the show, has all the seasons mapped out.

Subsequent seasons may not be as good BUT she's smart limiting the seasons to 8 episodes...ppl aren't going to turn on this show unless Issa gets with a white man.

Shit look at Girlfriends, essentially this is the same situation going on when Toni cheated on her man and kept trying to win him back.

but show is dope bruh

At least that's what I thought before I realized she last fucked 3 months ago.

Maybe not now.

Buuut it def wasn't paint fumes.

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Issa thought she had he grove back then LA dudes put her back in her place

the shit with Molly and Al B Sure 2.0 was well done

really dug how they handled the cop and the threesome with Lawrence

and the fingering at Swingers, lol

the only annoying shit was how many times they name dropped kiss and grind in the first 5 minutes

but yeah, well done

>the shit with Molly and Al B Sure 2.0 was well done

Molly turned down Sterling Brown and concert tickets last week because she felt he was too into her stats and not her.

But she's flirting with hooking up with a married dude that she could easily catch real feelings for?

Issa feels like she wouldda made that choice since she's all about enjoying life and dating around for now, for Molly it feels inconsistent.

>really dug how they handled the cop and the threesome with
>Lawrence

I love the idea on paper but I thought the execution was clunky. I loved the Weeknd and coke jokes, but the whole threesome setup felt like it was written by a 12 year old. That said, i loved the fact they tackled the fetishization that happens when your a POC dating white; sometimes you're personality takes second seat to their fetish, lol.

I wouldda sworn white girl was gonna call him nigger though...it feels like the threesome with the asian girl was to soften the blow and make it about race but not about racism.

>>the shit with Molly and Al B Sure 2.0 was well done
>
>Molly turned down Sterling Brown and concert tickets last week
>because she felt he was too into her stats and not her.
>
>But she's flirting with hooking up with a married dude that
>she could easily catch real feelings for?
>
it makes sense imo. they known each other since they were kids. got some drink in them and having a good time, but she didn't end up hooking up with him. while other dude was too pressed and like her.

>Issa feels like she wouldda made that choice since she's all
>about enjoying life and dating around for now, for Molly it
>feels inconsistent.
>
>>really dug how they handled the cop and the threesome with
>>Lawrence
>
>I love the idea on paper but I thought the execution was
>clunky. I loved the Weeknd and coke jokes, but the whole
>threesome setup felt like it was written by a 12 year old.
>That said, i loved the fact they tackled the fetishization
>that happens when your a POC dating white; sometimes you're
>personality takes second seat to their fetish, lol.
>
yeah the second part is really what I was talking about. How they got to the apartment was weak as hell. But that scene seemed to be about the fetish. I also dug that Lawrence felt like shit after. It wasn't a big W for him. He just not built for hoeing. having him in front of Issa's apt was a good touch imo as well.

>I wouldda sworn white girl was gonna call him nigger
>though...it feels like the threesome with the asian girl was
>to soften the blow and make it about race but not about
>racism.

yeah man, I was cringing hard, like fuck, here it comes the hard ER

That's exactly how it goes down with the "one who got away"

The 3some was awesome because that's prolly what happens more times than not. The fetish is real in the field. I didn't expect nigger but I expected her to keep talking that white skin, black skin pron talk.

Issa tho... ionno. I know she is trying to be the awkward, "insecure" type but some of it feels way too forced.

Lawrence outside her building at the end? Real shit although I hope he showered before going over there. He is about to get his feelings hurt when she strolls up with ole boy at 3AM.

KNG didn't have a huge problem because it was basically promo for their parties, but Vikter says he wishes he could have been involved with it in some capacity. Hence why him or Rashida weren't DJing the party. I just knew he was involved or even paid, because it felt like a commercial for it.

breh got out of a ticket. got his groceries paid for. had a threesome.

shoulda did a line w/ them girls though he would've been reloaded in no time.

Lawrence is a folk hero!

Homie was unemployed for years, and within months of having a job he's rolling in that?

That is one of my issues with the show, the characters and their relations to money. Issa specifically. She works at a non-profit. I know that game. Ain't no way she can afford that wardrobe. She did ask Molly if she'd cover her when they went to the restaurant. So, I guess that means Molly and the other homies are covering her all the time. Because bottle service, trips to beach houses and all that are not going down with LA cost of living + nonprofit pay checks.

thought maybe that was Chad's whip he was driving, but I don't know if Chad is doing that well himself (based on his crib). Was kinda weird because they could've had Lawrence in a nice car, say a Lexus or Infiniti, to make a similar point, where the Jag came off as OTT

I stand corrected, I guess

peep the prices: https://www.cars.com/shopping/jaguar-xj8-2005/?zc=07014

shit, that body type coulda even been older.


LOL. OKP always doing extra.

#lawrencehive

look very Aston Martin-y or Audi-like depending on the model.

https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/f-type/index.html

it made me realize how far we've come with car design in the past decade and even in with just a decade how much as changed - that jag he was driving in had one hell of a greenhouse with a TON of visiblity

it felt like he was driving something from the 70's but with running gear from the 90s and 00's aesthetic

I realized the car might be an early classic and I kind of totally want one now.

this kid i know, he 26, works as a social media analyst or some shit. was in the back of his audie, he had a random pay stub. dude was bringing in damn near 3.5k after taxes every two weeks

He prolly has 20k in the stash right now.

Nothing about her outfits scream PAID. She on that bohemian mix and match steez.

But this:

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2017/08/07/insecure/07-issa-dress.w710.h473.jpg

Don't look like consignment to me.

ole Purple Rain ass jacket

that gucci shirt she was rocking recently? $500. Even consignment is $250.

That last poets sweater? $350

that nigga sweater she wore on her date? $200

that Tubman sweater? Another $200

yes those are the real prices. for clothes that dropped THIS YEAR. none of that is consignment, how I know? her stylist for the show tweets out what she's wearing.

nothing she rocks looks consignment, or vintage. She is in jeans and t shirts most of the time. how?

maybe its her posture

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get off that.

this shirt could be some gucci $500 shit but in THIS scene it looks like a $5 salvation army shirt

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/bd436ee8718acb6c56248ce06f0845d3eb9d67b3/c=459-0-4848-3300&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2016/07/30/USATODAY/USATODAY/636054827247260429-Issa-One.jpeg

>maybe its her posture

That's suuuuuuuuper realistic.

I know so many folks who basically work just to pay for their cars, clothes, vacations, club life, etc.

I know folks who don't even make $30,000 a year who's cars cost $50,000+. And some are shoe heads who have no car, but have a new pair of Jordans every month...hence the memes, "you got on $300 shoes but you walking to work" (which is a stupid meme, but it exists).

I know the premise of the show is essentially about exploring black single life, black relationships/sex, black feminism and touches on identity politics and class wrapped up in an undercurrent of comedy and drama/melodrama. But this season is showing no evolution.

Imo the show is beginning to revolve around a bunch uninteresting subplots that are virtually indistinguishable, some of which were introduced and fleshed out in the former season and rehashed for the second. And all of the characters are still hitting the same notes they were last season. But they are doing so with even more shallow scripting than before, with punchlines coming every second or the third line. I was watching last night thinking all this show needs now is a laugh track.

I'm rooting for Issa, but I think she needs more writers. She and Larry have done just about all they can do. As a side, I'd like to see how the writers would handle a tragedy, a backstory, a family member gone off the rails, traveling to a foreign country, a social issue beyond the obvious race stuff, a friend's illness etc. I don't think we know anything about Issa, Lawrence or Molly's immediate family or background. The character's need growth and their experiences do too.

and LA is one of the main characters.

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sometime i think Legs JUST wrote for that particular reply because it's so appropriate.

sometimes I reread it myself and be like damn, shut up legs

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>I'd like to see how the writers would handle a tragedy, a
>backstory, a family member gone off the rails, traveling to a
>foreign country, a social issue beyond the obvious race stuff,
>a friend's illness etc.
>

Keep that sappy melodrama out of this. Go watch Queen Sugar for that other stuff.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>>I'd like to see how the writers would handle a tragedy, a
>>backstory, a family member gone off the rails, traveling to
>a
>>foreign country, a social issue beyond the obvious race
>stuff,
>>a friend's illness etc.
>>
>
>Keep that sappy melodrama out of this. Go watch Queen Sugar
>for that other stuff.

I can't fucking stand Queen Sugar. For all of the obvious reasons mentioned above. I saw two episodes and was done.

You are missing my point. I'm a fan of the show and the first season rang so authentic for me. This season just seems like cheap laughs and conjured up drama that appeals to our lowest sensibilities. No nuance, shotty character development and the narrative never changes. Issa always ends up confused, frustrated and reeling from some fickle let down sexually or in a state of euphoria based on you guessed it, sex.

It's becoming more and more predicable, the writing is getting lazier and storylines unbelievable. Hell, The Fresh Prince of Bell Aire had more variation to the scriptwriting and that was epitome of corny sitcoms. I just don't want to see a show that started out with so much promise devolve into shallow kicks and giggles.


>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

S1 was all over the place tonally. Issa was struggling to come across authentic with her acting. Molly's arc was mad problematic, and they handled issues around Black Male bisexuality like it was the 1990s

4 episodes in and this shit already clearer and more in stride

>
>I'm rooting for Issa, but I think she needs more writers. She
>and Larry have done just about all they can do.

He helped create it with Issa but hasn't had anything to do with the show beyond the first episode. There is a writing staff for the show. There are numerous folks who write with a single writer getting credit each week.

I had to remind my wife when she was younger she used the word "nigga" interchangably with "black people", "you all", "people", etc.

I am older it's a little more grating.

Anyway if I was talking to a late 20s black girl in a casual dating setting, is this an accurate depiction of what they sounding like these dates?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

wife and I were chopping it over this point

i love the word when used sparingly, but when people start dropping "my nig" I'm like "HOW DARE YOU TALK TO A KING LIKE THAT!?"

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yes we say nigga all the time. I don't say it at work but with my girls, NIGGA WHAT.

i dont remember when the last time i was around you, but i did find it a bit jarring LOL

i adjusted :)

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but no one says nigga as much as they threw it around in Season 1. I use it often as it fits, they forced it a lot

you aren't that old.

The only people who aren't saying it are "those types" of Black folk.

and I remember a few years back everyone was talking about how black white asian, latino kids in Cali all say nigga for breakfast, lunch and dinner

unless I am around my day 1s.

I use to love how jarring it was to use around people who didn't say it. Now I find it jarring to hear so much. *Shrugs*




>you aren't that old.
>
>The only people who aren't saying it are "those types" of
>Black folk.
>
>and I remember a few years back everyone was talking about how
>black white asian, latino kids in Cali all say nigga for
>breakfast, lunch and dinner
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

We discuss a book of the month and for the first 20 minutes or so we all sound like Neil deGrasse Tyson. When the conversation inevitably devolves into real shit like politics, black pop culture, and what the fuck is wrong with people today, best believe its all motherfuckers, these niggas, and a tasteful non-gender conforming use of the word bitches.

It's what we grew up on; I see it with my island peeps when they talk to their fam...one second its all familar hip-hop isms then their pops comes with the patois and it's suddenly a Drake album.

I'm sure a few OKP's don't but cmon.. if they didn't say it people would be like "this show ain't real, they saying brohem, and black brethren... who speaks like that"

And of course there are ALOT of black people who don't talk like that, for different reasons.




>I'm sure a few OKP's don't but cmon.. if they didn't say it
>people would be like "this show ain't real, they saying
>brohem, and black brethren... who speaks like that"


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I had to remind my wife when she was younger she used the
>word "nigga" interchangably with "black people", "you all",
>"people", etc.
>
>I am older it's a little more grating.
>
>Anyway if I was talking to a late 20s black girl in a casual
>dating setting, is this an accurate depiction of what they
>sounding like these dates?

I'm so with you. Look, no condemnation my way as I use the word frequently. But there is such a thing as overkill within a fictional depiction of real life. WE KNOW we call one another that name in a non-malicious way. So, the point of restating it hundreds of times for the sake of an already savvy audience is moot. Either it's just lazy writing by Issa or a white hipster misappropriating the language through dialogue to 'relate' to a culture they truly do not understand.

>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

now if they said it in front of white folk i would have a problem

a lot of people their age talk like that in comfortable settings

you can't overkill with accuracy of language.



>>I had to remind my wife when she was younger she used the
>>word "nigga" interchangably with "black people", "you all",
>>"people", etc.
>>
>>I am older it's a little more grating.
>>
>>Anyway if I was talking to a late 20s black girl in a casual
>>dating setting, is this an accurate depiction of what they
>>sounding like these dates?
>
>I'm so with you. Look, no condemnation my way as I use the
>word frequently. But there is such a thing as overkill within
>a fictional depiction of real life. WE KNOW we call one
>another that name in a non-malicious way. So, the point of
>restating it hundreds of times for the sake of an already
>savvy audience is moot. Either it's just lazy writing by Issa
>or a white hipster misappropriating the language through
>dialogue to 'relate' to a culture they truly do not
>understand.
>
>>
>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>Either it's just lazy writing by Issa
>or a white hipster misappropriating the language through
>dialogue to 'relate' to a culture they truly do not
>understand.
>


I think it's Issa herself misappropriating the language.
We have to remember SHE says she was raised with "things
that aren't considered 'black,' by two well-go-do immigrant
parents. When she moved to a predominantly Black school
in junior high, she says she was "berated for 'acting white'"
and initially found it difficult to "fit into this
'blackness' (she) was supposed to be."
Sure we're all non-white, but there are reasons immigrants
are preferred by the establishment. I'll go into a key one...
When we take into account that colleges and other institutions
usually prefer black immigrants to Black descendants of Chattel
slaves since they demand less and are less difficult,
Hollywood's comfort with her is more understandable...
especially as you see more and more black immigrants and
foreign-born black people taking up space on the American big
screen. It's also understandable that you'd feel like this was
written by someone outside of our culture, because it was even
if she wrote it.
We tend not to pay attention to these things, because we're
just happy to see a black face, but it's being used to
replace those who are owed by the establishment with those
who aren't all while looking "diverse."

Why yall having a hard time understanding alot of young black educated professional people talk like this?

My wife is the daughter of immirgrants, went to mostly PWI, and spoke like this (at least the use of the n word) well into her 20s.




>>Either it's just lazy writing by Issa
>>or a white hipster misappropriating the language through
>>dialogue to 'relate' to a culture they truly do not
>>understand.
>>
>
>
>I think it's Issa herself misappropriating the language.
>We have to remember SHE says she was raised with "things
>that aren't considered 'black,' by two well-go-do immigrant
>parents. When she moved to a predominantly Black school
>in junior high, she says she was "berated for 'acting white'"
>and initially found it difficult to "fit into this
>'blackness' (she) was supposed to be."
>Sure we're all non-white, but there are reasons immigrants
>are preferred by the establishment. I'll go into a key
>one...
>When we take into account that colleges and other
>institutions
>usually prefer black immigrants to Black descendants of
>Chattel
>slaves since they demand less and are less difficult,
>Hollywood's comfort with her is more understandable...
>especially as you see more and more black immigrants and
>foreign-born black people taking up space on the American big
>
>screen. It's also understandable that you'd feel like this
>was
>written by someone outside of our culture, because it was even
>
>if she wrote it.
>We tend not to pay attention to these things, because we're
>just happy to see a black face, but it's being used to
>replace those who are owed by the establishment with those
>who aren't all while looking "diverse."
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

In fairly good detail.
With all due respect, I'm not feeding into your habit
of talking past me today. If you want a discussion,
address what's already been stated rather than acting
like it hasn't been said. Show me that you're capable
of a mature, thoughtful discussion, and we'll continue.

Because she is the daughter of immigrants? Because she went to white schools and was made fun for speaking white? Because the white establishment likes her?

I am not the only one who wasn't clear on your argument. Tariqhu had to guess what you meant and it appears he didn't get whatever the heck you meant either.



>In fairly good detail.
>With all due respect, I'm not feeding into your habit
>of talking past me today. If you want a discussion,
>address what's already been stated rather than acting
>like it hasn't been said. Show me that you're capable
>of a mature, thoughtful discussion, and we'll continue.
>
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

(1)My reply to isisbabyboy was about why her own
writing can easily be indistinguishable from a
white hipster appropriating the culture.
(1a)It's not about whether "young black educated
professionals" talk like that or not.
If you need that broken down further, feel free to
ask "Could you elaborate on this, please" as to
facilitate respectful dialogue.

>Because she is the daughter of immigrants? Because she went
>to white schools and was made fun for speaking white? Because
>the white establishment likes her?

These are insincere questions just like the first one
you asked. However, (2)not being a descendant of chattel
slaves who are owed reparations from America tends to
make one ill-equipped to be the voice of those who are.
If you disagree with that, we should agree to disagree
civilly, before you become hostile as you often do when
addressing me.
My patience for that is NOT infinite.
Again if you disagree with point 2, going into the
particulars of that discussion is a conversation for a
whole different thread.


>I am not the only one who wasn't clear on your argument.
>Tariqhu had to guess what you meant and it appears he didn't
>get whatever the heck you meant either.
>


Tarighu actually pretty much understood what I was
saying in a subject line better than you have after
typing more and asking rhetorical questions, so the
problem is you, according to that evidence.

what you meant by she is misappropriating the language?

How is that question to you not a request that you elaborate? You mean I had to use the specific magic words "please elaborate"?

Again, you aren't as clear as you think you are. I asked that you elaborate in so many words and you turned hostile.

Feels like you aren't built for debate or having your ideas challenged. Which is a problem because what's obvious to you isn't obvious to others. I don't think your ideas hold up to scrutiny. I mean let's look at this.




>(1)My reply to isisbabyboy was about why her own
>writing can easily be indistinguishable from a
>white hipster appropriating the culture.

Give me one example of white hipster writers who write black women characters who use the n word and talk about sex the way the black women on Insecure do?

I know of no other show that does this and my position is that only s black women writer could get away with it. But that isn't the main point and is never here nor there. I would be impressed if you could back that assertion though.

>(1a)It's not about whether "young black educated
>professionals" talk like that or not.
>If you need that broken down further, feel free to
>ask "Could you elaborate on this, please" as to
>facilitate respectful dialogue.

To me its all about whether this is an accurate depiction about how young black professional women speak because if its accurate than I can't knock it. Granted, I can see the argument that it doesn't matter if its accurate it's still counter-productive. I get that argument. I just don't agree with it. But I don't know if that's your point so I will ask you. If it's not about whether it's accurate then what is it about? PLEASE ELABORATE?



>
>>Because she is the daughter of immigrants? Because she went
>>to white schools and was made fun for speaking white?
>Because
>>the white establishment likes her?
>
>These are insincere questions just like the first one
>you asked.

I can only say they are not insincere questions. I really don't know what the fuzz you are talking about and I asked pointed basic questions to try to get to the core of your argument. It was not clear from your post whether you were making an Immigrant versus Descendent of Chattel Slavery argument or a privileged versus non-privleged argument, or a black person who grew up in a prodominately white space versus someone who grew up around black people or a safe negro versus authentic voice argument because you threw all that shit in there. I was trying to tease out your core argument.


However, (2)not being a descendant of chattel
>slaves who are owed reparations from America tends to
>make one ill-equipped to be the voice of those who are.

So this is your point. Ok, easy enough to understand. I generally disagree with it but there is no need to get into that argument because there is the basic question of:

When did Issa Rae ever attempt to be the voice of the descendants of chattel slaves? Why would we assume that her character is based on someone other than herself? Shit her character is named ISSA?!?!?




>If you disagree with that, we should agree to disagree
>civilly, before you become hostile as you often do when
>addressing me.
>My patience for that is NOT infinite.
>Again if you disagree with point 2, going into the
>particulars of that discussion is a conversation for a
>whole different thread.
>
>
>>I am not the only one who wasn't clear on your argument.
>>Tariqhu had to guess what you meant and it appears he didn't
>>get whatever the heck you meant either.
>>
>
>
>Tarighu actually pretty much understood what I was
>saying in a subject line better than you have after
>typing more and asking rhetorical questions, so the
>problem is you, according to that evidence.
>
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>I am the one who is hostile and emotional because I asked you
>what you meant by she is misappropriating the language?


No, because you consistently begin statements with
"What the fuck" or say stuff like "whatever the
heck you mean." These statements signal emotion
and hostility, as they're extra typing that only
serves to express emotion... not for clarity, emphasis,
or anything positive. If you can't find better ways
to say these things, you really don't care to.
Nothing I've said to you is hostile at all.
You just read it that way, because I don't agree
with you. This is very consistent with you.



>Feels like you aren't built for debate or having your ideas
>challenged.


That's a projection on your part. I do this very well
on here with respectful people. You're just one of like
5 people who can't seem to approach me with respect
consistently. You were respectful despite our strong
disagreement in the Black Male Privilege post, but that's
rare for you... so rare that I've decided to call you on
it every time you start leading in the direction of total
meltdown.


>Which is a problem because what's obvious to you
>isn't obvious to others.


I've definitely gathered that, but hey, people say I
type too much on one hand, but when I have faith in
yall's ability to connect the dots on your own, then
it comes to this.


>>(1)My reply to isisbabyboy was about why her own
>>writing can easily be indistinguishable from a
>>white hipster appropriating the culture.
>
>Give me one example of white hipster writers who write black
>women characters who use the n word and talk about sex the way
>the black women on Insecure do?
>
>I know of no other show that does this and my position is that
>only s black women writer could get away with it. But that
>isn't the main point and is never here nor there. I would be
>impressed if you could back that assertion though.
>
>>(1a)It's not about whether "young black educated
>>professionals" talk like that or not.
>>If you need that broken down further, feel free to
>>ask "Could you elaborate on this, please" as to
>>facilitate respectful dialogue.
>
>To me its all about whether this is an accurate depiction
>about how young black professional women speak because if its
>accurate than I can't knock it. Granted, I can see the
>argument that it doesn't matter if its accurate it's still
>counter-productive. I get that argument. I just don't agree
>with it. But I don't know if that's your point so I will ask
>you. If it's not about whether it's accurate then what is it
>about? PLEASE ELABORATE?



I can answer both of those at once.
The main point wasn't about specific writers. It's about
plausible reasons why someone may get appropriator vibes
from her presentation. This particular argument is about
why some might "feel" a certain way about things, so those
reasons are the only quantifiable things here.
(I'll take the blame for your response here, because I
said "indistinguishable from" in 300, when INITIALLY
in 271, I said "It's also understandable that you'd
feel like this was written by someone outside of our culture."
271 is more accurate.)
What this *isn't* about is whether or not Black people
"talk like that." I'll go further into this below, signaled
by an asterisk (*).
As for elaboration, I'll use an example of an interview
where I heard her speaking. Kofi Siriboe expressed romantic
interest in her. She replied that he was young so he had
many more years of "fuck nigga shit to accomplish."
Alotta people asked why she'd say something like that
about the brother with no evidence or knowledge of his past.
This is how the language of appropriators often shows up.
They're not expressing their feelings, per se, but their
desire to use certain phrases... so the stuff they say
sounds unwarranted or just "off" so to speak.
*Notice here that yes, Black people do "talk like that"
in that they use the term "fuck nigga shit," but something's
just off about the way she applied it and why.
You may or may not see what I see there, but we've
already established that what's obvious to me isn't
obvious to everyone. I'm just not so sure there's a
clearer way to speak on vibes and feelings as is being
done in this discussion.



>>>Because she is the daughter of immigrants? Because she
>went
>>>to white schools and was made fun for speaking white?
>>Because
>>>the white establishment likes her?
>>
>>These are insincere questions just like the first one
>>you asked.
>
>I can only say they are not insincere questions. I really
>don't know what the fuzz you are talking about and I asked
>pointed basic questions to try to get to the core of your
>argument. It was not clear from your post whether you were
>making an Immigrant versus Descendent of Chattel Slavery
>argument or a privileged versus non-privleged argument, or a
>black person who grew up in a prodominately white space versus
>someone who grew up around black people or a safe negro versus
>authentic voice argument because you threw all that shit in
>there. I was trying to tease out your core argument.



All of those things together lead to the final point
that they lend themselves to why her voice may sound
like that of an appropriator.



>However, (2)not being a descendant of chattel
>>slaves who are owed reparations from America tends to
>>make one ill-equipped to be the voice of those who are.
>
>So this is your point. Ok, easy enough to understand. I
>generally disagree with it but there is no need to get into
>that argument because there is the basic question of:
>
>When did Issa Rae ever attempt to be the voice of the
>descendants of chattel slaves? Why would we assume that her
>character is based on someone other than herself? Shit her
>character is named ISSA?!?!?


She writes for the entire show, so unless none of the
Black people on the show are descendants of chattel
slaves, then she's the voice of descendants of chattel
slaves.

This time around I will keep it short.

>>I am the one who is hostile and emotional because I asked
>you
>>what you meant by she is misappropriating the language?
>
>
>No, because you consistently begin statements with
>"What the fuck" or say stuff like "whatever the
>heck you mean."

Yeah but I didn't start this discussion with WTF so what's with your next few sentences?



These statements signal emotion
>and hostility, as they're extra typing that only
>serves to express emotion... not for clarity, emphasis,
>or anything positive. If you can't find better ways
>to say these things, you really don't care to.
>Nothing I've said to you is hostile at all.
>You just read it that way, because I don't agree
>with you. This is very consistent with you.

Post #293 isn't hostile? It's really your contention I started the hostilities by asking a question (to get you to elaborate) and you respnded by talking about my maturity and capability to have a thoughtful discussion?!!?!?


. nstance. I started wi



>
>
>
>>Feels like you aren't built for debate or having your ideas
>>challenged.
>
>
>That's a projection on your part. I do this very well
>on here with respectful people. You're just one of like
>5 people who can't seem to approach me with respect
>consistently. You were respectful despite our strong
>disagreement in the Black Male Privilege post, but that's
>rare for you... so rare that I've decided to call you on
>it every time you start leading in the direction of total
>meltdown.

I swear I don't come at you just to troll you (or anyone else). I try not to let grudges carry over from older post. I think I am usually beefing with you because of your condescending blacker than thou posting style at times.


>
>
>>Which is a problem because what's obvious to you
>>isn't obvious to others.
>
>
>I've definitely gathered that, but hey, people say I
>type too much on one hand, but when I have faith in
>yall's ability to connect the dots on your own, then
>it comes to this.
>
>
>>>(1)My reply to isisbabyboy was about why her own
>>>writing can easily be indistinguishable from a
>>>white hipster appropriating the culture.
>>
>>Give me one example of white hipster writers who write black
>>women characters who use the n word and talk about sex the
>way
>>the black women on Insecure do?
>>
>>I know of no other show that does this and my position is
>that
>>only s black women writer could get away with it. But that
>>isn't the main point and is never here nor there. I would
>be
>>impressed if you could back that assertion though.
>>
>>>(1a)It's not about whether "young black educated
>>>professionals" talk like that or not.
>>>If you need that broken down further, feel free to
>>>ask "Could you elaborate on this, please" as to
>>>facilitate respectful dialogue.
>>
>>To me its all about whether this is an accurate depiction
>>about how young black professional women speak because if
>its
>>accurate than I can't knock it. Granted, I can see the
>>argument that it doesn't matter if its accurate it's still
>>counter-productive. I get that argument. I just don't agree
>>with it. But I don't know if that's your point so I will ask
>>you. If it's not about whether it's accurate then what is
>it
>>about? PLEASE ELABORATE?
>
>
>
>I can answer both of those at once.
>The main point wasn't about specific writers. It's about
>plausible reasons why someone may get appropriator vibes
>from her presentation. This particular argument is about
>why some might "feel" a certain way about things, so those
>reasons are the only quantifiable things here.
>(I'll take the blame for your response here, because I
>said "indistinguishable from" in 300, when INITIALLY
>in 271, I said "It's also understandable that you'd
>feel like this was written by someone outside of our
>culture."
>271 is more accurate.)
>What this *isn't* about is whether or not Black people
>"talk like that." I'll go further into this below, signaled
>by an asterisk (*).


I never saw another asterisk. Feel like I am missing something.


>As for elaboration, I'll use an example of an interview
>where I heard her speaking. Kofi Siriboe expressed romantic
>interest in her. She replied that he was young so he had
>many more years of "fuck nigga shit to accomplish."
>Alotta people asked why she'd say something like that
>about the brother with no evidence or knowledge of his past.

As an older dude, I interpret this another way. She is a 32 year old woman talking about a 23 year old hollywood dude trying to get at her on IG. She is also a person in comedy. Without knowing the whole quote and context, it seems to me be saying dude is too young for her to consider seriously romantically. It's not that hard.




>This is how the language of appropriators often shows up.
>They're not expressing their feelings, per se, but their
>desire to use certain phrases... so the stuff they say
>sounds unwarranted or just "off" so to speak.

This is the bullshit in my opinion. You have no idea whether she expressing her feelings. You aren't in her head. This is all your subjective take on her based on "vibes" and feeling "off". What I think all this "off" and "vibes" talk boils down to a subjective determination that she is not "black" like you so she really isn't authentically black. I think that's bullshit.



>*Notice here that yes, Black people do "talk like that"
>in that they use the term "fuck nigga shit," but something's
>just off about the way she applied it and why.
>You may or may not see what I see there, but we've
>already established that what's obvious to me isn't
>obvious to everyone.

Right. We see two different things here but why is your take more true than anyone else?

Thing is I know alot of black women like Issa and was just discussing with the homey that she reminds me of every woman I went to college with. Because she seems so familiar, I feel like I get where she is coming from. Wat's your basis for knowing that she isn't expressing an authentic feeling?

I'm just not so sure there's a
>clearer way to speak on vibes and feelings as is being
>done in this discussion.
>
>
>
>>>>Because she is the daughter of immigrants? Because she
>>went
>>>>to white schools and was made fun for speaking white?
>>>Because
>>>>the white establishment likes her?
>>>
>>>These are insincere questions just like the first one
>>>you asked.
>>
>>I can only say they are not insincere questions. I really
>>don't know what the fuzz you are talking about and I asked
>>pointed basic questions to try to get to the core of your
>>argument. It was not clear from your post whether you were
>>making an Immigrant versus Descendent of Chattel Slavery
>>argument or a privileged versus non-privleged argument, or a
>>black person who grew up in a prodominately white space
>versus
>>someone who grew up around black people or a safe negro
>versus
>>authentic voice argument because you threw all that shit in
>>there. I was trying to tease out your core argument.
>
>
>
>All of those things together lead to the final point
>that they lend themselves to why her voice may sound
>like that of an appropriator.
>
>
>
>>However, (2)not being a descendant of chattel
>>>slaves who are owed reparations from America tends to
>>>make one ill-equipped to be the voice of those who are.
>>
>>So this is your point. Ok, easy enough to understand. I
>>generally disagree with it but there is no need to get into
>>that argument because there is the basic question of:
>>
>>When did Issa Rae ever attempt to be the voice of the
>>descendants of chattel slaves? Why would we assume that her
>>character is based on someone other than herself? Shit her
>>character is named ISSA?!?!?
>
>
>She writes for the entire show, so unless none of the
>Black people on the show are descendants of chattel
>slaves, then she's the voice of descendants of chattel
>slaves.


Yeah I think the idea that a black person who was is the descendant of immigrants is ill-equipped to write for characters who are the descendants of slaves is nonsense. Maybe if they were writing stories that directly implicated their slavery roots maybe. Issa might not be the best person to write fiction about visiting the plantation of some fictional ancestors. But writing about young black people in LA? That's easily her lane.





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>>No, because you consistently begin statements with
>>"What the fuck" or say stuff like "whatever the
>>heck you mean."
>
>Yeah but I didn't start this discussion with WTF so what's
>with your next few sentences?


You've done so pretty often in reference to me.
And you did say "whatever the heck you're talking
about" which I find almost equally offensive.
According to you, I'm always speaking "nonsense"
(at least you only reply to me when you feel that way,
because you've never replied to me to cosign anything),
so if I'm really this "blacker than thou" individual
who speaks nothing but nonsense, there's no need to
even acknowledge me. Notice I've ignored you a lot
recently, because I've determined that you aren't worth
replying to in most cases. You can't hide your hatred
of my so-called "blacker than thou posting style" most
of the time enough to even acknowledge that I'm
making good points even when you can see them.





>Post #293 isn't hostile?




Let's let your next statement help explain why it's not...




>I swear I don't come at you just to troll you
>(or anyone else). I try not to let grudges carry
>over from older post. I think I am usually beefing
>with you because of your condescending blacker than
>thou posting style at times.


This is completely untrue. After that post about Oprah
and Rae Dawn Chong, you started coming at me in other
posts, bringing that up. You did the same thing after
the post about the young brother clowning the white woman
with the walkman. So 293 was just letting you know I
wasn't for the BS.
As for this "blacker than thou posting style" you always
say this ridiculous statement about me, it makes absolutely
no sense, as I've never said I was "blacker" than you or
anyone else. I've never even indicated as much. So this is something you're creating in your own head for a reason
that you obviously have trouble articulating. I suspect
that this is because if you were really honest about why
you dislike me, it would make you look foolish.




>I never saw another asterisk. Feel like I am missing
>something.







There's one there, right before I said
"Notice here that yes, Black people do "talk like that"





>>As for elaboration, I'll use an example of an interview
>>where I heard her speaking. Kofi Siriboe expressed romantic
>>interest in her. She replied that he was young so he had
>>many more years of "fuck nigga shit to accomplish."
>>Alotta people asked why she'd say something like that
>>about the brother with no evidence or knowledge of his past.
>
>As an older dude, I interpret this another way. She is a 32
>year old woman talking about a 23 year old hollywood dude
>trying to get at her on IG. She is also a person in comedy.
>Without knowing the whole quote and context, it seems to me be
>saying dude is too young for her to consider seriously
>romantically. It's not that hard.



I don't disagree that she's simply saying he's too
young for her (hence "per se" in my comment on it).
She could've easily said it w/o the "fuck nigga"
comment tho... unless she doesn't realize how offensive
a statement that is... which is the kind of thing that
happens when people are speaking a second language.
Like I said, I was far from the only person questioning
why she expressed it that way. You think it was
comedic license? Cool. We disagree.
Here's the clip tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVtBDAcE1zQ
No need to try and convince me of what you think about
it. Disagreement is not the end of the world for me, sir.




>>This is how the language of appropriators often shows up.
>>They're not expressing their feelings, per se, but their
>>desire to use certain phrases... so the stuff they say
>>sounds unwarranted or just "off" so to speak.
>
>This is the bullshit in my opinion. You have no idea whether
>she expressing her feelings. You aren't in her head. This is
>all your subjective take on her based on "vibes" and feeling
>"off". What I think all this "off" and "vibes" talk boils
>down to a subjective determination that she is not "black"
>like you so she really isn't authentically black. I think
>that's bullshit.



That's fine. I realize this is a public message board,
but you have to realize that I was offering my thoughts
to someone else who said they already DO feel like
something's off. So the possible explanation was never
for you in the first place. It's a "take it or leave it"
situation even for the person I offered it to, so I'm
definitely not trying to convince you.

And please stop with the flat out lie that I don't
think she's "authentically black" simply because she
isn't a descendant of chattel slaves. That's actually
you who thinks the "authenticity" of her blackness is
dependent upon the way she speaks. I don't think anything so
ridiculous. The only thing that can be accurately stated
along those lines is that I've said she's not a descendant
of chattel slaves. America owes me reparations... not her.
These are just facts.
Remember, all those "not black enough" statements were
quotes from Issa herself, so they tell us how she grew up
viewing the world and give some insight into how she
developed as a person and even how she could still view
the world. She learned to fit in with descendants of
chattel slaves. She developed speaking a whole different
language and then adopted the language she's writing.
*She's literally writing in her second language.*
The authenticity of her presentation doesn't determine
the authenticity of her blackness. That's YOUR idea of blackness
(hell even her statements that I quoted suggest she was
talking about a TYPE of blackness, so authenticity is a
whole different philosophical conversation to be had)
so I'm asking for the last time that you stop projecting
that onto me. I don't know who told you that you weren't
Black in the past, but it wasn't me. If anything, I've
told you that it's something you can't escape.





>Right. We see two different things here but why is your take
>more true than anyone else?



I'm not sure why you leveled this "more true than anyone
else" charge. It's my view. I wouldn't be saying what
I'm saying if I felt like it wasn't true. At the same
time, you said what's obvious to me isn't obvious to
everyone else. Although I am kinda used to seeing things
and others seeing them a few years later.
At the same time, I don't imagine you feel like your
accusations and statements are less true or even
"equally true" as what I'm saying.
You feel you're speaking truth just like I do.




>Thing is I know alot of black women like Issa and was
>just discussing with the homey that she reminds me of
>every woman I went to college with. Because she seems
>so familiar, I feel like I get where she is coming from.
>Wat's your basis for knowing that she isn't expressing
>an authentic feeling?



I didn't say she wasn't expressing an authentic feeling.
This was the point of the term "per se." Again, it was
the way she expressed it.
As for her reminding you of every woman you went to
college with, that's cool. Maybe I see something you
don't see. You've said your wife's story is similiar
to Issa's, so this was immediately personal for you.
You and I see things completely differently as evidenced
by some past posts. I'm not gonna rehash things that
make that very evident, as it could be read as me
trying to attack you personally. It's just ok if we
see things differently. I'm just gonna ask that you
accept that and KIM without the "blacker than thou"
accusations now and in the future when we do, because
again, my patience for that is not infinite... especially
without significant substantiation of the claim.


>Yeah I think the idea that a black person who was is the
>descendant of immigrants is ill-equipped to write for
>characters who are the descendants of slaves is nonsense.
>Maybe if they were writing stories that directly implicated
>their slavery roots maybe. Issa might not be the best person
>to write fiction about visiting the plantation of some
>fictional ancestors. But writing about young black people in
>LA? That's easily her lane.


It's fine that you disagree. There's much more to being
descendants of slaves than visiting plantations.
Generational trauma, PTSS, just for starters. But if these
things don't matter to you, or you don't see how they would
influence the writing of characters and how they're presented
and interpreted by a writer, then that's cool, because my
initial information wasn't for you. It was for someone who
already sees it.

>>>No, because you consistently begin statements with
>>>"What the fuck" or say stuff like "whatever the
>>>heck you mean."
>>
>>Yeah but I didn't start this discussion with WTF so what's
>>with your next few sentences?
>
>
>You've done so pretty often in reference to me.
>And you did say "whatever the heck you're talking
>about" which I find almost equally offensive.


But that only occurred after you started hostilities in this post in post #293. My only point is that in this post, you started the hostilities, not me. Not sure how you can disagree with that when there is the full record of our exchange here. Can you give me that point?


>According to you, I'm always speaking "nonsense"
>(at least you only reply to me when you feel that way,
>because you've never replied to me to cosign anything),

I don't recall saying that. Not impossible that I did but to me it doesn't sound like something I would say. If you got receipts please share them.


>so if I'm really this "blacker than thou" individual
>who speaks nothing but nonsense, there's no need to
>even acknowledge me. Notice I've ignored you a lot
>recently, because I've determined that you aren't worth
>replying to in most cases. You can't hide your hatred
>of my so-called "blacker than thou posting style" most
>of the time enough to even acknowledge that I'm
>making good points even when you can see them.

It's not hatred bro. You'd have to do alot more to earn my hatred. But I will make a point of co-signing your good points next time I see it, to help prove it isn't personal.

>
>
>
>
>>Post #293 isn't hostile?
>
>
>
>
>Let's let your next statement help explain why it's not...
>
>
>
>
>>I swear I don't come at you just to troll you
>>(or anyone else). I try not to let grudges carry
>>over from older post. I think I am usually beefing
>>with you because of your condescending blacker than
>>thou posting style at times.
>
>
>This is completely untrue. After that post about Oprah
>and Rae Dawn Chong, you started coming at me in other
>posts, bringing that up. You did the same thing after
>the post about the young brother clowning the white woman
>with the walkman. So 293 was just letting you know I
>wasn't for the BS.

fair point. You are right. Thanks for reminded me I wil bring up old shit to prove a point. The point I was trying to make is I won't come at someone for no reason because of prior beef. But if I feel like you are getting on a soap box talking down to folks I will drugged old shit to show that what I think is just a lot of tough talk.



>As for this "blacker than thou posting style" you always
>say this ridiculous statement about me, it makes absolutely
>no sense, as I've never said I was "blacker" than you or
>anyone else. I've never even indicated as much. So this is
>something you're creating in your own head for a reason
>that you obviously have trouble articulating. I suspect
>that this is because if you were really honest about why
>you dislike me, it would make you look foolish.
>

I don't know you well enough to dislike you. I just dislike shit you say. Like what follows:

>
>>I never saw another asterisk. Feel like I am missing
>>something.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>There's one there, right before I said
>"Notice here that yes, Black people do "talk like that"
>

Ah, missed that.

>
>
>
>
>>>As for elaboration, I'll use an example of an interview
>>>where I heard her speaking. Kofi Siriboe expressed
>romantic
>>>interest in her. She replied that he was young so he had
>>>many more years of "fuck nigga shit to accomplish."
>>>Alotta people asked why she'd say something like that
>>>about the brother with no evidence or knowledge of his
>past.
>>
>>As an older dude, I interpret this another way. She is a 32
>>year old woman talking about a 23 year old hollywood dude
>>trying to get at her on IG. She is also a person in comedy.
>
>>Without knowing the whole quote and context, it seems to me
>be
>>saying dude is too young for her to consider seriously
>>romantically. It's not that hard.
>
>
>
>I don't disagree that she's simply saying he's too
>young for her (hence "per se" in my comment on it).
>She could've easily said it w/o the "fuck nigga"
>comment tho... unless she doesn't realize how offensive
>a statement that is... which is the kind of thing that
>happens when people are speaking a second language.
>Like I said, I was far from the only person questioning
>why she expressed it that way. You think it was
>comedic license? Cool. We disagree.
>Here's the clip tho:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVtBDAcE1zQ
>No need to try and convince me of what you think about
>it. Disagreement is not the end of the world for me, sir.

Man they were all jokes, everyone laughing the whole time and she was otherwise very complimentary of dude. It's not a diss of him IMHOP. It's an acknowledgement of what dudes that age have to go through. Of course there will be people who were offended by it. The internet is filled with people offended by everything. The only thing relevant question is was he offended? Sounds like the answer is no since they have since met up.




>
>
>
>>>This is how the language of appropriators often shows up.
>>>They're not expressing their feelings, per se, but their
>>>desire to use certain phrases... so the stuff they say
>>>sounds unwarranted or just "off" so to speak.
>>
>>This is the bullshit in my opinion. You have no idea
>whether
>>she expressing her feelings. You aren't in her head. This
>is
>>all your subjective take on her based on "vibes" and feeling
>>"off". What I think all this "off" and "vibes" talk boils
>>down to a subjective determination that she is not "black"
>>like you so she really isn't authentically black. I think
>>that's bullshit.
>
>
>
>That's fine. I realize this is a public message board,
>but you have to realize that I was offering my thoughts
>to someone else who said they already DO feel like
>something's off. So the possible explanation was never
>for you in the first place. It's a "take it or leave it"
>situation even for the person I offered it to, so I'm
>definitely not trying to convince you.



ok.


>
>And please stop with the flat out lie that I don't
>think she's "authentically black" simply because she
>isn't a descendant of chattel slaves. That's actually
>you who thinks the "authenticity" of her blackness is
>dependent upon the way she speaks. I don't think anything so
>ridiculous. The only thing that can be accurately stated
>along those lines is that I've said she's not a descendant
>of chattel slaves. America owes me reparations... not her.
>These are just facts.




>Remember, all those "not black enough" statements were
>quotes from Issa herself, so they tell us how she grew up
>viewing the world and give some insight into how she
>developed as a person and even how she could still view
>the world.


No. Those statements tell us how she was viewed. Compare that to the similar conversation with jessica Williams which tells us how Jessica Williams views the world. Anyway, I don't have the whole quotes so I don't have context but what you provided expresses how she was viewed. Not how she views the world.



She learned to fit in with descendants of
>chattel slaves. She developed speaking a whole different
>language and then adopted the language she's writing.
>*She's literally writing in her second language.*


This is what I find silly. The idea of a black girl misappropriating the language of black people. It's the language of her people. She can't misappropriate it. This is why I also get into the authenticity question because the idea of someone misappropriating how black people speak definitely implies they are less than black. You've cleared up that you do not mean to imply that she is less than black so that's off the table.


Anyway, I think we have gotten to the core of the issue and here is my MOST IMPROTANT POINT IN THIS EXCHANGE:

While there can be distinct differences between the cultures of black immigrant families and black american families, there is also tremendous overlap between the two, especially when it comes to how the descendants of these two groups experience the world and talk. Specifically, there is no discernable way to tell whether a young black person is the descendant of black immigrants ("DBI" going forward) or the descendants of chattel slavery ("DCS" going forward) based on their use of the N word or black slang (also , please clarify, are you saying phrases like "fuck nigga" is DCS slang?).

Was Biggie Smalls or Busta Rhymes use of black slang misappropiation because they are DBI?

Now, I think you would have had a much better argument which I would partially actually agree with if you argued that she was "misappropriating" the language of certain type of black people because she grew up around white people, was from a privileged background and learned later to appropriate a certain type of "street" (for lack of a better term) language. I thought that is where you were going with it hence my initial question to you.

That I get and have seen first hand. Fancy ass kids who try extra hard to sound down and over do it. That would make sense to me. Which is really the source of my original question I think.


But you made the distinction on language based on whether the black person is DCS or DBI. I don't see how whether someone is entitled to reparations has any bearing on their use of the n word. That I would love an elaboration on.



>The authenticity of her presentation doesn't determine
>the authenticity of her blackness. That's YOUR idea of
>blackness
>(hell even her statements that I quoted suggest she was
>talking about a TYPE of blackness, so authenticity is a
>whole different philosophical conversation to be had)
>so I'm asking for the last time that you stop projecting
>that onto me. I don't know who told you that you weren't
>Black in the past, but it wasn't me. If anything, I've
>told you that it's something you can't escape.
>

Mayne ain't nobody quesitoning my blackness. And I am sure in your mind it took you to school me that I can't escape (as if I would want to) my blackness. SMH.

>
>
>
>
>>Right. We see two different things here but why is your
>take
>>more true than anyone else?
>
>
>
>I'm not sure why you leveled this "more true than anyone
>else" charge. It's my view. I wouldn't be saying what
>I'm saying if I felt like it wasn't true. At the same
>time, you said what's obvious to me isn't obvious to
>everyone else. Although I am kinda used to seeing things
>and others seeing them a few years later.
>At the same time, I don't imagine you feel like your
>accusations and statements are less true or even
>"equally true" as what I'm saying.
>You feel you're speaking truth just like I do.
>

ok.



>
>
>>Thing is I know alot of black women like Issa and was
>>just discussing with the homey that she reminds me of
>>every woman I went to college with. Because she seems
>>so familiar, I feel like I get where she is coming from.
>>Wat's your basis for knowing that she isn't expressing
>>an authentic feeling?
>
>
>
>I didn't say she wasn't expressing an authentic feeling.
>This was the point of the term "per se." Again, it was
>the way she expressed it.
>As for her reminding you of every woman you went to
>college with, that's cool. Maybe I see something you
>don't see. You've said your wife's story is similiar
>to Issa's, so this was immediately personal for you.

I don't think I ever said that. They share in common both being DBI but my wife's experience sounds like the opposite of Issa. She grow up mostly in a non-white environment and only got surrounded by white folks when she got much older.


>You and I see things completely differently as evidenced
>by some past posts. I'm not gonna rehash things that
>make that very evident, as it could be read as me
>trying to attack you personally. It's just ok if we
>see things differently. I'm just gonna ask that you
>accept that and KIM without the "blacker than thou"
>accusations now and in the future when we do, because
>again, my patience for that is not infinite... especially
>without significant substantiation of the claim.

Again it's not personal. If I see anyone making an obnoxious or condenscending post, something in me can't help but try to clown or get at them.

>
>>Yeah I think the idea that a black person who was is the
>>descendant of immigrants is ill-equipped to write for
>>characters who are the descendants of slaves is nonsense.
>>Maybe if they were writing stories that directly implicated
>>their slavery roots maybe. Issa might not be the best
>person
>>to write fiction about visiting the plantation of some
>>fictional ancestors. But writing about young black people
>in
>>LA? That's easily her lane.
>
>
>It's fine that you disagree. There's much more to being
>descendants of slaves than visiting plantations.
>Generational trauma, PTSS, just for starters. But if these
>things don't matter to you, or you don't see how they would
>influence the writing of characters and how they're presented
>and interpreted by a writer, then that's cool, because my
>initial information wasn't for you. It was for someone who
>already sees it.
>

Yeah this is a point we disagree with. I think there is not a lot of difference between the way DBI and DCS experience the world (To clarify, I do think First Generation Black Immigrants definitely experience the US different from DCS, but once you are born here, that experience is indiscernible). And I based that opinion on having spent much time in both types of households and having a mix of friends from both backgrounds.









**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>>You've done so pretty often in reference to me.
>>And you did say "whatever the heck you're talking
>>about" which I find almost equally offensive.
>
>
>But that only occurred after you started hostilities in this
>post in post #293. My only point is that in this post, you
>started the hostilities, not me. Not sure how you can
>disagree with that when there is the full record of our
>exchange here. Can you give me that point?


I just felt it necessary given our past.
Hostility wasn't the intention, but it was
firm on purpose no doubt.


>>According to you, I'm always speaking "nonsense"
>>(at least you only reply to me when you feel that way,
>>because you've never replied to me to cosign anything),
>
>I don't recall saying that. Not impossible that I did but to
>me it doesn't sound like something I would say. If you got
>receipts please share them.


I say that based on the way you usually respond
to my posts and the fact that you've referred
to my words as "nonsense" within this conversation.



>>so if I'm really this "blacker than thou" individual
>>who speaks nothing but nonsense, there's no need to
>>even acknowledge me. Notice I've ignored you a lot
>>recently, because I've determined that you aren't worth
>>replying to in most cases. You can't hide your hatred
>>of my so-called "blacker than thou posting style" most
>>of the time enough to even acknowledge that I'm
>>making good points even when you can see them.
>
>It's not hatred bro. You'd have to do alot more to earn my
>hatred. But I will make a point of co-signing your good
>points next time I see it, to help prove it isn't personal.



Well, just in the name of accuracy, I said you hated
my posting style, not me.




>>>Post #293 isn't hostile?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Let's let your next statement help explain why it's not...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I swear I don't come at you just to troll you
>>>(or anyone else). I try not to let grudges carry
>>>over from older post. I think I am usually beefing
>>>with you because of your condescending blacker than
>>>thou posting style at times.
>>
>>
>>This is completely untrue. After that post about Oprah
>>and Rae Dawn Chong, you started coming at me in other
>>posts, bringing that up. You did the same thing after
>>the post about the young brother clowning the white woman
>>with the walkman. So 293 was just letting you know I
>>wasn't for the BS.
>
>fair point. You are right. Thanks for reminded me I wil
>bring up old shit to prove a point. The point I was trying to
>make is I won't come at someone for no reason because of prior
>beef. But if I feel like you are getting on a soap box
>talking down to folks I will drugged old shit to show that
>what I think is just a lot of tough talk.



Well here's the thing. I try to let my arguments
stand on their own without resorting to that, because
I feel like if an argument is good, it should be
able to stand without a personal attack. Remember,
I do think you've said some key things that help to
put most of your positions into context... this one
included. It's just too easy for that "ain't you
the same dude who said" stuff to get messy really
fast, especially when the discussion being rehashed
was already interpreted differently by both parties.
In a nutshell, that works both ways. Beyond that,
I never understood the "tough talk" accusation, I've
never claimed to be Billy Badass. I do, however,
speak with quite a bit of conviction. I'm self-aware
enough to realize I've been condescending before tho.
All I can do is try to do better.




>>Remember, all those "not black enough" statements were
>>quotes from Issa herself, so they tell us how she grew up
>>viewing the world and give some insight into how she
>>developed as a person and even how she could still view
>>the world.
>
>
>No. Those statements tell us how she was viewed. Compare
>that to the similar conversation with jessica Williams which
>tells us how Jessica Williams views the world. Anyway, I
>don't have the whole quotes so I don't have context but what
>you provided expresses how she was viewed. Not how she views
>the world.




As for those statements telling us how she was viewed VS
how she views the world, I think a person's experiences
and how they are viewed shape how they view the world
at least to some extent. She calls herself the "awkward
black girl"... awkwardness stems from self-concept, which
is shaped by how others view you. It's a social concept.
People like Jessica Williams are why I said
Tarighu got it right "for the most part," because
DCS can be raised around white folks and feel disconnected
from the "Black community" and come off like a perpetrator
as well. I just think having immigrant parents can very
easily add to that, as it's a higher chance your parents
won't have positive feelings or things to say about
American Black folks whether directly or indirectly.
That's definitely something I've seen from personal
experience and heard from friends with immigrant parents
and friends who married DBI.




>She learned to fit in with descendants of
>>chattel slaves. She developed speaking a whole different
>>language and then adopted the language she's writing.
>>*She's literally writing in her second language.*
>
>
>This is what I find silly. The idea of a black girl
>misappropriating the language of black people. It's the
>language of her people.



You're right, but only because you didn't capitalize
the second "B" to indicate DCS.
People on both sides would disagree that DCS and
DBI are people. I'd say we are, but I'd also say there are
some very important differences that make it a nuanced
conversation. It just depends on your view. Mine isn't
cut and dry.



>
>Anyway, I think we have gotten to the core of the issue and
>here is my MOST IMPROTANT POINT IN THIS EXCHANGE:
>
>While there can be distinct differences between the cultures
>of black immigrant families and black american families, there
>is also tremendous overlap between the two, especially when it
>comes to how the descendants of these two groups experience
>the world and talk. Specifically, there is no discernable way
>to tell whether a young black person is the descendant of
>black immigrants ("DBI" going forward) or the descendants of
>chattel slavery ("DCS" going forward) based on their use of
>the N word or black slang (also , please clarify, are you
>saying phrases like "fuck nigga" is DCS slang?).


Nah, I'm saying it's easy to misuse slang that you
adopt secondarily. I simply listed possible reasons that
work synergistically to create that situation for Issa.
It's like she didn't have consistent contact with ANY
DCS before junior high... not even her parents.
That kinda compounds what the situation would be for
a DCS at all PWI. I'm hoping that makes it clear why
I included that as part of my initial reply.
As for her saying "fuck nigga," it just sounded out
of place the way she used it imo... like the real live
"awkward black girl" trying to fit in. As far as it
being DCS slang, I'd guess that it did originate with us.
I'm not saying that the way she used it makes it obvious
that she's a DBI. I'm saying her being a DBI raised
around white people could have a lot to do with why
her use of it sounded off to me and others.
I agree there's overlap in how we experience the world.
As stated above, we're all non-white, and the system of
white supremacy determines how we experience the world,
so there will be similarities. But as I also stated
before, when it comes to how institutions and Hollywood
view DBI, it's different from how they view DCS due to
the potential "trouble" we cause with our demands/desire
to stand (or kneel) for a cause. The establishment
could be pretty sure Obama wasn't gonna fight for
reparations, for instance.
There are exceptions to this, because some DCS won't
challenge the system either, but we are simply viewed
differently on that basis. I mean, pay attention to how many
times in the media you're looking at an immigrant student
when some college brags about a black student. These
kinds of things are something I've been paying a lot of
attention to lately, but I digress. All that to say
our experience may sometimes boil down to us standing
for things that DBI would have no motivation to stand for.
Granted, many DCS don't stand for these things either due
to lack of desire, information or whatever, but I
personally can't relate to that... hence my perspective on this.




>Was Biggie Smalls or Busta Rhymes use of black slang
>misappropiation because they are DBI?




Not that I could tell. There's a difference in appropriation
and MISappropriation tho. As far as I know tho, both of them
were raised speaking the way they spoke. I'm not sure tho.
Thing is, I couldn't hear misappropriation from either and
don't know anyone else who could... unlike Issa's situation
with isisbabyboy and myself.



>Now, I think you would have had a much better argument which I
>would partially actually agree with if you argued that she was
>"misappropriating" the language of certain type of black
>people because she grew up around white people, was from a
>privileged background and learned later to appropriate a
>certain type of "street" (for lack of a better term) language.
>I thought that is where you were going with it hence my
>initial question to you.
>
>That I get and have seen first hand. Fancy ass kids who try
>extra hard to sound down and over do it. That would make
>sense to me. Which is really the source of my original
>question I think.
>
>
>But you made the distinction on language based on whether the
>black person is DCS or DBI. I don't see how whether someone
>is entitled to reparations has any bearing on their use of the
>n word. That I would love an elaboration on.



Well like I was saying above, being raised around white
folks is just part of it, and that's the part that makes
it possible for even a DCS to misappropriate. The
immigrant situation just adds another possible layer
of outsiderism and judgment.
Meaning, sometimes immigrants' attitudes about us aren't
the best, and the children are taught this directly or
indirectly. This isn't necessarily the *basis* of my
presentation... I just think it's all equally important.
Of course this isn't always the case, but it's possible.
I've seen it multiple times.



>>The authenticity of her presentation doesn't determine
>>the authenticity of her blackness. That's YOUR idea of
>>blackness
>>(hell even her statements that I quoted suggest she was
>>talking about a TYPE of blackness, so authenticity is a
>>whole different philosophical conversation to be had)
>>so I'm asking for the last time that you stop projecting
>>that onto me. I don't know who told you that you weren't
>>Black in the past, but it wasn't me. If anything, I've
>>told you that it's something you can't escape.
>>
>
>Mayne ain't nobody quesitoning my blackness. And I am sure in
>your mind it took you to school me that I can't escape (as if
>I would want to) my blackness. SMH.




That's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that I'd be
the last one to claim that your or anyone else's
blackness wasn't authentic. That concept does't make
sense to me. For example, I'd say something like
"Obama doesn't represent DCS" or even that he's black,
not Black... but I'd never say he's "not authentically black."
I'm much too specific to even think of blackness in those
terms.


>>I didn't say she wasn't expressing an authentic feeling.
>>This was the point of the term "per se." Again, it was
>>the way she expressed it.
>>As for her reminding you of every woman you went to
>>college with, that's cool. Maybe I see something you
>>don't see. You've said your wife's story is similiar
>>to Issa's, so this was immediately personal for you.
>
>I don't think I ever said that. They share in common both
>being DBI but my wife's experience sounds like the opposite of
>Issa. She grow up mostly in a non-white environment and only
>got surrounded by white folks when she got much older.



Ah ok. Then she was a bad comparison if those non-white
people were DCS, but I think we're clear on that now.



>>It's fine that you disagree. There's much more to being
>>descendants of slaves than visiting plantations.
>>Generational trauma, PTSS, just for starters. But if these
>>things don't matter to you, or you don't see how they would
>>influence the writing of characters and how they're
>presented
>>and interpreted by a writer, then that's cool, because my
>>initial information wasn't for you. It was for someone who
>>already sees it.
>>
>
>Yeah this is a point we disagree with. I think there is not a
>lot of difference between the way DBI and DCS experience the
>world (To clarify, I do think First Generation Black
>Immigrants definitely experience the US different from DCS,
>but once you are born here, that experience is indiscernible).
> And I based that opinion on having spent much time in both
>types of households and having a mix of friends from both
>backgrounds.


Respect.

In closing, I just wanna make it clear that I consider
all black people my people, because some people tend
to think this kind of conversation is divisive or
unnecessary, but I think we have to talk about the unique
claim that descendants of chattel slaves have in
America and how black immigrants can stand WITH us
and advocate for us if they wish to speak on our behalf.

>>>You've done so pretty often in reference to me.
>>>And you did say "whatever the heck you're talking
>>>about" which I find almost equally offensive.
>>
>>
>>But that only occurred after you started hostilities in this
>>post in post #293. My only point is that in this post, you
>>started the hostilities, not me. Not sure how you can
>>disagree with that when there is the full record of our
>>exchange here. Can you give me that point?
>
>
>I just felt it necessary given our past.
>Hostility wasn't the intention, but it was
>firm on purpose no doubt.


Fair enough.

>
>
>>>According to you, I'm always speaking "nonsense"
>>>(at least you only reply to me when you feel that way,
>>>because you've never replied to me to cosign anything),
>>
>>I don't recall saying that. Not impossible that I did but to
>>me it doesn't sound like something I would say. If you got
>>receipts please share them.
>
>
>I say that based on the way you usually respond
>to my posts and the fact that you've referred
>to my words as "nonsense" within this conversation.


ok

>
>
>
>>>so if I'm really this "blacker than thou" individual
>>>who speaks nothing but nonsense, there's no need to
>>>even acknowledge me. Notice I've ignored you a lot
>>>recently, because I've determined that you aren't worth
>>>replying to in most cases. You can't hide your hatred
>>>of my so-called "blacker than thou posting style" most
>>>of the time enough to even acknowledge that I'm
>>>making good points even when you can see them.
>>
>>It's not hatred bro. You'd have to do alot more to earn my
>>hatred. But I will make a point of co-signing your good
>>points next time I see it, to help prove it isn't personal.
>
>
>
>Well, just in the name of accuracy, I said you hated
>my posting style, not me.

ok

>
>
>
>
>>>>Post #293 isn't hostile?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Let's let your next statement help explain why it's not...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I swear I don't come at you just to troll you
>>>>(or anyone else). I try not to let grudges carry
>>>>over from older post. I think I am usually beefing
>>>>with you because of your condescending blacker than
>>>>thou posting style at times.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is completely untrue. After that post about Oprah
>>>and Rae Dawn Chong, you started coming at me in other
>>>posts, bringing that up. You did the same thing after
>>>the post about the young brother clowning the white woman
>>>with the walkman. So 293 was just letting you know I
>>>wasn't for the BS.
>>
>>fair point. You are right. Thanks for reminded me I wil
>>bring up old shit to prove a point. The point I was trying
>to
>>make is I won't come at someone for no reason because of
>prior
>>beef. But if I feel like you are getting on a soap box
>>talking down to folks I will drugged old shit to show that
>>what I think is just a lot of tough talk.
>
>
>
>Well here's the thing. I try to let my arguments
>stand on their own without resorting to that, because
>I feel like if an argument is good, it should be
>able to stand without a personal attack. Remember,
>I do think you've said some key things that help to
>put most of your positions into context... this one
>included. It's just too easy for that "ain't you
>the same dude who said" stuff to get messy really
>fast, especially when the discussion being rehashed
>was already interpreted differently by both parties.
>In a nutshell, that works both ways. Beyond that,
>I never understood the "tough talk" accusation, I've
>never claimed to be Billy Badass. I do, however,
>speak with quite a bit of conviction. I'm self-aware
>enough to realize I've been condescending before tho.
>All I can do is try to do better.


Ok. I pledge to try for the clean slate. I won't bring up old shit.


>
>
>
>
>>>Remember, all those "not black enough" statements were
>>>quotes from Issa herself, so they tell us how she grew up
>>>viewing the world and give some insight into how she
>>>developed as a person and even how she could still view
>>>the world.
>>
>>
>>No. Those statements tell us how she was viewed. Compare
>>that to the similar conversation with jessica Williams which
>>tells us how Jessica Williams views the world. Anyway, I
>>don't have the whole quotes so I don't have context but what
>>you provided expresses how she was viewed. Not how she
>views
>>the world.
>
>
>
>
>As for those statements telling us how she was viewed VS
>how she views the world, I think a person's experiences
>and how they are viewed shape how they view the world
>at least to some extent. She calls herself the "awkward
>black girl"... awkwardness stems from self-concept, which
>is shaped by how others view you. It's a social concept.
>People like Jessica Williams are why I said
>Tarighu got it right "for the most part," because
>DCS can be raised around white folks and feel disconnected
>from the "Black community" and come off like a perpetrator
>as well. I just think having immigrant parents can very
>easily add to that, as it's a higher chance your parents
>won't have positive feelings or things to say about
>American Black folks whether directly or indirectly.
>That's definitely something I've seen from personal
>experience and heard from friends with immigrant parents
>and friends who married DBI.


So yeah if we agree DCS and DBI can be disconnected from the community, then in my mind it really doesn't turn on whether they are DCS or DBI, it turns on something else. Maybe it's growing up around other black people or Whether their parents make them feel connected to the community. I am sure we all got theories.




>
>
>
>
>>She learned to fit in with descendants of
>>>chattel slaves. She developed speaking a whole different
>>>language and then adopted the language she's writing.
>>>*She's literally writing in her second language.*
>>
>>
>>This is what I find silly. The idea of a black girl
>>misappropriating the language of black people. It's the
>>language of her people.
>
>
>
>You're right, but only because you didn't capitalize
>the second "B" to indicate DCS.
>People on both sides would disagree that DCS and
>DBI are people. I'd say we are, but I'd also say there are
>some very important differences that make it a nuanced
>conversation. It just depends on your view. Mine isn't
>cut and dry.
>


Yeah I don't believe in that Black versus black distinction but reasonable people can disagree on that.

>
>
>>
>>Anyway, I think we have gotten to the core of the issue and
>>here is my MOST IMPROTANT POINT IN THIS EXCHANGE:
>>
>>While there can be distinct differences between the cultures
>>of black immigrant families and black american families,
>there
>>is also tremendous overlap between the two, especially when
>it
>>comes to how the descendants of these two groups experience
>>the world and talk. Specifically, there is no discernable
>way
>>to tell whether a young black person is the descendant of
>>black immigrants ("DBI" going forward) or the descendants of
>>chattel slavery ("DCS" going forward) based on their use of
>>the N word or black slang (also , please clarify, are you
>>saying phrases like "fuck nigga" is DCS slang?).
>
>
>Nah, I'm saying it's easy to misuse slang that you
>adopt secondarily.

Agreed.

I simply listed possible reasons that
>work synergistically to create that situation for Issa.
>It's like she didn't have consistent contact with ANY
>DCS before junior high... not even her parents.

See again, I don't think there is really DBI versus DCS slang. Especially if we are talking about the use of the N word.


>That kinda compounds what the situation would be for
>a DCS at all PWI. I'm hoping that makes it clear why
>I included that as part of my initial reply.
>As for her saying "fuck nigga," it just sounded out
>of place the way she used it imo... like the real live
>"awkward black girl" trying to fit in. As far as it
>being DCS slang, I'd guess that it did originate with us.

I am not sure how you can claim "fuck nigga" is DCS versus DBI. I would just say it's black slang. It's important to note that so much current black slang has hip-hop origins, and DBIs play such a huge role in hip-hop. DJ Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash, the godfathers of hip-hop, all DBIs. MC'ing itself, the art of moving a crowd by rapping over famous beats and breakbeats, has origins from Caribbean dancehall, reggae, calypso, and dub music.

Yeah certain slang has DBI origins like "Big up" and certain slang has DCS southern roots, but not sure how you can classify an expression like "fuck nigga".



>I'm not saying that the way she used it makes it obvious
>that she's a DBI. I'm saying her being a DBI raised
>around white people could have a lot to do with why
>her use of it sounded off to me and others.

Again, I think it's about her being raised around white people and in a certain home environment is the answer and doesn't have to do with whether she ws DBI or DCS. Condi Rice would sound awkward has hell saing "FN" too and she is DCS.


>I agree there's overlap in how we experience the world.
>As stated above, we're all non-white, and the system of
>white supremacy determines how we experience the world,
>so there will be similarities. But as I also stated
>before, when it comes to how institutions and Hollywood
>view DBI, it's different from how they view DCS due to
>the potential "trouble" we cause with our demands/desire
>to stand (or kneel) for a cause. The establishment
>could be pretty sure Obama wasn't gonna fight for
>reparations, for instance.
>There are exceptions to this, because some DCS won't
>challenge the system either, but we are simply viewed
>differently on that basis. I mean, pay attention to how many
>times in the media you're looking at an immigrant student
>when some college brags about a black student. These
>kinds of things are something I've been paying a lot of
>attention to lately, but I digress. All that to say
>our experience may sometimes boil down to us standing
>for things that DBI would have no motivation to stand for.
>Granted, many DCS don't stand for these things either due
>to lack of desire, information or whatever, but I
>personally can't relate to that... hence my perspective on
>this.
>


Sure DBI's wouldn't fight for reparations if they would not be entitled to benefit from them, but I can't think of any other issue where DBIs and DCS interest aren't perfectly aligned.


And yeah alot of schools use DBIs to fulfill their diversity with DBIs. Never occured to me that this was an issue there. I guess it depends on whether diversity and affirmative action is designed to make amends for slavery or whether it is to be more reflective of the word. IDK. To me it always turned on whether that black person would turn around and contribute back the the black (DCS +DBI) community. I have had problem with diversity programs that just end up getting affluent black folks who aren't really contributors to their communities. I rather see a be spot given to a down DBI than a not down DCS.


>
>
>
>>Was Biggie Smalls or Busta Rhymes use of black slang
>>misappropiation because they are DBI?
>
>
>
>
>Not that I could tell. There's a difference in appropriation
>and MISappropriation tho. As far as I know tho, both of them
>were raised speaking the way they spoke. I'm not sure tho.
>Thing is, I couldn't hear misappropriation from either and
>don't know anyone else who could... unlike Issa's situation
>with isisbabyboy and myself.
>
>
>
>>Now, I think you would have had a much better argument which
>I
>>would partially actually agree with if you argued that she
>was
>>"misappropriating" the language of certain type of black
>>people because she grew up around white people, was from a
>>privileged background and learned later to appropriate a
>>certain type of "street" (for lack of a better term)
>language.
>>I thought that is where you were going with it hence my
>>initial question to you.
>>
>>That I get and have seen first hand. Fancy ass kids who try
>>extra hard to sound down and over do it. That would make
>>sense to me. Which is really the source of my original
>>question I think.
>>
>>
>>But you made the distinction on language based on whether
>the
>>black person is DCS or DBI. I don't see how whether someone
>>is entitled to reparations has any bearing on their use of
>the
>>n word. That I would love an elaboration on.
>
>
>
>Well like I was saying above, being raised around white
>folks is just part of it, and that's the part that makes
>it possible for even a DCS to misappropriate. The
>immigrant situation just adds another possible layer
>of outsiderism and judgment.
>Meaning, sometimes immigrants' attitudes about us aren't
>the best, and the children are taught this directly or
>indirectly. This isn't necessarily the *basis* of my
>presentation... I just think it's all equally important.
>Of course this isn't always the case, but it's possible.
>I've seen it multiple times.


Yeah I give you that there are plenty of DBI raised to think they are better than DCS. But I would also add that there are many DCS who are raised to think they are better than other black people. Jessica Williams seems to have way more fcuked up opinions of black people then issa and JW I believe is DBS. Again, my point is it doesn't turn on whether someone is DCS versus DBI, to me it's more like how you were raised.


>
>
>
>>>The authenticity of her presentation doesn't determine
>>>the authenticity of her blackness. That's YOUR idea of
>>>blackness
>>>(hell even her statements that I quoted suggest she was
>>>talking about a TYPE of blackness, so authenticity is a
>>>whole different philosophical conversation to be had)
>>>so I'm asking for the last time that you stop projecting
>>>that onto me. I don't know who told you that you weren't
>>>Black in the past, but it wasn't me. If anything, I've
>>>told you that it's something you can't escape.
>>>
>>
>>Mayne ain't nobody quesitoning my blackness. And I am sure
>in
>>your mind it took you to school me that I can't escape (as
>if
>>I would want to) my blackness. SMH.
>
>
>
>
>That's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that I'd be
>the last one to claim that your or anyone else's
>blackness wasn't authentic. That concept does't make
>sense to me. For example, I'd say something like
>"Obama doesn't represent DCS" or even that he's black,
>not Black... but I'd never say he's "not authentically
>black."
>I'm much too specific to even think of blackness in those
>terms.


OK. even without accepting the Black versus black, I understand your position better now.


>
>
>>>I didn't say she wasn't expressing an authentic feeling.
>>>This was the point of the term "per se." Again, it was
>>>the way she expressed it.
>>>As for her reminding you of every woman you went to
>>>college with, that's cool. Maybe I see something you
>>>don't see. You've said your wife's story is similiar
>>>to Issa's, so this was immediately personal for you.
>>
>>I don't think I ever said that. They share in common both
>>being DBI but my wife's experience sounds like the opposite
>of
>>Issa. She grow up mostly in a non-white environment and only
>>got surrounded by white folks when she got much older.
>
>
>
>Ah ok. Then she was a bad comparison if those non-white
>people were DCS, but I think we're clear on that now.
>
>
>
>>>It's fine that you disagree. There's much more to being
>>>descendants of slaves than visiting plantations.
>>>Generational trauma, PTSS, just for starters. But if these
>>>things don't matter to you, or you don't see how they would
>>>influence the writing of characters and how they're
>>presented
>>>and interpreted by a writer, then that's cool, because my
>>>initial information wasn't for you. It was for someone who
>>>already sees it.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah this is a point we disagree with. I think there is not
>a
>>lot of difference between the way DBI and DCS experience the
>>world (To clarify, I do think First Generation Black
>>Immigrants definitely experience the US different from DCS,
>>but once you are born here, that experience is
>indiscernible).
>> And I based that opinion on having spent much time in both
>>types of households and having a mix of friends from both
>>backgrounds.
>
>
>Respect.
>
>In closing, I just wanna make it clear that I consider
>all black people my people, because some people tend
>to think this kind of conversation is divisive or
>unnecessary, but I think we have to talk about the unique
>claim that descendants of chattel slaves have in
>America and how black immigrants can stand WITH us
>and advocate for us if they wish to speak on our behalf.

In closing I will say it was a good convo once we got pass the old beef. You are definitely a smart, passionate dude which I respect. I sincerely will make an effort to be more respectful and productive in the future.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Show is trying to much to retain its 'street cred' for lack of a better way to put it. Especially once introducing all of these new white characters, potentially to attract a crossover audience. But for their core audience, there is an increasing need to maintain the integrity-authenticity of the three main characters as they become more and more comfortable amongst their counterparts in white dominated occupations; and it just rings inauthentic for me. And the overkill of that word use is a cheap and safe way of doing that without delving too deep.

I've never been comfortable causally calling any of my friends bitches and they've never refer to me as such. I

i think that shit was handled kinda lazily

there wasn't even any real waffling on Molly's part.

he ain't deserve that.

Dro - "I got this"

Chris Darden - "cool!"

Moly still making dumb ass decisions

On some "open marriage? and you believed that shit?"

this will not go over well lol

T&C = terms and conditions

aka reading is optional but adherence is assumed (headass)

it's gonna get ugly

the reason was funny as fuck, but there's not much i hate more than having to honk at some asshole to move because they're lost in their phone, then instead of putting up the 'sorry' hand, they wanna act like you're the asshole for inconveniencing them.

But it seemed silly that a grown ass woman like Molly would be hearing about her fathers infidelities the way she did (unforced dropping a super relevant bombshell).

It would make slightly more sense if Molly was complaining about dating to the Aunties and wanting someone like her dad and that triggering the Aunties to tell her things ain't always what they seem and then let slipping about the dad's infidelities.

Minor tweak that I think would have improved the story.



Also, my prediction is that old boy wasn't being completely honest when he said he was in an open marriage. That's some shit you need some confirmation from the wifey before proceeding.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I think it's odd she had no clue but then again some people are delusional about relationships so I can see how she wouldn't know or see the signs.

More than likely the family knew Molly would act a fool if she found out so they didn't tell her.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

sometimes when we are younger we are so selfish we don't pick up on our elders jokes/digs because it isn't our time yet to know all that info.

I caught a joke my uncle made at a cookout 3 years ago but I bet he has made those types of comments all my life.

i had to sit through a lot of awkward moments from about 16-22 whenever my mom got together with my aunt and her girlfriends.

and i'd overhear all sorts of fake news about my pops. and it didn't actually bug me that my mom was out here telling lies, but that my aunt knew she was telling lies and let her do it considering my aunt and my pops grew up together.

but blood > everything.

Like folk are saying there's no way wifey would be cool with friend from 20 years ago smashing the husband, I am sure that open marriage stuff is no strings or feelings attached...

So while I agree with you I don't agree with you lol

Issa looking a gifthorse in the mouth and turning away
Molly doing some shit he gonna regret
Lawrence finding ways to be miserable and stuck on that old thing despite having a golden ticket.

Jury Duty. Work. Cyberstalking his ex. It just seemed like a lot of random as shit for his character to be doing.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

now it's flipped.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I am glad it isn't like Empire where every single episode has to make people jump off of their sofa.

good but, definitely something for the younger generation..

like many shows.

If nothing else its entertaining while covering some real life topics in a not so serious way.

I just see this show getting so many more critiques than white shows that many of the same people watch for no damn reason.

we hold our own to a higher standard

these folks will watch every dumb ass white show or comedian and defend them when they say nigga because of "context and nuance"

but turn around and be like

"THAT NIGGA FRANKLIN HAD A 2005 JAG, HOW SWAY? I CALL BULLSHIT!"

"HOW THESE NIGGAS GOT GOOD CLOTHES? I CALL BULLSHIT!"

"I CRINGE WHEN THESE NIGGAS SAY NIGGA, NIGGAS REALLY SAY NIGGA THIS MUCH?"

we want black shit to be flawless or you ain't supporting the culture right...

why does our shit have to be flawless while they watch countless other shows and give no fucks about all the holes in the plot or lack of diversity?

mofos will watch Girls and enjoy that shit but then be like FUCK THE WIRE?

why craig?

I'll just have it known that I don't watch very many white shows, and the ones I do (ie GOT), I'm also highly critical of. We just had an exchange in that post.

I just pulled from memory, didn't know who said what.

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Nas >>> your favorite rapper's favorite rapper

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYLqfoBl-Id/?taken-by=theshaderoom

smh....can't she do what she wants with her body....or not?
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two years ago which was a relationship panel...my manager got him (Ron G) and Yvonne to host it. Seeing them go back n forth about dating experiences and gender wars was..........highly entertaining lol

stimulated more relevant debates for young Black folks (21-35 I would say) than AAAAAAAAAAANY show I've ever seen in my entire, entire life...especially in this Internet/Social Media era. I don't think we are able to appreciate it because it's still going on right now, and probably not even halfway finished (I predict it to go 5-6 seasons).

Like....EVERY episode brings out multiple thinkpieces. It's so well written, the debates cause EVEN splits within the middle. Like, on some shows, it's where everyone hates certain characters, while everyone roots for and likes others. On here, they're all flawed, but we end up taking sides based on our own experiences and who we relate to more, while hating those who remind us of low times.

Just....kick back and enjoy this shit, yo.

Parental style.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Unfortunately we are also in a time where folks complain over dumb shit just cause they don't have anything else to complain about.

>stimulated more relevant debates for young Black folks (21-35
>I would say) than AAAAAAAAAAANY show I've ever seen in my
>entire, entire life...especially in this Internet/Social Media
>era. I don't think we are able to appreciate it because it's
>still going on right now, and probably not even halfway
>finished (I predict it to go 5-6 seasons).

deez bammas forget they were once in the age range of 21 - 35 and that they acted in very similar ways to some of the characters on the show.

>Just....kick back and enjoy this shit, yo.
EX-phuckin'-ZAGGLY!

and these days hating or critiquing is what brings them joy.

that was surprising...

what did she expect to happen?

did she think he was lying lol.
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she takes ole girls advice about being in control and tries to get that power..

but she wasn't ready.

I mean, the episode was all about her not being able to give it away... so I get why she was mad once she finally got a chance to get some and it front fired on her.

She was in control. He told her he was about to cum...so she should have either

-stopped and moved back/point it away

-swallowed it

-taken the facial with pride


but at the same time, this was kinda her first time...so she didn't know all the options...

d

That was some teenage ish right there.

LOL

He told her he was about to bust...

sex things. earlier in the show she talked about not really doing bjs on some women are viewed as hoes for it. its the good ol' double standard that folks still hold on to.

her reaction fit right in that dialogue. she felt disrespected even though he didn't disrepect her.

if you're a bothered by nut to the face, swallow it or don't get down there.

I've never encountered a woman who didn't give head. Ever.
Seems like Issa nem are living in 1995 or some shit.

not that I was dealing with personally. some folks are still on some puritan shit for blow jobs and everything that comes with it. it silly.

I know a woman that told me show never hooks her husband up. she just didn't do it. no real reason other than not wanting to.l and they were married for years. haven't talked to her in while, but knowing her.......she's still prolly not doing it.

in the context of the show, I can see how this fits her character. she's pretty much unsure about relationships in general.

MY WIFE HAS TO KISS THE KIDS WITH THOSE LIPS!!!

what made it crazy was his wife was white too. I was like "what's the point of marrying a white woman bruh"

>MY WIFE HAS TO KISS THE KIDS WITH THOSE LIPS!!!
>
>what made it crazy was his wife was white too. I was like
>"what's the point of marrying a white woman bruh"
>
lolol.....this whole thing is gahbige. don't know how folks live with that kinda logic.

If the character was 20, 21... i might buy it. But you're 30 and you don't give head? Foh.

and wonder why they can't get a man.

I know a woman that's was a virgin til 39-40. we all running our own races.

Now he's not dropping everything for her and nutting in her face

Her reaction pissed me off too though. I agree with the comment above that she's acting like a teenager

not sure what her age is on the show but she acts dumb as hell

every ep, i'm thinking like damn Lawrence can do better. Shit, he should (probably will) be fucking with the chick at his job. I mean, I don't believe you should eat where you shit, but fuck it, its TV. lol.

It's always "normal episode then OH LETS THROW SOMETHING IN IN THE LAST FIVE SECONDS THAT WILL GET TWITTER TALKING".

I'm sick of that.

Sick of the fake dream fake outs.

Somewhat sick of her rapping but at least that's done sparingly.

M

like, when his friend mention that he was part of the problem.

but Daniel...
I love everything about him...physically
reminds me of a situation lol

She is NICE.

that's TWO W's.

'Lawrence coworker Insecure indian Latina'

she is bad. fuck issa lol.

>'insecure indian Latina'
>

nice means nothing when you're still "in your feelings" about things...

duh...

not that "ray ray and boo boo was in a fight last week" convo

fu*king amateurs

j/k

<3

these dudes black and work at tech companies too.

that's why i figured Lawrence should be feasting

but he'd risk getting caught up with HR. married folks at my job are getting it in. I'm sure the single folks are smashing.

he's trying to figure this whole thing out. he just got that feedback about possibly be part of the reason. we'll have to see if that moves him.

sucky part tho, even if he betters himself, it doesn't mean she won't do the same shit. humans are gonna human.

thanks for responding...

this feelings or pride because clearly he misses her.

some nut to the face? No wonder he doesn't want her back lol

wondering why they can't find or keep a man.

suck more, talk less and watch dudes move mountains for them.

>
>suck more, talk less and watch dudes move mountains for them.
>

>wondering why they can't find or keep a man.
>
>suck more, talk less and watch dudes move mountains for them.
>

>wondering why they can't find or keep a man.
>
>suck more, talk less and watch dudes move mountains for them.
>

nice looking, good career, no kids, she'll be dating these dudes and she'll swear he's Mr. Wonderful then out of the blue he'll drop her ass like a bad habit and be on some "its not you, its me!" type shit lol.

Then she'll want me to explain what's wrong, I've hinted around but I just wanna come out and ask her "bitch is you sucking the dick right?!"

because he isn't doing XYZ? LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z83mDocLRUo

http://nypost.com/2017/08/11/issas-insecure-apartment-is-real-heres-what-it-costs/

If it's a one bedroom, it's $1,345 per month!

He's tryna find a spot to live in with his girl, and he said "yoooooo!!! The spot Issa lives in is real!! I saw it when I was apartment hunting in Inglewood and Hawthorne!"

for this joint awhile back.

might have been in this thread.

my rent is still under $1300 in a super quiet area

through Hulu. Could have been hopped on this show on Kodi, though, but I was puttin it off. This HBO thing seemed like a push from the universe. Just finished watching Season 1, straight through.
Issa is all kinds of dope
Lawrence seems like a clown
Daniel is my dude
Love the ghetto, bank teller
The Blood in their apartment complex is hilarious

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https://media.giphy.com/media/ZPrlWRpIDfHS8/giphy.gif

I thought this angle of tgevstory was being played for irony but she's serious about that being the worst thing ever. My eye roll at that whole scene with her and bol fighting over that was huge.

As did that fight between Lawrence and Issa.

more like Issa was in over her head with her hoedom and when shit hit the fan she wasn't ready for it.

I rock with the conversation too. Issa's been taking Ls for most of the season so for her ex to show up and flex (in her eyes) in front of her friends? That's the L that made her lose it.

Lazy ass writing.

shit is silly

thus she wrote it into the character.

Yes I know he's also saying that because any friend could be outside (hella Issa!) but that's what I got from that scene.

like, it would probably go without saying that someone like molly would be out of bounds.

of coming to a party together and one of you creeping off fuck someone else in the bathroom

would he be all good with her doing that shit? lol

into straight porn swingage.

Like you said, even if its open he knows it was disrespectful and it's why he told her to stay back

>like, it would probably go without saying that someone like
>molly would be out of bounds.
>
>of coming to a party together and one of you creeping off fuck
>someone else in the bathroom
>
>would he be all good with her doing that shit? lol

I get it but come on.. you fucked in the bathroom and then have the puppy dog eyes when he tells you to hang back for a few?

Those eyes don't work on a married man yo...

he comes across like he's playing games...he really treats her like a secret side chick even with the whole "we have something too..." shit instead of just being normal and up front. that's what makes me think he's lying to her somehow. initially he seemed pretty normal about it all but this ep he was laying it on thick (pause).

if it's open his wife def doesn't know and would have an issue with it.

>he really treats
>her like a secret side chick even with the whole "we have
>something too..." shit instead of just being normal and up
>front.

and i agree
issa is hella childish
i don't think daniel planned to cum on her face on purpose
she is so overly dramatic
lawrence is single and can fuck whoever he wants
even trashy white girls that buy him beer
get over yourself

molly keeps playing the fuck out of herself
i wanted his wife to walk into the bathroom so bad

My new joint with Roman Gianarthur premiered last night...

EDIT: it dropped too peep

https://open.spotify.com/album/4tBj6Z5GYGcpz3Svgn49zt

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That dinner party was cringeworthy. It reminded me of the answering machine in "Swingers". Not the same situation, but it was like watching a train wreck that you wanted to end, yet you cannot turn away.

#TeamIssa and #TeamLawrence aside, Issa was tripping this week. *I* think she was irrationally upset at Daniel about the facial. And then this week she flipped on him over the phone. At the party, she's all upset because Lawrence blocked her on Facebook? Why Sway? And then had the nerve to think he was throwing things in her face by bringing Arparna. Naw, she's got to work through some things.

I am glad they finally had that blowout. They needed that. The relationship just ended without them addressing any of their issues and they were long overdue for a direct conversation. That said, Lawrence kinda went too far in insulting Issa. He brought a nuclear bomb to a knife fight when he called her a ho.

blow lol...


>That said, Lawrence kinda went too far in insulting Issa. He
>brought a nuclear bomb to a knife fight when he called her a
>ho.

Especially when Issa has gone the entire season thinking that Lawrence should've just taken her back. She's basically mad at Lawrence for moving on quicker than her at this point.

And Lawrence was already winning (unfairly but still) at life in comparison so I don't understand why he still wanted to lash out on that level.
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Lawrence has every right to be mad as fuck when Issa tries to come for him at the dinner with that random girl comment.

This show is doing a great job of showing how "Insecure" Issa is.. lol

When she came at him, he pulled her card.


>Especially when Issa has gone the entire season thinking that
>Lawrence should've just taken her back. She's basically mad
>at Lawrence for moving on quicker than her at this point.
>
>And Lawrence was already winning (unfairly but still) at life
>in comparison so I don't understand why he still wanted to
>lash out on that level.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>RE: Lawrence went out there to apologize. He ain't do nothing wrong.
>When she came at him, he pulled her card.
>
>

I told her that I wasn't about to have no beefing like the end of last season when I was giving props to Lawrence. LMAO

anything else is CTE levels of hurt. He was justified to be mad because Issa never made it right.

But he could've just laughed it off the moment he realized he was winning. It's like the world is trying to pay him back with good karma but he's not just taking that and running with it.

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it's pretty much the basis of all his fkry.

issa is just the title track.

the writing needs to get better, it feels spotty in some areas.

i thought folks were overplaying it on twitter.

im gonna watch this weeks ep tomorrow night

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

she was rockin the mic and dude assumed she was down for whatever...especially since she initiated the toppy.

He warned her. She ain't move. And then had the nerve to get mad that she brought him to orgasm. Some women don't have that skill at all. The ones, who I know, that do take pride in being able to do so.

Hitcha with the "Do you know a girl who can tie a knot in a cherry stem with her tongue? Noooo? Come here and lemme show you." That kinda pride. LOL

every time I think about that scene that line pops into my head

Either way this isn't the only corner of the internet debating the fact and the last episode it looks like we as the audience were supposed to see it as intentional.

Bad direction all around, seems they were more concerned with getting that top tier cumshot on camera as opposed to filming that scene according to the plot, lol

Lawrence first instinct was not to invite Aparna, but only changed his mind when he thought it was going to be a regular party and under slight pressure on that staircase.

He shows up, realizes the mistake, and apologizes to EVERYONE.

Issa sits there pouty faced the whole time and managed to sneak out one snarky comment on his date to which Lawrence aint respond.

Then when Issa runs out like a brat and Molly gave him the nod he went out there to comfort her...not to start a fight!

She was the first one to start lobbing bombs making it about her acting as if Lawrence purposely brought the date over to intentionally embarrass her(and the thing is all her friends by this time know she's been dating around and on paper has moved on herself, so its not THAT embarrassing.)

Him going into her sleeping around the first round (lol) was legit since he did see pics of her and Daniel canoodling when they first broke up she said it was a one time thing trying to get him back.

And when he called her a ho in the end it was only after that vicious, "How's that business plan going? I don't see no app on my phone after I supported your depressed ass for two years" soul burn.

Lawrence is still a prick and him entering in a co-worker fling which is Advanced Dating when he can't even get regular ass dating right (along with the unresolved feelings for Issa) will have him take an L in the near future. But this episode? All asshole Issa.

... No you will not bring my pussy to the witness stand out in the middle of the streets.

Or something like that.

And I agree. I felt that 'ho' that Lawrence spit... that shit cut deep.

That said, Issa's immaturity and shitty behavior from the last 2 eps really is killing me all the way dead. Hard to root for her when she's acting like a shitty child.

I get Lawrence hit that nuclear option but it seemed to be after Issa launched her own nuke.

Bitch/Ho cut to the core of female disrespect in the world today, but more often then not they are generic insults dudes throw out after they have no facts left to bring to the argument.

Im not on that side of the equation, but I figure id rather be called a ho in Issa's situation than being told that someone had to support me for two years and I am still a failure. But I also don't have the slur shame weight as a dude...ho is an insult i can shrug off.

then has the nerve to get upset when you move on with your life.

shit ain't that deep but some folks are going to act like being called a hoe or a bitch is the worst thing in the world.

sure, when its uncalled for it's a terrible insult but when you are throwing insults back and forth, it's just words and only cuts deep if it's true.

has she been a hoe? Based on her own words the answer is yes. Truth hurts. Same as calling Lawrence a bum ass nigga or whatever she called him. She wasn't lying.

shit was like: https://youtu.be/LEGY_fLBCsQ?t=1m34s

while her boyfriend was there

And I'm not talking about last weeks episode either. SMH

but why tf was he even invited? that just seemed weird in and of itself. he and dude don't hang out like that, definitely not since the breakup.

when he told Lawrence Issa cheating was partially his fault

I binged the first four eps and inadvertently skipped over #2 I believe, and it felt like I didn't miss anything. Something seems off, I don't know if the writers were too ambitious or wanted to dive into something, but I feel like this story could be told in 3 episodes tops. Even though last night was a good setup to really drive things forward via the dinner party, it felt wholly unnecessary - not unlike a few others this year.

the writing doesn't seem cohesive/well thought out, which leaves more to be desired. i like the show though.

her apartment.

I think we are suppose to think she is being insecure and childish and she is given the dudes in her life a hard time for no great reason (unless dude purposely nut in her face).




>I binged the first four eps and inadvertently skipped over #2
>I believe, and it felt like I didn't miss anything. Something
>seems off, I don't know if the writers were too ambitious or
>wanted to dive into something, but I feel like this story
>could be told in 3 episodes tops. Even though last night was
>a good setup to really drive things forward via the dinner
>party, it felt wholly unnecessary - not unlike a few others
>this year.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She threw a tantrum because she ain't in control and can't get her way. Feelings being hurt is culmination of her not being able to manage her hoetation. All them bammas kicked her to the curb. Even her big headed neighbor. LMAO

Lawrence hasn't moved on too well despite having luck with some nice looking women. He's obviously still feeling something for Issa which is why he went off the way he did rather than just laughing the shit off when she threw her little fit outside. In fact, his feelings were evident by the fact that he went outside to check on her. How bout dah?

I'd have left her ass out there because I was with someone else. And though the new chic/coworker is not necessarily my lady, I still wouldn't have gone to check on Issa because that/she is no longer my issue. Essentially, fuck her feelings. Molly nodding her head was for her to get some vicarious comfort while she was sitting there feeling like she had just been smutted. So, Lawrence fell for the okie doke and then got suckered into some, IMO, hoe shit by going back and forth with a woman.

Back to Issa, why she ain't get that car fixed yet? Is insurance not required in Cali? I root for her to win but it don't seem likely because she keeps making dumb decisions. And based on her trashing her spot, she's obviously tired of making them.

i'm gonna be highly upset if that nigga Lawrence get back with her.

why the fuck would that nigga get back with her.

it doesn't matter if the next thing is better, dudes be mad jaded for a minute before snapping out of it. Especially if the sex was good. Back in the day when my ex did me dirty I was a fucking zombie.. even tho I had some fine women around and the word was out that I was single I was still lost in the sauce bruh.

shit is different for most dudes. We can cheat all day but let us get cheated on one time and we act like we been shot.

At least that's how it's been with all the dudes I know who got cheated on.

His work chick is fine but ionno, she got that nahmean husky raspy thing going on, I can't get past that. She sound like she listens to DMX and wears Timbs in the kitchen. She bad tho...

a woman out of her name. I can't even say I've been hurt by it enough to stop talking to said fee-mayul.

We would normally just talk about why it happened. I took it as lessons learned and KIM. 9/10, it went down because I was out there dong something I ain't have no business doing my damned self.

Regardless, calling her outside her name ain't gonna make it feel any better. Lawrence is prolly still feeling some kinda way about not being shit for all that time.

Hurt people hurt people, b!

make decisions, good or bad, then he gets to be the "non bad guy." Tasha was right about that. Issa blew it by cheating. She's passive aggressive and immature. She should have left him a long time ago. Now, he can't see anything that he did wrong and is taking it a step further by accusing her of cheating the whole time.

my ex was all types of bitches and hoes (in my head) and my ass was definitely not asking her the the 5 Ws.

Why you block me on Facebook?
I ain't got no woot woots on my phone
I supported your depressed ass for years

Yeah... no way you cheat and then attack me for checking on you.

I just didn't let it frame how I was gonna respond. Had to question if it was my ego stinging or if I was truly hurting because of it.

And whether we like to or not, accepting karma has to come with the territory. That military life was a beyotch!

livin, datin, workin in LA



if da shit was bout white folks yall wouldnt even trip

dont make me dig up dem Broad City posts

>
>livin, datin, workin in LA
>
>
>
>if da shit was bout white folks yall wouldnt even trip
>
>dont make me dig up dem Broad City posts

Things that should drive the story forward, go nowhere, or with very little payoff.

Something like Issa wrecking her car...that's big, but it has no impact on the story besides it opens up a useless conversation between her and Daniel that night. It gets her on a bus later to reach her revelation about We Got Ya'll, but to me that seems kind of lazy.

I'd have the same criticism of a show with a non-black cast. Hopefully all of this is leading to something.

hmm.. that seemed legit. She has been in her own world and now that she is out in these streets she got some info that made her realize she been tripping about work.

In LA, you are approaching rock bottom when you have to rely on public transportation.



>Things that should drive the story forward, go nowhere, or
>with very little payoff.
>
>Something like Issa wrecking her car...that's big, but it has
>no impact on the story besides it opens up a useless
>conversation between her and Daniel that night. It gets her
>on a bus later to reach her revelation about We Got Ya'll, but
>to me that seems kind of lazy.
>
>I'd have the same criticism of a show with a non-black cast.
>Hopefully all of this is leading to something.
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

like the shit going on at both issa's and molly's workplace.

Lawrence get into a bad car crash or something and then the other one puts bygones behind them and takes care of the crash victim. Or Issa winds up pregnant by one of the dudes she's boning.

the standouts are Issa didnt come from a traditional black background (i.e. she didnt know who 2Pac was the day he died), the show is expressly not for men, and Lawrence has been written to be purposely trash so it speaks to men who relate to him. also she wants to be a big thing in pop culture

a lot of it seems based around what the writers think black people are like with people playing characters they cant really relate to at all

this right here tho:


"The fact that dudes have latched onto this character is such a compliment, because we're mostly women writing these male characters," Rae says, noting that he is partially based off a real person in her life. "But the fact that men really see themselves in him and are excusing a lot of his behavior is a testament to just how a lot of men are, currently."

ionno about all that.

I think dudes will naturally latch onto the guy who has a few flaws...especially if he is cheated on. No one should expect a guy like Lawrence to make all the right moves after the breakup.

and I wonder if some of the diversity is fucking up the writing cause some of it seems a little wtf-ish this season.

Also think she is making a mistake trying to chase pop culture.

I don't know about a pass, when my students quote and bump Pac

but LOL, if that group of writers think they writing Lawrence and he coming off super shitty, cause he not to a whole lot of dudes

>the standouts are Issa didnt come from a traditional black
>background (i.e. she didnt know who 2Pac was the day he died),
>the show is expressly not for men, and Lawrence has been
>written to be purposely trash so it speaks to men who relate
>to him. also she wants to be a big thing in pop culture


According to the same article it was because she was mostly in white private schools; from high school on she was around mostly POC and didn't have any white friends until the HBO show's writers room.

She never said Lawrence was written to be trash, just that people who defend him when he fucks up are kinda telling on themselves

>a lot of it seems based around what the writers think black
>people are like with people playing characters they cant
>really relate to at all

Ive got beef with the general maturity of some of the behaviors vs the age(the cum controversy would be an issue at 20, not 30), but to say the show doesn't ring true *shrug*

dude baling on the picnic was just wrong.. I don't think any dude would defend that.

However, most of his interaction with Issa since the break up has been pretty standard shit IMO.

Most times even if I don't agree with something he did I can still understand/sympathize why a guy in his shoes would do it.

Issa tho, maybe it's on purpose but a lot of her shit is really on some WTF is you doing? I think it's harder to cheer for her this season. I wonder if they intentionally did this or if they truly believe Lawrence is foul and Issa should get more sympathy.

Issa's blatant; her interaction with Rico sums up what a jerk she is. That episode she was strictly looking for a fuck to fix her self esteem and when he came correct but didn't give her what she wanted NOW she totally curved him (similar to how she did Daniel last year).

Larry hasn't been that blatant, but that Tasha shit was more then him not going to the picnic. He knew at that point they weren't just fucking in her mind, had an out when she got pissed at him cheating, and doubled down by agreeing to go to basically meet her family. Tasha fine as shit, I understand the temptation, but it was still a player move even though he disguised it as being 'nice'.

We know Aparna's gonna get hit with that same bus eventually



>dude baling on the picnic was just wrong.. I don't think any
>dude would defend that.
>
>However, most of his interaction with Issa since the break up
>has been pretty standard shit IMO.
>
>Most times even if I don't agree with something he did I can
>still understand/sympathize why a guy in his shoes would do
>it.
>
>Issa tho, maybe it's on purpose but a lot of her shit is
>really on some WTF is you doing? I think it's harder to cheer
>for her this season. I wonder if they intentionally did this
>or if they truly believe Lawrence is foul and Issa should get
>more sympathy.
>
>

but I wonder if they think Lawrence's character is worse than we think he is...

I think anytime you cheat you are going to be viewed as the villain and the other person will get extra rope for obvious reasons.

The one thing working in Aperna's favor is her character seems like a straight shooter who recognizes plays before they happen.

Coming outside to check on Lawrence? That was a G move. A lot of women would have stayed inside. She put that dude on a timer. Then was smart enough to suggest getting that drink instead of letting that nigga go home and stew over his Ex. I think she is going to bow out before he gets a chance if they stay true to her character.

>Issa's blatant; her interaction with Rico sums up what a jerk
>she is. That episode she was strictly looking for a fuck to
>fix her self esteem and when he came correct but didn't give
>her what she wanted NOW she totally curved him (similar to how
>she did Daniel last year).
>
>Larry hasn't been that blatant, but that Tasha shit was more
>then him not going to the picnic. He knew at that point they
>weren't just fucking in her mind, had an out when she got
>pissed at him cheating, and doubled down by agreeing to go to
>basically meet her family. Tasha fine as shit, I understand
>the temptation, but it was still a player move even though he
>disguised it as being 'nice'.
>
>We know Aparna's gonna get hit with that same bus eventually
>
>
>
>>dude baling on the picnic was just wrong.. I don't think any
>>dude would defend that.
>>
>>However, most of his interaction with Issa since the break
>up
>>has been pretty standard shit IMO.
>>
>>Most times even if I don't agree with something he did I can
>>still understand/sympathize why a guy in his shoes would do
>>it.
>>
>>Issa tho, maybe it's on purpose but a lot of her shit is
>>really on some WTF is you doing? I think it's harder to
>cheer
>>for her this season. I wonder if they intentionally did this
>>or if they truly believe Lawrence is foul and Issa should
>get
>>more sympathy.
>>
>>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that's worse than cheating with some women.

when I was fucked up financially

It was worse than TMZ... more like Media Takeout. LOL.

I mean she was 11 when Tupac was killed so that's not that crazy. There are plenty of black folks from Church folks to black immigrant households who wouldn't be so plugged into black entertainment.

It's funny that the show isn't meant for men but to me the female characters come off a lot worst. If a white man wrote this show there would be an uproar. As a black woman, she can show the warts. This kind of reminds me of the question I always had about Girls which was were they aware how bad the characters were coming off and that was the joke or are the writers oblivious to the characters self absorbtion.


Still don't get how Lawrence is terrible. Worst thing he did this whole series was dip out on Tasha at her family reunion rather than say he didn't want to go.

>the standouts are Issa didnt come from a traditional black
>background (i.e. she didnt know who 2Pac was the day he died),
>the show is expressly not for men, and Lawrence has been
>written to be purposely trash so it speaks to men who relate
>to him. also she wants to be a big thing in pop culture
>
>a lot of it seems based around what the writers think black
>people are like with people playing characters they cant
>really relate to at all
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but then again, this is written on some gender warz shit.

That's basically all it is. Because he hasn't done anything to merit the hate he gets from so many women watching the show, other than just be corny.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

And once Aparna coaches him to a bigger and deffer Woot Woot, the FB screeds will be off the charts.

that nigga better not go back to Issa.

that's just dumb

it's talented 10th girls, cos-playing as regular black people

.

listened to the rest of the tracks on the album....Boo Boo!!
(c)Kendrick

Put me on to soooo much good music.


>listened to the rest of the tracks on the album....Boo Boo!!
>(c)Kendrick


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

.

But really he's just a hurt dude trying to figure it out and find his way.

Not condoning his behavior, btw.

based on all that has happened to him how is he acting like one?

He had a few cringe worthy moments but overall I think dude ain't that bad.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

thou shall not "date" anyone who has just been cheated on. Shit rarely works out.

no matter how nice, fine, perfect you are a person will usually shit on you if they just got cheated on.

when through a breakup from a long relationship. I excuse his actions. Hurt people hurt people. Tasha knew waddup, she tried to change a brotha. She knew what she was getting into.

"soo, does that mean you coming to lunch or nah?"

the picnic shit was foul as fuck.

but again, you don't invite that dude to meet your family until he takes you out on more than one date. All they did was fuck and chill.

So he sleeps with his ex while fucking TAsha which honestly shouldn’t be a big deal on paper because she knew ‘what was up’. They supposedly ain’t together, no harm, no foul.

But the way he went about telling her was in that, ‘Damn, I fucked up’ tone, and her reaction to kicking him out was certainly the ‘Damn, you fucked up’ move, lol

So apparently that ‘what was up’ wasn’t clear to either one of em.

Normally that shouldda ended that shit, but we ain’t done yet. This is where we hit peak fuckboy.

He rolled up with an apology, an apology that shouldn’t have been needed if it was strictly about sex.

Her mistake was at that moment when he was doing the whole pity/pouty shit she took him back, and he doubled down by agreeing to meet her fam!

If he rolled up with that apology on some, ‘Ma, you know I don’t love her, you know we got a thing going, you know I wanna see how this goes, give me another chance’ it would have achieved the same exact thing!

Just cause he ain’t hit her with the player lines doesn’t mean his ‘Golly gee! Im sorry’ isn’t a form of fuck boy game he’s playing even though it’s plausible deniability.

my man called Lawrence a Brian Mcknight ass nigga

sellin him on da extra bedroom for his feelins


i howled

>sellin him on da extra bedroom for his feelins <

I woke up the dogs laughing so loud.

with a passion.

Married women are like whatevs and are more focused on Issa.

Draw your own conclusions.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

one of the best scored shows, ever

if you sleep with a coworker the chances of them having a few bodies at the job is pretty high and unless you can handle that you end up looking like Lawrence....

Nigga is all types of Insecure.

I don't blame him tho... you slept with that dude? Nah son, why does that say about me? Lmao

>if you sleep with a coworker the chances of them having a few
>bodies at the job is pretty high and unless you can handle
>that you end up looking like Lawrence....
>
>Nigga is all types of Insecure.
>
>I don't blame him tho... you slept with that dude? Nah son,
>why does that say about me? Lmao

Honestly, Apana came off more mature then he did. She wasn't the needy no boundaries messy co-worker who kinda falls into work relationships because of easy access/youth, etc. She's been frank and matter of fact the whole season even when they weren't dating so her saying it was just about dick you gotta give her the benfit of doubt (and her honesty I respect.)

Problem is that it was triggering as fuck for Lawrence; can't go from a long term relationship where the love of your life broke you heart by cheating on a side dude...and walk into a situation where your girl is consistently running into and kee keeing with her ex.

If ya confident about ya shit it shouldn't bother you as long as its workplace banter and they aren't hopping into each other's laps to help code, lol. But he wasn't ready.

....I don't blame him for feeling Insecure. Once you see the last dude and he ain't THAT DUDE you gonna feel like she just out here jumping on whatever is available. Which should be fine if you weren't in your feelings but nah.. Lawrence ain't ready.

Like I said, this is why you don't fuck coworkers. Unless you just out for some ass it's a bad idea and now you have to see them at work.

He's going to end up fucking this job up by punching dude out and then end up in the The Dunes in the same apartment.

Not as if Chris (was his name Chris) was an abstract 'ex' that she was forced to work with out of his sight.

He's looking over at them hee heeing up like this:

https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/files/2016/12/20/63617853060045179957177404_tumblr_inline_nmr58kAE1o1slrfa0_500.gif

at his desk like this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/HbtWts2zxycE0/giphy.gif

if he was or wasn't "THAT DUDE" it wouldn't matter, Lawrence would still be insecure about the situation and I think most guys would be for various reasons. If he WAS that dude, then Lawrence would feel like okay he's amazing and now I have to compete. If he wasn't that dude then Lawrence would feel like so she just fucked what was convenient (which is what she said). Either way, he'd feel a certain way which is WHY he shouldn't have messed with someone at work. I don't believe he was ignorant of the situation beforehand, they all mentioned how ppl hook up in the tech industry at the parties. But how he thought he'd be comfortable is crazy and her suggesting he work with a man she use to have sex with is odd, and why he would say yes is a mess too. I feel like Aparna was just a cool ass chick he clicked with who understood where he was coming from with work. Other than that, they didn't have any real chemistry at all.

no matter what the dude was like Lawrence would be in his feelings...

which is why you don't fuck coworkers unless you really are about that life.

I never liked her anyway

Lawrence would be insecure and jealous in general right now. The lesson is really not to jump right into something after getting your heart broken...that's where he fucked up

after Issa he had a down ass chick in Tasha and he treated her like a jumpoff. Then he got with Apartheid who is prime jumpoff material and he catches feelings. Then he tries to crying back to Issa but wasn't man enough to just say "I want you back", he just left and sent a facebook friend request instead.

Tasha was right he IS a fuck nigga lol.

yall gonna stop calling him a fuck nigga.

He waited for her to come back home so he could get closure ... got it, then left. If there's one thing Lawrence has been, it's been honest, for better or worse (e.g., telling Tasha he and Issa had sex). If he wanted her back, he woulda told her

You're a tough crowd, man

http://www.rechoomondi.com/shop/niggas-pullover?fref=gc&dti=191446571261530

160? no thanks

seems like every time Lawrence and these dudes get together they are mad uncomfortable?

maybe its cause they are only friends due to who they date?

they all had these weird looks on their faces the whole time.

Never seen 3 or 4 dudes on this show just relax and kick it in a scene. It always feels awkward like "shhh.. my woman may be listening"

like they can't even have dudes enjoying themselves or chilling...

these dudes were sitting around eye rolling like their SO's and shit.

the way Tiffany and Kelli talk to her, especially as it relates to her financial status and life is fucked up.

>the way Tiffany and Kelli talk to her, especially as it
>relates to her financial status and life is fucked up.

Both Tiffany and Kelli go for blood each and every comment. Kelli I can understand because her characters has no filter in both directions; she will easily talk shit about her own issues and I know people like that.

Tiffany tho, would have been got X'ed out.

Chad clowns Lawrence, but its in a 'I wanna see my homie get laid and do big things' type way

It's like he sees the fuckboi behavior and just has to call it out. The difference between Derek and Chad is that Chad is completely supportive of his moves whereas Derek is married and has a different perspective. Also, Derek is friends with both Lawrence and Issa.


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Issa's foresight with her & Lawrence made me kinda sad. I realized then that she wasn't trying to leave the shitty hood apartment.

She meets someone that has their act together and might be cool and hubby material? Panties stay dry like the desert.

Something that's gonna cause her heartache and stress in the near future? SHE'S ALL IN, lol

dude has his shit together? not interested, ionno, not my type

dude has 3 baby mamma's, no job and going through a might be divorce "IONNO WHY BUT I LOOOOVE HIM"

my brother is the same way too. He doesn't want anything that's stable and all about him.

hilarious to say the least

but in real life it's OD weird

He was an old school wannabe playa from the Himalayas.

One day a female came to my dad and asked him if she could be on his roster. Basically this means he lends her money or weed and she washes his clothes or cleans his house. He told me that he didn't want her because she didn't have a habit or a vice.

"What do I need with a woman with confidence and a strong personality?

Man, I went home with my wife and seen this woman at the bar and she came up to me crying real tears because my father told her no.

My wife was like WTF.

all in my 20s I was all about hooking up with bad choices and I ran the exact opposite direction of any woman who was stable or wanted to get serious

at least that was my reason.

But Molly always talks like she wants a real relationship but anytime she gets a chance she runs back to unstable dick.

if she does, it's a turrbl trope of women with low self esteem sleeping around.

IMO Molly just has a warped ass idea of what her life should be, because of who she is; it's like entitlement but the millenial Black version. Her therapist be trying to get her to see that

But you and legs aint wrong either.

but she doesn't want to put in the work so next best thing is find someone else's man who looks like he has it all together.

perceived success career-wise and/or in other areas of their life and in their mind they have an idea of what their "trophy husband" looks like. Unfortunately a lot of the guys that they view as that type don't see THEM as "trophy wives" and value other qualities that may not be their strong suit.

.

cause all those fools went back to their old shit..lol

Sounded to me like he had learned from both his "thing" w/ Aparna and had taken accountability for the part he played in his relationship w/ Issa

>cause all those fools went back to their old shit..lol

What? Wait.. n/m

but then once I realized what it was about I let it go...kinda.

especially since I pretty much knew it was all made up.

That scene would've had a better close if Lawrence just stared at Issa for one last time and then walked away silently.

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to communicate to us that not only does Issa love Lawrence generally, but that she specifically and desperately wishes to be with him, have a life with him, etc which wasn't otherwise really all that clear through the second half of the season, including their conversation in the kitchen (her inability to communicate being very consistent with her character... she's a very strange protagonist. She's almost totally unlikable, but somehow I don't think that's what they're intentionally going for? Maybe they're aiming for an "everyone is flawed, we're keeping it 100" type of thing, but I don't think they're succeeding. Issa just sucks.)

But hella people defend her I guess because they like Issa the actress.

But yeah

.

at least do that shit in the morning

school and get that teaching certification...

really?

http://madamenoire.com/1026508/sarunas-jackson-aka-dro-from-insecure-is-the-father-of-dominique-perrys-daughter/