Trailer tonight.

Dope poster here:https://twitter.com/theblackpanther/status/873162791636566016

Most important movie of 2018

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But I got concerns about how much he'll be handcuffed by the big budget and Marvel's micromanaging.

i mean, i know why, but damn.

Just think of the number paid people that looked at that and said "yep, that looks good. Lets go with that."

Movie posters have the same problem as movie trailers......the marketing team handles them instead of the creatives that are making the film.

Marketing probably has an approach where they have to present the film in a light that gets the most people to the theater.
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NNNIIIGGGGAAAA!!!!

https://youtu.be/dxWvtMOGAhw

https://media.tenor.co/images/c51030b2998240a04441d7ebf4f059ef/tenor.gif

Was already going to see this. But the visuals here have me even more hype! Now, please?

and I NEVER see superhero flicks opening weekend.

.

I want to be in a theater in Nairobi opening weekend going nuts.

can't tell you how long I've been wanting to see something that just looked like this

https://www.facebook.com/wale.oyejide/posts/10154492266821791

"Ikiré Jones is in Marvel's "Black Panther""


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrAXCLdqQE0

So dope!!

That trailer looks sick....

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I'm in that bidge opening day looking like King Jaffe Joffer

Also lookin forward to all they
ofaye-mad-making this film is gonna generate.

There's gonna be some sure-fire entertainment had.

I'm callin it now.

I saw was someone saying it looked like an old No Limit Records album cover, lol

Trailer was cool...cg is obviously not done yet (movie only wrapped production in April). I was already going to see it anyway. Might skip on the follow up trailers...don't want to see too much before hand.

This made me smile

https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/889207588948123648

That's probably gonna be me once I see it.

Marvel Studios' Black Panther - Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjDjIWPwcPU

Coogler is the fucking man

Shout out to Vince getting a nice look on Bagbak.

Now that I've seen this twice I have so much to say about it especially the colonialism and slavery themes.

For now, I say see this in IMAX (the scenes formatted in IMAX pop).

I need Ludwig Göransson's score which fuses African chants and hard-hitting 808s.

And I need Rachel Morrison to be nominated for cinematography again next year at the Oscars.

More soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUCcx4JEClQ

I know sometimes Marvel throws out different
versions for the trailers and teasers, so I
hope that's the case here. That mess looks
like Catwoman w/ Halle Berry.

That's literally the climax.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-07/12/21/enhanced/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-02/anigif_original-grid-image-29913-1499909481-6.gif?crop=257:257;0,9&downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

...during the climax that it makes that fight emotional and satisfying.

That's why I hate clips out of context of the film.

Anyway, I have to agree with Boogie. Not a fan of this CGI. Still going to see it but this is why I lowered my expectations. It looks kinda cheesy at times in the clips I have seen.

I hope the non action is on point.

n/m

They don't deserve it at all

Let's not get it twisted. Two white guys created Black Panther.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Gotta try and stay positive lol

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

which makes it more whack that the money goes to a company started by a Nazi supporter who actually hired an SS Officer

Never forget

That was on top of his game and popularity, and knew that if he didn't do it that it probably wouldn't have happened the way it needed to. Say what you want about Disney or Marvel, but Jack Kirby deserves respect for what he did the same way Gary Webb did, for example; despite his roots I still take my hat off to him, if for nothing else than his open support of All-Negro Comics #1.

true believer (c) Stanley Lieberman

How and why do you know all this shit about all these random people?

middle aged men who can't miss marvel movie #567 are much more embarassing to me

is exhausting.

Dude is always on some 6 degrees of evil. Regardless of the topic he can link it back to the Illuminati, slavery, nazis or UFO’s

I was just thinking, earlier, about how much fun dude must be at parties lol

“My sista you know cheese comes from the Caucas region which enslaved our people, Kraft company was a huge Nazi supporter and their parent company was part of the slave trade.

My nigga is Shazza from A Different World

who was celebrating the prospect of taking this new land for the white man

>
>My nigga is Shazza from A Different World

You sir deserve a gold star

But sometimes I’m like “how the hell this dude know the background of so many people?”

“The producer of that movie? Oh. His daddy’s daddy was a German Southern Baptiste Jew”

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/514/591/3591514.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWFzmoy0rw

>Regardless of the topic he can link it back to the Illuminati, slavery, nazis or UFO’s

*runs out of room screaming the Fibonacci sequence*

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2REcs5aJJRAw9po1H_E3H0ONGRk1CgT38NoeI_1SaLyUpVQ

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>How and why do you know all this shit about all these random
>people?

https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoyyLkZFsAofO0M/giphy.gif

his okp name

the GQ african dude who came out with his own line

there are some of his pieces in it.

took me too long to realize it

but yeah i thought i remembered seeing or hearing that

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://youtu.be/YsXg3J1x4OY

my blackness will not allow me to admit it. gotta stay on message

It's still Marvel's movie.
Probably best to keep in mind that every Black
person there is a pawn in the game from the actors
to the director. Marvel created the story, and
the pawns aren't allowed to deviate from it, so your
Blackness won't be compromised in the least if you
call a wack product wack in this instance.

like De La, Tribe, and Outkast's initial album runs

He was already hot coming off of Creed, proving he can make an installment in a franchise and put his mark on it.

From the sound of it, he's done it again with BP.

Which upitty cracker is gonna tank that score first?

Dude can't help himself.

Armond's opinions are, typically, gigantic reaches that read well but are confounding as hell. Also, he tends to give the older generation of directors way too much credit for films that are just decent while totally shitting on younger directors for doing a lot of the same.

I wonder if his opinions would be different if he didn't write for the National Review.

Exhibit A: A 'Better Than Black' List of Black Films
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456119/black-history-month-movies-list-new-york-times-liberal-bias

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Pretty sure he ended up in National Review AFTER he had all those blowbacks a few years ago. Dude's bounced from major respected literary places but eventually he trolls a bit too hard and disappears, lol

Dude really elevates conservative trolling to an artform...smh.

One from a dumbass in Ireland.

The other from some white chick on the site Urban Cinefile (looks into the camera).

through a contest on my website.

http://www.cahuggins.com/black-panther-contest/

You get more entries if you share the Giveaway after you enter and a friend enter's.

Thanks.

Might go back this weekend where I can support and also get better seats. MBJ was probably my favorite actor.

I am so excited just off of what she has to say about the film:


http://collider.com/black-panther-interviews-production-design-hannah-beachler/#wakanda

sans Iron Man 1

i wanted Winter Soldier GREAT

surprised they killed Klaw and Killmonger

i bet everyone dies in IW

P

>i bet everyone dies in IW

There will definitely be a BP2

>

>i bet everyone dies in IW

I'm thinking maybe Doctor Strange will have to revive everyone or something.
We'll see.

for Wakanda

or how they weren't impressed because of the hype.


it was very, very good.


anyone who tells you different is a lie

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>it was very, very good.
>
>
>anyone who tells you different is a lie
>

It wasn't perfect, but you almost have to nitpick to find faults.

^^^^^^^

.

and maybe it's just me, but the cgi looked kinda weak in certain spots

the costumes, the suspense, the fight scenes, the funny one-liners, it was all great.

I fell in love with Lupita all over again. All of the women in the film were dope as hell.

I hope they don't make us wait too long for BP2.

Heard some people say Michael B. was too extra. I didn't think so, I think it was Chadwick that was too mediocre in the midst of great supporting roles that carried the movie.

dope allegories for the real life relationship between Africans and African Americans.

The women were dope.

would see again in Imax

YEAH GOD!

surprise.....

just a dammm good movie.

Just wondering.

I would hate to be killed off in the original cause this is going to be a franchise

Plus this is the marvel universe. We thought Bucky mighta been dead.

Plus if you know the comics...

when told from a truly Black narrative. I loved it!!!!! First time, I was just watching. Hoping it would live up to the early hype and have the same, if not better, quality than previous Marvel films. It did. We went to a late show and my wife and I stayed up 'til 2 a.m. talking about the subtleties, diversity in character, and the narrative if a Black superhero lived today in the age of colonialism, racism, and Black genocide. It was a good story and you actually cared about the characters, what they represented, and each one's end game.

We plan on going again tomorrow and now that I know the quality is there, I will enjoy it even more for what it is. A story from our perspective. Loved the optics and storytelling.

All of his grievances were legit.


SN: That fight for the crown between Killmonger and T'Challa was perfectly executed. Everything from the actual fight to MBJ's lines (with that Bay Area accent lol) to that score was truly great.


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..this movie faced every expectation you could ever imagine for a blockbuster franchise.

with the weight of the (entertainment) world on its shoulders:

it delivers.

marvel stays in stride with another box office smash.

and baby sis, shuri?

damn-near stole the show.

i was fortunate to be able to watch this in a theatre full of fam & friends of all ages, and i heard everything from laughter to tears, and back to laughter again.

*shoutout to the homie, woe.is.me. and his brand, ikire jones, representing the finest fabric in wakanda.

i'll be back with a full review later. for now, i'm just gonna ride this wave and enjoy the smiles on the faces of all these families returning to the theatre like we haven't seen years.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Loved it...

MBJ was a weak link though... he carried grievances well but not the poise of a trained killer.. He aint been to war or in the streets...

And his high pitched angry voice is... eeehh

But there isnt anyone thats in his age range that could kill the role either...

The use of spears as the primary 'gotta get my hands dirty' action weapon as opposed to medieval swords

The classic action movie sequence of the hero being down and out and getting a vision/having a dream replaced with people dialing up the ancestors like its calling long distance

How the super advanced science lab looked like they hired an interior decorator to put the finishing touches as opposed to the totalitarian-chic labs are in this kind of movie.

Ive got issues with the movie (the CGI, how risky it was with the visuals/universe but not the script) but it was such a singular unique vision I can't be mad. Its a fucking weird time in Hollywood...while shit is getting generic as hell its like a golden era for blockbuster auteur action movies (mad max, blade runner, this)

I keep hearing the waterfalls fights but I didn't think it was that bad...

And the plot didn't work for me....

I knew Black Panther couldn't have really died of course so that whole section where Michael was trying to take over felt like to dragged to me.

Also Michael went out in a very anti climatic fashion...I get they were trying to drive home how sympathetic BP is but "maybe we can heal you after you tried to kill me twice and almost kill my sister" don't work for me.

Like when they had em doing the shiny happy people dance on those mountain ledges and it looked like someone copy/pasted each of those couples in Imovie, lol. Marvel’s CGI hasnt been perfect but with Thor 3, Doc Strange, Guardians Of Galaxy series it seemed they were getting to be top tier, this feels like the texh they were doing five years ago


>I knew Black Panther couldn't have really died of course so
>that whole section where Michael was trying to take over felt
>like to dragged to me.

my nitpick was how unelegant it was even tho it was explained in the movie as the CIA technique(lol, the undercover shade)

>Also Michael went out in a very anti climatic fashion...I get
>they were trying to drive home how sympathetic BP is but
>"maybe we can heal you after you tried to kill me twice and
>almost kill my sister" don't work for me.

I could see the same person twice on the mountain lmao.

I’ve been reading comics for the last 30 years, seeing something like this with my son, I just can’t explain what that meant.

- Killmonger was black sex symbol Magneto and people are acting like they've never seen a villain make points worth thinking about

- I wasnt crazy about there needing to be a bad guy in the black (African American) vs. African conflict and said bad guy being more like me. Marvel (a white company) signed off on this and there's no way they'd ever green light a film about black superheroes violently fighting for racial equality

but that aside, this has to be the greatest black movie I've ever seen.

>- I wasnt crazy about there needing to be a bad guy in the
>black (African American) vs. African conflict and said bad guy
>being more like me.

I kinda would've liked for his arguments to be presented better and with a better plan, if not by him then by someone else. It's like the one Black person who wanted American Black people to get some justice just happens to be evil as hell. That's not coincidence. The depiction could easily be read as Black justice claims being inherently violent and terroristic. All that was needed was another Black American voice who felt similarly with a more feasible plan. I don't mind his character, but without balance it's like they were saying "this is how yall American Blacks look who want Black folk to be empowered." That was the person who represented me and every other American Black person in that movie, and he's really only a reflection/product of white terrorism without the wherewithal to realize it. I reject that.

Aside from that tho, the movie is really good.

.

That actually shows how easy it would've been to include that counter voice, b/c they could've had that talk when Erik took the heart-shaped herb.

is bc it showed how misguided he was by basically adopting "their" practices in his search for justice

I think it's fairly accurate that justice isn't pretty and is an unreachable ideal for the most part...it's emotionally charged and the lines between it and wrath are shifty

At the very root, the Black American with a tie to descendants of slaves is the enemy here, definitely, while the Africans are the good guys. That in itself is something our system keeps telling us over and over. I talked about this on the boards before tho. Black Americans have a justice claim and are more likely to fight for that "being difficult" to white folks. As descendants of slaves, we don't understand how much we're falling behind when we are the ones who experienced the injustice that Affirmative Action was an attempt to start correcting. Too many Africans accept those benefits while calling us names and kissing up to white folks while neither understanding our plight nor fighting for our cause. Of course racists prefer THAT underclass over us.
Add that to the fact that this idea that the Black male simply imitates his oppressor is taken from Michelle Wallace who had some really problematic views of Black men with no data to support them. So there, it looks like we're watching the cinematic depiction of that. And again, my biggest problem is that he doesn't realize that's what he's doing, and I think part of the reason it's so easy for so many of us to accept that is because we've heard it so much. And again, I reject that, because it's true sometimes, but as a person intelligent enough to do all he did, he would have known better and had a better plan.
I could go on and on, but I think that should suffice.

>At the very root, the Black American with a tie to
>descendants of slaves is the enemy here, definitely, while the
>Africans are the good guys.

Huge oversimplification and the movie does a good job of showing how extreme both were...his dad LITERALLY KILLED his brother and refused to save him...They can't do the mental work for the audience...they can't...they didn't even offer a solution bc "Solution's hard"...the resolution was "let's be less extreme" lol

>That in itself is something our
>system keeps telling us over and over. I talked about this on
>the boards before tho. Black Americans have a justice claim
>and are more likely to fight for that "being difficult" to
>white folks. As descendants of slaves, we don't understand
>how much we're falling behind when we are the ones who
>experienced the injustice that Affirmative Action was an
>attempt to start correcting. Too many Africans accept those
>benefits while calling us names and kissing up to white folks
>while neither understanding our plight nor fighting for our
>cause.

That's not entirely their fault...they've got their own issues with white people to work out and while i don't appreciate that sentiment...it has little to no impact on day to day life any more than any other random micro-aggression. It's also a pretty big generalization I'd make with much more room for potentially being off-base

>Of course racists prefer THAT underclass over us.
>Add that to the fact that this idea that the Black male simply
>imitates his oppressor is taken from Michelle Wallace who had
>some really problematic views of Black men with no data to
>support them. So there, it looks like we're watching the
>cinematic depiction of that. And again, my biggest problem is
>that he doesn't realize that's what he's doing, and I think
>part of the reason it's so easy for so many of us to accept
>that is because we've heard it so much.

We don't know that he doesn't know that...in fact...he simply doesn't care...his plans aren't thought out...he's not a proxy for rational revolutionists...he's an extremist hellbent on vengeance...Wakanda is portrayed as passively extreme in their isolationism...Being the lesser of 2 evils is just that...

>And again, I reject
>that, because it's true sometimes, but as a person intelligent
>enough to do all he did, he would have known better and had a
>better plan.
>I could go on and on, but I think that should suffice.

Disagree again...his goal was emotionally charged...his trauma was never resolved...he never grew past that kid outside the projects looking at UFOs while his dad bled to death...his plan was kill these guys and spread their wealth and hope for the best...he made himself a good soldier and a shitty general...

also have to remember this is an origin story...they're literally setting BP up to be that moderate with perspective (i also wouldn't be surprised to see Killmonger again to make up for the former's king's mistakes as well). it presents the mistakes as mistakes...not as indicative of the goals they claim to have...that's a good thing...this is literally chapter one and you want it done in a way that would be the last chapter...nah they still have to come together well enough to get stomped by Thanos...this is a comic book and should inspire thought...not be looked at to present non-flawed dogma

you're looking for the guy who has the right ideas but we can't agree on the earth being round...let alone who has the right ideas...it can't present what it doesn't know so it presents the shit it knows is off that has basis in reality

they could chew with this subject matter.
They never should have tried to take it on.

>>At the very root, the Black American with a tie to
>>descendants of slaves is the enemy here, definitely, while
>the
>>Africans are the good guys.
>
>Huge oversimplification and the movie does a good job of
>showing how extreme both were...his dad LITERALLY KILLED his
>brother and refused to save him...They can't do the mental
>work for the audience...they can't...they didn't even offer a
>solution bc "Solution's hard"...the resolution was "let's be
>less extreme" lol



Who's the hero in the movie?
What is the movie called?
This is very simple.


>>That in itself is something our
>>system keeps telling us over and over. I talked about this
>on
>>the boards before tho. Black Americans have a justice claim
>>and are more likely to fight for that "being difficult" to
>>white folks. As descendants of slaves, we don't understand
>>how much we're falling behind when we are the ones who
>>experienced the injustice that Affirmative Action was an
>>attempt to start correcting. Too many Africans accept those
>>benefits while calling us names and kissing up to white
>folks
>>while neither understanding our plight nor fighting for our
>>cause.
>
>That's not entirely their fault...they've got their own issues
>with white people to work out and while i don't appreciate
>that sentiment...it has little to no impact on day to day life
>any more than any other random micro-aggression. It's also a
>pretty big generalization I'd make with much more room for
>potentially being off-base




My concern isn't whose fault it is. My concern is how it affects us as Black Americans, and that is not something with no impact akin to random micro-aggression.



>We don't know that he doesn't know that...in fact...he simply
>doesn't care...his plans aren't thought out...he's not a proxy
>for rational revolutionists...he's an extremist hellbent on
>vengeance...Wakanda is portrayed as passively extreme in their
>isolationism...Being the lesser of 2 evils is just that...



Oh really? Here:
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5a7b6fa41e0000dc007ab05d.jpeg
Nope, no resemblance to rational revolutionists.
That's what I'm saying. This movie does not exist in a vacuum. Like I said elsewhere, the FBI's recent "Black Identity Extremist" report talks about anyone seeking Black empowerment being a potential violent threat to law enforcement. The one guy talking about empowering Black people just happens to be a "killmonger" in the film. He didn't *have* to be talking Black empowerment. They could have taken that many different ways. This stuff isn't as disconnected as you think it is, man.

I think a lot of what you're saying here is just defending his character from the standpoint of the story line, while I'm saying the story line was created for the purpose of the symbolism, and it's not coincidence, so I'll skip ahead....



>this is literally
>chapter one and you want it done in a way that would be the
>last chapter...nah they still have to come together well
>enough to get stomped by Thanos...this is a comic book and
>should inspire thought...not be looked at to present
>non-flawed dogma


Sure, it could be fixed if Black Panther realized Killmonger had the right about about empowering us globally and then took out the CIA, lol, but I doubt that happens. Also I'm not looking for "non-flawed dogma." I'm looking for them avoid disrespecting us with subject matter like this that they can't handle. There's no real reason that the killmonger character had to be written that way.

I don't have any super-dope analysis, either. I'll leave that to the "critics". That shit was great!! MBJ and the little sister shined like a motherfucker. Instant Blu-Ray purchase.

without even trying. The diversity and strength of the female characters was so refreshing to see on-screen.
The make-up of the cast was great. American, Caribbean, European, and African. They played off each other so well. I mean, their charisma....I have 3 favorite characters in addition to T'challa. This movie was the perfect marriage and celabration of Blackness from all over the world coming together and telling an African story. An un-colonized African story.

and shows how two communities have two totally different conceptions of womanhood.

but realized on my second watch that BP straight up ignored Okoye's advice like 4 times

Going a 3rd time to experience it in Imax.

records. Or at LEAST opening weekend records:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/


It's on track to compete with Star Wars if Sunday numbers are included.

I went with friends last night, and worked a re-up last minute into some date-night plans tonight. Half the group I went with last night mentioned trying to see it again before the weekend was over.

The commercial viability of this film is such an important statement. We're speaking very loudly with our dollars here re: the diversity of faces and stories and depth and dignity we're craving when it comes to black people in (mainstream) cinema.

but no.


Aw man.


So many layers!

I mean he was right but he went about it completely the wrong way (victim of the system that created him and all). And breh was hella abusive to women all movie but ppl thirsty cause he took his shirt off.

I would've liked to see them put him on ice rather than kill him and then maybe in the 2nd movie he can show some personal growth and refinement of his methods and be an ally of sorts to TChalla. Like TChalla gets kidnapped or something and they have to turn to the only dude bad enough to actually give TChalla that work.

A vegeta to his Goku essentially.

I'm good with his choice because it was true to his motives for everything else.

And that bit about Goku/Vegeta is perfect. I'm still hoping for a twist of his fate going forward though.

But with all that education and training, he someone never came across Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed. He needed that book.

His plan though... not very well thought out. You just gonna send weapons to people all over the globe and expect that to work itself out?

Loved the movie tho

Assuming they have nuclear deterrent level weaponry. Or if things went well enough they commandeer European nukes

holy shit you're as ignorant as you display.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I mean if you think a country that possesses solid 3D hologram and cloaking technology isn't a superpower or that key mission objectives (as outlined in the antagonists background) were to be assassinations of key political targets which could be easier to carry out due to the undetectable nature of the clearly destructive sonic weaponry of Wakanda...

Real world examples would be the expelling of super power Russia from Afghanistan or Vietnam which America did not technically "win".

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

And I'm not gonna argue with you. Sending weapons around the world will not give liberate black people. Killmonger stated that his goal was to reverse the order of the world, with black people on top. And to accomplish this with weapons. Arming an incredibly diverse group of people who have given absolutely no indication that they're in on his 'plan,' that haven't thought about, what they're actually trying to accomplish or how (aside from you know -- weapons), or what liberation actually looks like. Just send them the weapons. If you think that's a good idea, I don't know what to tell you. But I'm glad you ain't in charge of a goddamn thing.

in a fantasy world

in which it was clearly established that these supremely powerful, undetectable weapons being shipped out to trained mercenaries in strategic locations would result in the toppling of regimes which was referred to as the antagonists area of expertise and demonstrated by the same antagonists successful takeover of Wakanda

In the movie universe the plan would work in liberating black people but at the same time burdening them with the costs/horrors of global war. This was all stated in the movie.

you should be proud of yourself.





and also lol @ toppling regimes to liberate black folks being the same as winning a one-on-one fight and becoming King for all of 45 minutes. Some expertise.

in the context of the film those RL principles would have likely not failed. IMO that's one of the many reasons why the reality of a Killmonger reign was such a danger.

Personally, I'd much rather talk about the relationship/symbolism between Killmonger and his father. Or the presentation of the Panther having a ritualistic/inherent connection to the spirit world.

Anyway at least we both agree the movie was dope lol

as part of his CIA training

>and also lol @ toppling regimes to liberate black folks being
>the same as winning a one-on-one fight and becoming King for
>all of 45 minutes. Some expertise.

shoulda kept Killmonger around. then again, with Wakandan tech pretty much bringin ppl back from the dead, maybe that's still possible.

V.

how do you come back from that?

I wouldn’t be mad at a supernatural resurrection. The Panther God can’t be the only God in Wakanda can it?

https://twitter.com/TheCuredRebirth/status/965433305922404352

Except for the fact he was trying to set off a global race war.
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Him/his character was one of the best parts of the film. And props to Coogler and the writer for taking a character that was extremely problematic in the comics and make him awesome.

I feel like some folks are missing that...

people saying that Killmonger is the real Hero of the movie..

I'm sorry... he's not jumping M'Baku in the Hero line...

M'Baku is a man of character...and selflessness as a leader.... believes in tradition..

...one weekend.

Marinate on that.

By Thursday it'll have made Justice League's entire worldwide gross.

WB gotta be sick right now.

Black Panther is a cultural event that Justice League was never going to be for a number of reasons, so there was a bigger audience to push those numbers up. Community leaders were not buying out theaters to see Aquaman and Friends. I had him compare the figures from Ragnarok, whereby the holy trinity for DC got mollywhopped by a B-Team character from Marvel

That said

Numbers don't lie. To pass that gross in so little time with a POC instead of their white trinity of super heroes has got to be utterly embarrassing and absolutely DC/WB's fault.Black Panther was a better movie on a basic story telling and movie making level, before you add anything cultural to either movie, so JL has to take the L

then did JL. Tie?

Justice League really needed to do close to Avengers numbers. You're dealing with DC's trinity of super heroes that damn near everyone has known for decades. The Avengers really were just what Marvel had the rights to when they started with Iron Man and didn't have nearly the recognition as Bats, Supes, and WW.

JL, with their established heavy hitters, didn't come close to the team up movies (which I'd say established the heroes in the public mind share, not just in comic circles), or the stand alone movies. I'd go back and check the numbers of the stand alone MCU movies pre-Avengers and see how JL stacked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if they still came up short. Matching the solo movies would still have been a loss. Not even getting to that level is much worse.

In short, I'd say none of the characters in the MCU, save maybe Spidey (who may not count) had the cache of DC's big 3 before the MCU. With that kind of recognition having the 3 of them in a movie and forming the Justice league should have been sure money. It wasn't

I think kids of all colors will love it.

Not this kid, though
www.liveleak.com/view?i=58a_1510588665&comments=1

before he's killed by T'chaka

-"Colonizers"
-"How do you think your ancestors got it?" MBJ in the museum talking to the curator.
-"Hi Auntie" - Gold
-"What can a county of farmers share with the world?"
-MBJ's whole speech about Blacks around the world not having the weapons to even the playing field
-“Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from ships, cause they knew death was better than bondage."
-Everything Shuri did, explained and her whole disposition
-Agent Ross being the 'token' lol I hate it when there's a token character but him being it was so obvious that it was funny (yes I know Ulysses Klaue was there too but you get the point).


There's a lot of good here and I like the discussions about how America as a nation treats Black people and the portrayal of Africa having a "not our problem" stance (I think in ways, Black Americans feel that way about African cultural issues so it was interesting in that aspect too.)

The wife loved it too (think it had something to do with all the kick a** Black women in it lol).

How is the character treated in the comics?

but for real Wakanda could have it's own GOT like universe.

Especially after all of the turmoil. Now we basically have blood on each of the tribes hands and the king has to manage that shit along with all of the other shit going on.

n/m

there may already be a pattern established when you factor in Thor Dark world, Guardians 2, and Ant Man in relation to the Queen in BP

Only gripes were the aforementioned CGI issues and a relatively weak final fight...

i think that's par for the course for the origin movies but this felt different since he'd already been introduced in previous movies

the action scene that led into the car chase was extremely dope though and somehow managed to not feel over the top...that entire sequence was just pure fun

they picked the best songs off the soundtrack for the score and they worked well...OPPS WAS PERFECT for that action sequence man...geez

Killmonger definitely was Black Magneto and the cast absolutely killed it

Definitely will go see it at least a 2nd time

- maaaaaan that sh#t was everythang -

just an excellent, excellent film

I thought that was interesting. Like I wonder if this is where the ancient one ended up when he/she died

or where everyone will end up in IW lol

Not even the whitest of curiosity would bring him there

and played in less theaters.

It would be my religion.

CGI was the only downer.

Martin Freeman also didn't need to be there at all.

Then I re read lol

lol, he was borderline pissing me off by being there

Cointel pro was a CIA program, and I don't think it's coincidence that the character named "Black Panther" is working with a CIA member. If you've ever heard ... say, Fred Hampton talk, he's talking about the same thing Erik was talking about. Power to the people. I swear the more I think about it, the more offensive this story becomes.
And yes, it's a Disney movie etc, but there are some things that don't need to be taken on by Disney at all. This subject matter is one of them. That was a slick one.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I liked Miracle Rics take but if you boil it down one could easily see it as an African Americans are lost and need a talented 10th to show them the way kind of message

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"I cannot see how nature could have created itself. Only a supernatural force that is outside of space and time could have done that. ~ Francis Collins

they just stumbled into being on the same page

KIllmonger was all but CIA so he was mostly just a vehicle for giving them the heads up and NOT DYING (as a means to not make the same mistake his father did - they could have probably saved Erik's father by taking him back instead of retreating back into extreme isolationsim)

I get that the symbolism can be a problem but the enemy of my enemy is my friend is not copyrighted by the CIA and Wakandans wouldn't have any motivation to avoid their assistance stateside like Erik would have

>they just stumbled into being on the same page


If it's written that way, then it's the result that matters. There's always some reason in the story line why things happen. It's like in GoT when folks say "well, the black/brown ppl were from other lands" yeah but the end result is these images in the subconscious. Just blows my mind how ppl think that doesn't matter... and this movie is for children, so there's gonna be a lot of confusion when they learn what the CIA is really about.

Killmonger was The Spook Who Sat By The Door pretty much.

Killmonger ended up in the CIA as a means to an end

SBTD is about a dissatisfied agent going rouge basically

as I recall it at least

Vegeta / Goku comparison actually seems most accurate

Who ultimately used that experience to push for change for their people. One had that goal in mind already while the other decided while he was there.


>
>Vegeta / Goku comparison actually seems most accurate

Then you go with that one, and I'll go with The Spook Who Sat By The Door.

when the director is from East Oakland and grew up with the legacy of Panthers all around him his whole damn entire damn life.

in a Marvel movie.

It's also troubling how many of yall think BS ain't BS if Black people are involved with it.

i think it was used as a tie-in for a lot of things...not solely some way to legitimize the CIA seeing as how the villian directly utilizes their tools of destabilization...

he was presented as a barrier who had to go outside the lines of his job to do the right thing lol

J. Edgar Hoover was FBI.

Black Panthers was infiltrated and sabotaged by the FBI.

You got the strings on your corkboard going in the wrong directions.

I did say it was a CIA program, and that's my bad.

However, the CIA collects info on foreign threats, and the BPP had international offices that were monitored by the CIA. One just began as domestic while the other wasn't meant to be.

i haven't seen a more whole big picture "we all suck" outlook since xmen to be honest and this shitted on that

you had CIA trained revenge whore as the villian

and for 75% of the movie the CIA was cockblocking BP...

i get having an issue with the symbolism and being sulky about it...but symbols have power...but so do narratives

>i get having an issue with the symbolism

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

y'all see it.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

The cgi rhinos looked fake as hell but I was pumped when they came thru

I'll give more tomorrow but I sat until the credits finished rolling and I started to cry. I almost cried twice during the movie but by the end I was just overwhelmed.

Honor to the ancestors.

he wasnt a revolutionary using revenge to fuel his agenda of getting the foot off black folks neck (his father's original plan)

he was cia-trained black ops using revolution to fuel his agenda of bloodlust & revenge. against the west and wakanda. thats why he shot his girl, burned the herb field/spirit temple, etc


he didnt want to end black subjugation as much as he wanted white subjugation (<--americas greatest fear)

and black panther never even said he would imprison him. he comes back in the comics tho so maybe this aint the last time we see him.

wakanda's centuries of isolation and looking the other way was also wrong and equally unsustainable tho.


t'challa, at this point, is just the naive sheltered son of a king. so we would need more installments to see how his decisions play out. but lolsmh at him stopping nakia from picking off boko haram and doing #bringbackourgirls rescue missions to let her go run a community center in LA instead. that and the UN speech was definitely hollywood/liberalism.


i felt they kinda did a lot in the script (in a good way) by not using mad exposition to explicitly raise points/conflicts & dig too deep into the themes, motivations, relationships between africans and blacks, blacks & whites, etc, but still giving you enough to draw your own interpretations (and trigger the thousand different thinkpieces that are now flooding the internet).

anyway-
-shuri killed it. needs a spinoff. cartoon, miniseries, something.
-wanted to see more angela bassett but its ok. the 3 main women characters were dooooope. "you would kill me, my love? For wakanda... no question."
-token cia colonizer shoulda died at the end and never been mentioned again
-only CGI that came across wack imo was the rhino and a couple seconds of the BP costume in action
-score and soundtrack was the only weak part. sound like kendrick/TDE rushed it. then got caught jacking for imagery in the video.
-the black ppl mad on the internet are hilarious. wake up everyday with a brand new complaint.
-coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything since mandela's release 30 years ago. kenyans, brasilians, trini's and everywhere else all on the same page...for a moment at least. beautiful to see. now somebody needs to write the story of black ppl all over the world pooling $200M every 3 months to kick off mad development projects and building a real uncolonized homeland

>he wasnt a revolutionary using revenge to fuel his agenda of
>getting the foot off black folks neck (his father's original
>plan)
>
>he was cia-trained black ops using revolution to fuel his
>agenda of bloodlust & revenge. against the west and wakanda.
>thats why he shot his girl, burned the herb field/spirit
>temple, etc

At the same time. Which is why the Pac comparisons are so apt. A very conflicted and contradictory character.


>but lolsmh at him stopping nakia from
>picking off boko haram and doing #bringbackourgirls rescue
>missions to let her go run a community center in LA instead.
>that and the UN speech was definitely hollywood/liberalism.

that shit was hella irresponsible. haha

>-token cia colonizer shoulda died at the end and never been
>mentioned again

didn't need to be in the movie at all at all.

>-coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything
>since mandela's release 30 years ago. kenyans, brasilians,
>trini's and everywhere else all on the same page...for a
>moment at least. beautiful to see.

it really has. and i think it's given us an opportunity to have a healthier panafricanism that doesn't invalidate the culture of blacks outside the continent.

>-coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything
>since mandela's release 30 years ago. kenyans, brasilians,
>trini's and everywhere else all on the same page...for a
>moment at least. beautiful to see. now somebody needs to
>write the story of black ppl all over the world pooling $200M
>every 3 months to kick off mad development projects and
>building a real uncolonized homeland


Reignite? 1) Panafricanism never died in the first place
2) There are panafricanists on the ground in Africa from America now doing actual work, building, uniting people, etc, but giving revolutionary views to a Marvel *villain* is "more" than that? *facepalm*

You made a post not too long about about Yvette Carnell & Boyce Watkins where people were using the term "hotep" defined partly by afrocentric views (which Yvette doesn't even have), and that was supposed to be an insult. NOW panafricanism is cool because it was in a marvel/disney film? See, when you make this kind of statement, you can never say that you don't place more value on white backing than what your people are doing. James Small, Anthony Browder, Marimba Ani, Yosef Ben-Jochannan, etc all doing nothing according to you huh? Enjoy the movie all day, but no need to disgrace the ancestors and living legends like that.


There's also this:

>-the black ppl mad on the internet are hilarious. wake up

But you also had your own problems with the movie. Namely his request of Nakia and the unnecessary CIA agent. So.... wake up? I mean, stop criticizing this all-black cast and just let folks send any message they like to our children, fam.


There's this too:

>he wasnt a revolutionary using revenge to fuel his agenda of
>getting the foot off black folks neck (his father's original
>plan)
>
>he was cia-trained black ops using revolution to fuel his
>agenda of bloodlust & revenge. against the west and wakanda.
>thats why he shot his girl, burned the herb field/spirit
>temple, etc
>
>
>he didnt want to end black subjugation as much as he wanted
>white subjugation (<--americas greatest fear)


He was written that way for a reason.
He said some true things. Some things we all could agree with.
Yet, he was also violent and problematic.
Think of this in terms of the recent "Black Identity Extremist" report. In that, you are considered a potential terrorist solely for caring about the empowerment of Black people. This is an actual FBI report. This movie basically took that idea and made a character out of it. Black empowerment and violence aren't supposed to be separate in the minds of the masses. Good negro vs Bad negro. I'm saying this movie does not exist in a vacuum.

creating strawmen and putting words in my mouth is a lazy way to find something to debate about. but for the record-

-i dont use hotep as a perjorative
-lol at white backing. no one went to see BP thinking of 'white backing'. ppl werent dressed up because disney was involved. and a nick fury / luke cage film wouldnt have the same impact either.
-show me where i said those academics are 'doing nothing'. my comment was that coogler put panafricanism and a huge black pride moment on display for the whole world. i went to egypt with tony browder and his niece. all those scholars and educators are doing important work. great. yet, what is obvious to all the rest of us, is that it is not even in the same lane as the cultural impact of 15 million black kids experiencing a (very general) concept of panafricanism, maybe for the 1st time, all at once in dozens of countries, on massive movie screens and dolby surround sound. the power of art, media, and storytelling is massive.

a $200M movie with true panafrican/afro-multicultural cast, all brown/dark skin actresses with natural hair, no white saviors, that is creating moments like this in other countries-

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/black-panther-brazil-protest/

and collective pride/excitement before anyone had even seen the actual film, and your counter is dr ben and marimba ani? wut.
its not even fair to them to make the comparison, except if someone is just looking for a reason to argue

>
>Reignite? 1) Panafricanism never died in the first place
>2) There are panafricanists on the ground in Africa from
>America now doing actual work, building, uniting people, etc,
>but giving revolutionary views to a Marvel *villain* is "more"
>than that? *facepalm*
>
>You made a post not too long about about Yvette Carnell &
>Boyce Watkins where people were using the term "hotep" defined
>partly by afrocentric views (which Yvette doesn't even have),
>and that was supposed to be an insult. NOW panafricanism is
>cool because it was in a marvel/disney film? See, when you
>make this kind of statement, you can never say that you don't
>place more value on white backing than what your people are
>doing. James Small, Anthony Browder, Marimba Ani, Yosef
>Ben-Jochannan, etc all doing nothing according to you huh?
>Enjoy the movie all day, but no need to disgrace the ancestors
>and living legends like that.
>
>
>There's also this:
>
>>-the black ppl mad on the internet are hilarious. wake up
>
>But you also had your own problems with the movie. Namely his
>request of Nakia and the unnecessary CIA agent. So.... wake
>up? I mean, stop criticizing this all-black cast and just let
>folks send any message they like to our children, fam.
>
here again, i havent said if it was a plot point, the casting, the funding, or any details at all, but you created one side of an argument to debate against. if u want to know what hilarious things i saw that ppl were mad abt, just ask.
and you cut off the "wake up" phrase from the rest of the comment so youre basically just firing at anything that moves at this point. hint: i didnt tell anyone to "wake up"



Black
>empowerment and violence aren't supposed to be separate in the
>minds of the masses. Good negro vs Bad negro. I'm saying
>this movie does not exist in a vacuum.
>
>
the outcome of the movie is for BP and wakanda to choose to start caring about the empowerment of black ppl. just without the destruction and reckless killing of all others around u. not hard to grasp.

for pointing it out.



>creating strawmen and putting words in my mouth is a lazy way
>to find something to debate about. but for the record-


Yeah I didn't do that. It'll be easy to prove, given your response tho.


>-i dont use hotep as a perjorative


I didn't say you did. I said it happened in a post that you made. You also participated in the comments of said post and further disparaged Carnell. Apparently no part of you found it necessary to speak out against the "hotep" attack, so it really doesn't matter if you said it or not when your post was the launching pad. Integrity ain't always passive.


>-lol at white backing. no one went to see BP thinking of
>'white backing'. ppl werent dressed up because disney was
>involved.



I very much beg to differ, and I'll use your latter comments to show you exactly why.



>-show me where i said those academics are 'doing nothing'. my
>comment was that coogler put panafricanism and a huge black
>pride moment on display for the whole world.


No sir, let's not change what you said now. You said "coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything since mandela's release 30 years ago." Since you're not sticking to that, I won't call it a lie... I'll just say you misspoke, as you seem to realize that now.



>i went to egypt
>with tony browder and his niece. all those scholars and
>educators are doing important work. great. yet, what is
>obvious to all the rest of us, is that it is not even in the
>same lane as the cultural impact of 15 million black kids
>experiencing a (very general) concept of panafricanism, maybe
>for the 1st time, all at once in dozens of countries, on
>massive movie screens and dolby surround sound. the power of
>art, media, and storytelling is massive.
>
>a $200M movie with true panafrican/afro-multicultural cast,





What's going on at the core here though? You're talking about big budgets and popular culture. If you understand the wealth data, not only of the average Black person but even in Hollywood, you know we just don't have the budget that white folks have. This has just always been America's setup. So when you talk about "omg dolby surround sound, reaching the globe, 200 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, etc" sir, you are talking about white backing. It's not like we haven't tried to get stuff like this off the ground. We don't have the budget, marketing, etc... and we don't come out and support US so that we can build it. We supported this because... white backing. More people know about this than any low-budget Black film, because of white backing. Please tell me that you understand how finances are a huge part of racism, sir. Niggas talking about they "feel seen" now because white backing (seen by white companies of course).






>and collective pride/excitement before anyone had even seen
>the actual film, and your counter is dr ben and marimba ani?
>wut.


Stop playing dumb already. That was part of my response to you saying ""coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything since mandela's release 30 years ago."


>if u want to know what
>hilarious things i saw that ppl were mad abt, just ask.


If you want people to know what you mean, you will say. Otherwise, you're playing the same passive role you played in the Carnell/Watkins post.

i'll say the 1st part again, since u misread that i somehow switched up-

coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything since mandela's release 30 years ago.

and to expound-

tony browder and dr ben's work does not fall in the same lane.

if your panafricanism aint a worldwide living & breathing thing, and instead lives in textbooks, more power to u.


nice how u ignored how the movie was affirming blacks in brazil tho. musta been the white backing that told all those ppl to travel across town to the white malls to watch the film

>i'll say the 1st part again, since u misread that i somehow
>switched up-
>
>coogler did more to reignite panafricanism than anything since
>mandela's release 30 years ago.
>
>and to expound-
>
>tony browder and dr ben's work does not fall in the same
>lane.
>
>if your panafricanism aint a worldwide living & breathing
>thing, and instead lives in textbooks, more power to u.



How ironic that you go on to accuse me of ignoring aspects of what you said when you ignored that I also mentioned James Small. His work is on the ground and not stuff you read in a textbook (Browder and Ben Yochannan's work isn't/wasn't all in textbooks either). But maybe you have no idea what these people actually do/did... which is understandable, since you actually made a post about Yvette Carnell and have no idea what she's even about.




>nice how u ignored how the movie was affirming blacks in
>brazil tho. musta been the white backing that told all those
>ppl to travel across town to the white malls to watch the film


Well since we're repeating ourselves, I'll repeat the part about white backing:
"What's going on at the core here though? You're talking about big budgets and popular culture. If you understand the wealth data, not only of the average Black person but even in Hollywood, you know we just don't have the budget that white folks have. This has just always been America's setup. So when you talk about "omg dolby surround sound, reaching the globe, 200 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, etc" sir, you are talking about white backing. It's not like we haven't tried to get stuff like this off the ground. We don't have the budget, marketing, etc... and we don't come out and support US so that we can build it. We supported this because... white backing. More people know about this than any low-budget Black film, because of white backing. Please tell me that you understand how finances are a huge part of racism, sir. Niggas talking about they "feel seen" now because white backing (seen by white companies of course)."

I would expound, but I don't need to if you're able to "catch on." So does this mean that all this is dead as soon as white people decide to pull the plug? And since we're taking shots, if YOUR panafricanism is contingent upon white people allowing a worldwide, big budget superhero film about Africans with a panafrican cast, more power to you. Your panafricanism will obviously be rare and very controlled.

in Wakanda today. I just saw the movie last night, so of course that will wear off. But still, wow.

I can see there being a lot of debate over Killmonger.

truly mind blowing on so many levels and i applaud how it took the past present and took you to the future.

I think I’ll wait until all the hype die down...

was THAT close to shedding a manly tear tonight
WAS THAT DAMN GOOD
and I'm not even a big Marvel superhero movie fan

http://abc7chicago.com/education/disney-donates-$1-million-to-youth-stem-programs-in-celebration-of-black-panther/3142281/http%3A%2F%2Fabc7chicago.com%2F3142281%2F

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155757985693889&id=721883888

Nm

for #3 all time. only behind star wars tfa and avatar. thats crazy.

https://thegrio.com/2018/05/14/michael-b-jordan-wakanda-salute-reject/

FOH colonizer.