AKA Game of Dimepieces.

Tonight it's back for a seven episode run to the usual ten.

The creators said this season is part one of the end. Cercei has got to get got.

And I hope Sansa doesn't turn on John. I think we get non stop action from now on.

She's still letting Littlefinger get in her head again. Especially after what happened.

She still low key respects and admires her and the power she holds. She wants it. Shes learning from Cercei's and her father's mistakes.

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may or may not blow up in her face

but id like to think she atleast thinks shes the one manipulating him

I don't want to post spoilers...so that's all I'll say for now...a good start

He didn't sound good either.

It's gonna be interesting to see how they pull off the W

If you're dead, you can be 'taken'

do we get an ice dragon?

>do we get an ice dragon?

Ice Ice baby.

Dracarys Ice Ice baby.

patch

Dope to see super assassin Arya.
Jon leading like he was born to do it.
Why was Dragonstone completely abandoned though?
That doesn't make any sense.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't willingly stay in a place where the immediate former owner sacrificed his own child to be king (and failed to boot).

I feel she gunna end up back there

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Why would they leave? Where would they go?
Back to their families who have it rough in the countryside?

Most men and support staff went with Stannis. Any trade that happened happened because of Stannis. I'm pretty sure that there wasn't a lot of farming done on Dragonstone due to it's rockiness, so there's really not anything to tie them there.

Remember Winterfell during the first season? Sansa had handmaidens, young women who live in the castle with her. There were old women, septas (who Stannis may or may not have thrown out of Dragsonstone), there were butchers (remember Arya's friend who The Hound killed?), the families of some of the soldiers he took with him would be there. Stannis being there or not, there are people who live and work there. Them fleeing because he died doesn't make sense. Again -- Are they supposed to go live with their families in the countryside who would be poor and live rough? During winter? Doubtful.

and me still showing up to work the next day

the nigga who pays us is dead lol

and whoever killed him might be take awhile to replace him if they even bother to

the king dies and there's no replacement and it was sham of a leftover city anyway = we out

but don't have the men to occupy it.

if that building was populated by anything it was going to be the same decaying corpses the Hound found in that cabin, just mothers instead of fathers.

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You don't know what you're talking about.

with the caveat of "it is assumed", but that's what it said and what I typed. if you think I think that means they went to and held the castle, that's not what I thought, I thought that people just assumed they took the title back to be exercised at a later date. Another article from The Verge says Stannis actually took everyone out of the castle, and maybe the wiki page did too, but I don't remember seeing or hearing about families being with the army...what, three years ago in real world time?


anyway, it's not like we're talking about Russian emails here; why the harsh tone? especially without a helpful correction. no need to be so fussy.


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonstone_(castle)

Here's how the page looked at mid-afternoon yesterday:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Dragonstone_(castle)?oldid=332066

"Season 4
Stannis and the remainder of his army left Dragonstone, assisting the Night's Watch in defeating the army of Free Folk at the Battle of Castle Black.

It is now unknown who holds the castle, however it is assumed that the castle reverted to the control of the crown, House Baratheon of King's Landing, and House Lannister following the former's extinction."



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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

servants, maids, cooks, children... Stannis wouldn't have taken them with him and they wouldn't have just left. They live in in the castle.

but to say its not believable that whoever was left behind who wasnt needed to be with Stannis left the castle is a stretch. It's pretty believable. Especially after hearing that he died they got the fuck out of there, they are poor they need to go make money some how.

if I were servants, maids, cooks, children.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

WAY too hard.

that's cool that you don't know what a castellan is or their role in Westeros, tho.

we've seen abandoned castles before. Harrenhal was just dead bodies.


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

it was taken by Rob B, and then he told Stannis to use his military force to hold it.

then when shit went south with Rob and the Lannisters, it became Stannis' spot cuz he was already there holding it w/ his army.

then, when it was time for Stannis to bounce, his army bounced.

you crying like "where's the handmaidens dawg, where's the stable boys?!@?!?!"

dude, it was a military occupying force, not a fucking society.

chill.

Stannis held (ie lived in) that castle for 17 years.

Stannis was given Dragonstone after the Rebellion. Which had been long ended when the show starts.
So, yes.

while this shit has been on TV he's been there 17 years.

cool.

keep readin them books.

lot of long distance travel and not every single day is exciting in Westeros lol. I'm sure the timeline in the show follows whatever it is in the books


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

And the start of the show begins well after the rebellion.

In the show he was clearly there for much longer than two years.

Like no one's chilling in this enormous empty castle. Not even like some bums sleeping inside? No graffiti? I'm surprised they didn't walk in on some naked crackhead just fast asleep on the throne.

Yuuuup.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fc/d3/67/fcd367b1a2a44bac1613aa132d02f1c2--arya-stark-winter-is-coming.jpg

yeah, it's a dope premiere putting the pieces in place.

Good episode all around.

no spiritual progress or epiphany, just straight
"fuck you, plus your weak religion" (c)
to
"I seen crazy visions" (c)
in the same scene

he was left for dead so maybe he was redirected as well and now he can see in the fire.

I'd be a believer too if I saw a vision.

Same thing happened to Paul on his way to Damascus.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

after finally seeing one.

Did the lord of fire manifest to him like Paul?
it felt more like lazy writing to me
He wasn't on a quest
he wasn't searching for meaning
he wasn't asking questions
dude that came back 7 times was asking questions
and the hound was all "ask your stupid god"
in the same breath he gets up
says he only sees logs burning (the classic atheist response)
gets told to look harder
all of a sudden he's a prophet

So the same fire he's feared all his life
is now his spiritual awakening?
I'd believe it more if he was asking questions, doubting, anything
as opposed to FOH

I believe Paul was a persecutor of Christians before his conversion of seeing a vision.

Not sure I get the gripe. Show anyone a vision, they become a believer.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

While they didn't show it on screen, if Jesus hit you with the full 4D 70MM Imax vision you might change your mind too, particularly since they softened him up when he came across the family he robbed and arguably helped push their murder suicide.

clearly he felt some kind of remorse when they go to the cabin

maybe for the first or second time ever

i would say the time was perfect for him to take another step in this process

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ray

He's been on a path to redemption similar to what happened to Jaime

I couldn't think of it.

he buried, it was quick, but that appeared to be general progression

Here's the original scene where he met the farmer and daughter to help with the callback from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKPEEIuU0to

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One minute he's climbing, and the next minute he's bedridden and can't walk.

This is pretty much the same thing IMO.

He went from skeptic to believe because he was given a vision in fire. This is explicit.


This, of course, is after he'd seen Beric brought back to life.

Actually, I don't even recall him being a skeptic, just that he didn't worship the fire god. He still held to the 7, at least enough to try to pray for the dead family.

From what I recall, the issue seemed more along the lines of "that's YOUR god, NOT mine" than "I don't believe in that god" combined with the fact that he has an actual- and understandable- fear of fire.

Sandor may not have been on a quest with a specific mission, but he's absolutely been on a journey since he left King's Landing, and this is a part of it. He's a man who fears fire who winds up consorting with a group who worships a fire god, and joined them after his own group were massacred by their rogues.

There's a lot more setup and context to that moment than you're giving credit for IMO.

I see the wall where it meets the sea
I see a mountain shaped like an arrow head
A white walker is devouring an enormous corpse

Oh shit never mind that's your wife blowing a giant

walked out t he door

After he saved him.

He doesn't WANT to believe

he just wasn't down w/ the squad.

now he's teamLoL

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Vicious ether.

Because he might not have a hand.

He might think you're cocky. "This thing's useful, let me go pick something up."

-(c) Mitch Hedberg

and jaime or franken mountain was gonna cut him down

then they would just commandeer his fleet and kill the iron dudes

A man with both his hands lol

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

wearing a dinner jacket

like literally crazy

but it was a lil less obvious than that jacket


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

and I instantly hate them.

taoubout "I was bored to tears by the premiere-"


F YOU TO HELL.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I don't understand it.

i haven't cried that hard about anything. not even my mama's funeral.
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i seent all of this season's episodes already.

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I laughed so hard I snorted

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and you haven't.

https://youtu.be/dKSJN3WWR3E?t=62

you can hate me now.
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That would have made it a decent joke.

i can't help you, fella.

good luck.
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you'll be alone.

good luck.
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I didn't like the Ed Sheeran cameo

Cercei is too dried up to be offering herself as someones queen

I think Arya will accomplish goal but she'll die in the end

and me and GF were actually angry when it turned out to actually be a UK pop star and actually actually be Ed Sheeran

I've never been so close to throwing popcorn at a TV in my living room

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Why start now with the celebrity appearances?

she's a big fan so they snuck him onto the set to play that character that sits next to her.


which, cool. but nah though.


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

I liked that she told them the truth and they just laughed

i did find it odd that a bunch of armed lannister bannermen didnt question why there was a girl on her own with a sword like immediately

everybody questioned Brienne every step of the way if she was out alone in her gear

for that same reason

so when they didnt i thought for sure something odd was gonna happen

oh gawd is this the rape scene

When that dude in the hall was like "you've changed" and she went blank for a minute I was like "here we go"

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Dude looks like a malnurished middle aged person so it worked.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it's like seeing Tyler Perry or Cornel West in Star Wars.

really?

but Ed Sheeran, an unknown, aspiring actor who could sing and got that small role, nobody would think or say anything at all about that character in that scene.

just didn't like the cameo

i liked it bc i liked his singing for that scene

it actually worked well to me

but he's clearly a little too well-known

GF and I thought it sounded and looked like Stannis from the voice and profile shot, and figured that arm was frostbite and he'd somehow been found dying in that battlefield a day later. In the light of day, though, I realize you'd have to cut a limb that frostbitten off and watching The Ringer's recap show they assume that's Jorah caught mid-turn and getting medical assistance from the Maesters.


Is there any confirmation of who it is, or what's your theory?


Nevermind, apparently the actor confirmed it. Damn interviews and credits, lol.


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Still trying to get with Khaleesi even though he's old and got the greyscale.

>GF and I thought it sounded and looked like Stannis from the
>voice and profile shot, and figured that arm was frostbite and
>he'd somehow been found dying in that battlefield a day later.
>In the light of day, though, I realize you'd have to cut a
>limb that frostbitten off and watching The Ringer's recap show
>they assume that's Jorah caught mid-turn and getting medical
>assistance from the Maesters.
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>Is there any confirmation of who it is, or what's your
>theory?
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>Nevermind, apparently the actor confirmed it. Damn interviews
>and credits, lol.

Brienne doesn't seem like the type to take too many half-measures, at least not in terms of avenging the assassination of a king she once served.

and the CC told us it was Jorah!

we were kinda mad lol

I WAS LIKE DAMN CC SPOILERS BRO SPOILERS!?!?!?

pretty catchy right?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

2. I am sharing what I learned from watching season 7 of GOT. That's what the post is about.

3. You mad?
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its about trolling an innocuous conversation for no good reason.



>2. I am sharing what I learned from watching season 7 of GOT.
>That's what the post is about.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You'll live, sport.

dooooope opener. i'm pleased.

the show is getting pretty predictable to me since it has all these eyes on it now

but still a good set up ep

but yeah
Dany gonna kick arse
Euron's gift will be Tyrion (he was already Dany's gift)
Jamie gonna kill Cersei (maybe via Arya being Jamie)
Arya and the red chick will be interesting
the walkers gonna kick arse
RIP Tormund aka Big Red Homie aka BrienneorBust
the wall coming down last ep

I think the sand snake queen is his gift, he took her prisoner now. She killed Cersei's daughter.

"Euron's gift will be Tyrion (he was already Dany's gift)"

the gift should be the sand snakes...he aint getting to Tyrion without getting through the unsullied

travelin by sea wasn't even introduced until the second ep

tyrion technically coulda traveled but it obviously didn't play out like that

Also, I'm glad Jon Snow knows Littlefinger for the snake that he is. Jon is a real nigga.

i was extremely mad at that, you don't come at someone slick like that, emasculate him, and just walk away.

especially since none of his advisors in wf really had his back on this trip, and especially given who he left in charge.

they gonna get arya there to clean house? i thought they were setting her up to claim her name and then get cut down, but maybe she'll show up and act on bad info...

the naval shit was an amazing scene, but the one before that was nice as well.

Probably from Arya.

i could see that it was just as risky to take littlefinger south, but i'd love a payoff of dude being fed to a dragon.

i'd have hoped daenarys would see through him (especially with varys) but they do tend to be opportunistic.

pretty much all i hope for from got at this point is he gets his. i don't really even care about anyone living through it or who ends up in charge of westeros. dude just better not be the last one standing.

(i hope it is her too, but i really do get nervous about arya this season. she's getting more reckless the closer she gets to home.)

Ramsey fucked him up.

Also - If I remember correctly, Reek saved Sansa or at the very least was instrumental in her escaping. Death is not always answer, without him there is it a guarantee that Sansa is still alive? If no Sansa then does Jon die at the Battle of the bastards?

To steal from Tolkien:

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

One of my favorite quotes from him and I'd place a bet that Reek has a role to play yet.

they grew up together, and now Theon is adrift as Jon was adrift
Theon will pop up later while Jon is in danger and help

I fucks with Yara but she got caught slipping. She knew uncle fratricide was crazy and mad at her for stealing the prime ships, but she down below trying to get pussy? Naw she should have been more aware than that. Honestly doesn't seem in character imo.

I guess we're back to the rapey shit next episode or whenever they reveal the fate of the prisoners

They had no lookouts posted? No warning calls from the other ships? At a min there should have been a call to her that cannons had been fired.

She knew her uncle was a beast, so if she really iron born she shoulda been more on guard than she seemingly was.

I couldn't follow the action - all those shots of the Sand Snakes mashing on people I thought was them getting shots in on Euron for example - but I also felt like it really made Yara and her crew look like total fools. It DID make Euron look like the badass of the seas he's supposed to be so I suppose its a bit of a catch 22. I wish the shots had been choreographed better or the battle in general a little less frenetic either way, like I said a lot of stuff I thought was happening wasn't during that scene.


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

make your heel look like a monster that tanks through pain and laughs at danger at the get go. then you can work on making him beatable later.

I don't watch the trailers or the leaks or the next weeks on so if they spin it as, Man we got too confident having these dragons and this bigass army, I'm there for that. but in the moment it seemed neglectful of how Yara'd been built up.


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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

HBO should have showed what he looked like down there.

you really trying to see some dudes mutilated dick or non mutilated for that matter?

nm I understand why you might find the latter appealing

so basically: http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrvrolBN3S1qcqjd5o1_500.png

If you think about race in got it'll just make you mad. you gotta focus on the drama.

Otherwise spot on lol

Yeah I just watch to see certain DND concepts rendered in CH

Giants, dragons, zombies

I'm really just in it for the potential frost dragon at this point

At any rate they appear to be the "ethnic middle ground" in a show that would only need such characters visually represented as such to keep the PC hounds at bay

If they are described as looking as they do in the books then I stand corrected

Theon
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/s5/theon-greyjoy-1024.jpg

Varys
http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/character/s5/maetser-varys-1024.jpg


Both are castrated.

of a Armenian/Turk/Israeli or whatever

yo Reaching like the Tyrells

that's my only point.
The show definitely does not handle race very well
but an accusation of emasculating it's black characters is not one of those issues. There's only one unsullied who matters. So there's one black character who lacks genitals. Two white ones.

Misread that then

n/m but ugh the way this genre is handled visually at times is just too IDK -- off putting

like how the only thing "dark" in complexion in Lord of the Rings were the Orcs/Trolls

Missandei is from Naarth...aka the butterfly island...Summer Isles
Salador Sahdeen or however you say his name...Summer Isles
Grey Worm...Summer Isles
Scammer Dude who shot his shot at Khaleesi when they were in Qarth...Summer Isles


essentially it's a whole new world that we don't see

that needs its own spinoff show...(I had the idea for the past 2 years)

but yeah...'Summer Isles' = Africa

on Freddie from A different World

i need an extra scene of tyrion or somebody telling him how to please a woman lmao.

and I'm talking swords and spears not tongues and sex organs...

yea, he probably had to read a book or two or something lol.

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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

like wtf

I don't think he got connected with more than twice; like, I could've sworn he was the one that got the dick-stab until I realized he wasn't.

I said it above but I think the way they filmed that scene was fun to look at but very very hard to follow.

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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

and only one or two people in the shot.

they're dropping a lot of action in these last couple seasons, the money's getting spread thin.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

play dirty wit poison on their weapons n ish

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oh, missandei.

j/k

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFeAcXgXcAEBAg4.jpg

jesus christ

you know the whole time Jon thinking like "damn if you will let me finish im gonna put you in charge"
trying to not snap on her in front of company

I CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE?!?! Tired of people second guessing him.

EVERYONE cosigning sansa pissed me off, but i got that.

like, can ya'll confer before the meeting?

both back from the dead one physically and the other emotionally

both are focused on one goal Jon the walkers Sansha the Throne

Sansha won't listen to Jon's requests (shut your mouth) Jon won't listen to hers (stay in the north)

in public this way. Jon is king of the north. if she wanted to run the north, Jon would have had to step off and let her have it, considering she's a Stark. But she didn't, so she needs to fall the fuck back. His control of the north is shaky at best. All she's doing is making it worse, and showing LittleFinger how easy it will be exploit this fracture.

even run for it nor want it

he even said it

she had to 'fall back' by default

I'm a Jon Snow fan like pretty much everybody else in the world BUT
ya'll keep overlooking the fact that he literally fucks up at every turn based on HIS decisions

that was the whole pt of his character in season 6...it's like damn...u done died/came back and you STILL don't get it

then Sansa tells him blatantly...'don't be stuupit' (I like how she says stupid) like father n rob

learned all she knows from her
plus LittleFinger put her up on some manipulation game
when Sansa starts downing wine bottles, it's a wrap

i hop on twitter to find the dank memes from #DemThrones and im dumbfounded by her support. she's was a dumb little girl and now she's a dumb big girl.

but regardless she's dumb dumb dumb.

I was dumbfounded.

She was always a shitty brat and mad folks get raped, chopped up and burned alive but Sansa's wedding night was too much? Gtfoh.

and what she said yesterday wasn't 'dumb'


she basically said...don't trust em
hard to refute that

nobody gets it. the white walkers are coming.
all this provincial bullshit is bullshit.

sort out the politics after you survive.

when he tried what u said they murked him
while I/we feel Jon in the grand scheme of things, Sansa is far from dumb

Jon didn't want to play politics just like Ned

the male Starks are all dumb....honorable/loyal...but dumb

hence why Sansa told him...don't be dumb

"don't do the thing you're doing" isn't strategy. she's trying to side-throne drive the kingdom.

will be real interesting to see how things play out now that she's been handed the keys.

because when they(damn near every male Stark) do what their instincts tell them ,they fuck up


she seems to understand that

so essentially....whatever idea you have Jon...do the opposite and u will prolly be ok



I agree we get to see....I think she will be ok

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Having that dude around is bad business.


Anyone notice it was the Eunuch episode?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

trying to get him to start back

so when the greyworm/missandei thing happens hes like "i dont get it. why is this worth a scene besides the tits"

breh greyworm doesnt have a dick. he's finally getting it in w/ her. this is big victory for the fans.

a few mins later. oh yeah varys doesnt have a dick either.

later in the ep. theon doesnt have a dick either

"damn who does have a dick in this show. why is this a thing"

well most people do. but ser jorah has one however considering he's the king of the friendzone he may as well not have one either.

I swear I don't get why Jon doesn't just stand up in the meetings and be like 'Hol hol hollll up...hollll up...........why is THIS nigga here' and proceed to decapitate him

I guess it's unclear whether the knights of the Vale stayed in the North or went back home, but either way killing Littlefinger could potentially lose the support of one of the larger armies left in the Seven Kingdoms. Or it could force them into outright rebellion against the rest of the north. Or they might not actually support Littlefinger seeing as although he's currently protector of the Vale, Robin is still alive.

haired old dude from the Vale...I forgot his house...it begins w/ a T or R I think

so he has the to worry about ...........Robin

but if I'm Jon

aka ...the nigga focused on one thing and one thing only

I'm not scared of Robin...or LF...or the Vale....even though they just saved me lol...

I'd literally be like ...'does ANYBODY trust THIS nigga here....speak now or forever hold your head....or his because it's coming off right now'

The crown is threatening Jon and the north from the south. The army of the dead is threatening from the north. The Lannisters are currently far too weak to be a threat, so you definitely don't want to give them an ally. One that's in the north especially. We saw how that went with the Boltons.

I'm not sure what Jon's best course of action is with Littlefinger, honestly. Maybe sending Sansa to treat with Robin.

Davos....yeah
Sansa even


Jon.......................literally had whole eps targeted to his lack of it

Jon has definitely struggled with it, but he has his moments. And it's pretty obvious, even to someone like Jon that if you kill the commander of an army while his army is staying in your castle... shit might not go well.

and Jon can go and flex on his lil half cousin...or whatever he is to him

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here?

while a dude with no equipment gets some love from the finest baddest woman in all the 7 kingdoms

Jorah about to get cured and be on some bitter men's rights PUA shit

to tell her he failed

I think

to his sword not once, but twice, I have the feeling it was a suicide note.

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http://www.theroot.com/the-black-persons-guide-to-game-of-thrones-1796847562

Fuck dis nigga mayne

Theon acting real low-T as usual. Tho I guess having a moment of redemption and murking Euron would have been too Hollywood

I'm guessing this was a way to pacify all the complaints about the Dorne storyline, but they died wayyy too quickly and did little killing before death.

and by that im saying the writing and everything feel like its constructed in the heavy handed/overbaked way the dorne one was

out of his message to Jon Snow? Mother of Dragons said invite him and "bend the knee."

if he tells him that then Snowman wouldn't even come.

I kind of wanted him to fuck up one of his bannermen when they were whining about shit.

for speaking out of turn while the White Wolf is talking

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Lots of silliness here. And shit is moving at a breakneck pace. It's dizzying.

Taking massive L's so far.

The Red Witch is gangster as fuck too.

Also fucking Littlefinger.

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When he was on some,

"Yeah, don't let the door hit you on the way out my nigga, I better not see you in these streets"

and she was like,

"I can't promise that, my fate is to die on these foreign lands, same exact fate as you" (paraphrased)

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she just had such a "matter of fact, by the way, oh you thought you won" face bruh.

Sht was magic.

I think not.

Haha. Davos killed it. Those Jon-Dany meet up scenes were worth the wait.

dude looks high as fuck in this episode LOL

Came off as super skeevy, and there were a million and five other ways to show off his omniscient power.

you think jon snow is moving quick

And borderline fetishizes it

Who after not seeing a close family member for years starts off by bringing up the worse moment of her life?

He could have brought up Brienne saving her and Theon....her and Theon escaping from the castle....even her time with Tyrion...

Instead he brings up her rape and further cements this shows infuriating interactions with and about women. (which doesn't mean I won't still be watching cause I will, but nonetheless the show still has a big Achilles heel when it comes to women).

He doesn't even have any emotions. He's supposed to go to the worst possible thing there.

I don't buy that he is so far into his raven training that he would completely not know how to interact with his own family and especially his sensitive sister.

only racial analysis on these boards :)

But still!!

he clearly doesn't know how to interact w/ ppl rn w/ the burden of the 3ER powers.

He could talk about her standing by her father's side as he was beheaded, for example, and how sorry he is about all that followed, and it'd imply he'd witnessed all of it without directly referencing her rape. these two haven't seen each other face to face since, what, episode 2? there's a lot to chew on there.


I don't think it's a horrible mistake, but like other people have said it is this show's biggest flaw.


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Jaden Smith is the 3ER.

Euron boomin too hard rn.

sm damn h

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SMH.

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Yeah, Varys and Tyrion are some of the smartest men in the world, but them niggas aint really fight any wars (Tyrion just had to play defense at Kings Landing when he was the hand). Lannisters been continously fighting wars since the series started when they killed Ned starting the whole split of the kingdom.

Euron's bread and butter is sea battles and piracy and it was even more apparent how deep the Lannister bench is during that scene when Jamie rolled up to Tyrell with his general uncle he poached earlier in the season and motherfucking Bronn.

With her refusing to use the nuclear options (dragons, drothraki) the edge is def. with team Cersei...its nuts those 3 alliances Dany pushed for(Dorne, The greyjoy sisters navy, tyrellls) are basically all dead an episode later. Never bet against the home team.

* = them and their crews.

Cersei: will you allow these foreign invading dothraki (mexicans) to roam your lands, your home?

Dany: stick to traditional campaign strategy against an unconventional unpredictable foe
our coalition (whose only motivation is they all hate cersei trump) will get us over!

I think Jon will save the day for Dany, on some familial ties shit
one of the dragons will recognize him as half targaryen
and Jon will ride off and roast half of King's Landing
paying off his dragon glass debt

cersei isn't a complete idiot but she's been known to be slow on the uptick and now all of a sudden she's playing well...she's been acting out of desperation for like over a decade and now suddenly has forethought lol

whereas Tyrion is the one acting impulsive with the symbolic win of Casterly Rock

That the walk of shame/death of her last kid has taught her to re-do her strategy.

Her problem was consistently that she thinks she's smarter then she actually is; (I feel like Tywin said something along those lines earlier in the show).

But it seems like she's listening to Jamie + co more because old Cersei wouldda ran to defend Casterly rock. That said, the scene when her and Jamie were fucking and she ain't wanna hide it might negate all I said above, lol.



>cersei isn't a complete idiot but she's been known to be slow
>on the uptick and now all of a sudden she's playing
>well...she's been acting out of desperation for like over a
>decade and now suddenly has forethought lol
>
>whereas Tyrion is the one acting impulsive with the symbolic
>win of Casterly Rock

I'm queen you might just enter my suite and see an erect horse in there. You got something to say? O, that's what I thought.

There was a very clear 'No' said and he seemed very against the idea of being with her. A very strong case could be made for spousal assault.

:(

>There was a very clear 'No' said and he seemed very against
>the idea of being with her. A very strong case could be made
>for spousal assault.

You might be right.

like her brother.

She got two good "generals" in Jamie and Euron. Plus the dude that beat Robert in battle. She's just the President with a good cabinet.

her schemes tend to fail miserably tho

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

she's like a rabid mother bear who's eaten like 7 precise head shots and mauls dead trees but still ends up surviving...

she cleans up her own severe shitshows through plot armor and desperation

she knew the prophecy with her kids but she was pigheaded...

like Jon Snow

no sons, no daughters, no family really, no home. she just wants to watch the world burn and suffer for her suffering.


she's got a very, very clear focus now, which she didn't when she was playing petty games with the queen that ultimately wound up with her naked in the middle of the street.


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I don't think it's bad character writing at all.

This is like a typical WWE Wrestling Match. The Peoples Champ will look defeated and then pull out the win at the last second
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

you let the heel take too big of a hit now they arent a legit heal, Lannisters looking like keystone cops


Dany looking way too dominant


gotta bring everyone back to the middle so people are hype for wrestlemania

Cersei's gown is magnificent, didn't realize how superb it is until this episode. Perfect dress for a Queen who became Queen by blowing up a religious institution.

Sansa and Dany too have been looking really confident and boss-like in their costumes...everything is dark and foreboding and I fucks with it.

Even the men have been dressed carefully, Jon Snow looking like a fucking Savior in that gatdamn wolf cape. (the man bun is terrible for him but whatever) Tyrion looking sharp and exactly like a Hand of the King (Queen). Even Sam is looking every bit the lowly apprentice at the Citadel.

Bravo to whomever is making the costumes.

Im with you, wish theyd lose the man bun and give Jon the shaved head/beared grizzled vet combo.

But anything other than that man bun would be an improvement.

she's finally looking like top aide to a queen and not just a civilian with a comfy government gig.


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standing in front of Lady Olenna. dude's armor is dope as fuck.

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>Even the men have been dressed carefully, Jon Snow looking
>like a fucking Savior in that gatdamn wolf cape. (the man bun
>is terrible for him but whatever)

If I recollect correctly he started rocking the military high and tight after losing his right

Jon figured out that hair gotta be tied back when it's time to squab.

after Missandei dropped the Desus & Mero podcast intro for Dany, Davos was like "uh, this is Jon Snow"

But recovered later and came through as he'd done for Stannis

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they were doing the akas


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

in regards to Jon almost himself being a White Walker, at least in the aspects of him also returning from the dead.

It'll be interesting to see if that tidbit of info slips out since Dany took note of it when she asked Tyrion about it later on in the episode.

They weren't there, so someone would have had to tell them of the resurrection. I don't recall anyone sending any ravens regarding Jon getting killed much less him coming back to life.

its just that they seem to be tapped into to the goings on of the world pretty quickly, especially vaerys and his "little birds"

>its just that they seem to be tapped into to the goings on of
>the world pretty quickly, especially vaerys and his "little
>birds"

I'd be impressed if his little birds had knowledge of what goes on in The Wall. I would think that would require that he'd have a snitch inside The Wall, which I don't think is the case. I don't remember him being too excited about hearing of Jon arriving to Dragonstone, so I don't think he's aware of Jon being a low grade White Walker himself.

Speaking of his little birds, doesn't it look bad on his part that he wasn't able to sniff out the little underhanded actions Cersei had brewing in King's Landing? I thought that's where the majority of his little birds operated.

>>its just that they seem to be tapped into to the goings on
>of
>>the world pretty quickly, especially vaerys and his "little
>>birds"

>
>Speaking of his little birds, doesn't it look bad on his part
>that he wasn't able to sniff out the little underhanded
>actions Cersei had brewing in King's Landing? I thought that's
>where the majority of his little birds operated.


Remember he lost a good group of his birds at King's Landing to Cersei's right hand.

BROLIC.

tried to be nice about fighting a war.

Cersei's rampant paranoia is actually helping her now because everyone IS her enemy, instead of her just imagining them to be.

I look at Euron's success as a slight bonus for Cersei but not a game changer, as the Ironborn suck on land.

Jaime using the Robb Stark tactic was TIGHT.

did Jamie think Tyrion killed Joffrey up to that point? Is that another potential wedge between him and Cersei?

Also RIP to a true OG.

Tyrion was like "are you really asking if I killed him?"
Jamie nodded in agreement

He went along with Cersei in her rage, but when she ran down Tyrion's motives he stood silent

He helped Tyrion escape. Would he do that if he thought he killed his son?

>did Jamie think Tyrion killed Joffrey up to that point? Is
>that another potential wedge between him and Cersei?
>
I dont believe he thinks Tyrion killed Joffrey, but he knows he killed their father during the escape he facilitated.

I almost expected her to belch afterwards

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Did she send all of the unsullied to Casterly Rock?

Just so dope because we the audience know they each have so much back story that the other has no clue about and we look forward to them learning it about each other. Rather than the scene being a climax, it felt like the beginning of something.

Only Olenna can make getting defeated and killed look like a G move and have her conquerers feeling outsmarted.

What'd you think all the dragons were for?!??! Time to let loose the beasts.




>AKA Game of Dimepieces.
>
>Tonight it's back for a seven episode run to the usual ten.
>
>The creators said this season is part one of the end. Cercei
>has got to get got.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

http://roastedlikeever.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Jorah_web-1.jpg

breh

!!!!

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She'll get the hang of it. I predict she doesn't die by the end of the saga. She's the closest thing to her mom. And she was no slouch.

But now the RN present.

She look like she got a little wet at his reluctance to treat her like the "queen"

same as ol what's his name

In regards to everyone loves what theyre good at. She gave him the "damn this dude is real and my lady parts just vibrated" look.

I hope it's fake

I have a feeling Sansa is going to ruin everything with her dumb jealousy. Bran is some sort of three eyes magician. Arya is a ninja assassin face stealer. Jon is King of The North, The White Wolf, Killer of White Walkers, Banger of Dragons. And Sansa is......mopey mcmope face give me credit for something.

I'm putting all my chips in Arya's basket at this point.

Sansa is delusional and scared. She keeps depending on a man to take over and solve her problems.

Honestly I feel like HBO is gearing us up for a big let down. We're going to end up with a Sopranos finale.

Guess those hackers werent kidding

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/4/16094764/game-of-thrones-episode-4-leak-hack-star-india-hbo

Shit is crazy

Do I wait or do I watch it ?

I had no issues with it

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Cotdamn!
Cotdamn!

Now that's a fucking ending.

Littlefinger shook too.

And all of the Stark kids are back?!

Good shit.

dude is like...so how about that southern weather?

He realized he's out of his depth now that Bran and Ayra back in town.

kill everything

AND NEITHER OF THEM LIKE YO SHADY ASS

Finally enough with the clever plans

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which i'm pretty sure Dany just took during that overwhelming attack

Now Cersi gonna have to come at her to get it back

>which i'm pretty sure Dany just took during that overwhelming
>attack
>
>Now Cersi gonna have to come at her to get it back


Randall Tarly said the gold made its way to the gates of Kings Landing.

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I thought Dany and crew would seize it.
How the gold make it already when Jamie just looked at it earlier in the episode?!

>I thought Dany and crew would seize it.
>How the gold make it already when Jamie just looked at it
>earlier in the episode?!


They rushed the gold to KL. The train that Danaerys hit was the harvest from the Highgarden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj0szgZ19zQ

we gotta stay back with this grain but I gotta pay this greasy dude before he gets other ideas and then you ride along real quick like scene.

the timelines are getting hard on this show with how much ground they need to cover every hour but it does make for super visceral TV. you just have to keep in mind some scenes are months apart from each other and other scenes are simultaneous.

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Especially since they overtook the books.
They were inconsistent with it before, but with them racing toward the finish line, anyone can be anywhere at anytime.
To me, it's extremely jarring.

There's tons of example of this.

>Especially since they overtook the books.
>They were inconsistent with it before, but with them racing
>toward the finish line, anyone can be anywhere at anytime.
>To me, it's extremely jarring.
>
>There's tons of example of this.


I don't disagree with you and Nodima that that timelines are sometimes off but I don't think there is problem in this instance.

The dialogue and scene locations should be enough of a give away to explain both what is going on and passage the of time.

Game of Thrones 7x04 "Jaime Pays Bronn"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bla0tbj8D4I

Game of Thrones 7x04 "Dickon"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj0szgZ19zQ

with a movie you go in understanding that each scene is its own thing, but you only have to watch the one movie so huge gaps in time between scenes is just a language we don't understand. with TV we're used to things being far more chronological and tight from moment to moment.


it's harder to wrap our heads around concurrent scenes actually happening several moths apart from each other, or for example most of Bran's scenes in season 6 technically happening during most of the events of season 5.


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to this Kool G Rap rarity


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQBd6mK8lAU


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Jamie thinking he could win the war by spearing a Dragon was not dope. Dude is pussy whipped. Maybe this will be a wake up call for the one handed man.

man...

way took Olenna's

Jon said "your people follow you because you're different. You did something they thought was impossible, so they think you can make other impossible things happen as well -- like changing the world as they know it (societal order/hierarchy). But if you cities and melt castles, you won't be different you'll just be doing more of the same."

Unless you're saying that the subtext of what Jon was saying is to not use the dragons in cities or on castles but in the open field of battle...
And I suppose that could have been the "between the lines" of what he said, but it's definitely not the explicit advise her gave her.

he was saying you can't just go burn down KL because there are people there who will die and the citizens who are left to rule won't respect you they'll only fear you...BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT...an army is an army so if you go smoke them, hey, it's just war and you have the best weapon.

she's literally doing the exact same thing her family has been doing

that's the opposite of what he's advising

when she asks for his advice, his opening line is:

"i never thought that dragons would exist again...no one did"

then he says "the people who follow you know you made something impossible happen. maybe that helps them believe that you can make other impossible things happen"

then he says "but if you use them (the dragons) to burn castles and melt cities, you're not different, you're just more of the same."

so, he's saying that she can't go just melting King's Landing because the people won't support her, but she can use what she's done (birthing and using dragons) to inspire and get her people to be strong behind her.

and really, isn't defeating the entire Lannister army in about 2 minutes something most people would think...impossible?

the Dothraki to KL


well...he suggested

I dont see how people are missing this. They forget Jon is a battle hardened dude now. He would never in a million years say "dont use your dragons on Cersei's army, thats not fair." He knows soldiers gotta die, specially lannister soldiers. Hes killed lots of soldiers. He simply said if you take the easy way to victory youll be killing civilians and burning down a city, like your dad and Cersei. He meant use your dragons elsewhere, which she did.

she really just split the difference between the advice

the implication is leave the dragons out of it by Rob...him and Tyrion seemed to agree on that

Ty is just out of his league at the moment

think about what Jon actually wants from her...

he'd like her to ignore the war to the south and help him defeat the white walkers...so why would he encourage the war...the war that if she wins will force him to bend the knee

nah, i think he's saying do the impossible and stop being a typical Targ subjugate-fiend

yes, he's not against war but it doesn't really sound like he wants her flying around with the dragons all willy-nilly

she listened but didn't fully take his advice...she took Olenna's advice more than anything

Jon Snow isnt some naive dude. He knows its a war and soldiers have to die. Hes killed soldiers himself. He was saying you cant go burning down cities and killing civilians. That would make her no different from Cersei. He wasnt implying she cant use her dragons and burn up Lannister soldiers. She def listened and took her advice, which is why she attacked a supply line instead of heading for the Red Keep

whole episode felt like it was building for a heel turn, like maybe he spots Tyrion on the hill or he just snags the gold and runs amidst all the chaos, but something made him choose to stay and go get on that Scorpion. at first it seemed like he was developing a real "what the fuck am I doing here?" vibe trying to fight his way to that thing, but then all of a sudden he's working it and seemed like he was really, really angry at that dragon and he didn't care about anything else as long as he took it out.

maybe (probably?) he just saw killing the dragon as a bigger payday than the bag he lost but maybe there was more to it.


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the "what the fuck am i doing here"

1 bolt pretty much brought Drogon down...

inasmuch as anyone can know anything about something so ridiculous as dragons, lol.

but most stories with dragons make it a point to illustrate how invincible dragons see themselves; the LotR dragons specifically see themselves as unkillable, and that hubris leads them to become old and curmudgeonly and overconfident and susceptible to sneak attacks or forgetting their vulnerabilities.

and most importantly dragons don't know much about pain usually (back to LotR, Smaug was killed by a single mostly regular arrow to the exposed spot on his belly), and when they do feel it they basically home in on whatever made them feel that sensation and roast it or tail swat it or crush it or eat it. just because Drogon got knocked out of the sky doesn't mean he was actually all that disabled; he still crushed the buildings on his feet, and his head was still on a swivel while Dany tried to get that arrow out. To me he landed more out of a desire to roast that bow and let Dany get off his back and pull that thing out than necessarily he was crippled and totally couldn't fly.

I'm sure one of these dragons if not all of them dies at some point but I'm glad they didn't let Bronn get that shot to the eye (ie. the shot to the belly in LotR) on the first shot. Then again, it'd also be cool if one of these dragons got to sleep on a mountain of gold by the end of this war.

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You're right, he wasn't dying, or anything. But from what we know of the dragons (and the history of Westeros), I think they should be able to shake off a couple bolts given they aren't hit in the eye or something.

that apparently this scene lifted a lot from called the Field of Fire from one of the historical collections about this universe, a pivotal moment of which was a dragon being knocked to the ground and having to be guarded for a time while it healed. so I think in the GoT world dragons are a little more vulnerable overall than other dragons in other stories.


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The big difference being that historical battle was the only time during Aegon's Conquest that ALL THREE of his dragons fought in a single battle.

I've been trying to not go off into book stuff too much.
I'll hafta check out that section in one of the books when I get back home, I don't recall Vhagar having to be protected but it's very possibly that happened.

One of the criticisms that a lot of hardcore fans have of the universe is that technology hasn't advanced at all in hundreds of years. So these scorpions existed 300 years ago when Dany's ancestor Aegon came over and conquered the Seven Kingdoms. In the time between then and now in the current story line men killed dragons with things like spears and scorpion bolts, so they're certainly not invulnerable. But the same 3 dragons that came over in the conquest also lived for hundreds of years, and through many battles. Which is why to me, one bolt, the first one to hit it, from only the second shot fired, seems a little too easy.

I'll check that book when I get home though.

I think I said it in the PTP thread but now that the show is ahead of the books by so much, I take a lot of the pulling from the book stuff as fan theories as much as potential spoilers. I successfully held myself from ever knowing what R+L was for six seasons, now I really don't care if I read about maybe Joffrey was involved with this thing or perhaps there's a thing that makes it easier for Jon to do a thing.


I've learned enough of the show is blending multiple stories into one or completely sidestepping a semi-important subplot to give a main character more weight in the story that I don't get put off by book talk anymore, I kinda love it.


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when Bran told Littlefinger that "chaos is a ladder" I about pissed my pants, damn that shit was dope.

I love Bronn but I kind of wanted him to die tonight.

Davos crushing on Missandei is the funniest/cutest thing ever. Dude's been around the world and still never seen anything like that.

What are they going to call that battle? The Roasting on the Rose Road?

>Davos crushing on Missandei is the funniest/cutest thing ever.
>Dude's been around the world and still never seen anything
>like that.

See, the interesting thing in that scene to me was both Davos and Jon trying to stir up dissension by implying Daneris was pretty much a slaver. I didn't think those two would be so underhanded while pretty much being held captive by Daneris; I wonder if Missandei will report that back her.

She "frees" people to come work for her essentially.
Missandei, yes, she might let her leave.
But if the Dothraki or Unsullied wanted to leave en mass Dany would have a fucking fit.

>She "frees" people to come work for her essentially.
>Missandei, yes, she might let her leave.
>But if the Dothraki or Unsullied wanted to leave en mass Dany
>would have a fucking fit.


My overall point was that trying to divide and conquer in that situation is very risky because Missandri could easily report back to Daneris what Jon and Davos tried to do. Both Jon and Davos are stranded in her keep and Jon needs the mine the Dragonglass from her lands as well, so he's not in much of a position to try to ruffle too many feathers.

it was just questioning Dany

bc she plays the liberator but is just a prettier typical Targ...

they know that family's history...the people serving her are new to this pattern

hes gone now


seems to be necessary for him to be able to full embrace the time travel paradox

the way Jojen did when they first met.

maybe you can only do that with over Greenseers though.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Also he knew what he was doing when he gave Ayra that dagger.

I totally think he is setting in motion the shmurdering of Littlefinger.


>the way Jojen did when they first met.
>
>maybe you can only do that with over Greenseers though.
>
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>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

rather than just dropping subtle references in conversation, he's rolling up in LF's dreams of domination as a raven leading him on wild goose chases through his memories and ambitions.


...man, I wish this show wasn't planning to end.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

if he sees everything the he knows LF inside and out


including how he meets his demise

which is why i chuckled when sansa says the line about "Getting something back"

and hes like here take this dagger lol


arya is like ya ill give him something back,the pointy end of this knife

hed be going marty mcfly just trying to manipulate the future lol

but we want him to somehow retain that humanity for what

his whole scope of of good and evil is like "but did you die?" at this point

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"There's a fine line between persistence and foolishness..."
-unknown

"To Each His Reach"

When Samwell's dad was like "the head of the lion is ambushed the tail will never be able to reinforce in time"

then........


BLAKKKAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

(also perfect that it was Bronn who made fun of Dickon's name)

Now way I'm holding he line with a dragon flying over some wild looking dudes standing on horses

Holding the shields shaking and shit all nervous. You know they were looking around waiting for one dude to shout "fuck this!" and run off and they all would have followed. Got a bunch of niggas with beard braids AND a dragon? SHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIT

they weren't ready.

and then the Dragon showed up.

Fuck that, hang me for deserting, just don't let me get burned and ashed like a gotdamn marshmellow on a stick.

-idk why people doubt the Unburnt
-i seen almost ALL of this coming
-curious to see how the Theon angle works out
-The Elon Musk/Steve Jobs of Westeros aka Qyburn gotta go back to the lab lol
-I don't like how they settin up this Missandei conspiracy thing

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

Rat

i think it's hogwash

but they are using a lot of dialogue to uncover where she is from/who she is/etc

To build to a season where everything you've waited to see for 8 season is delivered on a weekly basis is pure joy.

Arya completing her batman-like training to be a master assasian able to spar effortlessly with the greatest warrior still standing?

The Dothraki finally getting to go up against some slow clunky armored Westeros Army?

Dragons finally being let loose to do there thing with the Khalessi riding them?

Bron being Bron?

Missandei looking bad AF?

Sansa out cunning Littlefinger and Littlefinger lost because he can't control or manipulate things like he use to?



Man this shit is delivering.


Makes you wonder whether ultimately George RR Martin is a cynical pessimistic sadist who will revisit bad things to the children of Winterfell or whether he is an optimistic who likes happy endings and we get to see these kids after so much bad shit prevail and win the day.


>AKA Game of Dimepieces.
>
>Tonight it's back for a seven episode run to the usual ten.
>
>The creators said this season is part one of the end. Cercei
>has got to get got.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

no way she gets to use all that power and go on living her best life
I think Jaqen or someone like him will come to collect after she takes out LF or Cersei
I'm also expecting some Wire ending where Sansa is the new Cersei

is no price for her to pay for her killing gangs of people.

I can see and ending where they get what they want but it ain't a happy ending.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

is no price for her to pay for her killing gangs of people.

I can see and ending where they get what they want but it ain't a happy ending.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

You see glimpses of the Arya we first met in Season 1 and wandered the world with in 2-4, but she's a cold blooded killer now and they're really playing up her animalistic qualities with the way she eats and has conversations with people. She's not as obviously broken as Bran but she's clearly not capable of being a regular person in society anymore.


I have a feeling she's going to be given the gift of death near the end of the show rather than live a life based on revenge with no one left to deliver vengeance to. I imagine 60 years of looking for something else to kill would be a pretty dark life.


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

even with the blonde blonde hair and features

she looks like someone you would see on the 2/3 uptown

Pretty sure Dothraki army has at least 1 bachata musician per 10 house riders.

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...since homie didn't. i'm guessing that NONE of them will in this season at least.....The element of surprise was the best thing they had going, and that's over

i dont really get that

i think Jon will ride the one named after his dad

chaos is a ladder mean?

Dany is serious about bending the knee. Why?

Bran is just letting him know his powers.

as to what Littlefinger is trying to get out of the deal.

He's been super quiet and extra slimy.

The do need him because he's got a sizable army and is the lord of the vale, a big part of the North.

On the flip, everyone in a leadership position loathes him and he can't work his machinations the way he wants to. He's kinda hit the highest he could...obviously him fucking/marrying Sansa would hit both his creepy personal goals AND his professional goals since he's one assassin knife away from being defacto King of the North, but that aint gonna happen.

It's going to be interesting to see if he's got any more schemes left to pull off.

get that wrapped up

now LF is not needed

especially now that things are so chaotic; it would be interesting to see how he survives in this landscape.

so all his maneuvers have basically left him with no advantage or leverage


in fact hes probably in the worst possible situation for himself since dancing around the truth doesnt work here

If you think back him and Varys would have arguments/discussions on how best to influence the country from the shadows those first few seasons.

Varys would take the position that as long as the regular citizens were safest that was most important and that's when Littlefinger gave his 'chaos is a ladder' speech basically talking about how all the war+chaos+beef is an opportunity to move up in life if you play it right (basically laying down his own philosophy on life).

When Bran said it, it was a 'I see what you trying to do nigga, dont play me' moment to Littlefinger

>chaos is a ladder mean?
>
>Dany is serious about bending the knee. Why?

so, while i'm not exactly sure what that means, the fact that Bran threw that at him when he brought up chaos let LF know that Bran has some extra shit about himself and it either scares or intrigues LF (probably both).

oh i guess its not from him and cersei about another convo?

This conversation happened down in the basement of King's Landing surrounded by those dragon skulls as well if I recall. But they had two conversations like this, the other one being in the royal chamber, and Im thinking as I type this that maybe this conversation happened there. Anyway:

Lord Varys: A thousand blades, taken from the hands of Aegon's fallen enemies. Forged in the fiery breath of Balerion the Dread.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: There aren't a thousand blades. There aren't even two hundred. I've counted.

Lord Varys: Heh. I'm sure you have. Ugly old thing.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: It has a certain appeal.

Lord Varys: The Lysa Arryn of chairs. Shame you had to settle for your second choice.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: Early days, my friend. It is flattering really, you feeling such dread at the prospect of me getting what I want.

Lord Varys: Thwarting you has never been my primary ambition, I promise you. Although, who doesn't like to see their friends fail now and then.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: You're so right. For instance, when I thwarted your plan to give Sansa Stark to the Tyrells, if I'm going to be honest, I did feel an unmistakable sense of enjoyment there. But your confidant, the one who fed you information about my plans, the one you swore to protect... you didn't bring her any enjoyment, and she didn't bring me any enjoyment. She was a bad investment on my part. Luckily, I have a friend who wanted to try something new. Something daring. And he was so grateful to me for providing this fresh experience.

Lord Varys: I did what I did for the good of the realm.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: The realm. Do you know what the realm is? It's the thousand blades of Aegon's enemies, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it's a lie.

Lord Varys: But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Game of Thrones - Littlefinger "Chaos Is A Ladder"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlIraEV8n4

Mance Ryder

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-subtle-moment-when-jon-snow-finally-knew-something-on-game-of-thrones_us_59873f2ee4b041356ec07617


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Jon told the same thing to Mance that Daenerys is telling him.

also, he may have bent the knee in that cave and we just don't know yet.

part of me was thinking, man, Jon got his first in a cave, he's probably really, really into fucking in caves.


I don't often get into "that character should really get with this character" stuff but the way those two actors look at each other makes it feel like it's really gotta happen soon whether she's his aunt or not. nobody seems to care THAT much about that in this world anyway. Everybody's fair game in Dorne, Missandei's from a place where marriage isn't even a concept, and the richest family in Westeros is famous for fucking each other.


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

it made sense how conflicted he was watching the battle, but I'm starting to wonder if its something a little more. Both of his attack plans backfired horribly, and the one he advised against worked. Short of saying he's the rat, he might still be too much of a Lannister to be reliable in a war against the lannisters.

hence the dialogue between him n Coach Davos

his isn't a loyalty question
but moreso a he is not as smart/gifted as he thinks he is issue

but he was playing the Tywinn/Dick Cheney role to Joffrey

>hence the dialogue between him n Coach Davos
>
>his isn't a loyalty question
>but moreso a he is not as smart/gifted as he thinks he is
>issue

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But wasn't Tyrion basically bailed out by Tywin bringing back the Riverlands troops?

>But wasn't Tyrion basically bailed out by Tywin bringing back
>the Riverlands troops?

Tywin and Loras and them showed up at the end when Stannis started getting the upper hand, but i'd argue that without Tyrion's wildfire strategies, and his all out bravery, and rallying the troops after Joffrey ran to his mommy, Stannis and them would have sacked King's Landing in like 12 minutes. Even Cersei gave him credit (privately) for saving the city

he achieved a holding effort that was verging on a defeat.

he isn't the military mind that he (an ya'll lol) think's he is

like they all but spelled it out in every ep this season

Similar to when Arya met up with those random lannisters who were just regular dudes the Lannister army aren't inherently evil.

Note they even had a weird moment when Jamie/Bronn had to talk the commander NOT to violently force his soldiers to pick up the pace back to Kings Landing right before the dragon scene.

Its rough seeing people get brutally massacred and tortured for just 'following orders' particularly when the only person in his family who ever showed him kindness, his brother, is involved on the torturee side, lol

This wasn't a case of just a bad death on a battlefield; Dany set off the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. Everyone should feel a ways about it.

They've been hinting at Dany flirting with going full bloodthirsty and I think showing Tyrion being disturbed at the scene is more about to give a juxtaposition to the relief we feel at finally seeing those dragons at work (and the rush Dany presumably feels too) versus them murdering thousands of people on screen.

>Similar to when Arya met up with those random lannisters who
>were just regular dudes the Lannister army aren't inherently
>evil.
>
>Note they even had a weird moment when Jamie/Bronn had to talk
>the commander NOT to violently force his soldiers to pick up
>the pace back to Kings Landing right before the dragon scene.
>
>Its rough seeing people get brutally massacred and tortured
>for just 'following orders' particularly when the only person
>in his family who ever showed him kindness, his brother, is
>involved on the torturee side, lol
>
>This wasn't a case of just a bad death on a battlefield; Dany
>set off the fantasy equivalent of a nuke. Everyone should
>feel a ways about it.
>
>They've been hinting at Dany flirting with going full
>bloodthirsty and I think showing Tyrion being disturbed at the
>scene is more about to give a juxtaposition to the relief we
>feel at finally seeing those dragons at work (and the rush
>Dany presumably feels too) versus them murdering thousands of
>people on screen.

hell, most didn't believe they existed.

so to see that mass destruction? I can see why Tyrion was looking like "ohh shit"

villain archetype in that battle

their was moral and emotional conflict within all combatants.

It wasn't us watching Joffery or Ramsey or Cersei and explicitly being they gotta die. I need them to die.

one of the battle's best moments was Jamie looking around in disbelief, knowing his men, his people, not only had no chance, but ultimately for some gold and his wild as sister.

Then he still said I gotta kill this women with the dragon and I'm taking my chance...

Even Danny saw her confidence waiver as the scorpion hit. She knew it/she/they weren't invincible.

just really well executed

by Dany.

What's Tyrion's going to do when if they defetat Cersei and Jayme other than have them killed?

I also think he has mixed motives. Maybe he doesn't want to make a run at King's Landing because he doesn't want to see his family killed?

I don't think he is purposely sabotaging though.


>it made sense how conflicted he was watching the battle, but
>I'm starting to wonder if its something a little more. Both of
>his attack plans backfired horribly, and the one he advised
>against worked. Short of saying he's the rat, he might still
>be too much of a Lannister to be reliable in a war against the
>lannisters.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but the fact that he's going against his home and his people, and the inner conflict it's causing is making him more a liability than an assert. in this war anyway.

She dropped bombs like:

Cersei Lannister: You want to be Hand of the King? You want to rule? This is what ruling is; lying on a bed of weeds, ripping them out by the root, one by one, before they strangle you in your sleep!

Tyrion Lannister: I'm no king, but I think there's more to ruling than that.

Cersei Lannister: I don't care what you think! You've never taken it seriously; you haven't, Jaime hasn't! It's all fallen on me.

Tyrion Lannister: As has Jaime repeatedly, according to Stannis Baratheon.

Cersei Lannister: You're funny. You've always been funny, but none of your jokes will match the first one, will they? Do you remember, back when you ripped my mother open on your way out of her and she bled to death?

Tyrion Lannister: She was my mother too.

Cersei Lannister: Mother gone, for the sake of you. There's no bigger joke in the world than that.


And that was when he still thought he liked her a little. It's only gotten worse since then. He hid in a barrel filled of his own shit for months to get away from her, he's not gonna suddenly have second thoughts.

It's Jaime, a love for the common man because he regularly kicked it in the bars after hours with those people and his bloodline holding him back.


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

he hates Cersei. He still loves Jamie, he's still fond of Bron. King's landing was his home. He once served their people. it's complicated.

he's got a lot going through his head, but ultimately he's gonna side with whoever's taking Cersei down and he knows he can't do that from the inside. last night was more about realizing there's an iron price to pay for his actions and associations if he's really 'bout it than planting suspicions he's gonna flip on the dragons. the show's spent too much time building him to where he is now, including the monologue he delivered directly to a dragon, for him to be the mole IMO.


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

>he's got a lot going through his head, but ultimately he's
>gonna side with whoever's taking Cersei down and he knows he
>can't do that from the inside. last night was more about
>realizing there's an iron price to pay for his actions and
>associations if he's really 'bout it than planting suspicions
>he's gonna flip on the dragons. the show's spent too much time
>building him to where he is now, including the monologue he
>delivered directly to a dragon, for him to be the mole IMO.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~
>"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

and Jamie still his boy so he didnt want him to bite it

>and Jamie still his boy so he didnt want him to bite it

>and the one he advised
>against worked.

You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss this aspect; this wasn't a plan he had any hands in, so the mixture of his pride being bruised and the unease of not knowing what's going to happen next since he has no control over what's going down could be why he's so conflicted and stressed.

>>and the one he advised
>>against worked.
>
>You shouldn't be so quick to dismiss this aspect; this wasn't
>a plan he had any hands in, so the mixture of his pride being
>bruised and the unease of not knowing what's going to happen
>next since he has no control over what's going down could be
>why he's so conflicted and stressed.

I can understand why he'd feel conflicted about seeing Jamie catch an L on the battlefield and potentially die, but all he'd have to do is ask himself what his life would be like in King's Landing with Cirsei in control. Self-preservation should trump any feelings of regret he has pertaining to Jamie, at least in my opinion.

so I get the conflicted feelings he has seeing his brother almost feel that hot hot heat

is somewhat interesting since the Sir Friendzone that got the hook up from Dr. Zizmor is on his way back to Daenerys. Should be interesting to see how he's received.

Tyrion is brilliant but he's in an odd position...

better for him to advise with someone with a bit less emotions tied into the lannisters

going for casterly rock was idiotic...the other moves were great moves by Euron and Jaime

that know how to make war


tyrion is good...with people


i dont know he's whod i want for advice on war matters

If this was still the Joffrey era before the gears of war were really grinding taking Casterly Rock would have been a big and easy blow like Tyrion thought.

The problem is we're years into a war where formerly the best competitor, Robb, big thing was sneak attacks and unconventional warfare. (i remember one of the big characters, mighta been Tywin himself, saying how Robb appeared to be everywhere at once).

Jamie even gave Robb props and said he used his tactics during that convo with the Queen of Thorns last episode.

Early Cersei would have sent her whole army to protect the rock, but this is a new day. They need some more griminess in that war council, lol. They better holla at Bronn. Tyrion is still smart and would do well in a war, but he ain't been in the planning trenches for the past five (ten years maybe in tv time) since the kingtom splintered like the Lannisters

so he had no reason to believe Casterly Rock wouldn't be a huge get

he also knew which of his allies was weak and full of coin

i think it was a weak move bc it was a move against morale and after the red wedding...you gotta think much bigger than that

They made a big deal about him poring through the realm's finances when he was MoC for Joffrey, and how Littlefinger had just been moving debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Rya1JlUac

At the very least, he knew that the realm didn't control as much as the crown had borrowed, or at least that Tywin had already committed considerable funds to the Iron Throne.

so he knew about the money but i think he was going for a morale win rather than a strategic one

dagger.

He had a reason for giving it to Bran. Seemed happy that it ended up in Arya's hands. What's his angle?



>AKA Game of Dimepieces.
>
>Tonight it's back for a seven episode run to the usual ten.
>
>The creators said this season is part one of the end. Cercei
>has got to get got.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

plus it would seem "cooler" because it had special meaning because it was the dagger the hired assassin tried to kill Bran with.

However, I believe it was Littlefinger who tried to have Bran killed as the beginning of the chaos that LF hoped would start his climb up the ladder. He then pinned it on the Lannisters by saying he lost that knife to Tyriann in a card game which set the Starks off against REALLY hating the Lannisters. This is why Bran, now the all-seeing 3-eyed Raven, commented to LF his own "Chaos is a ladder" quote because he knows what LF did.

Bran, with a reasonable "a cripple has no need for a weapon", gave it to Arya because he knows what she's going to do with it.

I think eventually that knife is gonna end up in LF's neck and Arya's gonna be wearing his face to do some sneaky shit against Cersei.

>plus it would seem "cooler" because it had special meaning
>because it was the dagger the hired assassin tried to kill
>Bran with.
>
>However, I believe it was Littlefinger who tried to have Bran
>killed as the beginning of the chaos that LF hoped would start
>his climb up the ladder. He then pinned it on the Lannisters
>by saying he lost that knife to Tyriann in a card game which
>set the Starks off against REALLY hating the Lannisters. This
>is why Bran, now the all-seeing 3-eyed Raven, commented to LF
>his own "Chaos is a ladder" quote because he knows what LF
>did.
>
>Bran, with a reasonable "a cripple has no need for a weapon",
>gave it to Arya because he knows what she's going to do with
>it.
>
>I think eventually that knife is gonna end up in LF's neck and
>Arya's gonna be wearing his face to do some sneaky shit
>against Cersei.

Hmmm...interesting....

is that he LOOOOOOOOOVED Catlin and he never wanted to see her hurt, so when the assassin shows up in Bran's quarters and Catlin's there he's like "you're not supposed to be here" and "i don't want to hurt you" which is to say he was probably ordered by LF not to hurt her.

and didn't realize he is talking to the Warging Westeros-Wikipage

Dany be having glee in her eyes when she burn niggas up, yo.

i think lowkey she the most heartless killer of them all.

i can't remember how many people were in there.

.

I give the nod to Cirsei's domestic terrorism tactics over what Danerys did since the majority of folks that got burned last night were great in number, but were mainly faceless individuals.

Cirsei on the other hand killed so many important folks with her attack, including folks that were kin to her; and I'm not even including the fact her attack led to her son murking himself and as result giving her the Iron Throne.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Littlefinger would be the correct answer in terms of who has the largest body count though, right?

n/m

.
.

"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

maybe not as individuals but Jaime been at this the longest and killed the mad king to boot

what's the dealy wit that/them

i know they are sellswords and he used to roll wit em (i think)


but ain't they the same dudes who rolled w/Stannis when he went to Braavos?? or what makes them different from the Second Sons?

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/8/8/16111582/ask-the-maester-season-7-episode-4

Adam asks, “OK, so you briefly touched on the Golden Company on Talk the Thrones. But there has to be more to it than just being the no. 1 brand name of mercenaries from Essos, right?”

The level of detail that George R.R. Martin gave his world never ceases to amaze me. That’s why, even if he doesn’t (he won’t) finish (please try, George!) the books, the world-building achievement stands well and truly on its own. The history of the Golden Company is a wonderful example of this.

Early in “The Spoils of War,” Queen Cersei is discussing her plans with the Iron Bank’s Tycho Nestoris. “I need to expand my armies, my navies,” she says. “My Hand, Qyburn, has made overtures to the Golden Company in Essos.” So who are these dudes?

In 196 AC, King Daeron II Targaryen, the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms, and his loyalists, including Brynden “Bloodraven” Rivers, the future Three-Eyed Raven, put down the civil war known as the First Blackfyre Rebellion. The usurper, Daemon Blackfyre, great-bastard of King Aegon IV, was killed, alongside his twin sons, by a torrent of arrows at the decisive Battle of the Redgrass Field. Daemon’s supporters who survived the battle fled to Essos.

Among them was Aegor Rivers, better known as “Bittersteel,” the bastard King Aegon IV had with his fifth mistress, the famously zaftig Barba of House Bracken. (Aside: We don’t talk enough about how George R.R. Martin is an excellent creator of names for people, places, and things. The show could really use that talent now considering that, as Mallory Rubin pointed out to me after Talk the Thrones, the official name of last episode’s battle is the “The Loot Train Attack.” LOL. GUYS, THAT SUCKS. WHAT ARE YOU DOING?) Aegor was Daemon’s most ardent supporter and Bloodraven’s most hated rival. As the Targaryen army pressed its victory at Redgrass Field, Bittersteel scooped up Daemon’s sword, Blackfyre, the weapon of Targaryen kings since Aegon the Conqueror, and sailed for Essos with the usurper’s widow. He joined the Second Sons — the group show-Daario is now a part of — and served with them for a year. Going sellsword was, and still is, a popular pastime for Westerosi exiles. Jorah Mormont and Oberyn Martell are notable characters who, at one time, ran with Essosian sellswords. But because there are numerous mercenary companies in Essos — the Stormbreakers, the Company of the Rose, the Windblown (those names, again!), among others — Aegor worried that the Blackfyre cause would stall as Daemon’s followers joined this group and that group. He hit upon an idea: What if there was one sellsword outfit just for the former members of the Blackfyre rebellion?

After his year of service was up, Aegor quit and founded the Golden Company. They are, as mentioned, the most respectable of the disrespectable mercenary bands of Essos. Where outfits like the Stormcrows are apt to switch sides as soon as the fighting gets tough (or to decapitate their captains over a disagreement in policy), the Golden Company prides itself on reliability and professional soldiering. They operate according to a culture of strict, Westerosi style military discipline. They’re expensive, of course, but, in a world rife with thieves and cutthroats willing to stick a dagger in your guys for a roast chicken, the Golden Company stands behind its craft. It is said, most often by them, that they have never broken a contract. Their motto is: “Our word is good as gold.”

Now of course, because the company was founded by former Blackfyres, it has been a near-constant source of rebellion and instability for the Seven Kingdoms for generations. With the Golden Company behind him, Bittersteel launched the Third and Fourth Blackfyre rebellions. Later, after Aegor’s death, the Golden Company, under the command of Blackfyre descendant Maelys the Monstrous, took part in the failed-experiment in outlaw self-government known as the War of the Ninepenny Kings.

In the books, the Golden Company was involved in Illyrio Mopatis’s conspiracy to return the Targaryens to the Iron Throne. But frustrated by Dany’s lack of westward momentum, it threw its support behind a young man claiming to be Aegon Targaryen, the son of Rhaegar and Elia Martell who is thought to have died at the hands of the Mountain, because he was like, “I’m going to Westeros now!” There was just not enough time for that plot to make it into the show. Still, Cersei contracting a sellsword army that launched, over its history, numerous attempts to overthrow the Seven Kingdoms would be a classic Cers short-term-gain, long-term-disaster, decision-tree fuck-up.


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them...possibly...and/or even he is from the Reynes (of Castamere)

and second...I guess this isn't the same click that rolled w/ Stannis

So dope. Cant beielive this season is almost over

nothing but criminals bastards and wildlings

Fucking Cercei gotta die

Littlefinger is trying, and is successful since far, drive a wedge between the Stark sisters

Dany catching feelings for Jon.

I hope none of these niggas get killed cause next week's episode looks like some epic shit.

Only two episodes left 😭😭😭

>Littlefinger is trying, and is successful since far, drive a
>wedge between the Stark sisters

What was written on that scroll in the room?

see below

Didn't Cersei force Sansa to write a note like that back in the day? Arya should be following Littlefinger with a different face.

https://i.redd.it/6kkme9ys1mfz.png

was the faithful sister portion of the letter, right? I made the mistake of actually trying to read the body of the letter while it was on the screen when the episode aired, so I didn't see that text at all. Pretty crafty of Littlefinger to sleuth that scroll out like that.

Back when Ned was beheaded for treason. Littlfinger planted it to try and drive a wedge between the sisters

Arya needs to use other faces.

beat me to it

they show ol dude with the sword on fire

so i guess lightbringer will end up being a literal sword


i feel like in the books it might go a different direction but i like how the show is less magicky magicky than the books so I'm not surprised lightbringer is an actual thing

that is kinda baller

Two people that came back from the dead including the King of the North, a dude who survived greyscale, the Hound, a drunken priest with a flaming sword, King Robert's son, and Tormund.

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT

character randomly stumbles upon and is about to reveal hugely important info, the character that needs it is way too distracted and cuts her off...

Being that Bran already knows and is waiting to tell Jon

Edit: i guess it does mean Jon is legit and not a bastard which is added info

being the actual rightful heir since they were "officially" married


but ya i just hate the way information is held hostage in books/shows when the viewer already has the information to drive the plot forward

but anyways, its just a silly problem i have with it from reading so much fantasy, seems to be very common them in any kind of "Adventure"

>being the actual rightful heir since they were "officially"
>married
>
>
>but ya i just hate the way information is held hostage in
>books/shows when the viewer already has the information to
>drive the plot forward
>
>but anyways, its just a silly problem i have with it from
>reading so much fantasy, seems to be very common them in any
>kind of "Adventure"

Wouldn't that info still be irrelevant to Sam because he wouldn't connect it to Jon's birth?

but instead reveals the accepted story (Rhaegars kidnapping and rape of L. Stark) is false and they had a legitimate marriage

this is key because it is actually documented record proof of a legit marriage and thus potentially a legit child birth

>but instead reveals the accepted story (Rhaegars kidnapping
>and rape of L. Stark) is false and they had a legitimate
>marriage
>
>this is key because it is actually documented record proof of
>a legit marriage and thus potentially a legit child birth
>
>
But it did reveal this in an easter egg type of way.

but buried away in some records.



>>but instead reveals the accepted story (Rhaegars kidnapping
>>and rape of L. Stark) is false and they had a legitimate
>>marriage
>>
>>this is key because it is actually documented record proof
>of
>>a legit marriage and thus potentially a legit child birth
>>
>>
>But it did reveal this in an easter egg type of way.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

If his entire rebellion is built on a lit, that diminishes his ability to be seen as a proper and rightful ruler. The whole rebellion was built on him fighting for Lyanna's (sp?) life because she was allegedly kidnapped, so if there's information to the contrary he's going to suppress that.

that devout, conservative brand of storytelling.

so much that he likely accepted his sister's choice, and his presumed brother's version of the story, but chose not to tell that story himself because it made the world too complicated and full of options rather than a series of rigid steps up a chaotic ladder.

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And thus any child born from is as well

might be the line of the episode.

I get that he's supposed to be channeling Robert's Warhammer, but it looks too big for him. Gendry doesn't have the girth of Robert imo.

Strenght, nah. But. Dragons.
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Not believable!! lol

Abandoned in the fleabottom projects for like 20 years and the second you find out your daddy's rich all you get is left on a boat, you would dig deep and find the issues you need fuel them angry ass swings, lol.

His hammer isn't made of Valerian steel or that dragon glass material, right? Doesn't that mean he can't kill them? Sounds like a perfect recipe for him to become a White Walker himself on that battlefield in the upcoming episode.

That said, they are all woefully unprepared (maybe Jon has some dragonglass swords for the others?) for the whitewalkers themselves but in the series they've used them sparringly as general types.

I still wish (maybe in the books) they would explore more about that society though since they were raised to be these demon things since birth

>That said, they are all woefully unprepared (maybe Jon has
>some dragonglass swords for the others?) for the whitewalkers
>themselves but in the series they've used them sparringly as
>general types.
>
>I still wish (maybe in the books) they would explore more
>about that society though since they were raised to be these
>demon things since birth

Jon's sword is Valerian steel, so he is alright and Jon has the mined dragon glass he took from that caves from Dragonstone. It would be more prudent to have Gendry craft weapons from that dragon glass rather than have him fight with them with this non Valerian steel/non dragon glass mallet, especially since he himself admitted he isn't much of a fighter, but what do I know?

.

blacksmiths by their nature are always exceptionally strong

it seems in almost every fantasy book ive read a blacksmith turned warrior carries a hammer (symbolic of the blacksmith hammer)

so when he whipped it out i was like OF COURSE YOU HAVE THAT

Seems to go with the look

.

"no, like, we should just be able to wordlessly say adios by now."


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Jorah: I'll go too
Dany: awe you're sweet.

>Jorah: I'll go too
>Dany: awe you're sweet.

And not to say it couldn't happen, but I feel like Arya been in the game too long now to be played in that manner by the likes of Litterfinger.

.

There were a few moments that seemed a bit too much on the nose.

How do we know that Arya isn't aware of what he's doing. SHE could be the one laying the trap not him.


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I could see her taking the bait and realising she was set up before or after it's too late. If after it would perhaps be with brans help

While life has certainly taught her not to trust any motherfucker at all, I can get how Littlefinger might outplay her in politics and guile.

But Littlefinger AIN'T gonna catch her tailing him and gonna effectively tail her like he did that episode. She was in blind ninja school for like 5 years

Arya's watching Littlefinger. Who's to say Littlefinger doesn't have someone watching her.

It's an easy trap since Littlefinger drops coin everywhere. Someone probably told him that Arya's been following him around.

I ask because if that isn't the case, that would mean she'd have to kill someone within Winterfell in order to mask as them, right?

*throat slit gesture*

I tried but couldn't read it.

after they killed Ned Sansa was forced to right a note to Robb telling him to come to King's landing and bend the knee. Arya at this point does not know that it was forced.

and we saw how that ended up for her.

Arya is basically in cheat code/god mode right now, and that's even without Bran's help.

Littlefinger only knows she has some great combat training now, he doesn't know about the assassin/disguise and almost mind-reading skills. I mean she can look like someone else and know when you're lying even if you don't even know that you're lying.

She's the cat and he's a ball of twine at this point.

Family is the one area in which she constantly lets her feelings get in the way of being her best self. Littlegfinger is an obvious scumbag and she knows it, but she also has an innate need to know and protect her family and he's using that to his advantage.

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I think she's actually setting him up to show himself

Is Jon petting drogon NOT a big deal? Can just anyone pet the dragons? Like Drogon was like sup cuz..

Daeny looked mad surprised too.

and she had that "look"

Which is then later confirmed by Gilly's little anecdote she finds in that book (or scroll) about Rhaegar.

Obviously Danny.

Tyrion when he freed the 2 smaller ones locked up.

and now Jon.

Im still holding hope that im gonna see the 3 of them riding the dragons. The 3 heads.


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I unfortunately fell into a spoiler youtube video that basically confirms part of this for next week...

Whitewalkers.... jon and co... dany and the dragons....

And death... on all sides..

creating a superteam to save the world made of characters we actually care about.

it's not an entirely fair comparison, since GOT has had 65 hours to earn our emotional investment.

but it's not an entirely unfair comparison, because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been at this for almost 10 years, released 16 flicks (probably half as many hours), and has a half century of cultural capital to work with.

will be a Dwarf

but, she gon' still use it to play Jaime.

and when Jaime learns of the lie, the prophecy of him offing Cersei will be fulfilled.

you're likely right

She almost came when he was bonding with the dragon and the only reason it looks like she ain't climb on top of him for a ride in front of everyone during that goodbye was Jorah "Friendzone" Mormont literally came back from the dead to serve in simpage to his queen and he was clocking her hard.

While I love Littlefinger being Littlefinger, it's a bit hollywood for him to out ninja a ninja unless he's got skills we don't know about. I get playing against the sisters pre-existing mistrust, but the way that was done... LOL.

Bronn's the MVP of the whole shit put that nigga's jersey in the rafters now.

And while we lost much of the intrigue because of 'We need to wrap this up B' time constraints...GOT'S becoming a better blockbuster then most blockbusters.

Im fucking AMP'ED for that Magnificent Seven/Seven Samurai/13 Assassins ass group they have going out thereto hunt whitewalkers; you Jon, the master of the pretty boy glowering...Tormond 'I like my woman like my beer, thick and full of malt' , my bastard mans from Skins been on the unemployed acting line for 5 years while rowing a boat coming through literally with the hammers AND THE MOTHERFUCKING HOUND?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/86/86b0d5c2b3ccc8d4a3bec4dc5372ceda21d05d29a569719f51d7970484b4a931.jpg

That' whole capture scene is going to be dope

It seems like a silly mission. Trying to convince Cersei seems like a waste of time. And with Dany it seems like she should take a day and fly a dragon to go see that army for herself.

I am also very anxious for Jon to get back to Winterfell and tell them Lords to chill out.

There has been so much momentum and fast story movement the first three episodes this kind of feels like a detour to stall out the story a little bit.

I don't hate hate it. But I don't love it.



>She almost came when he was bonding with the dragon and the
>only reason it looks like she ain't climb on top of him for a
>ride in front of everyone during that goodbye was Jorah
>"Friendzone" Mormont literally came back from the dead to
>serve in simpage to his queen and he was clocking her hard.
>
>While I love Littlefinger being Littlefinger, it's a bit
>hollywood for him to out ninja a ninja unless he's got skills
>we don't know about. I get playing against the sisters
>pre-existing mistrust, but the way that was done... LOL.
>
>Bronn's the MVP of the whole shit put that nigga's jersey in
>the rafters now.
>
>And while we lost much of the intrigue because of 'We need to
>wrap this up B' time constraints...GOT'S becoming a better
>blockbuster then most blockbusters.
>
>Im fucking AMP'ED for that Magnificent Seven/Seven Samurai/13
>Assassins ass group they have going out thereto hunt
>whitewalkers; you Jon, the master of the pretty boy
>glowering...Tormond 'I like my woman like my beer, thick and
>full of malt' , my bastard mans from Skins been on the
>unemployed acting line for 5 years while rowing a boat coming
>through literally with the hammers AND THE MOTHERFUCKING
>HOUND?
>
>http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/86/86b0d5c2b3ccc8d4a3bec4dc5372ceda21d05d29a569719f51d7970484b4a931.jpg
>
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>It seems like a silly mission. Trying to convince Cersei
>seems like a waste of time. And with Dany it seems like she
>should take a day and fly a dragon to go see that army for
>herself.

I just chalk it up to them thinking despite her consistently chaotic evil ways she would at least understand mutual destruction....but we tv viewers we know much better. (Tyrion should have imho, but ill let it slide.)

>I am also very anxious for Jon to get back to Winterfell and
>tell them Lords to chill out.

Sadly enough, I don't think we will see Jon ever return to the North...for good or bad reasons.

>There has been so much momentum and fast story movement the
>first three episodes this kind of feels like a detour to stall
>out the story a little bit.

I thought this episode was as whiplash quick as the rest of the season; it was just less action focused. Like the Jamie + Tyrion reunion should have been a huge bulk of the episode but all we got was a 30 second scene which was a shame.


>I don't hate hate it. But I don't love it.
>
>
>

>She almost came when he was bonding with the dragon and the
>only reason it looks like she ain't climb on top of him for a
>ride in front of everyone during that goodbye was Jorah
>"Friendzone" Mormont literally came back from the dead to
>serve in simpage to his queen and he was clocking her hard.

I'm dyin' yo. But seriously, this nigga Jon should've handled business. He could've easily blown her back out real quick in a "secret meeting".

And yeah, this nigga Jorah a simp.

>
>While I love Littlefinger being Littlefinger, it's a bit
>hollywood for him to out ninja a ninja unless he's got skills
>we don't know about. I get playing against the sisters
>pre-existing mistrust, but the way that was done... LOL.


Littlefinger been sneaky like that tho. You don't get to where he's at without some ninja type footsteps.

>
>Bronn's the MVP of the whole shit put that nigga's jersey in
>the rafters now.
>
>And while we lost much of the intrigue because of 'We need to
>wrap this up B' time constraints...GOT'S becoming a better
>blockbuster then most blockbusters.

I'd say each season's pace has been faster than the last one. It's been especially noticeable from Season 3 onwards, but no complaints from me.

If George ever does finishes the books (LOLOLOLOL) I wish all y'all niggas best of luck with them shits.

>
>Im fucking AMP'ED for that Magnificent Seven/Seven Samurai/13
>Assassins ass group they have going out thereto hunt
>whitewalkers; you Jon, the master of the pretty boy
>glowering...Tormond 'I like my woman like my beer, thick and
>full of malt' , my bastard mans from Skins been on the
>unemployed acting line for 5 years while rowing a boat coming
>through literally with the hammers AND THE MOTHERFUCKING
>HOUND?

Next week's episode looks crazy b. I just hope my niggas Jon and Tormund make it back.

Bran gonna send a raven like, "chill."

just like he tried to do in the first season.

^^^^

Them niggas is known for inbreeding more than Jaime and Cerci.

.

RE: right before Jon's about to smash his auntie>

Bran gonna send a raven like, "chill."

Although she had some training and developed many skills, wasn't she still kindof at an apprentince level when she left the House of B&W?

Also, doesn't LF have some familiarity with Braavos and probably recognized the style of fighting she was using when he watched her spaar and that "no one" taught her? Remember LF has been outmanuevering the best of Westoros, so would it be out of the realm of reason for him to still be steps ahead?

and actively threaten her master

>She almost came when he was bonding with the dragon and the
>only reason it looks like she ain't climb on top of him for a
>ride in front of everyone during that goodbye was Jorah
>"Friendzone" Mormont literally came back from the dead to
>serve in simpage to his queen and he was clocking her hard.
>

Friendzone Jorah and ol boy that offered to be her side piece when she wouldnt take him compared to Jon Snow, who responded to her by saying "i wish you good fortune in the battles to come" and dipped out. He got her by the hooks. Its a wrap.

but I was surprised there weren't more of the giant crossbows in the basement of King's Landing. There are three dragons afterall and if the giant crossbow that was in the fields at Highgarden with Jamie was the only one, that means King's Landing was totally defenseless against other dragons potentially raiding Cirsei. Like I said, a very minor point since there was a ton to cover in the prior episode, but that still disappointed me nonetheless.

I find it odd that they had it with them in the convoy. You just had a feeling a dragon might swoop in so you brought it along?

and some are out there now
and that Qyburn had brought that one prototype to the basement just to show Cersei

Who is the Night King? His Identity Revealed! Biggest Game of Thrones Season 7 Theory!

https://youtu.be/_y1w4Fvz3S4



Primal Music For Life!

I thought about that shit during the episode...

The night king knew he was being peeped by the raven though...

He may not be the night king but I wonder if they are inherently connected somehow..

If Bran has been ALL the Brandon Starks from Bran the Builder till now then they may be the ying and yang of the world

I.e. Bran could be the lord of light


Sidenote.... can bran warg into a dragon?

how they jump to them being the same person is just wacky and ridciulous to me though lol

.

This season has been moving along so fast (well, at least until this episode 4), it seems like we are due a story arc where they jump back in the past and explain the signficance of Rhaegar Targaryen.

The show references him but I only get who he is from reading online.

It would be cool if they took a couple of episodes detour telling his backstory.



>AKA Game of Dimepieces.
>
>Tonight it's back for a seven episode run to the usual ten.
>
>The creators said this season is part one of the end. Cercei
>has got to get got.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Mad_King


how is this supposed to be clear for viewers

.

When I look on the tv guide it only lists 7. I thought there was 8.

and 7 more next season and that's it.

>and 7 more next season and that's it.


Season 8 will be 6 episodes.

I'm all involved and they are going to leave me hanging like this.

Damn.

aren't discussing; Daenerys once again pressed Jon for more info that Davos almost slipped about Jon coming back from the dead. Do you folks think Daenerys will eventually find out?

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Jon takes his shirt off and admits to coming back from the dead, she equates it to her being reborn from the blames.....and they bang some more

everyone gets to where they're going immediately. This stuff used to take half a season

I don't mind because I'm an impatient person in general, but it does make it hard to place things and events accurately; I had to suspend some serious disbelief for last week's episode in regards to the gold returning back to King's Landing, but the greatness of the battle made up for that quickness.

Speaking of the timing getting accelerated, it's pretty wild nothing was explained during last night's episode in regards to Euron's ships being in the distance of Casterly Rock to blindside Grey Worm and his surviving crew.

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Westeros went from being a continent, to being roughly the size of Chicago.

.

Still heavy inkling that a dragon will die this season... and if the crossbow aint gonna do it....

Awweww shit!

>Still heavy inkling that a dragon will die this season... and
>if the crossbow aint gonna do it....
>
>Awweww shit!


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She'll take the remaining two and go apesht.

:(

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Edit: IkeMoses just posted this fact.

Jon Snow's father is actually Rhaegar Targaryn, older brother to Danaerys and Viserys. Heir to Aerys "The Mad King" Targaryn's throne. Killed by Robert Baratheon at the Battle of the Trident.

he washed the Mountain. Elia was Raeygar's wife before he left her for Layana Stark.

not sure what it means specifically...

like maybe he can sense that they are both off-white walkers


but yeah the jail scene where Jon giving that 'concerned open mouthed blank stare' thing that he does was interesting

He might be trying to play one sister against the other, but Bran knows the truth. Once he reveals to Sansa and Arya that Littlefinger used that dagger to betray their father, he's doomed.

My assumption was that Littlefinger fabricated whatever note that Arya found. Turns out, he doesn't need to fabricate a note to make Sansa look bad. Remember this....

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-sansa-letter-arya-season-7-episode-5-eastwatch

Yeah I forgot all about that note that Sansa wrote Robb back in the day.

Here is way Littlefinger is so slick. Neither Arya nor Sansa can prove that LF grabbed the note for the purpose of Arya finding it and starting beef. LF can always claim he got the note and hid it to protect Sansa.

That's why I think the dagger is so interesting. LF would be slipping if he directly hired someone to kill Bran. LF style is more to influence events to lead them in a certain direction but always have plausiable denability.

Now I hope Arya and Sansa catches him slipping, but it won't be that easy.




>He might be trying to play one sister against the other, but
>Bran knows the truth. Once he reveals to Sansa and Arya that
>Littlefinger used that dagger to betray their father, he's
>doomed.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Remember, Bran basically know EVERYTHING that's ever happened. And while Arya and Sansa may think he's weird, they still trust what he says as their blood.

I don't even think LF hired the assassin to kill Bran. But he did use the dagger to doublecross their father. And both of the sisters lived through that doublecross and know that's when it all went to hell.

Which is why Arya is going to end up sticking that dagger into LF.

That theory that states that he survived the long night and is the narrator of books? That last look he did before leaving the library kinda spoke to it, no?

coming from Jamie who's seen his share of battles, and was one of the best to ever do it in his time saying the Dothraki were easily the best he's ever seen was a pretty powerful statement.

.

Cersei let the meeting happen on purpose. Yet another plan that Tyrion concocted that could lead to an L. He hasnt had a single victory yet. Jon Snow gave the advice for the supply attack.

and actually a liability


that is of course
hes able to get Jaime to flip


oh the dragon thing, forgot

he's more of a diplomat

he's specifically bad at this because he's so torn.

not really devising strat


and like you say due to who the people ARE its messing with that skill of his

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i feel like hes still coasting off of his blackwater bay success, which wasnt really all about his strat ya know?

I guess maybe she was hoping Jon would be that but with Grey Worm gone it really is a bunch of diplomats leading a war.

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Plus i still believe he's the 3rd dragon rider. I still think his real father is a Targaryen, I still believe in that theory. Hopefully its in the one of the books Sam is stealing. I think it would be cool if Tywin had his suspicions and kept them to himself in fear of looking weak which would add more reason to hate him.





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I see it being out of character for someone of that makeup to be so resentful towards their son because a. hes a dwarf and b. mom died during birth


now mix in, the fact its not his kid, that puts it together IMO

dude made me a little moist lol



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...yeah great, we FINALLY GOT SOME F'N DRAGON ACTION!

literally nothing else happening this season is interesting

started to feel like a stall/stretch before the final season

we know Cersei is evil

we know winter/the white walkers are coming

let's F'N get it on already

enough of this backstory soap opera BULLSHIT

you telling me ole girl can't fly a dragon north of the wall?

f'n park that bad boy on the MF'n wall and spit hot fiyah all day at the walkers

c'mon man...this is turning into a waste of time

we know who rules the 7 kingdoms, stop playing already.

predicted to happen since episode 1

with a few caveats....especially surrounding Bran and Sam

fuckers?

They only just convinced Dany to give a fuck about the white walkers at all, and she's supposed to just drop what she's doing all of a sudden and take all of her most valuable assets north of the wall, and just fly around until they find zombies?

I mean, she might do that eventually, but theres a whole season of story to tell.

Jon - There's an army of white walkers north of the wall heading our way to kill us all

Dany - Cool, let me jump on my dragon and check it out, I'll be right back...

...she's got enough of an army to hold dragonstone against invasion...

the f is the problem

we got 1 episode of action

and a season full of filler.

cuz ummmmmm

So you randomly decided to start watching all of a sudden

nigga acted like the white walkers were the walking dead only smh

better put some respeck on the night king name nigga!

So let's rundown their plan

Off top, the idea that alladat was in effort to convince Cersei to join forces is f'n laughable.

Would you risk 2 of your best fighters, Jon and Dog, Queen and all 3 dragons just to convince 1 person?

Further, in a previous episode with Jamie, Cersei said she would bend the knee if forced to...make that bitch bend the knee or vaporize her ass and K.I.M.

+ we don't even know the extent of the connection the night king has with the walkers. Taking one beyond the wall maybe fatal in itself.

We saw how fast Dany got there. Fly 1 dragon north of the wall on a reconnaissance mission and then gear up for war.

The f is the problem?

Had they waited until they were closer to the wall, my plan was better. Dragons perched vaporizing MFers.

you cant see shit and the nigga can throw icy fucking javelins a few miles

dude...

aint no fucking recon for that shit

this was the fucking recon

these niggas couldn't see an army of the dead within miles and freezing their nuts off but you expect a person and a dragon to survive a few thousand feet higher? hopefully high enough to not get NK-spiked? foh man lol

and Jon been desperate since his first walker interaction...it's clear he'd risk any and everything for that cause at this point

that whole episode was trash

complete with the Bruce Lee attacked by a mob 1 at a time fight scene

FOH

you want to rationalize every turrabull second of this season

you didn't answer my question

post this episode

would you risk your 2 best fighters, queen and 3 dragons to convince Cersei the evil cunt Lannister to join forces with you

or would you make her bend the knee?

my response was to this...

but by all means continue to question why it would be smarter to risk dragons then people who survived...

dragons are more valuable then all the fighters and you wanted them to pull up like it was a simple drive-by

oh ard then

Let them f'ers go north of the wall = bring me a walker and I'll return you to your queen

+ both Bran and Dog saw the Night King from the other side of the wall

Sheeeeeeiiiiittt, Dog gave them the f'n location

You're rationalizing the 1 option presented in a world of infinite possibilities

The 1 they presented was f'n stoopid, not believable, etc...

I don't see you debating that part

When hostage walker morphs into the king, or 1 of those dudes converting MFers

I'll be here to say I told you so.

...and the dragons were still vaporizing MFers L and R...

and some fake ass king from the north shows up talking about ghost stories


thats how she views it essentially



its the i got whats in front of me to deal with vs HEY THERES THIS REALLY BIG PROBLEM NO ONE WANTS TO ACKNOWLEDGE BELIEVE FAR AWAY (as jon snow jumps up and down yelling)

You want two episodes for the season ?

Sam quoting his despised father on the way out the door after grabbing seven random scrolls and a couple random books looking like a freshman desperate to finish a book report about whatever's easiest to speed-read and suddenly having no interest in studying the world is too much.


Arya having been the first Stark to see just how scheming Littlefinger is all the way back in season 2, then becoming one of the world's great assassins, then playing Scooby Doo with Littlefinger is potentially rough if they continue this wedge between sisters thing; like Sam, feels desperate for a plot.


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he's there for 2 purposes...

the whole reason he went when he went was to find something out about the white walkers and hopefully to get them to help

once he got a large enough dose of disbelief and inaction...he bounced

most people would have bounced after day 2 of shit duty my guy

Casino is not as bad as the Sopranos Vito season.

>Sam quoting his despised father on the way out the door after
>grabbing seven random scrolls and a couple random books
>looking like a freshman desperate to finish a book report
>about whatever's easiest to speed-read and suddenly having no
>interest in studying the world is too much.
>

Sam had bigger problems to tackle.

>Arya having been the first Stark to see just how scheming
>Littlefinger is all the way back in season 2, then becoming
>one of the world's great assassins, then playing Scooby Doo
>with Littlefinger is potentially rough if they continue this
>wedge between sisters thing; like Sam, feels desperate for a
>plot.
>

This is good, the long lost sisters getting back together and getting along would be boring.

Lady Olena murked. Tyrell family killed off.

Epic Pirate battle.

Bran returns home.

Arya returns home.

Stark children united.

1 battle that is usually reserved for the end of the season happens in episode 3.

Revealed (admittedly sloppily and lazily) that Jon Snow is the rightful Heir to the iron throne.

Jon meets Dany.

Dany finally makes it to Westeros.

Come on mayne. They've been doing payoffs folks have been waiting for seasons for.






>...yeah great, we FINALLY GOT SOME F'N DRAGON ACTION!
>
>literally nothing else happening this season is interesting
>
>started to feel like a stall/stretch before the final season
>
>we know Cersei is evil
>
>we know winter/the white walkers are coming
>
>let's F'N get it on already
>
>enough of this backstory soap opera BULLSHIT
>
>you telling me ole girl can't fly a dragon north of the wall?
>
>f'n park that bad boy on the MF'n wall and spit hot fiyah all
>day at the walkers
>
>c'mon man...this is turning into a waste of time
>
>we know who rules the 7 kingdoms, stop playing already.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Im surprised you actually made it to Season 7 if you watch it with that mind set. The entire series has been build up to this point. And nothing about this season has been remotely boring, and its a super sped up season.

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HBO Spain exhibits sixth episode of "Game of Thrones" ahead of time

GIULIA COVRE 08/08/2017
22:20

It's not easy for HBO. After episode four was leaked ahead of time, so did the sixth episode, slated to air next Sunday!

What happens is that HBO Spain transmitted (apparently) accidentally on Tuesday (15) about one hour of the unpublished episode (the total is 1h11) in English and without subtitles in Spanish, which was available in the application of the broadcaster For PlayStation 4. For those who want to see a picture of the screen, just click here.

Forums like Reddit and 4chan are posting prints of scenes and even a profile on Instagram exhibited the episode live! The leak is real and the download should be available soon, but we will not post the link, okay?

A very speculated scene has been confirmed and has even gif ready. If you want to check it out, it's in this link.

And now, HBO? Difficult, eh? Or not…

I already saw a pic of a major major major spoiler by accident just from casually looking for game of thrones memes.

So a lot of the leak from last year is true...


Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

Fuckin sucks

Just found an HD version.. tonight I shall cry

Shit was flaaaaaaaaames.

It's out there...

The googles

Will not comment on anything but if anyone who has seen it wants to chat about it, enbocks me.

That shit was craaaazy bro....

Sad... but craaaaaaaaaaaaazy

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reveal from ep. 6 on a promo poster for the season?

if so, that's pretty funny.

https://www.ablogofthrones.com/18-stunning-game-thrones-season-7-fan-made-posters/

They're playing right into Littlefinger's hands.

These motherfuckers got a dragon now?!

When Jon called Dany my queen, I thought she was gonna jump him right then and there. I'm glad she got her humanity back.

Gonna be a little ass finale next week.

by the time later seasons roll around, it feels more and more ridiculous to believe characters will still fall for their shit.

Why she wouldn't listen to Brienne after everything is beyond stupid.

and they are fucking with LF


hoping atleast

It has to relate to that conversation she had with LF but why would anyone from Winterfell take a meeting with Cersi (other than the implausable reason Jon wants to meet with Cersei)?

>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

They ain't gon fk with Brienne of Tarth tho. Get dem hands.

1. at face value (PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED) she wants to send someone that wont be killed/imprisoned on sight

2. they are fucking with littlefinger, they want him to think his "plan" is working


think of it this way, his explanation about Brienne's role wasnt to give Sansa advice to seek help from Brienne, but actually to let her know she should do somethin with her if she has her own "plans" for Arya

of course theres a 3rd but unlikely option

she actually is planning to kill Arya and wanted Brienne to not have any conflict of interest

>1. at face value (PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED) she wants to send
>someone that wont be killed/imprisoned on sight
>
>2. they are fucking with littlefinger, they want him to think
>his "plan" is working
>
>
>think of it this way, his explanation about Brienne's role
>wasnt to give Sansa advice to seek help from Brienne, but
>actually to let her know she should do somethin with her if
>she has her own "plans" for Arya
>
>of course theres a 3rd but unlikely option
>
>she actually is planning to kill Arya and wanted Brienne to
>not have any conflict of interest


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

its poor writing/tropish (her slow transformation into neo-cersei) or if Arya and Sansa are both in on it



certainly Arya is up to something and her behavior is definitely a front, I assume because she knows LF has eyes and ears everywhere



the only mystery for me is if Sansa is in on this or not


Her sending Brienne away makes it seem like it could go either way

Dude will already be dead, "Littlefinger" will finally convince Sansa that Arya is too dangerous to stay alive and... mask comes off.

guess I should have started watching before season 6 lol



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Dude just won't die. He was in the freezing water for what, bout 3 months and came up perfectly fine? Shoutout to (formerly) fine ass Uncle Benjen though, coming with the save.

apparently lol

first he froze while zombie bear mauled Thoros, then if he doesn't fuck around, that rescue op could have been pretty smooth. NK might have still got the spear off tho

Also, him and Tormund chatting was pretty good.

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everybody had to talk to each other about why they had to talk to each other, eh?

Jon had to drop that 'Dany' line, eh?

them boys had to fight that bear just 'cause, eh?

Gendry got lungs like that, eh?

Ravens got wings like that, eh?

Stark sisters really not up on what's up like that, eh?

Coldhands (they explicitly refer to him by this name in the Inside featurette after) gotta come and go like that, eh?

Tormund (and Jon, and those two random dudes, except they actually did die) gotta die but not die 'cause whatever, eh?

......but maaaaaaaan fire swords, dragons, breaking ice, wind-resistant spears, Tyrion sharing a flagon with Dany, Hound's quips, all Dany's faces, that music, those effects, that vicious ass "oh yeah Mr. Iñárritu you think nobody else can film a bear attack?", all Gendry's Christian Bale faces, realizing in the moment they were gonna take that dragon but worrying the show was just gonna overlook it the way its overlooked a lot of stuff this year but they didn't aaaaaand ONLY SEVEN EPISODES LEFT?!

*deep breath*

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throwing a spear at the much further, and moving target instead of at the stationary tactic that your enemies are about to use to get away


Or the falling into a frozen lake, staying underwater for several minutes and managing to not only pull yourself out of the water, but also avoid hypothermia

like you said, good TV.

but man, so many things that seemed important overlooked.

also, people just doing things that are outside of what their motivations are.

>like you said, good TV.
>
>but man, so many things that seemed important overlooked.
>
>also, people just doing things that are outside of what their
>motivations are.

Arya/Sansa seems stupid, particularly since Sansa insists she knows littlefinger but she still asking him for advice. Sansa's basically regressed (so has Arya actually)....can't tell if this is good writing trying to show that its hard to break out of old patterns or if these niggas just threading water to keep the politics part of the show going while we deal with real shit, lol.

I'm re-watching the whole series and Sansa was a pure bitch that first season.

>I'm re-watching the whole series and Sansa was a pure bitch
>that first season.

Like, you get me in an argument with my moms and Ill feel myself regress to the way I used to argue with my moms when I was 14 even though Im a grown ass man.

Sansa's been imprisoned, raped and mentally tortured for almost a decade in GOT time. Arya's been on the run seeing atrocities along the way and went to hardcore ninja school along with catching hella bodies.

Yet we are back with Arya disgusted at Sansa's goals to be high royalty. My issue is that they haven't sold me on Sansa trying to push out Jon, and how easy Littlefinger was able to play two people who by this stage of the game should be over his shenanigans.

It's like I get the beef and its actually a great callback to how we don't let childhood shit go, its just the circumstances get me. Like Sansa going to Littlefinger for advice. Really?

if she saw them fighting

I think Sansa knows there's been some tampering which is why she was asking where she got the letter

Arya ain't wrong to question her loyalty tho which is why that threat is so G

All Arya gotta do is where here face and Sansa will be there and gone at the same time

Sht pretty dope if you ask me

cause she was on Joffrey's nutz.

Arya hasn't forgot that shit.

Which is why Arya lettin Sansa know she's in Check and can get mated real quick like if she make a false move

It's a shame that the sisters can be pitted against each other but it makes sense too since

they've been at odds with each other from the beginning

like something else will be revealed and it's not just two sisters bickering and letting littlefinger play them.

sense whatsoever

2 sisters still beefing because they want different things and use different methods to get it.

I mean, seeing Arya sword play with ease with ole girl like that? Her early sword play with Joffrey that set off a shit storm of events?

Arya seeing Sansa get her title by prolly doing the same shit she was doing since she was 14 or so...

sisters get real funny when it comes to a Fathers love, so the tension when their father is killed and whom is responsible? hmmm.. if I saw that letter Arya saw what would I do?

as she knows that her sister ain't have shit to do with it?

not to mention she watched and followed LF who stashed the 'letter'...a letter written years ago...


she just watched a play all last season giving the backstory of what happened

and what is her grudge? that her sister was prissy while she was a tomboy? https://media.giphy.com/media/G4ZNYMQVMH6us/giphy.gif


Sansa KNOWS and confirmed that she don't eff/trust w/Lil Finger...then she goes and sends Brienne away...who ALSO brings up Lil Finger...after she warned her the 1st couple times and was ready to chop his head off last season before the battle of the bastards...


they are either setting her and arya up for playing lil finger (which makes sense) or establishing Sansa as a complete idiot even after she has proven otherwise despite people inflicting their feelings abt her...which doesn't

like, I GET the sibling beef...its just the circumstances around it.

There's plenty of other political and personal squabbles they could have to have had them not trust each other...maybe Arya steps on Sansa's toes when it comes to military stuff cause she feels she knows nothing, maybe Sansa insists Arya stay and not do her list because her responsibility is to helping the North stay stable, not for petty revenge. There's plenty of good conflict they could write cause this is motherfucking game of thrones...they are known for this shit.

And this shit below is inexcusable; if Sansa was this dumb she wouldda already wouldda got talked into fucking Littlefinger by littlefinger...its not consistent.


>Sansa KNOWS and confirmed that she don't eff/trust w/Lil
>Finger...then she goes and sends Brienne away...who ALSO
>brings up Lil Finger...after she warned her the 1st couple
>times and was ready to chop his head off last season before
>the battle of the bastards...
>
>
>they are either setting her and arya up for playing lil finger
>(which makes sense) or establishing Sansa as a complete idiot
>even after she has proven otherwise despite people inflicting
>their feelings abt her...which doesn't

>>>And this shit below is inexcusable; if Sansa was this dumb she wouldda already wouldda got talked into fucking Littlefinger by littlefinger...its not consistent.

these sisters didn't know what the other has been through until now and we have no idea if they believe what the other is saying.

Arya think she's been playing princess this whole time

and she has...but a dark dystopian princess

not sure what the side eye is for..

everyone else is running while she's usually caught watching...

im never surprised by her stupidity or inaction

Her moves were made because of

1)Others extremes towards her (rape, torture)
2)Political ploys put on her lap (littlefinger).

As opposed to Anya who basically knew what she wanted to be day one and has been pro-active

>everyone else is running while she's usually caught
>watching...
>
>im never surprised by her stupidity or inaction

and i'm not being sexist...

i'm just considering her world

she aint arya...she aint a tomboy

she not on Cersei level yet but that's the whole point...she getting there

what move did SHE make that was dumb?

she was forced to write a letter as a child abt her father being a traitor...........ok that's a lot of things...but dumb...nah

for continuing to keep LF close after he's served his use

she's much more inactive and ineffective reacting than anything

she basically serves no purpose to anyone there except LF

she's dumb bc she's so easily used

you don't have to be a tomboy to have some form of fight

what has she done so far that's been anywhere near as useful, clever, other than literally the only good thing she's done all season which was mostly done by LF btw

she's leveraged that relationship for one thing and one thing only lol

she's accomplished nothing since and before except an extraordinary ability to get rescued by shitty guys

'undermining' Jon wasn't dumb....rewatch what she said...JON is dumb....at EVERY turn...she tryin to look out for him..and i like Jon...but he is a Stark...Stark men = Schtoopppit (c) Sansa


>for continuing to keep LF close after he's served his use
>

i agree here...unless she setting him up...which i think she is...again she coulda murked him last season when Brienne was ready to chop his head off


>she's much more inactive and ineffective reacting than
>anything
>
>she basically serves no purpose to anyone there except LF
>

She literally saved Winterfell....if she ain't send that Raven...Jon would be dead.....again....and keep in mind this is after she warned him NOT to fall into Ramsey's trap...

>she's dumb bc she's so easily used
>

LF uses any and everybody...Cersei used her when she was a child...Ramsey was a psychopath...that's abt all who 'used' her

>you don't have to be a tomboy to have some form of fight
>
>what has she done so far that's been anywhere near as useful,
>clever, other than literally the only good thing she's done
>all season which was mostly done by LF btw
>
>she's leveraged that relationship for one thing and one thing
>only lol
>
>she's accomplished nothing since and before except an
>extraordinary ability to get rescued by shitty guys

Disagree...but ok

JUST ONE

she's still dumb for undermining Jon in front of everyone else

she could have easily talked sense to him in private without being a disrespectful little shit who has lots of "don't do this" but zero "do this instead"

(btw his crazy plans worked outside of the Ramsey trap - Robb was actually smart but made a fatal mistake...Ned and Jon are a bit slow but it's their lack of underhandedness that makes them seem stupid)


his gamble worked when it came to Dany

his focus is on everyone surviving the night king's army

her focus is on her surviving her next victimizer



Jon has made a lot of the right moves long term except for the battle of the bastards...even the choice he made that got him shanked was a smart choice...he needed the new additional numbers but he also shouldn't have turned his back on the obvious mutiny-prone NW

Sansa has had just about every male character save her plus Brienne and it's often just by existing

and i say season 1...meaning post Ned beheading

what move, given her position could she have possibly taken to idk...do something?

she was sposed to kill her aunt?
her cousin?
Cersei?
the Hound?
Ramsey?
LittleFinger? ok...don't answer that one lol

she was outmatched...she was a child being used by adults

she is coming into her own as it relates to power...she NEVER had any

and while I agree she doesn't spell out what to do vs not to do...
it is known NOW that she aint dumb...as even acknowledged by Jon himself

she's a constant victim...that's my point...even damsels in distress can leverage situations to be less shitty

when Arya first started...she could have been the same...she wasn't...she ran for her life and survived through action not inaction

Marg was able to tame Joff/Tom and if Cersei had a penis...she would probably be the mother of dragons by now...

Sansa has infinite plot armor through victimization and as smart as she is...she's still more prone to inaction and complaining rather than using her wits or any resources...she had to be led by the hand by LF and Tyrion and still sloppy with the politics

what good is being smart for a Stark if the dumber ones get more done?

Sansa aint even in top 3 of smart Starks to me...she's done ONE THING right in 7 seasons...how is EVERYONE more resourceful then her?

Theon got his dick snatched by the same torturer who raped her...and that nigga saved her...cmon man...Sansa isn't smart enough to warrant that title by anyone other than Jon and Jon is as smart but just less compromising on his morals which is also sometimes smart (it's why the wildlings will fuck with him forever). he had to die for it but as far as smarts go...wildlings had way more numbers than the NW

in fact...i think she only seems smarter bc she has less morals...she wants what she wants and has no code on how to achieve it...and guess how she achieves it? she waits lol

Robb was smart...Jon has made smart and important decisions (he's not even a real stark)...Even Bran who for the longest was probably in the bottom 2 of the smarts department managed to escape shit as a cripple

The Starks ranked by smarts:

Robb
Arya

Everyone else tied for who gives a fuck

she trying to make the snake (littlefinger) poke his head up out the hole

that young lady is NOT dumb(!)

littlefinger is prolly dead or imprisoned next episode

and both are gong at each others necks just like they did when they were kids. It's glorious writing to me. The snark from both of them.

Sansa: "i been through hell... why didn't you save father? EYE saved the day not Jon"

Arya: "while you were in your room knitting? You really want Jon gone so you can run shit. You still a soft ass bitch, I got bodies"

man, I got 2 sisters and my wife and her sister stay in competition. Women never forget shit and like ole girl said on Blackish... "well.. white women, we hate everyone."

You gotta remember one of their last interactions was when Sansa took Joffrey's side and got the direwolf killed.

Sansa's always been a few lines away from being on that list. On top of the fact one of the main things she's learned from surviving is to not trust anyone.

except to preserve her own life.

LF taught her.

Definitely my favorite character but at this point after killing all the people that she has killed, butchering frey's and serving them as meat pies to their dad, well, she would have to be off the deep in to a certain extent.

No way she returns after all that and returns home as a chery little sis. The beef they had as children would play out on a much larger scale to some extent.

I dig it because it would make sense that reuniting at last wouldn't squash old beef and they wouldn't live happily ever after.




>except to preserve her own life.
>
>LF taught her.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Sansa has shown she will do anything to get a title so why would Arya come home thinking Sansa hasn't been doing shady shit to get where she is?

We don't yet know her motivations for her behavior. We just know that, on the surface, she's pissed-- and to be fair, she has a right to be-- but I'm not yet convinced that this isn't part of a longer plan to get Littlefinger the fuck out of there. Because otherwise I feel like the *first* thing she would've done is told Sansa, "Yo, Littlefinger sought this thing out-- what do you think he's up to?"

reason

if she's finally learned...

maybe, just maybe she's being a bitch towards Jon bc she's setting up LF for failure but if so...it would only be the 2nd thing she's done right over all the seasons

so when shes saying that stuff to her she knows its the truth,the truth still shows she was(is?) weak though


which is probably why she decided at the moment to not kill her?


or like i mentioned previously this is all some kind of ruse

but lord, the heavy-handedness of it all...

Like, I like the basic idea of them being trapped by all sides by zombies but it would have been much less of action movie setpieces.

In old GOT, they wouldda been more careful and had more of a plan...would have been forced to find shelter in Casters Keep (where the original Lord Mormont got murked when the Nightwatch went across the wall).

They would have talked, character motivations would have been made clear by show, not tell...they would have figured out a day or two of food to have that sequence of events (Gentry running, the raven, the dragons) seem organic. They would have had a debate on the cabin on how they want to die, maybe threatened to kill Snow for this dumb idea... etc...before the zombies broke through and Dany came with the literal heaters.

Here, UNDEAD BEARS. WORLD WAR Z ZOMBIES. FLAMING FUCKING SWORDS.

to sacrifice himself to save Jon

that might have been my most wtf moment. He could have grabbed Jon and took him to the wall on the horse but guess was afraid the walkers would follow him? Like they ain't heading that way anyways.. Was he just watching them the whole time waiting or where the fuck he come from? lol

but I think some of these guys are tired as shit and want to go out like G's

From reading other sources I was reminded that he was undead and could not pass to the next life until he had completed his purpose. Which seems to have been to save John. There was a better way to end his arc other than a way to conveniently get Jon out of that situation (and it seemed the only reason Jon was put in that situation was so that Benjen can save him).



>to sacrifice himself to save Jon
>
>that might have been my most wtf moment. He could have
>grabbed Jon and took him to the wall on the horse but guess
>was afraid the walkers would follow him? Like they ain't
>heading that way anyways.. Was he just watching them the
>whole time waiting or where the fuck he come from? lol


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

on some "he can defend himself, he's a hard worker, he pays his bills on time, and he's not even trying to get with me at all...I gotta have that"


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I get you want to have Jon have a near death experience to set up another scene where Dany's nipples get hard over Jon's doe eyed manliness.

But we have my man taking 20 minutes to hop into the dragon-uber when everyone else makes it just to set him off 'dying' by getting dragged into ice water by zombies.

So cool...ILL BUY THAT THE NIGGA IS HYPOTHERMIA PROOF AND LEARNED UNDERWATER COMBAT.

you're telling me after all that Jon is immortal shit we still gotta have Benjen fly outta nowhere to save him? This was a case where they wanted to tie that loose plot point before the show ended(although the show did a shitty job of making us care about him).

If Jon had enough plot armor to survive the ice drowning it just seems stupid to have him have to get saved again...you got back to back 'that nigga shouldda been so dead' scenes...it felt like they said we gotta wrap that Benjen plot point B and throw that shit on a wall.

like they wouldn't be able to take off in time which is why he fought off the white walkers

and the same thing with his uncle.

Dany also had that speech about heroes dying.

Which will give all of the outside creatures in the North backstory. Br Jen has to be mysterious. Right now the north is still mysterious (which it is in the books as well). The last episode will set up for next season being the war in the north and then probably finish with the war for the Kingdoms.

with that said...

Awesome TV as far as action

and for the 1st time...horrible dialogue/plot(s)

Those dudes can't write (this story without source material)
It's dumbed down as hell

Episode was so good.

Between the bear attack, the dragons showing up in the nick of time and one getting

Converted to the Nation of IcePalm - this sht finna be stew pit.

>Converted to the Nation of IcePalm - this sht finna be stew
>pit.

in the flat
but instead went for the deep ball

was he just showing off? or a reason he left khaleesi n drogon alive?

The night king is closer to the magic of the world than most..

He was made directly by the children of the forest... he has crazy ass power to turn the dead into wights and babies into white walkers AND we know from last season he can see and interact with Bran in the astral plane...

Imo the whole battle was a trap....

No one actually knows what the others want... could be danerys

Online speculation/theory is that craster was a targaryen so all the night kings white walker generals are targaryens and now we have viscerian the white walker (not wight)

He might need her alive or need to cross the wall to make her the night queen...

Season 8 shall be lit regardless

If Bran can warg into ice dragon viscerian... wooo

as far as Bran...i FINALLY figured one thing out
he is the 3 eyed raven...the 3 eyes are the past, present, and future...i havent fleshed out the totality of that connection to the NK besides maybe the NK NOW has those same abilities


i can see the Night King 'plottin' to get Dany to come thru with a dragon but my thing is why not murk Drogon...he intentionally didn't hit HIM and went for the other one...Dany coulda still been spared for his lil night queen or whatever

i can see the Berric/ Craster thing but not sure abt that specific dragon and his name being the link

>as far as Bran...i FINALLY figured one thing out
>he is the 3 eyed raven...the 3 eyes are the past, present, and
>future...i havent fleshed out the totality of that connection
>to the NK besides maybe the NK NOW has those same abilities
>
>
He always did... NK is basically levels above melissandre (i.e. She is becoming/fueled by fire) in terms of magic...

Basixally dude is lucifer and frankenstien in one... crazy experiment realized his power and is flexing..

>i can see the Night King 'plottin' to get Dany to come thru
>with a dragon but my thing is why not murk Drogon...he
>intentionally didn't hit HIM and went for the other one...Dany
>coulda still been spared for his lil night queen or whatever
>

When Dany is on Drogon she has a mental connection created in order to fly no? So trying to kill drogon could risk dany..

>i can see the Berric/ Craster thing but not sure abt that
>specific dragon and his name being the link

I dont think it was specifically viscerian I am saying that at the end viscerian isnt raised he is touched and turned... which is interesting considering we have only seen beings turned 3 times... crasters baby, the night king and now the dragon...

Grabbed the ice javelin like "wah dis sht cug."

Thew that bih like *fewn*

Hit that dragon like *blam*

Playboy holla'd like *uhhhhhhn* (Master P voice)

Hit that ice water like *splash*

Then reached for another ice javelin like "clearly y'all think I'm for play but errrm..."

Then Dany nem bunked out and he missed like *whoosh*

could have easily dodged or perhaps melted that ice spear the Night King threw; he targeted the one that was furthest away since it would have been harder for that dragon to see the spear and then avoid it.

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easier....


a five yard wide open drag route vs a deep post into cloudy coverage lol

wasnt paying attention.

i feel like he went for the other one bc it was an immediate threat and bc he didn't want to have his wights wiped out only to get snow coned by Jon

he's not afraid of Bran but he be looking at Jon like "maybe next battle" every single time lol

he be throwing his generals at him like "another one bites the dust"

and making up drama to keep parties intertwined.... After all they've been through, Sansa and should not be at odds at all, unless they're playing LF....the sibling rivalry stuff is dumb because as Arya herself said, they have totally different goals.... I just realized though, that after all they've been through all the Stark kids are kinda mental... Jon comes up with and tries to execute HORRIBLE plans on the regular....His heart is in the right place though.... Sansa is a bit off because who wouldn't be after going what she went through? Same goes for Arya... The way she kills without a second thought is proof enough... Bran? C'mon.....

what has Sansa been through thru that's any worse than what Jon, Arya, etc have been through?

Jon was killed
Arya was stabbed in the gut, blinded, etc...

Sansa was raped on her wedding night and GoT fans acted like it was the first rape they ever saw on GoT... these aren't my words I just remember the fall out after that episode and someone finally pointed out how they have watched countless rapes and savage murders but all a sudden with Sansa it was too much.

...they've all been through horrible things....

...and I said there should be NO rivalry... there really isn't one... just two people who never understood each other

and it's always been a competition for Sansa and Arya.

Why didn't Arya come home like PARTY time when she saw Sansa come up?

Why was Sansa looking at Arya like "this bitch got skills now?"

I mean, it's called Game of Thrones for a reason. Folks have been questioning loyalty from jump.

but the fact they don't understand or appreciate each other fuels the foolishness

bc she's that hard to like as a character

not to mention...they gained skills (well, mostly one of them did)

the other just happens to have people save her all the time...she's literally the damsel in distress with mad mouth (let's not forget she been pissing off Jon for so long he decided death by night king might be better)

Arya is one-track minded about revenge...Sansa seems to be determined to get on Arya's list throughout the entire season whether it be through shitty fame-chasing or being the useless damsel in distress.

I'm still not sold neither can't see what LF is doing...but i'm pretty sure they have legit reasons to be pissed...in Arya's eyes...despite all the trauma...Sansa is just playing queen and keeps undermining Jon

Sansa looks to be repeating treachery that got Arya so hellbent in the first place

They can give me bad war plans and deus ex machinas all goddamn day. I could not care the slightest bit less. We're in Act 3 of the story-- it makes perfect sense that we'd have more action, more important characters surviving, more battles, etc.

Besides, if GRRM spends all his time coming up with quasi-interesting shit for these endlessly lengthy travels the characters are making out of narrative necessity, then he is NEVER finishing those goddamn books, lol. Just give us some time leaps, GRRM. It's okay.

Everything you said. Given they gotta wrap this shit up the travel time is the least of my worries.

... but whatever

n/m

like 7 years is enough time to build a story.
we gettin characters together who haven't shared screentime since season 1
storylines we been waitin for the dots to connect this whole time
KHALEESI FINALLY SAW THE WHITE WALKERS AND THEY HAVE A FUCKING ZOMBIE DRAGON
niggas is complainin how a flight to north of the wall should have had a 2 hour layover in winterfell

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

Game Of Thrones got people spoiled. This was better than alot of movies ive seen recently. There are only so many episodes left, im not trying to see twenty mins of a raven flying to dragonstone or people riding horses up and down Westoros.

I get it, there's 7 eps left and a lot to wrap up.

It's all the plot holes and characters doing shit that doesn't fit their motivations that's wack as fuck. This episode was so bad in that regard.

It's lazy writing but if you're cool with it then hey, good for you.

Now, that said, I expect the season finale to be fantastic.

To each his own i guess.

.

seems like anytime GOT shits on a fan favorite folks get mad as fuck and shit on the writing.

i heard my neighbors yelling angrily when that happened and i aint have them pegged as GOT watchers either lol

who do recaps...

the show is now for the 'Ooohhh Dragons' people
who would prolly feel some kinda way the dragon got hit with a snowball


the dialogue plots etc...are questionable...ESPECIALLY that last ep
like Promo said...its a common criticism for that ep

i agree about everything else

i know someone who aint seen an episode before season 5 pissed about the dragon...

pissed on 2 parts

the fact that it got killed

the fact that it's #TeamLawrence now

i mean it's tv so of course it's gonna get a strong reaction
they prolly couldn't even name the green one....
Drogon could/would elicit emotions

and this is after weeks of pretty much hinting that at least one would eat it

they yelled when he got killed and moaned when the NK claimed his spoils

it had to be the one named after the shitty brother...i called that one eating against Jaime (NK was like i got you goldfingers)

Drogon and Raygon are his and hers for Dany and Jon

but people was hot...especially those who thought the dragons were safe after bronn missed out on Drogon

like 5 minutes


haha

Like GRRM gave Benioff and Weiss a list of things that we're going to happen after the published book and running through without being concerned about the how's and the why's

cause i'd bet my ass Book 6 is nothing more than bullet points and is NEVER. COMING. OUT.

Happy go lucky Beric "I'm just happy to be here (again)"

Thoros "Don't mind me im wasted"


Just ridiculously upbeat and positive


"got bit by an ice bear, crazy life amirite?"

a ridiculous amount of money goes into this show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx9dRL1BCCQ

Just a thought I seen in the fire of my swisher ...

The hound is on that boat with
Dany right?

Don't know why he would but what if the Hound rides with them to Kings Landing too? This needs to happen asap.

Who would you put money on?
I got the Hound, the Mountain ain't hungry no more. He don't even catch bodies these days. And he look outta shape.

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damn she lookin fly as fuck this season

>damn she lookin fly as fuck this season

Any guesses as to why longclaw (jons sword) eyes opened when he came out the water?

it looked more like the gem stones catching the light

https://youtu.be/L2qdH4MY2g0

As in light shining through the gem stones was distorted.


Exact same thing happened in an earlier season

Certainly possible

so it's actually jon''s hand that we see in the wolf's eye.

has me confident that even if Sansa is still the same ol useless asshat

and Arya is just a bloodthirsty brat

either bran will intervene somehow or it works itself out another way

i figured a dragon would eat it if for no other reason to dispel the Tyrion as a Targ dragon rider myth

i knew the priest would get it but i thought his boy would too...

the random ass nobodies dying in those scenes were jarring bc they never showed the extras until they died...i was like "who the fuck was that" on all 5 of those random wight deaths

I reject Bran as the Night King although i agree they are somehow linked...i haven't figured out that part at all yet though...i don't understand why the children of the forest couldn't undo their mistake though

The rushed pace and time-hopping doesn't bother me as much as some of the sloppy storytelling...if they really wanted to save time...wrap this littlefinger shit up...get back to gray worm...and give bran a few things to do on camera so he doesn't feel like GRRM forgot about him too

Can't let it get lost in this post. The question is why did Sansa send Brienne South. His response:

I guess you can take it one of two ways:

1. at face value (PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED) she wants to send someone that wont be killed/imprisoned on sight

2. they are fucking with littlefinger, they want him to think his "plan" is working


think of it this way, his explanation about Brienne's role wasnt to give Sansa advice to seek help from Brienne, but actually to let her know she should do somethin with her if she has her own "plans" for Arya

of course theres a 3rd but unlikely option

she actually is planning to kill Arya and wanted Brienne to not have any conflict of interest




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>1. at face value (PUN DEFINITELY INTENDED) she wants to send
>someone that wont be killed/imprisoned on sight
>


This makes the most sense...

>2. they are fucking with littlefinger, they want him to think
>his "plan" is working
>
>


not sure if that was even necessary then...he already thinks the plan is working and even though she tries to act like she's learned from LF...she's never actually put a plan into action that remotely works...she doesn't even seem to have a real endgame in general even with her advice to Jon...

her objective is to continue to focus on the Lannisters and fight them and ignore the white walkers...but if that's the case...the last thing you do is send your top fighter to them

face value makes much more sense and she's not clever and i doubt she's even stupid enough to take on Arya after her displays so far

maybe they are both in the know and they want her out of the way to keep her from spoiling the act...but beyond that...the rest doesn't fit well

At the end of their interaction, Arya hands Sansa the dagger -- hilt first. It looked like a threat at first... until she gave Sansa the dagger. The only way that makes sense to me is if she's trying to signal to Sansa that she can be her weapon. I kinda think Arya was telling Sansa, I can kill Littlefinger -- just give me the word. And if Arya is telling Sansa that she can be her weapon, it makes sense that she feels that she can now send Brienne to King's Landing.

Maybe I'm hoping it's more clever writing than it looks to be on the surface.