Well the playing field is (almost) level for show watchers and book readers.

So... can we start with a WTF?!

them nice titties turning old and saggy... :( #whymustIcry

So is Arya gonna basically become 100 Eyes from Marco Polo (Netflix)

My denial is strong.

I guess thats what its gonna be huh...

I havent read the books so I have zero clue what happens next except that he returns

Almost all of the storylines (one exception) are now further along than they are in the books.

Might put enough potion in the boy to still hit though....Old bitties need love too homie!

Dude in the temple is Stick

Ha that too... I just remember in the Hundred Eyes prequel they pulled a similar move.

fucked up move by the weak ass sand snakes.

I'm no longer down with the Sand Snakes. Unless they want to have sex with me then they are cool.

It was dope, this show is great

I ain't like that shit.
Juvenile writing.

especially when it's right in the center of a mud track made by horses that were running around in circles around the small patch of grass where she was standing.

he noticed the ring made by the horses and went to the center, noticed the ring.

not implausible.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She dropped a ring here.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/3/36/Daenerys-capture-dothraki.png/revision/latest?cb=20150616101249
And this guy just walked over and found it. And after all those horses had turned the field.
Sure.

the hobbits into the forest after the orcs held them captive and the riders of Rohan killed them in the night. I'm pretty sure the idea wasn't that it was easy to find, it's just that you can't take up half of an episode to show them going through the tracking process.

GRRM doesn't do simplistic.

The process is very slow and meticulous. Not good for TV time.

but that annoyed me and i saw it coming when she dropped it.

d

I expected someone to find it. LOL

i figure Jorah, and Dany both spent enough time with the Dothraki to know how their hoards move, and circle people, so i didn't feel like it was too out there that she would know to drop it there in hopes that someone could find it

it's not like he found it just walking along

and us seeing her "true self" actually means to the story.

like, it us seeing her for what she really is...kind of a fraud, or is the significance the POWER of the necklace and maybe the answer to Jon Snows resurrection.

someone barges into your bedroom or there's a fire? Now you're old and can't handle yourself. Does this woman have no basic sense? lol i know its just a device, but that's all i could think about, "yo put that shit back on before you sleep"

imagine trying to creep in her room for some ass and seeing those sleepy titties

"ewwwwweeee"

it may not affect how other people see her.

or it might
https://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/When-Did-Melisandre-Take-Off-Her-Necklace-Game-Thrones-41064897

the scene reads to me now as it did then. an average, uptight, submissive woman feeling upstaged by a more independent, sexual, attractive woman and yet holding her faith above that jealousy. not like she's looking at some shuffling half-corpse.


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like the other dude who was getting his Joel Olsteen on
like she started as a slave like the others and then was determined to be 'special' a long time ago

the necklace tho........was prolly gifted to her by whoever taught her

idk

Didn't even think about that, you may be onto something.

It's likely she's lived a few places

It could be that practicing the red magic is taking a tool on her and aging her prematurely. And the amulet hides the effects.

AND I think the necklace she spoke on different spells/illusions that she knows when she was talkin to Stannis wife...

she mentioned 3 different potions but I don't remember the details of each one

>It could be that practicing the red magic is taking a tool on
>her and aging her prematurely. And the amulet hides the
>effects.

all the other maesters in the Game of Thrones universe are pretty old, so it would make sense for her to be fairly old as well.

And a maester doesn't necessarily have to be old. The ones on the show have just been doing their jobs for a while. Jon sent Samwell off to learn how to become a maester, and it's not like he doesn't expect him to return to the Wall for another 30 years.

that she is several centuries old, but i do not remember it being specifically addressed in the books.

Is she a shape shifter? I don't remember that in the books either, and for her to be that old, I would think some of the older characters would mention that, so she'd be a part of the older tale people tell in the course of the books.

it was a totally different actress and not a super old lady...

is he involved at all?

but in some cases will be charting their own course to get there.
GRRM has shared with them what's to happen, but we've seen how they're vastly inferior writers.

reminds me of my boys asking Curtis Martin how he could divorce Toni Braxton.

Curtis Martin replied: cause she's crazy

As was Ramsay telling them to feed ol' girl's corpse to the dogs.

right before the sand snakes came in to kill him he was painting the eyes on stones. he didn't know myrcella was dead bc he was still in dorne so who were they for?

I knew he was going to get it from behind too...

I even said old girl was greedy as fuck right before her sister said it.

cause he was taking Oberyn's place on the small council.

representative on the small council. He was in grieving over her being killed and painting the eyes for her. I mean y'all couldn't tell he was in a ship's cabin, really?

yup. thank you. pay attention y'all.

him back to Dorne after they landed?


cuz if all 3(well 4) were on the boat from Dorne to KL

and he was killed on the boat I'm assuming on his way back to Dorne??

The three Sand Snakes were there with Elleria watching Mycella's ship sail off with Jamie after she poisoned her. How would two of them then get on the boat? And even if they were on the same boat, wouldn't Jamie have then killed Trystane in retaliation for Mycella's death. And while we're talking about it, when didn't Jamie just turn the boat around as soon as Mycella keeled over to go and tell Prince Doran about what had happened? It wasn't like they were way off at sea.

Man, the Dorne story fucking sucks.

What is the new Queen of Dorne going to do now? March Dornes army up to Kings Landing to fight the Lannisters?

Dorne really sucks.

I figured the prince was still in Dorne in mourning. Forgot he was on the boat.

It's easy enough to figure out some of the answers to the questions you're asking-- two Sand Snakes follow in a small, quick boat to kill the Prince, Jamie didn't feel compelled to kill the Prince on what I imagine was a Dornish boat with a Dornish crew, and he's also probably savvy enough to realize that if they killed homegirl right in front of him that they'd be waiting to kill him as well...

... but it's also easy enough to include those explanations quickly. One quick shot of a small boat following the boat with Jamie and them. A shot of Jamie looking angrily at the Dornish crew around him, or saying "I can't sail this boat after killing every Dornish man on it" or something like that. The Prince saying to the Snakes, "Why did you two follow me here?" to establish the relative position on the map better. Those things could've taken, what, thirty seconds in an episode that's under fifty minutes long?

I usually have no long-term beef with the off-screen plot points they skip, because I usually get that they have bigger long-term narrative fish to fry, and while that was almost certainly why they did what they did here, these questions (and a few others, I'm sure) are such easy fixes that it is somewhat disappointing that they'd leave us confused like this.

Did Jaime/Cersei just send him back to Dorne? Was he just sitting in the harbor of Kings Landing?

Plus the last time we saw the Sand Snakes they were all on the pier together watching the ship sail away. How did they get on the ship? Did they sneak off to Kings Landing and board the ship?

Lastly, I would think that Jaime/Cersei would have kept Oberyns son hostage as leverage after Myrcellas death.

came ashore with the coffin. No reason for Jaime to kill Trystane, as he knows he wasn't in on it. I imagine a smaller, lighter ship could have caught up with them pretty easily, and they probably just boarded it before killing him. Definitely a bunch of holes in that story, I was just saying if someone is paying attention they could tell he was in the ship's cabin and not somewhere back in Dorne. Jaime did send a raven or a rider to Prince Doran, as he was about to open up the message saying what happened to Myrcella, but ole girl got to him first.

Right before the king of Dorne got killed.

It makes little sense that Jaime/Cersei just left a prince on a boat docked in Kings Landing rather than bring him ashore.

he's comfortable believing Trystane wasn't involved and has suffered enough, plus he knows how Cersei would react. If he was lucky she'd just kidnap him and continuing this whole "now we have of yours" game, but more likely she'd just him tortured and slaughtered

That they (Jaime and Cersei) will "make them pay 100 times more for what they have done", something along those lines. I don't think Jaime was referring to just the sand snakes but to all of Dorne and anyone else who has or will hurt them or their family.

it was obvious enough Trystane wasn't involved. That's why he sent a raven back notifying Oberyns' brother in hopes that they'll round up the sandsnakes involved. Plus he's telling Cersei what he knows she wants to hear.

I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't confused.

it did look like he was in a boat cabin but the other two sand snakes being there confused me. a whole lot of assumptions had to be made to conclude they were magically in kings landing now instead of back in dorne.

.... it's still hard to have sympathy for Cersi or jaimie really....

It's hard to stay interested in king's landing, because it's all so over the top right now....

Hopefully Sansa learns how to fight

thats my guy

Last we saw of him he was running with Arya and then with Melisandre. Did he die along the way or is he just doing his blacksmith thing somewhere else? He's got king's blood in him, so I'm sure he's important somehow.

after Mel leeched some of that blood.

somehow

he prolly runnin round Flea Bottom and she prolly makes it back to Kings Landing

I've forgotten ALOT.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

not really attack dogs

They need her whole

tried to save Theon/Reek and the Bolton men released the dogs? Those were mastiffs bred for battle.

Blood hounds aren't really used for attacking people.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

and em got low when they heard the clanging of the swords

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/572120152200003600254b3d.jpeg
The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria Sand, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria’s head will appease her, but it is a start, along with your neices . Your son cannot stay in King’s Landing. I am sending him back on the same ship.”

watching arya getting her ass kicked is getting annoying quickly. isnt this supposed to be some sort of zatoichi training?

the frankenmountain head smash

bran is an adult now lmao

seeing the dragon

and last but certainly not least, jon snow back. red witch forever.

but now she kinda hit the pinnacle, so jon back w/ her puttin that red snapper on him is gonna be fire.

That before all that hes gonna somehow slip away before anyone discovers him and we get some kind of weird zombie jon vision quest

Like in the bible the women go to Jesus tomb and his body is gone.

Scenes from next week though make it seem like it won't go down like that.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

http://i.imgur.com/PFYu27y.gif

Yay or nay?

n/m

I really did get tense when he held that baby though...

I was potentially inebriated with a living room full of people... so it may have been a little harder to pick up on any potential subtleties.

What's Davo's motivation right now? Why does he think Jon must be saved? Why doesn't he seem to care at all that Stannis is dead?

It was only a handful of the watch that went at JS, NOT THE ENTIRE WATCH AND THE WILDLINGS. JS can build the better coalition. The RADICALS/CONSPIRATORS just want to kill theyself and everybody around them based on "vengeance".

He had sworn himself to Stannis and that cause. Stannis is killed and he without blinking an eye, hitches his wagon to Dead Snow?

He knows she's dead, but he doesn't seem to know the circumstances surrounding her death.

was going to do and left before he went through with it.

Didn't he more or less plead with Stannis to let him take the girl with him, that a war camp was no place for a young girl, etc., and when Stannis shot that down... I don't know, I agree with those who think that dude recognized that Stannis was too far gone and when the Red Woman rode into camp without any of them in tow, it more or less confirmed his fears that he was now on his own.

Go to the girls tent to talk to her and give her something before he left? I thought she was clutching it when her parents marched her to her death.

Davos knew Stannis was about to sacrifice his own daughter and he wasn't down with that and left.

>It was only a handful of the watch that went at JS, NOT THE
>ENTIRE WATCH AND THE WILDLINGS. JS can build the better
>coalition. The RADICALS/CONSPIRATORS just want to kill
>theyself and everybody around them based on "vengeance".


While he's not a member of the Nightwatch he is a 'good' night and like Allah said above does want to see order happen. He knows he can't lead it, and you've basically got evil zombies on one side of the wall, a huge castle, and a new population of wildings with nobody to lead shit.

They haven't talked about Stannis's death, but while Davos loved him he probably had 3-4 days worth of "I told You so's" to his shitty plannings over the years...I dont think he will mourn for long.

And why isn't he about trying to bring Stannis back to life?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

The homie D thinks Jon can bring EVERYBODY together....That about it...

he is a str8 shooter and respects and appreciates real leaders


he saw it in Stannis....Stannis as a character was boring but he represented a just king...he was fair....no grey area with him


he got to know Jon and see's what everybody else see's....Jon's the next big thing

Davos doesn't have anything else to live for really (cept Jon).....his son is gone...he's a knight but he aint really no fighter....he comes from the bottom ...etc

leads by his actions, strategies and words. plus the theory and all. iirc he knows about it.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

saw him bring in the wildings, and the mercy killing, which took guts. saw him reject stannis' offer to make him warden of the north, which was a very difficult decision but Jon couldn't leave his people hanging like that. On a few occasions he's seen Jon handle himself well in difficult situations, making tough decisions, etc.

>saw him bring in the wildings, and the mercy killing, which
>took guts. saw him reject stannis' offer to make him warden
>of the north, which was a very difficult decision but Jon
>couldn't leave his people hanging like that. On a few
>occasions he's seen Jon handle himself well in difficult
>situations, making tough decisions, etc.

??

You hear things in ports.

That Jon is Azor Ahai? Well, Davos doesn't believe in that kind of thing. And Jon being tied to that at any point before the past year of story time makes absolutely no sense.

That R+L=J? There's is no way that Davos or anyone else in this world aside from Howland Reed, Ned, and maybe Catelyn would suspect that.

Stark party line is that she was kidnapped, raped and eventually murdered by Rhaegar, basically the straw that broke the camel's back in launching Robert's Rebellion.

But it's also probably the counter-rumor that Lyanna went willingly, and died in childbirth. That kinda news and back chatter would be readily available in the ports that Davos hung out in.

kudos my G

Like if you can bring a character back to life with just a little bit of voodoo, then all of a sudden there are no stakes for anything that goes on. Kind of like how they ruined the last star trek movie because they somehow managed to cure death.

I am expecting that bringing Jon Snow back to life will somehow come at a great cost. Either he is not Jon Snow anymore or this is going to take alot out of the lady in red (or something else).



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

simply because let's count up all the WINS the home team has had in the past six years of show.

-silence-

The show has done a groundbreaking job of killing motherfuckers you care to a sadistic degree. The problem here was less about the resurrection but how badly it was telegraphed. While Jon Snow dying again before the series is over is basically off the table considering the world of GOT him wishing he stayed dead is a very real possibility.

Remember back in season 3, Arya got wrapped up with the Brotherhood Without Banners? One of them (Berric Dondarrion) used a flaming sword to fight The Hound and was killed by him. Thoros of Myr, a red priest (like Melissandre) brought him back to life and said it was the 6th time he'd done it, but that each time Beric loses some of himself.


That doesn't mean that death not being permanent isn't cheap. It is. Only that there's precedence. But now I hope Mel dies.

like once they showed dude being killed multiple times and being brought back to life with little work, it's like, well damn go get Ned Starks, Rob Starks, etc.

They telagraphed that Jon was coming back which is fine, we needed the win. I just wonder what role resurrections will play going forward.

Was this resurrection a really big deal? or is it something we will see more of going forward?


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Just wanted to point out that we've seen it happen with another practitioner of this religion.

It's cheap. Makes things way too easy/convenient given the massive character deaths we've seen thus far, just like you pointed out.

khal drogo

season 1

He was dying (not dead) of infection. Daenerys tried to make Mirri Maz Durr save him, but she turned him to a vegetable.
Dany later smothered him.
So... what are you talking about?

i thought there was another religion in the show that brings people back

blood magic
a life for a life...or a death for a life or whatever she said .........buuuut he wasn't dead yet so

You can't bring back a chopped up body.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

>You can't bring back a chopped up body.
>
>
>"All the world's a stage,
>And all the men and women merely players:
>They have their exits and their entrances;
>And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Doesn't Arya straight-up ask if they can raise a man without a head?

Remember this scene from a few seasons back?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQlXu6nrJOE

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

We also have no idea what the toll of dying/resurrecting is yet. They made it a big point in Season 3 to note that when you die and come back, you don't come back all the way. You lose things.

There are also very very very few people who can do this-- the Red Woman could birth shadow-monsters, and even she thought she couldn't do it (and maybe she didn't, we don't really know yet). So it's not like they're just gonna resurrect a billion people casually. Dead is still dead for 99.99% of the characters on this show.

I'm pretty astonished by all of the thinkpieces talking about how Game of Thrones pulled a "Walking Dead" here too, like this was a cheap ratings-grab fake-out and nothing more. As if shit is going to just be hunky dory and there will be zero ramifications to the death/resurrection. As if the storyline wasn't clearly building up to a death and subsequent resurrection. Like, if people are pissed because they were fooled by the actors/creators saying to the media, "Jon is dead!!", then that's one thing.

or right after

"you shouldn't have this power"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g

not that that goes against your argument.

but i'm not sure how he just pops back like that w/out her involvement.

something to do with it...


fire is the lord of the light
death is the many faced god

seems kind of probable except i thought he'd have had to come into direct contact w/ fire.

the theory was if, as legend has it, he's related to Daenerys then when they went to burn his body he was gonna rise from the ashes reborn or something.

i kind of liked that idea but it seems like we're getting something else.

because he might have that targaryen blood somehow fire might factor in

I'd say a 3% chance.

like a type we haven't seen before. I don't think that will happen though.

>not that that goes against your argument.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Are you serious right now? You guys just creating gripes right now.

BUH BYE!!!!!!

I predict Theon dying the next episode......by Ramsey

the other dragons gonna help find Khaleesi

the new Iron Born dude and Yara Greyjoy gonna bump heads...so she is doomed... also he seems well traveled and might play a part in the Khaleesi an em story line

Like having a physcopath leader has been done already.

So yeah, I want the otherside of that bet, Theon taking out Ramsey. He can die in the process. I am cool with it.


Seems like he is headed to Ironbound though.


And if it isn't by Ra

>I predict Theon dying the next episode......by Ramsey
>
>the other dragons gonna help find Khaleesi
>
>the new Iron Born dude and Yara Greyjoy gonna bump heads...so
>she is doomed... also he seems well traveled and might play a
>part in the Khaleesi an em story line
>
>
>
>
>


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

got a cpl bodies, a rape, feeding his family to dogs, choppin niggas demonstrations off....he a str8 savage


the show prefaces everything
his father prefaced his death:

'you rule like a mad dog, you will be treated like one'

so I just made the ghost connection

although I want the Giant to get busy on him

Jon vs. Ramsey at the Wall.

And while the show has gotten crazy cruel before, it seems very apparent that Jon is incredibly important to the endgame and is very unlikely to die at the hands of someone as young and petulant as Ramsey. So I'd bet on Jon winning that fight.

he is/was sposed to come thru after Stannis got dealt wit

off... we haven't seem him forever
@rob_starrk

the north

hes the dude that killed Balon yes?



In the books his story is much different it seems? He seems to have been apart of the invasion that theon and yara led and only returns after Balons death?


is this story line going in a different direction or am i forgetting something

Like to hear it? Here it go ...

Bastard Battle at the Wall

This is the "great battle" the Red Witch saw in the fire that
resulted in the Frying of Princess Shireen.

Ramsey gonna catch all 7 Hells here. White Walkers come to
take the spoils and multiply their near unfuckwitable numbers.
Beginning their Death March toward Westeros


Jon Resurrected

Im not sure the Red Witch gets the win on this one. For some
reason there seemed to be alot of attention paid to Ghost
during that scene. Ghost slept while Jon 'slept' and woke
when Jon 'woke.' Not sure what this means if anything at all.
Wouldnt be surprised if the 3eyed Raven and Bran were secretly
warging the shit outta this

so pointless. but still so good lol.

.
.
.

every season has an episode that is a little boring but has a shit load of dialogue that is needed.

https://m.reddit.com/r/fuckolly

i was about to be so mad.

um, can we put the dire wolf on the endangered species list tho? damn.

i loved this episode.

can't wait to see The Next Karate Kid fuck shit up in the name of the Many Faced God.

I kinda want him to be alive and give her a big hug when she completes her third degree


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On tumblr there is a lil group that "ships" Sansa and the hound (complete with pictures and fanfic lol http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31300000/Sandor-Sansa-sandor-and-sansa-31323428-500-538.gif)

Like he obviously had some sort of affection for both sisters, if the theories of his death are true maybe he plays a role yet in the long term survivability of one or both of them.

Like first he's like "I fought and killed the greatest swordfighter ever", next time he's gonna slip in that he actually did it with one hand because he his left hand was cut, then the next time he mentions it it's gonna be during a freak thunderstorm, etc. hilarious.

I do like this bit of information because as moral and high-minded Ned is known to be, even he can fall victim to the pressures of pride and acclaim. This humanizes him.

>I do like this bit of information because as moral and
>high-minded Ned is known to be, even he can fall victim to the
>pressures of pride and acclaim. This humanizes him.
>
>

I thought ned always said that howland reed saved him.

Per reddit, from a clash of kings:

" Something his father had told him once when he was little came back to him suddenly...

"The finest knight I ever saw was Ser Arthur Dayne, who fought with a blade called Dawn, forged from the heart of a fallen star. They called him the Sword of the Morning, and he would have killed me but for Howland Reed." Father had gotten sad then, and he would say no more. Bran wished he had asked him what he meant."

(Back to being Eddard Christ I guess.)

that goddamn work.

When it was 4 on one I expected some honorable death bullshit.

But when he took em all down smoothlike, i was like, "oh shit".

and then Reed would have to swoop in and do something even more grimy.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

R+L=J&M imo

Who is M ?

the lil young chic rolling w/ Bran

thanks

Targaryen

I think both theories are a bit too much but hey

I don't want it to be that the dragons were cool with him because of his bloodline. I want it to be because he's fucking Tyrion, and he drinks and he knows things

Homie is referencing what's known as a "tinfoil theory"
Mega reach.

Lost got me scared once a show goes time traveling, it goes off the rail.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

then them setting up him hopping in the delorian to go save his pops. I dont think there's a showrunner out there that wants to copy anything Lost did after the first season, LOL.

And I think they need to make warging look more powerful because while he's in Lord Of The Rings magic world, so far the powers look pretty fucking shitty...id rather have functioning legs (take control of animals and mentally incapacitated humans! be able to spy on people's old facebook feeds!)

lil intro of 'ohh ok...look...he can go back in time now..cool'

'ohhh ok...Ned actually heard him when he went back in time...cool'


so how far will he go back? (I'm thinkin he might go so far as to see who/how the leader of the whitewalkers an em became who they are)

how strong is Bran's warg shit and who is he gonna take out
I hated this whole story line 2 seasons ago but it's startin to connect a little

also Rickon is a warg too.....will he play a part?


the only storyline of the show that is irritating me now is Arya

i can't see them turning their back on the starks. and sure, the boltons have winterfell but they're not exactly in a great position. that umber dude is awesome though.

Ramsey acting all prim and proper while they were on some thug shit makes me wonder that while he knows his torture and battle tactics, he might suck with politics.

It would make sense why they would suddenly give up Rikon NOW since they knew couldnt play Roose like that.

And other Northern Houses still loyal to the Sarks as an attempt to defeat Ramsey and install Rickon at Winterfell.

I'm hoping that isn't really Shaggydogs head and it just some other wolf.

I suppose the Umbers and other houses could use the Wildling threat as a way to draw the Bolton forces out of Winterfell so that they could defeat them in the open field.

However, it is a risky move and the Umbers have no way of guaranteeing Rickons safety.

Unfortunately, I think the Umbers did turn on Rickon and Rickon will be used as a bait to try to draw Sansa out and then Ramsey will kill Rickon.

We don't see Umber's Senior dying, Rickon arriving at their location and are never introduced to the son (I don't think).

That's a lot of story to leave out unless it's on purpose.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

By himself. No horse. No wolf.
Winterfell is the only thing that makes a lick of sense but he doesn't really have a reason to go there...

And the trailer for this season already gave away that he's gonna be apart of a team battle at some point...

The way things were shaping up Ramsey and Jon Snow would be going up against each other in the next episode or so.

I bet they are saving that confrontation to later in the season, even the season finale.

But they have proven my expectations wrong before.




>By himself. No horse. No wolf.
>Winterfell is the only thing that makes a lick of sense but he
>doesn't really have a reason to go there...
>
>And the trailer for this season already gave away that he's
>gonna be apart of a team battle at some point...


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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As much as I can appreciate the move by Daenerys to overcome the khals, that last scene disgusted me. Also shoutout to the only other clearly African descended female thus far this season, what a surprise that she's a sex slave.

I'm hoping Tyrion and Varys got a backup plan, not trusting this 'Seven Years a Freed' plan.

Osha deserved a better death, Ramsey's schtick is worn paper thin. The whole battle of the basterds is a bit on the nose, but whatever.

The only thing that really got me genuine happy this episode is Tormund giving Brienne that Look. I loveeee Brienne, and Tormund would be the perfect match for her.

I want it to happen, even more than her + J.

I get your real world assessment of the brown bodies worshipping white saviors thing. But, when I'm in Westeros mode, I give a flying fig about real world racial disparity and the bullshit that we as brown people deal with every day.

In the Game of Thrones, I fucks with Khalessi. And, what she did to those idiots was straight gangsta!!!!

Brienne is going to get her some...if Jamie doesn't swoop in out of nowhere and fuck it up.

Tyrion is not stupid enough to fall for this peace bullshit. He's definitely going to have another plan in his pocket. He's the Papa Pope of this show. Thinking 3 steps ahead of everybody.

At first I was thinking that Sansa did something to make that letter seem like it was from Ramsay, but when he started talking about Rickon, I knew it was real. And, that Jon "ImReallyAFuckinTargaryenButIDontKnowIt" Snow wasn't going to stand by and let that shit go down.

I'm still trying to figure out Cersei in all of this. I understand if they don't do something, Cersei is going to be put to trial. But we all know she will choose a trial by combat and Sir Robert Strong will kill whoever is his opponent. But, why would she trust the Tyrells? I know they have a common enemy...but there is no way that after this is all said and done, they aren't going to want to kill Tommen. He's the King and even though he loves Margaery, he let this happen on his watch. Somehow they will kill Tommen. It won't be the High Sparrow or his people.

I am really loving this shit. I can't wait for George RR Martin to finish Winds of Winter...but...I am loving how the show is going away from the books. And, by the time this season is done, I can read how he really wanted things to go down.

Humiliating Margarey has been her game ever since she walked out on that balcony with Joffrey and showed him that the people aren't as rotten as the Lannisters think they are.

She's hoping the Sparrows and Tyrell Army slaughter each other, and if Marg gets caught in the crossfire, so much the better.

>As much as I can appreciate the move by Daenerys to overcome
>the khals, that last scene disgusted me. Also shoutout to the
>only other clearly African descended female thus far this
>season, what a surprise that she's a sex slave.
>
>I'm hoping Tyrion and Varys got a backup plan, not trusting
>this 'Seven Years a Freed' plan.
>
>Osha deserved a better death, Ramsey's schtick is worn paper
>thin. The whole battle of the basterds is a bit on the nose,
>but whatever.
>
>The only thing that really got me genuine happy this episode
>is Tormund giving Brienne that Look. I loveeee Brienne, and
>Tormund would be the perfect match for her.
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

this storyline, Dorne, etc. It doesnt help that the slavers tend to be half minority, half white people with Egyptian makeup on. This white savior storyline could be less offensive because you've got somewhat of a feminist message there but considering all the darkies do on the show is fuck and fight it gets lost in the sauce.

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It's a really well produced fantasy series that for the most part stays on top of its game, and that game is subverting genre conventions...

...but let's be honest, the fantasy genre leans heavily towards misogyny and eurocentrism, and GOT is not really subverting those conventions as much as it could be. This isn't as true with the misogyny, but it is certainly true with the eurocentrism.

"see you can't handle that shit, pops"

and of course no one is pleased lol

It's like we're finally being paid back for 5 seasons of torturing our favorite characters.

"See Jorah, I told you she got that fire pum pum. Literally."

Y'all see Jorah sneak a peep after he bowed? He's whupped.

I love/hate the Dothraki story line. LOVE: her being back with her original peoples, love how this damsdel in distress shit is over (notice how Jorah Dario weren't needed). HATE: how cheesy easy it was to escape, but fuck it...we got titties and a cool scene

It's going to be interesting because she's got 100,000 people roaving army, but also a kingdom in Mereen. Which means we are going to see Tyrion the hand play an even more important role which is a good thing. I assume with the Harpy's burning up all her ships its going to be her trying to gather up resources in Mereen for her eventual march into Westeros.

I LOVE how finally Sansa and Jon meet up. As usual the Wall brings the storytelling goods. I love how Littlefinger is back in the game. Only thing I hate is that the war for the north is a bit too on the nose, but with littlefinger there the pre-ordained victory probably won't go the way they planned.

King's Landing is picking up with everyone working together against the Sparrow. But like I saw in another forum, its a Cersei plan so its bound to fail.

Dude is not infallible and he seemed just a bit too cocky that he could win over the slavers with logic and playing to their greed.

I feel like Dany is going to come back and be like "you made a deal with who!?!?"


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

after the deal was done. You didn't think that was out of place? Tyrion got plan b and he can bullshit a plan c

I've seen this said (maybe here or elsewhere..i don't remember specifically where) and don't get it


I can't think of one move he made that has (so far) resulted in something bad for him

he's out manipulated two armies

granted he's not AS smart as let's say Tyrion, Varys, Lil Finger and Tywin but he's certainly not a dummy

short-sighted w/daddy issues maybe but dumb....

I don't see it

he's like Rob and Cersei level imo

But he is a boring character, one dimensional, no seen vulnerabilities and no depth.




>I've seen this said (maybe here or elsewhere..i don't
>remember specifically where) and don't get it
>
>
>I can't think of one move he made that has (so far) resulted
>in something bad for him
>
>he's out manipulated two armies
>
>granted he's not AS smart as let's say Tyrion, Varys, Lil
>Finger and Tywin but he's certainly not a dummy
>
>short-sighted w/daddy issues maybe but dumb....
>
>I don't see it
>
>he's like Rob and Cersei level imo


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

That said, that message to Jon Snow was written in size 48 'ITS A TRAP' font, so lets see how this plays out. Even if littlefinger gets in the mix I don't see him making it easy at all which is good because the big fight+jon winning has been telegraphed for over a year now.

>I've seen this said (maybe here or elsewhere..i don't
>remember specifically where) and don't get it
>
>
>I can't think of one move he made that has (so far) resulted
>in something bad for him
>
>he's out manipulated two armies
>
>granted he's not AS smart as let's say Tyrion, Varys, Lil
>Finger and Tywin but he's certainly not a dummy
>
>short-sighted w/daddy issues maybe but dumb....
>
>I don't see it
>
>he's like Rob and Cersei level imo

good pt.
pretty much what his father was tryin to teach him

People are hoping for a plot by the northern houses to take back Winterfell, but the hope that something is brewing isn’t a defacto assumption that Ramsay is stupid.

People are hoping Jon somehow manages to rally the North to his cause as a bastard son with no legit claim to Winterfell…. In alliance with the Wildlings after kinda-sorta violating his oath to the Watch. That’s a tall order even with the support of Sansa.

Again, I don’t see where anyone assumes Ramsay is stupid. People are simply hoping the other northern houses have something in the works.
I’m not seeing the dots connect to Ramsay being stupid.

What I will say is that Ramsay’s rise through such ruthless means actually illustrates a coming moment of weakness. He’s smart but we’ve seen nothing in the show that shows him to be a brilliant tactician or politician. He’s a spoiled, privileged brat who was given some power by his father and took greater power in a moment of opportunity, not through some brilliant strategy.

Conversely, Jon is as seasoned as anyone in the show. In fact I’m struggling to think of anyone alive at this point with better credentials to take out Ramsay. Add the fact that the North has historically shown great loyalty to the Starks and you don’t need to take Ramsay for a fool to believe Jon can win this fight.

Because, like his background, they question his legitimacy with their very existence. His dad always gave the advice that he needs to keep his enemies close, but Ramsey has resisted that from the word go. He got Sansa in his clutches and immediately delighted in tormenting her. Northern loyalty to the Starks shouldn't be as automatic as Sansa seems to think it is, but there's no way everyone is cool flying a Flayed Man flag.

I'd say the win over him seems inevitable, but at what cost? I imagine that if they take back Winterfell, they'll find little bro hacked up cruelly in the basement, or something equally bad, just so it feels like a very qualified victory.

if you act like a wild dog people will treat you like one



so either he recognizes that and is using that to his advantage

or he really is insane and just yoloing his way through this

escape, if he doesn't torture and rape her it wouldn't have pushed Theon over the edge to help her, and his fine ass sadistic bitch would still be alive.

He would be in a much better position if Sansa were still his wife, no one would take arms against them in the North if he had kept up appearances. He still could have killed his dad, no one liked him, might have even been seen as a positive to all the people in the North. He could have played the game perfectly but he's too sadistic. Now it's all going to come crashing down, he ain't ready for the wildlings, the vale, bear island, white harbor, and everyone else.

He could have done a little PR campaign, like changing his sigil to the flayed man but rightside up, ushering in a new era of mercy lol.

what does Bear Island gotta do with anything?

That's Jorah's and his father hometown...

are they considered the North?

just south of the wall, the women are trained to fight same as the men, because there are fucking bears just roaming around all over. Bolton sent a raven asking for their fealty, and 11 yr old Joanna, sent him one back telling him to fuck himself. White Harbor is a big city in the north, they don't like the Bolton's either, and love the Starks.

And yall were complaining about how much of a brat she was in previous seasons. Look at her now.

She needs to be the new Bawse because she will have earned it like no other character has.

And she all growned up and looking good now.

I'll be like, excuse me Missandei (my past love interest) do you mind stepping aside and tapping that beautiful opposite of Nubian princess on the shoulder for me?



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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all that "come and see, and snarky threats..

made me think of his letter to the Greyjoys talking about "those shitstained rocks you call home" and "Theon's favorite toy. He cried when i took it away from him"

Dude's got talent

I got your bro in the Dungeon,
friends with the Umbers,
Karstarks and others, ready to rumble.

Come and See!

as they ride into battle lol


also any one notice that little finger thinks jon is still dead?

GUFFAW!!!

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Kind of a dope idea but they really haven't cultivated any characters in the North to pull it off. The Dude who betrayed didn't seem like that was what he was up to.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i'd rather watch Ramsey do sadistic shit all day than listen to another one of those things. they're fucking excruciating.

if there is another one, i hope it ends with frankenmoutain squashing his head

to margery was actually quite good

... than watch Ramsey kill another person in a drawn-out scene just because. I'm thoroughly enjoying this season so far, but Ramsey is soooooooo one-dimensional... and not even in an interesting way. We know where his storyline is heading-- it's heading in the same direction it's always gone in.

High Sparrow, meanwhile, is a mystery to me. Hearing his backstory was cool, and I have no fucking idea how the Lannisters and the Tyrells are gonna get out of this shit, so I'm compelled by the little mind games and attempted manipulations going on. That, and Jonathan Pryce is a hell of an actor. His shit is one-dimensional, but at least it's an interesting dimension to me.

as far as true motivations

the whole time you are like this cant be all there is to this guy whats his play

Part is because Pryce (who i agree is killing it) is far more frustrating, holding himself up as this beacon of righteousness, but of course mixing it with his humble act. "oh i'm just a man... we're all the same... the gods" blah blah blah.

the story itself is cool, and it's probably working for the show that he's such a frustrating "villain", but i've really had enough of his little sit downs. I can't stand 'em lol.

... where their weak spot is. They can't *actually* be the type of guy who'd actually rather die than be bought... right?

I always assume that 99.999999% of dudes can be bought. But if he's the type of fanatic who legit would rather be a martyr than endorse anything on the outside? He's more dangerous than a thousand Ramseys, because all of his people will follow him to the end-- even if you kill him, he'll inspire so many more.

That probably has more to do with my upbringing than anything else. No clue what your preference for Ramsey says about your upbringing. ;-) lol

>. No clue what your preference for Ramsey says about your
>upbringing.

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Cause there is no real way to defeat the Sparrow. It's certainly not killing him (which only strengthens his brand).

Nietzsche put me on to it, but this is a cool way to see how it would play out in context.



>... where their weak spot is. They can't *actually* be the
>type of guy who'd actually rather die than be bought...
>right?
>
>I always assume that 99.999999% of dudes can be bought. But if
>he's the type of fanatic who legit would rather be a martyr
>than endorse anything on the outside? He's more dangerous than
>a thousand Ramseys, because all of his people will follow him
>to the end-- even if you kill him, he'll inspire so many more.
>
>
>That probably has more to do with my upbringing than anything
>else. No clue what your preference for Ramsey says about your
>upbringing. ;-) lol


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>... where their weak spot is. They can't *actually* be the
>type of guy who'd actually rather die than be bought...
>right?
>
>I always assume that 99.999999% of dudes can be bought. But if
>he's the type of fanatic who legit would rather be a martyr
>than endorse anything on the outside? He's more dangerous than
>a thousand Ramseys, because all of his people will follow him
>to the end-- even if you kill him, he'll inspire so many more.
>
>


I'm not sure if he's willing to 'buy' anything either the Martells or Lanisters could offer him since it appears he's too self-righteous to want anything they could sell him; it appears he'd full of too much pride to want to take either family seriously. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing who ever comes at the Septons (I'm horrible with names on this show) will have to throw stones and hide their hands by having some other group do the dirty work.

It gives the world a large power player that isn't like the other ones. No nobility and political clout, just the will of the people.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

"Old man, shut the fuck up. Don't nobody wanna hear this shit" and then get up an walk out leaving him there all stupefied.

He's one of the best things in there at the moment - his performance this week was fire.

was pretty chilling i thought. i even thought margerys reaction to it was pretty good


hes so committed to it yet every single person is waiting to figure out what the con is


its great

is destined to run into daeny right?

doesnt he have the horn that burns you up if you blow it?


do you think hes defeated in some kind of iron born civil war gainst theon/sis?

or does he make it out and ends up encountering dany?


im thinking theon/sis defeat him then at some point run into Sam who fills them in on the horn?

with the dothraki talking about wooden horses and the ocean it seems to to fit

THEY WERE SHOOK AS FUCK!


i loved that scene

Brienne gotta be the baddest person in all the realm.

I forgot about that. She is going to take Red Queen out..when she least expects it.

I forgot about that. She is going to take Red Queen out..when she least expects it.

She was like... "Yup, Do something"

Valarian steel white walker killing sword.

i love her

You could tell he was thinking about showing her why they call him "Giant's Bane". Dude wants to climb Mt. Brienne is what I'm saying.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

...I'm lost watching season 6...
I need to go back and watch slowly..

Lol

Wonder what he's putting in that kid's head

Hasn't he generally been a bit of a please-everyone chickenshit for most of the seasons... he seems to have suddenly grown a pair with Kevan and the Tyrells gassing him up.

He's going to get squashed like a bug by Ser Robert Strong.

"is it possible so many can be so stupid for so long?"

Dude wrote that letter. Who stands to gain from a battle of the bastards the most? Maybe the same guy who was promised the title of warden of the North if he takes back winterfell....the same guy who already controls the river lands directly and the vale of Arryn through proxy.

creation of the white walkers huh. big time episode.

i haven't read the books but my mind is RACING.

and she still getting that work.

This was a beautifully depressing episode. So many gems dropped.


Tormund on some Netflix and Chill with Brienne was the funniest thing in this episode.

Also I feel like I need closure with Nymeria like she's one of 2 Direwolves still left and we don't know where she is.

I'm ready for Yara to (eventually) get in uncle's ass. (anddd uncle mentioning Dany got me thinking of a possession he has in the book, whether he has it on the show, and what part does it play in the big picture) Loving Arya's growth, I know she felt the stirrings of rage but she managed it. Loving Sansa's confidence, fuck littlefinger. Dany with the forgiveness. All in all, a great week for the surviving series females, and maybe a touch of what is to come? A more female lead world perhaps? *shrug*

Forest folk made the white walkers, but it was a power that got wayyy out of hand and seemingly didn't help the folk. (A series about the beginning of Westero with the free folk, andals, and first men would be amazing imo.) Will the touch from King White Walker mean that Bran has some sort of connection to the white walkers? Will he be able to spy/warg/watch what their plan are? King Walker and the other bigwigs walked through fire with no adverse effects, but the wights had to go around the fire...interesting.

Hodor....*cries* Summer gone too. That scene with Hodor was crucial though, what sort of powers is Bran working with? How much in the past can he change and as evidenced with Hodor do his changes just change things in the past, or can he go to past events to change things in the future?

All in all, for me this was a very satisfying episode and my favorite of the season.

I don't give a fuck what happens with the Iron Throne so long as they get together and end up happy.

10 minutes after he opens his mouth in her prescence


OR

maybe she'll convince him to blow the horn (do yall think he knows what the horn is and does?)


or maybe it will be more straight forward, she takes the horn blows it and feeds this chump to her dragons

it opens up a world of possibilities of what else his influence has caused.

on some Superman turning back time to save Lois.

Similar to Hodor being mentally damaged...whatever 'Bran' has done has probably already happened and is taking effect in the show...like you said its going to be interesting to see what he's fucked up for the good and the bad.

there is the possibility Bran can screw things up since he doesn't have that dude to serve as a guide.

I think the fact he said Bran wasn't ready to become him yet means changes via time traveling are possible, for better or for worse.

>there is the possibility Bran can screw things up since he
>doesn't have that dude to serve as a guide.
>
>I think the fact he said Bran wasn't ready to become him yet
>means changes via time traveling are possible, for better or
>for worse.


but that dude speaking to bran in riddles only doesnt help lol. just tell him wtf to do.

Bran is obviously Scott Bakula from Quantum Leap except for helping people he keeps fucking up their shit.

You are now one of my friends for life whether you want to be or not due to the Quantum leap reference.

That was so accurate!!!!

if the Old Man in the Tree knew Bran was going to screw up in the fashion he did in terms of warging on his own.

Well, I saw an interesting theory talking about last night's episode.

What if...King Aerys went "mad" because Bran was trying to control him like he did Hodor?! Or maybe the former crow tried to.

https://twitter.com/russellhfilm/status/734634854164398080

People may bitch about the time travel, but as someone who has always loved time travel, I'm in for it.

Huge episode. So much happening this season.

(to be fair, I've said it's almost impossible to do well and really shouldn't be tried)

but I'm not mad at this implementation



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Like all things Game of Thrones its such a fucked up implementation that its not seen as a viable long term solution (similar to magic). So as opposed to other time travel ideas in other shows/movies its less about cheap plot shortcuts/seeming smart but fleshing out the world and how fucked up it is.

Dude broke his friends mind as when he was child leaving him brain damaged and on top of that doomed him to an eventual fucked up death. This aint Back To the Future Nike kicks.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Heartbreaking....

I'm still hurting by this shit! I just can't believe that one word explained so much. Its just mind-blowing. This was seriously worse than the Red Wedding. People on the inter webs are pissed.

Hodor.

gonna have to disagree. rip hoder though.

Red Wedding had me shocked. the skull crush had me shocked.

Hodor made me feel again. I rewatched the episode with my girlfriend last night and felt just as sorrowful, and then we watched the After the Thrones show right after and they LED with that clip and we got all weepy again.

The editing of that whole scene is just...masterful. Especially the moment you realize Young Hodor is experiencing the death of Old Hodor and that he lives with that burden the rest of his life. He didn't just have a seizure and become mentally retarded, he actually experienced his death, felt and heard it.

Incredibly sad.

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very different than the red wedding.

Hodor was the sweetest guy in the 7th kingdoms. That's why 😍

Especially with how the show is jumping ahead of the books and all.

Bran was able to greensee and warg at the same time? So which version of him warged into hodor? was it brans present comatose self? or was his past self? I was a bit confused. And did hodor "see" the future bran at the point when the warg happened? Did hodor's mental state change because bran was warging with someone he was also greenseeing?

my mind hurts.

Oops... wrong link: http://wikiofthrones.com/1131/what-actually-happened-hodor-tragic-game-thrones-episode/

remix the whole Rhaegar and Lyanna thang

-I haven't figured out Arya's angle yet...idk how her and Jaegan gonna play out but I think she havin second thoughts about dude

-where is Yara and Theon goin? they gonna sail to Mereen to try and get the jump on her uncle n em? they don't have any allies

-Bran is a goner ....unless he finds a nice tree to hide in ... no wolfie...no hold the door...shorty aint gonna be able to drag his ass in that wheelbarrow all over Westeros

-the Starks really aren't too bright... Sansa should have played Littlefinger....I wouldn't trust his info either...yes Blackfish prolly got an army but Littlefinger told u....he only provides info for himself to come up

i think she is also

It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
for those that ain't scared

Yeah, me too.

and wayyyy off on others

Dany's storyline is just tired. Please move west quickly Khaleesi.
Greyjoys stuff is pretty entertaining.
I need some Mormonts up in this Northern Battle. And I'm still not convinced that the Umbers are team Bolton.
Blackfish!!! Can't wait.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

She won't. He saved her life, remember? She may kill the girl who keeps kicking her ass though.

Which seems the total opposite of what the faceless men are about. They have two competing goals and are on a direct course for conflict.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and he offed himself

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

she was supposed to poison that one old dude but she killed meryn trant instead...

she goes back to the Jaqan dude and he says some slick shit like 'a girl doesn't know how to follow directions' or some shit

he then drank the poison...and fell out...

then she was all cryin and he got up and was like oh he was nobody (while still being him) and took her eyes away


I don't get all the particulars as far as to his whole thing....and it is confusing....like I don't get the significance of the washing of the bodies but its gotta mean something because when the red chick brought Jon Snow back she did the same thing

but then again I prolly just proved your point because if he 'killed himself' then....I guess they are even

and are the drowned god and many faced god supposed to be the same

and what do we say to death lol

I haven't totally figured out the religious angles/connections
but from what I 'think'

like the lord of the light (I think the dothraki also believe some form of this)= fire
drowned gods also = death

the 7 = man

old gods I dunno

i remember reading that the earth god and many faced god were the same and considered evil or "the other" but thats getting into books stuff so ill not digress any further

of that litter?
unless the one Arya sent away after biting Joffrey shows up again

Nymeria is still alive. She's running her own pack in the river lands.

come in the cave cuz the white walker king touched Bran?

why?

last time the wights tried to come in the cave they exploded.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it broke the spell and it was open sesame.

Bran be fuckin up

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Hodor. Keeps going in circles, lol.

When the Nights King touched Bran it skewered the spell.

here's what i think. because the Night's King was able to touch Bran while he was warging, thinking he got one up on Bran, he actually created a means for Bran to tap into him...and since the Night's King taps in to all of the other white walkers and wights, Bran will be able to warg White Walker Hodor and use him to kill the Night's King

Like it will definitely play a role in Bran defeating him.

I dont' think it has to be through Hodor necessarily though.

I see a Independence Day/Borg type of knocking them all out by killing the one type of thing happening.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

n/m

I think Marjorie has a plan to take the High Sparrow out by luring him into a false sense of security making him think he has some influence over the Crown...Uncle Benjin (sp?)...the Blackfish...Bran as the new 3-eyed raven...so much happened...and Arya is about to take ole girl out...I don't know her name...but you know who I mean

And now back to the weekend....

Money Team Arya and Needle goes head to head against the Waif.
Uncle Benjen is Cold Hands?

the Red Women keep saying Dany is the Queen that was promised by the Lord of Light AND now the Red Woman at the Wall is saying Jon Snow is the Prince that was promised....makes me think they'll end up together somehow...

Well, not BAD.

But like...she's not good enough for that role.

Nigga wearing a moo moo.

Obviously

Supporting evidence for Jaimes version of him wanting to burn down Kings Landing. So glad to see Uncle Benjen, who i'm assuming is CH in the books? If so one mystery solved. Very curious to see whats going to happen with Arya, I absolutely adore Jaqen but the cult of the many faced god didn't quite meld with her personality. Can't wait to see her get in the Waif's ass. (also whats the waifs issue with Arya? jealousy? a crush? wtf) Would love to see her meet up with Syrio again. Have no doubt that Heartsbane gonna play a part against the white walkers, bully to Sam for stealing it. Dany back with her dragon, but I think Dario hit it on the nose, she's not Westerosi anymore, shes spent too much time in foreign lands. Uncle Blackfish bout to have his hands full with the Freys and the Lannisters....more prey for the Others with large armies of men milling around?

a kinda quiet episode, particularly compared to last weeks.

There's definitely some "This high born princess-type bitch can actually fight" jealousy in there, but she reminds me of a drill sergeant too... sometimes you've gotta be an asshole during combat training.

That manyfaced thing is fucking serious shadowy business... they must be on the permanent lookout for people who aren't fully committed so they don't get fully exposed.

You can be a professional, be super strict, and still not want to kill your inferiors. To me, her whole petty schtick runs counter to the goals of the faceless men, instead of being able to let go and do the the task you're faced with, there seems to be a vein of personal vendetta she's got with Arya.

or ever was...it's to help defeat the horde of wights and white walkers that are coming...she just hasn't realized this yet.

>Dany back with her dragon, but I think Dario hit it on the nose, she's not
>Westerosi anymore, shes spent too much time in foreign lands.

I think now with the taste of power she wants the iron throne more than ever though. My issue with her is yes she can conquer, but she hasn't proven she can rule. Every single city shes taken has dissolved into a mess, and Mereen is only hanging on by a thin thread.

Say she leaves Essos and brings masses of Dothraki to Westeros, they go and defeat the white walkers. What's next? Do the Dothraki stay in Westoros? Do they go back across the sea? Is she still their khaleesi? Is she both queen on the iron throne and khaleesi? I'mma need more from her. Dragons are a incredible strength, but even they can be killed.

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Sam out killing white walkers

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>Sam out killing white walkers



lol...

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They're both too arrogant, and not half as smart as they think they are. Tywin and Tyrion were good at this sort of thing, but Sparrow stays 3 steps ahead of these two. easily.

Cersei's confidence in "i have the mountain" seems bound to backfire too

They're pretty open about who is their offspring

w/Myrcella dying

I'm wondering how Tommen is still king if they made her atone for the alleged affair with Jamie

wouldn't it make sense to then assume these kids aren't Robert's

solidifying Jon Snow's claim

or Benjen, etc... (not sure what Benjen's calim would be now that he's a walker)

strange they just left this out of consideration, so far.

Her cousin became a member of the Faith Militant and ratted her out to the High Sparrow...

(flashback witch told Cersei all her kids would die)

who would have legit claim to the throne?

Gendry?
Snow?
Daenarys?

Ned was never in any kind of succession line
Or Rhaegar?
There would be absolutely no way to prove it, even if it is true.

Jon could protentially have a claim as heir to Winterfell... or King in the North but that isn't even something that officially exists after Rob's death.

and wasn't ever legitimized.
If he were well known to be Robert's son it might be a different story. But he's a secret bastard. Near impossible.

Tommen chokes on a pretzel, the rightful king becomes uncle Kevan?

if you recall Cersei had assassins going around killing Robert's bastards. He could be outed as his son and the proof is that weak sauce proof that Ned gathered way back when. I think his name is in the hat by default.

But other than that I think Margery as the Queen would remain and she could marry another and have an heir. Isn't this why Dany was also being hunted?

That Joff, Tommen, and Myrcella are Baratheon's and not incest-born Lannisters?

The don't have to prove that. Cersei was married to the king, and during their marriage had 3 children who were accepted by the king as his own. And after his death, they killed all of his bastards that could presumably show that all seeds of Baratheon have dark hair (and undermine their own claim potentially). They don't have to prove shit.

I gave reasons why Jon and Gendry have no claim the Iron Throne.
You come in here talking about how the Lannisters didn't have to prove anything.
I explain to you why they didn't need to prove anything and now you're in here talking about taking the crown through force?
The Lannisters didn't take the crown by force.
Neither Jon nor (especially) Gendry have the means to take it by force.
So... the hell are you talking about?


Even Robert Baratheon, the person who actually did take the crown by force had to justify it through his bloodline. His grandmother was a Targaryen and that was necessary to consolidate his power as King. Rhaegar was his cousin.

my point is that a "claim" to the throne doesn't matter. The first Targarean didn't have a claim, Robert didn't have one. Stannis had a claim but that doesn't mean anything now. Jon doesn't have an army at this moment but that doesn't mean he won't in the future. Hopefully that was clear because I don't want you to be upset.

and that's the reason he was allowed to be King.

did Aegon have a claim? Why isn't Stannis the king now? He had a claim.

But he was able to consolidate his power because he had the claim. If he didn't have any claim at all, other houses (especially those with Targaryen blood) could have said they were the rightful heir. It's a big part of why he is able to again unite the Kingdoms.

As for why Stannis doesn't have a claim... Because Robert's sons exist. If Joffrey and Tommen died before he took up against the crown, he would have been the "rightful heir" to the throne.

Nah, Margaery. She is the Queen, the moment she married Tommen.

Dorne is the only place where that's accepted in Westeros

Which means Cersei can't rule either. So...the Hand would rule. Which means Cersei would be out anyway. Her uncle wouldn't want to make waves. So, she would be sent back home too.

be it by Tommen or someone else (and then claim the child as Tommen's) she would stay in power that way, I think.

Other than that, with Tommen's death, I think there would have to be a Great Council to decide the new King.

Dude has been hiding in the cut for years.

Is he just quietly knocking out swords in an armoury somewhere?

Arya could take a lesson in facelessness from him...

...it will ultimately lead to Tommen's demise.

Being so spineless he'll be synonymous with the high sparrow's will & Cercei in a fit of rage will yell out & order The Mountain to do something that'll have him murk off the lot of them, and unintentionally murking Tommen as well.

to go against Cersei's Mountain.

Oh, damn.

Nah, they wouldn't put the King in danger. The fact is the faith has Tommen on their side. Why would they want to get rid of the man who basically gave them the power they now wield. They wouldn't. So....Tommen gets got some other way.

But, I will say Tommen will get got by the end of the season. I'm just trying to figure out how. Either way, its gotta be Cersei's fault. That's the only way that Jaime would be pissed off enough to kill her.

Cersei surely would not let The Mountain kill him. He's the only person she wouldn't allow The Mountain to kill in this situation (sorry Jaime). She might even... sacrifice herself to save him.

And Tommen's so dumb that he might actually think he could win the battle because he's got righteousness on his side. Margaery might even push for it knowing that it's a certain way to defeat Cersei and consolidate her own power.

Loras beat the Mountain in that joust match that time.

Loras might not be in shape for this though

Or the Hound is still alive and we get Clegane Bowl

Or Tommen walks out which would be hilarious

Either way Cersei's "I have the mountain" overconfidence, lets us know it's all bad for her.

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I figure Arya would be like bruce wayne and will move on to the next teacher but did she get what she needed from the faceless dude?

Still pretty sure she will kill him.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I don't know how that helps you become an assassin.

But so now she knows some water dancing and some stick fighting.
Meh.

She could've snuck right up behind Arya and stuck the knife in her medulla obologata.

would be the only reason to purposely stab someone there

Strong parallels between that scene and Littlefinger yoking up Ned in the throne room.

wonder how that plays out

Its funny how those little moments pay off later.

But yeah, rough going.

>Its funny how those little moments pay off later.
>
>But yeah, rough going.

Not, the ummm, black people of westeros.

My man didn't want to sit at the table with one. Other refused to fight beside one.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

— or is she a Lannister? I’ve heard conflicting reports."

she's the little kid version of Granny Tyrell

Followed by Ollena giving Cersei that work.

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Now that he's down with the Faith of the Seven?

And Cersei's so overconfident about having the Mountain for her trial by combat

Hearing the mention about The North makes me think that's what they're looking to do.

...

I thought at first...then I didn't...then I rapped wit my homegirl and she convinced me

-Where was Needle?

-how would she be smart enough to hide at the end of the last ep just to wake up and go walkin around like she ain't got #'s on her head like Omar from the wire

-Where she get the $$ from to catch said ride?

the Starks are dumb but c'mon

Waif is Arya and she is just a figment of her imagination. Like we are dealing with a fight club situation. Cause it seems Waif be walking around fucking Arya up in public and nobody ever says anything. You never once see anybody else acknowledge her while they are out in public.

Well not that she faked her death but she was all chilling willy nilly in public to draw out the waif.

The Pig Blood Theory.
A fan theorized that Arya called on a favor from the actress (Lady Crane) to use a stage-show trick with pig blood to give the impression that she is mortally wounded. The trail of her blood on the streets of Braavos will lead the waif into a trap where she can have her revenge. Arya was told to get rid of all her belonging when joining the Faceless cult; therefore, the waif is unaware that she still has her sword needle.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

gamble lol

But the pigs blood scene would make a lot of sense and that scene from next week were ole girl is running through the streets not appearing injured at all.

Here is the theory completely laid out.

http://www.viralshack.com/fan-theories-about-arya-stark-might-explain-broken-man/


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

but that sounds like a slightly better version of the crap True Detective pulled with Colin Farrell's character with the sandbag shotgun shots.

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Part other their training maybe? I dunno

Ramsay (or the Umbers/Manderly's (I think that's the other house that linked up wit the Boltons)





Using that Same exact theory as above
Sansa is gonna draw Ramsay to fight where they are currently located

the dialogue is all there....Sansa aint as dumb as we think...she recognizes Davos is trustworthy and Jon has instincts although she openly questions them


writes the letter to the 'Umbers an em' tellin em...yeah we only got like 5 widlings and 62 Bear Islanders...we need help

they of course gonna tell Ramsay

Ramsay gonna be like you, you, and errr uhhh...you...come wit me

and he is gonna go thinkin its slim pickins



and Ghost.....or the Giant....or whatever these creative fuckers comes up with will be the EPICally remove the most evil thing in Westeros

nm

and no one stepped in lol

I'm on episode 8 right now: had a lapse in my HBO Now subscription...

anyway y'all are not only hilarious with the slang, nicknames, theories and analogies, but y'all have made me understand the houses and conflicts a lot more

i binged seasons 1-5 in the winter and with all the hype i'd been kinda ehh overall, while enjoying it. sidenote: i don't think binge watching works for this type of show... but this post and season has been very good so far, cause y'all have been so good at talking about it

hooooooooly shit what a fumble.

god this episode is pure blue balls. the hound was the only saving grace

jaime and the tully dude was great

Were much worse. Riverrun was a waste of time and too easily resolved.

Why would Edmure Tully care about a son he has never met, let alone seen? Edmure should have told Jaime to catapult both his son and wife into Riverrun together.

Part of me thinks we are going to get Blackfish revived rather than Lady Stoneheart.

>Why would Edmure Tully care about a son he has never met, let
>alone seen? Edmure should have told Jaime to catapult both his
>son and wife into Riverrun together.

Because he has already lost EVERYTHING....Most of his family members r dead...

And u know how important a son is in the Thrones storyline....

It could have been more unclear the nature of her wounds. But it had to ended the way we expected, Ayra returning to her quest and no face dude backing the fuck off.

Fact is all of the conspiracy theories about what happened to Arya would have been way worst and corny.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Her defeating Waif with cunning would of paid off alot more than what they did last night. Really liked the idea of her putting herself out there to get Waif to think she got an easy kill then leading her on a wild goose chase and finally getting her in the dark room and taking her out. Arya's been in Bravos for what 6 months? She really gonna take 6 months of training and take out Cersei, Frey or any of her list? She better link up with the Hound again.

I mean for all intents a purposes it kind of happened like she seemed to have planned, she lead her back to place where she her weapon and could trap her by blowing out the lights. Which probably was her plan all along. I just don't think she planned to get stabbed up.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

1. Only Arya was trained in blindfighting? For some reason I figured the Waif would be trained in that as well.

2. What happens to Tully's men after surrendering? How could they fall for the exact same thing that the Boltons pulled and flayed all the surrenderers? How could what the Boltons did not come up at all?

3. How much trouble is Tyrion going to be in for all the deals he cut while Dany was away?

4. Where was Vary's going?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>1. Only Arya was trained in blindfighting? For some reason I
>figured the Waif would be trained in that as well.

Waif may have been trained but did not reach the skill level of Arya.


>2. What happens to Tully's men after surrendering? How could
>they fall for the exact same thing that the Boltons pulled and
>flayed all the surrenderers? How could what the Boltons did
>not come up at all?

Had no choice, they are too loyal.Think of it like the current armed forces fighting for Trump.

>3. How much trouble is Tyrion going to be in for all the deals
>he cut while Dany was away?

>4. Where was Vary's going?
>
>

These two questions can not be answered this early.

>>3. How much trouble is Tyrion going to be in for all the
>deals
>>he cut while Dany was away?
>

The second Tyrion started talking about his retirement vineyard, I've been worried that he might be Drogon Snacks after they reclaim Mereen.

His death might not be imminent... but it's in the post.

>1. Only Arya was trained in blindfighting? For some reason I
>figured the Waif would be trained in that as well.
I had questions about that, but we gotta remember Arya been on her Batman steeze for a minute she's learned a bit from the Water Dancer, The Hound, and no the No Faces' the waif might be trained as well but Arya may have had a slight advantage.

>2. What happens to Tully's men after surrendering? How could
>they fall for the exact same thing that the Boltons pulled and
>flayed all the surrenderers? How could what the Boltons did
>not come up at all?
>
>3. How much trouble is Tyrion going to be in for all the deals
>he cut while Dany was away?

Not much, the imp don't know Essos but he knows about trying to rule Westros.
>4. Where was Vary's going?

I figure he runs in to Yara/Theon sinc ethey need ships. Euron still building a fleet so I doubt he's 100% sea ready.

the way she lured the Waif into her trap reminded me of that moment in A Bronx Tale with Sonny and the bikers, when he locked the door and said "Now yous can't leave". Then going back to the house and putting her face there, then being like nah, fuck this, I'm out.

i liked that little bit

was to show that their dreams as little girls, aren't all they're cracked up to be. They despised each other as kids and if they ever get to meet up again they will realize that they are very similar people and will probably be really close.

that tyrion and varys are helping daenrys?

figure that since her maester has the children working as spies


i guess its either that or news about sansa

I assumed it was some kind of dirt on the High Septon, or something to do with Margeary's play.

>that tyrion and varys are helping daenrys?
>

and his real motivation

....wildfire. which is why when she asked Qyburn if it was just a rumor or something more, he responds "much more" . I think she is working on her backup plan and will 'burn them all' if it comes down to it.

I think this may also mean that somehow Jamie might be the one who ends up killing her....she'll be in the throne room giving the order to unleash the wildfire and Jamie will protect the innocent people of Kings Landing once again by killing his beloved sister...and since its GOT, he'll prob end up killing himself right afterwards for yet another WTF moment in the series.

let's see....

I don't agree with your Cersei/Jamie theory, but I think she's gonna fuck Kings Landing up.

blackwater bay fight?


makes sense otherwise though

... didn't the Mad King have a massive fucking stash of it? Like, way way way way more than Cersei and them even initially knew? I thought that's what I remembered hearing, that the Mad King had a super-huge wildfire boner so he had shit-tons of it made and stored in Kings Landing.

atleast as far as the lannisters/high council is concerned

so it didnt register to me that it could be a "rumor"


i could be mis remembering how tyrion handled the whole thing though

everyone knows he deployed wildfire in Blackwater. But it was only Tyrion, Bronn, maybe Varys and the KL alchemist who knew about the massive stores. I don't think he told Cersei or Jaime where he got it, or kept a receipt of any kind.

You'll be making it for me." That's what Tyrion had told the old wildfire guy.

he also mentioned wildfire to Cersei in a conversation before that, that it was Joffrey's big plan to defend the kingdom. EDIT: i think Longo is on it above. There was more than Cersei thought there was.

I think wildfire may come into play. it may have something to do with all the hidden tunnels under King's Landing. She might literally blow up High Septon's spot

very interesting

>She might
>literally blow up High Septon's spot

Scorched earth. Fuck Kings Landing.

daenerys, arya, breanne -- they are just blowing everything out the water

magnifique

i liked'ta died laughing during the bronn & pod scene.

the hound out here living that savage life. hang a n##a > take his jorns. its like that?

(the mountain)

that shit he did to high sparrow foot soldier was bru-talll

f7u12

I have a deep-seated hatred of all things Cersei, but that moment gave me the full WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO face.

i loved dude's smug smirk

that line was so dope

that line was so dope

Arya.

She did say she was going home in the last episode. Her getting to kill Ramsey would be kind of awesome.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

GRRM usually denies us that degree of satisfaction.

i very seriously doubt that the death of a villain that hated is a forgone conclusion
these niggas did just kill the best nigga on the show last season and make us wait a year to get him back

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No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

gets my vote


3rd runner up is death by giant(i guess you could include a wolf)

that opening scene was so dope when dude said her reign was over and you see this thing fly through the air in the distance through the air that catches Tyriann's eye and then she says my reign has just begun and Drogon swoops from out of sight to fly over them.

Him and Ricky both...

Coulda hit some angles on yall fool but noooooooo gotta run str8 and get got

and Ramsay hangin out the back window.

please.

I don't know if the show wanted to show the real side of war, show how poorly things were going for Snow, or make some metaphor about Jon being consumed by the people whom he pledged to help but either way that shit was real. Kudos to Sansa for the fucking lifesaving Vale knights. Ramsey had one nugget of truth though before, Sansa got a sadistic streak in her, and it'll be interesting to see how it manifests in the coming times.

As much as dragons are game-changers, they also strike me as some big ass, flying, destructive ass Bebe kids. Like yeah they gonna help mama run things, but when they have no enemies to fight they gonna be all up in farms eating all the cattle and randomly setting shit on fire. Really gotta wonder whats the long term plan for them in Westoros, esp with the long night coming and knowing that food is going to be scarce.

Lastly, I cant wait for Ser Davos to get in the red woman's ass. Eat that bitch alive for burning a motherfucking kid alive.

>I don't know if the show wanted to show the real side of war,
>show how poorly things were going for Snow, or make some
>metaphor about Jon being consumed by the people whom he
>pledged to help but either way that shit was real. Kudos to
>Sansa for the fucking lifesaving Vale knights. Ramsey had one
>nugget of truth though before, Sansa got a sadistic streak in
>her, and it'll be interesting to see how it manifests in the
>coming times.
>
>As much as dragons are game-changers, they also strike me as
>some big ass, flying, destructive ass Bebe kids. Like yeah
>they gonna help mama run things, but when they have no enemies
>to fight they gonna be all up in farms eating all the cattle
>and randomly setting shit on fire. Really gotta wonder whats
>the long term plan for them in Westoros, esp with the long
>night coming and knowing that food is going to be scarce.
>
>Lastly, I cant wait for Ser Davos to get in the red woman's
>ass. Eat that bitch alive for burning a motherfucking kid
>alive.

U basically saved me a post....^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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and kept on talking shit all the way till the end. Solid ass villain.

he was just an evil pussy with too much power

Ramsey was like Joffrey with balls

Blackwater and the Wall battle were two of the most boring episodes to me

This one I was completely riveted. The whole phalanx circle crushing people slowly thing was intense as fuck.

That being said, I thought the way they disposed of Ramsey was cheap, predictable, and panderific. No imagination to it at all.

Great ep tho. And the dragons were awesome.

As for Khaleesi, everyone sees her as a protagonist, but I've been looking at her sideways since season 2...and I'm excited for the possibility that her treachery may finally become obvious to the audience soon.

they played around with that and how she treated Jon and Arya in Season one....she's been getting tutored in cruelty and manipulation by some of the best teachers one could have since then.... it only makes sense that the victimized become the victimizers

Danerys is destined to go crazy.... the people around her make her halfway good.... I think ultimately it's gonna be 4 main factions in the end... The Starks and whomever's following them, Dany and whomever is following her, MAYBE there will be some Lannisters other than Tyrion and Tommen left, And then there's the White Walkers.....all this with Bran bein the fifth faction to help them save the world, which they'll fail at...

manage to produce some of the best tv in the history of tv

the ducking and dodging of the horses got them an award
shout out to my man Tormund for fightin dirty...he gets taken a notch down on my bad mofo's list tho

he's still a badass but he probably never even seen a pikeman before that day lol

till I rewatched

he hit that shield like "wtf is this shit?"

got shanked by a pikeman real quick and was like "hol' up"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9hVC2KzzvNE/maxresdefault.jpg

combined with

https://pics.onsizzle.com/Twitter-When-the-crowd-start-yelling-perform-83d5bb.png

I always figured she can fly anywhere and burn any army. Last night was proof.

Furthermore, why didn't she torch those leaders once her dragon showed up? Less important question seeing as greyworm handled things but still.

her people need boats to get there.

>Furthermore, why didn't she torch those leaders once her
>dragon showed up? Less important question seeing as greyworm
>handled things but still.

It was Tyrion's alternative to her MadKingish shit. They planned to leave two of them alive

Cant trust the Masters so kill off the 2 who are the most rutheless and selfish.

but two of them were gonna die from jump, they just made it sound like 2 would live

She rode off, remember?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

complete when she murders her own child fathered by Ramsey.

Nobody goes through the shit she has been through and ends up a happy go lucky person.

That's my prediction anyway.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

...in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she gave serious thought to, or actually married Littlefinger.... she wants that power.... Technically, right now now she runs the north, but she's the schemer of the Stark kids..... I could easily see her marrying someone she doesn't love and basically becoming the next Lady Oleanna....

http://time.com/4374920/game-of-thrones-sansa-stark-ramsay-bolton-last-words/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Winterfell and Vale alliance would effectively rule the North - Petyr gets to keep plenty of power and influence with Robin in his back pocket... effective Hand to the King in the North.

exactly.

Typical of this season.

please elaborate on how the writing is so poor.

the production which hypes everyone up and I'm cool with...


but severely underwhelming in the plots/storylines

the Arya storyline alone is the goofiest shit I think I've ever seen

and I have yet to hear this is the best season lol

best ep...yeah....season...naw...I aint heard it

Dorne was poorly written...

there seem to be more momentum for the favorites lately which is just uncharacteristic of the show...

i don't think that's poor writing...as goofy as Arya's storyline is...i actually think it was written well...i think we're just fatigued with how's she treated and shocked she's been able to survive the shit the way she has bc even though she's maturing she still seems...raw and clumsy...the ending feels clunky bc we're used to "protagonists" taking L's when they make the mistakes she's made

Both the daughters are doing quite a bit of growing up but are suffering less and less for their mistakes

Jon Snow falling for the obvious ploy by Ramsey felt like bad writing but it was really just SOP for the Stark boys...luckily Sansa saved his ass

this is the first season where things seem to end well for the Starks despite them maturing slowly or barely at all (even though Rickon took the L)

Arya's shit was poorly written. She knows that the waif is after her, yet she's leisurely walking around Bravos tossing bags of money at sailors? Not being careful or cautious as all? After all she's been through? Then she gets stabbed in the stomach and the next episode is on some parkour shit, jumping off ledges and sliding down staircases on her fucking stomach? While being chased around by someone being trained by the worlds foremost group of assassins... who by the way... only trained her in stick fighting. How does that help her become an assassin? Sorry, that's poor writing.

Jon was risen from the dead. Told that "they think you're a god." Yet he not only has trouble getting those same folks who think he's a god to join him, but NO ONE ELSE in the fucking storyline is at all concerned that this dude was dead and now he's not? His death has come up one time since his resurrection. As has the fact that the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch has abandoned them. None of the Norther houses give a fuck about that? Sorry, that's poor writing.

Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale show up at the last minute... the EXACT same thing that happened when Stannis' troops showed up to save the Night's Watch? The EXACT same thing that happened when Tywin's men showed up to save the day at the Battle of The Blackwater? The exact same thing happens in the 3 consecutive big battles? Sorry, poor writing.

Shit even Danaerys' storyline... So she kills the Khals, and that makes the rest of the Dothraki join her? Umm... well when Khal Drogo died, most of his Khalessar left. She was mostly stuck with the women, children, and weak. The stronger warriors decided to become Khal's themselves. Yet this time they all just choose to follow her? Even though we know this isn't how they really function? Even though we know that they have no interest in the seven kingdoms and they are scared of water? They just choose to join her contradicting all that we've learned about them and their culture? Sorry poor writing.

At the end of S1, the Khalasar that remained to see her walk into the fire and emerge unscathed banged with her for life. The ones that left left because Drogo died of an infection; if he had been killed by another Khal in front of them, they likely would have followed that dude.

So this time, not only did she kill the Khals in front of everyone, she did the impossible and walked out of a damn fire with not a mark on her. If you make your life following the strongest dude you see, surviving a fire is pretty damn strong.

I think you nailed issues with Arya and the battles.

I disagree with the Jon Snow resurrection. Outside of the Wall I doubt anyone would take that story at face value.

Also with Dany she killed all their leaders and walked out of a fire, I think that might be enough for the Dorathki to be convinced she is the leader they've been waiting for.



>Arya's shit was poorly written. She knows that the waif is
>after her, yet she's leisurely walking around Bravos tossing
>bags of money at sailors? Not being careful or cautious as
>all? After all she's been through? Then she gets stabbed in
>the stomach and the next episode is on some parkour shit,
>jumping off ledges and sliding down staircases on her fucking
>stomach? While being chased around by someone being trained by
>the worlds foremost group of assassins... who by the way...
>only trained her in stick fighting. How does that help her
>become an assassin? Sorry, that's poor writing.
>
>Jon was risen from the dead. Told that "they think you're a
>god." Yet he not only has trouble getting those same folks who
>think he's a god to join him, but NO ONE ELSE in the fucking
>storyline is at all concerned that this dude was dead and now
>he's not? His death has come up one time since his
>resurrection. As has the fact that the Lord Commander of the
>Night's Watch has abandoned them. None of the Norther houses
>give a fuck about that? Sorry, that's poor writing.
>
>Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale show up at the last
>minute... the EXACT same thing that happened when Stannis'
>troops showed up to save the Night's Watch? The EXACT same
>thing that happened when Tywin's men showed up to save the day
>at the Battle of The Blackwater? The exact same thing happens
>in the 3 consecutive big battles? Sorry, poor writing.
>
>Shit even Danaerys' storyline... So she kills the Khals, and
>that makes the rest of the Dothraki join her? Umm... well when
>Khal Drogo died, most of his Khalessar left. She was mostly
>stuck with the women, children, and weak. The stronger
>warriors decided to become Khal's themselves. Yet this time
>they all just choose to follow her? Even though we know this
>isn't how they really function? Even though we know that they
>have no interest in the seven kingdoms and they are scared of
>water? They just choose to join her contradicting all that
>we've learned about them and their culture? Sorry poor
>writing.
>
>
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

No one outside of NW knows about his death. Fine. But his death has meant exactly nothing. He was sad about it for an episode and... what? What was the point of killing him if his death has meant nothing at all for the story?

And the second part of it is that the Lord Commander of the NW has broken his vows and is going south to fight Ramsey. The North takes the NW VERY seriously. Not a single person even batted an eye and the fact that he left the Watch. The penalty for deserting is death. And again, the North takes the NW incredibly seriously, but not a peep about this massive fucking infraction?

Because it allowed him to leave the NW. He didn't break his vow because he died.

Also they earlier establish that it's the guys of the NW who take the NW the most seriously. The importance of the NW has been dewindling for centuries and now is mostly a bunch of criminals and high born people that folks don't know what to do with.




>No one outside of NW knows about his death. Fine. But his
>death has meant exactly nothing. He was sad about it for an
>episode and... what? What was the point of killing him if his
>death has meant nothing at all for the story?
>
>And the second part of it is that the Lord Commander of the NW
>has broken his vows and is going south to fight Ramsey. The
>North takes the NW VERY seriously. Not a single person even
>batted an eye and the fact that he left the Watch. The penalty
>for deserting is death. And again, the North takes the NW
>incredibly seriously, but not a peep about this massive
>fucking infraction?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>>>Also they earlier establish that it's the guys of the NW who take the NW the most seriously

a Non Night's Watch dude literally chopped a nigga head off for bouncing on the NW.....


as a matter of fact...the NW ain't/wasn't supposed to get no goodies neither...but the leader of the NW didn't care abt that being as though they stayed in the brothels and the fact he actually said it

that's marching on the world that everyone in the Night's Watch knows about.

i think w/ the changing situation posed by the threat i just mentioned that there might be some loosening of the rules and customs of the Night's Watch.

jesus fucking christ.

are you and Hitoriki book readers? if so, i get why y'all mad but stow that shit.

but what did I say that was wrong



I ain't no got damn book reader....just a nigga who pays attn

and i'm saying there's a reason why

statements wit 0 emotion behind anything

damn sure ain't butthurt

concerned with the northern houses not giving a fuck that the lord commander has abandoned his post. Again, the North is VERY invested in the NW.

Ned was the warden of the North

there isn't a soul who even GIVES a shit about the NW without a warden of the North...

Plus, the guy supposedly breaking his vow is pretty much the new candidate for warden of the north

the Boltons and the other more Northern folks don't seem to give 2 shits about the NW other than "keep them wildlings out"

'current' warden of the north

the other places openly don't GAF abt the wall (king's landing, vale,etc)
but to say they(Northerners) don't care about deserters...nah
I don't see nothing that says this or displays this


once Ramsay started making examples of niggas and beat Stannis

his father even warned him that they gonna ride against you if you take out Jon Snow

his father just happened to be wrong because the sons of the next 2 big northern houses stepped up...the Karstark dude was mad Rob chopped off his daddy head ...and SmallJon who wanted to make the north great again

so basically the north didn't care so much because ramsay
Roose did imo


so why the lil mormont girl('s advisors) and/or the Glovers ain't say aye man....we heard u d....wait...aint u supposed to be at the wall

this ain't big on my plot hole/bad writing list at all

not like the arya/waif shit

and that was during peace time...

during war time...they don't seem to give a shit period...

war been popping off for a minute

u got Iron born reavers reaving...bolton skinning niggas alive...alliances getting tested...wildlings already below the wall

the reason for the NW doesn't even exist to them anymore with the wildlings south of the wall...

we gotta realize that some of these conversations/events HAVE to be happening without seeing each and every one

they sat there and had a discussion about the wildlings...clearly, they realize shit has hit the fan...they just elevated a bastard...they only give a fuck as much as they can given the situations...

some low born commoner spouting gibberish desserts...off with his head...a SnowStark does it and challenges/beats RAMSEY fucking Bolton...yea...they aint thinking about the NW nor the wall

>Because it allowed him to leave the NW. He didn't break his
>vow because he died.

Which I conceded as being fair.
But to the Northern Houses who he has been seeking the support of... who don't know that he died (IF that's even a caveat to getting out of ones vows), he's a deserter. And that shit would not fly with them.

>Arya's shit was poorly written. She knows that the waif is
>after her, yet she's leisurely walking around Bravos tossing
>bags of money at sailors? Not being careful or cautious as
>all? After all she's been through? Then she gets stabbed in
>the stomach and the next episode is on some parkour shit,
>jumping off ledges and sliding down staircases on her fucking
>stomach? While being chased around by someone being trained by
>the worlds foremost group of assassins... who by the way...
>only trained her in stick fighting. How does that help her
>become an assassin? Sorry, that's poor writing.


Arya has to lure the waif out and lead her to her trap, but she was caught by surprise. Her rest and the excellent care of Ms Crane helped her heal enough to jump,slide and roll. Milk of the poppy is strong. Stick fight training is like the original Karate Kid training with wax on wax off, she learned other skills but didn't know it.

>Jon was risen from the dead. Told that "they think you're a
>god." Yet he not only has trouble getting those same folks who
>think he's a god to join him, but NO ONE ELSE in the fucking
>storyline is at all concerned that this dude was dead and now
>he's not? His death has come up one time since his
>resurrection. As has the fact that the Lord Commander of the
>Night's Watch has abandoned them. None of the Norther houses
>give a fuck about that? Sorry, that's poor writing.

Some of those folks lived with giants and watched the Night King raise the dead so it takes more to impress them. The Night Watch is still trying to digest everything that just happen with the coup and then Jon getting even. The Norther houses got their hands full with crazy Bolton and some houses switching sides, they trying to recover.

>Littlefinger and the knights of the Vale show up at the last
>minute... the EXACT same thing that happened when Stannis'
>troops showed up to save the Night's Watch? The EXACT same
>thing that happened when Tywin's men showed up to save the day
>at the Battle of The Blackwater? The exact same thing happens
>in the 3 consecutive big battles? Sorry, poor writing.

In all these battles everyone has to travel over a distance to get to the battle that's why they always get there at the last minute. Think about it Littlefinger had to get the raven gather the troops and start marching. The same with Tywin and Stannis.

>Shit even Danaerys' storyline... So she kills the Khals, and
>that makes the rest of the Dothraki join her? Umm... well when
>Khal Drogo died, most of his Khalessar left. She was mostly
>stuck with the women, children, and weak. The stronger
>warriors decided to become Khal's themselves. Yet this time
>they all just choose to follow her? Even though we know this
>isn't how they really function? Even though we know that they
>have no interest in the seven kingdoms and they are scared of
>water? They just choose to join her contradicting all that
>we've learned about them and their culture? Sorry poor
>writing.

Someone already explained this she killed the top guys like Michael Corleone. Khan Drogo was not interested but he changed his mind so the others could change too after a speech from Danaerys on a Dragon.


They only have an hour one a week if they put in everything you want it would take an hour everyday.

>Arya has to lure the waif out and lead her to her trap, but
>she was caught by surprise. Her rest and the excellent care of
>Ms Crane helped her heal enough to jump,slide and roll. Milk
>of the poppy is strong. Stick fight training is like the
>original Karate Kid training with wax on wax off, she learned
>other skills but didn't know it.

She's "luring her out" by being completely unarmed and faaaaar from needle? She's luring her out by paying for a cabin on a ship for the very next day and then paying absolutely no attention to anything as she wanders the city? Nah, bruh. Nah.

>
>In all these battles everyone has to travel over a distance to
>get to the battle that's why they always get there at the last
>minute. Think about it Littlefinger had to get the raven
>gather the troops and start marching. The same with Tywin and
>Stannis.

Oh yeah? So it takes them about... 20 mins extra travel time to get there? Please.


Miss me with every single thing you said. It ain't got shit to do with "reading between the lines" it has everything to do with knowing the world you're watching.

It's fine that you like it and accept things the way they're told to you. It really is. But it's poor writing nonetheless.
Shit, some people loved Lost.

Don't bring that buffoonery in here.


>
>She's "luring her out" by being completely unarmed and faaaaar
>from needle? She's luring her out by paying for a cabin on a
>ship for the very next day and then paying absolutely no
>attention to anything as she wanders the city? Nah, bruh.
>Nah.

Yeah lure her out and lead her to the trap. She can't win the fight straight up so even if she had needle she would lose. Hiding with needle was not going to save her.



>
>Oh yeah? So it takes them about... 20 mins extra travel time
>to get there? Please.
>

No it ends up as 20 min after all is said and done. How fast do U.S aircraft carriers get to hot spots in the world if they are not close already ?


>Miss me with every single thing you said. It ain't got shit to
>do with "reading between the lines" it has everything to do
>with knowing the world you're watching.

What are you watching that world on ? A stage, the pages in a book, or a t.v. where they only have an hour. Every min you spend on Ayra takes away from something else and vice versa.

>It's fine that you like it and accept things the way they're
>told to you. It really is. But it's poor writing nonetheless.
>Shit, some people loved Lost.

You know who ruined Lost ? People like you, all of that over the top complaining and nitpicking makes the writers second guess the direction they are going in.

mostly for those who don't give a shit about the writing and just want the battles and the tits.

6 seasons deep you lucky it still looks good.

some of the shit you say i can say are legit criticisms but most amount to "why aren't these eps 8 hours long like my work day?" criticisms

Lost was wack bc the premise was meh

that's the reason it's "nitpicking" because you're so in the can that you'll excuse poor writing.
If I were actually nitpicking, I'd be complaining about how Arya has been left handed for the whole series and suddenly switched to right handed in the past few episodes.

to talk this get some pussy shit

just say you disagree and KIM. he's more invested in the particulars of the story than me or you and that's aight

no need for that other shit, it's corny bruh.

chill

it was ridiculously convoluted, lacked concision, meandered on and on with strange stories that left the viewer wondering about the whole arc of the world and characters... look at this post alone for all the OHH shit I had forgot about that, and that and that. if we all pretty much forgot Sansa was a petulant brat, that means the writing is pretty muddy to begin with

BUT I agree with all the points you made, which is exactly why i loved this season. it's dropped the pretense of being deep and layered, and accepted its eurocentric fantasy with orgies of violence and attractive white women, most of which get naked, or raped, or naked and raped, and killed, a fucn lot... and then all the women who do fight and kick ass are not eye candy

b

>She rode off, remember?

of course this was all setup. why else would they put ramsay in the dog kennl? why else would sansa be there to witness it? It not far fetched to think someone would mention the dogs weren't fed.

with the discussion about him being brought back to life

so its not completely unbelievebale that after the war council they all were speaking together that night before the battle

They said Jon looks over and stops because he realizes Ramsey is Sansa's to kill, not his. It wouldnt be illogical to mention to her that his dogs havent been fed for seven days, thus why he ends up in the kennel.

"where is he?" (referring to Bolton)

it happens off cam but i'm sure Jon is like, "Oh, Ramsey? Yeah we put him in w/ his dogs that he told me he hasn't fed for a week."

results of the battle. I mean they got winterfell back but at what cost? Them surviving wildlings going to be heated.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and they went into it knowing they were likely to be squashed...

they probably won't appreciate the poor leadership but that's about it

They're not gonna be tripping

it's not like they did the Ewok dance at the end or anything.

The North will be back on their side now though.

probably nobody in the 7 kingdoms liked to fight more than this guy.
dude went hand-to-hand against the top squad of ironborn seal team 6,

only to just stand there and eat 10 clean right hands from a bloodied, shot, stabbed, almost crushed & trampled, jon snow

...who apparently jon and the giant also do great cardio, since they caught up with ramsey on the horse at winterfell like 20seconds later. cmon


i felt for the giant tho. and the open-field battle was epic. the cinematography and just the battle itself. they said that halfcircle enclosure tactic came from Hannibal using it against the romans. crazy


umm, good to see the dragons finally wrecking shop. not sure what kinda defense u can have for that shtt. except for drawing them down low on the ground


maergery seems fully bought in to the faith. she gave gramma the note so she'd go home, but i dont see an angle for her to play. she doesnt even has as much control over tommen as the sparrow does. and she dont have that scheming look in her eye. true believer

ppl hate dorne, i guess mainly cuz the sandsnakes just never lived up to the expectations... but the whole arya storyline turned out to be way worse than dorne. gotta wonder where the cutoffs are from GRRM to the HBO writers.

>

>
>maergery seems fully bought in to the faith. she gave gramma
>the note so she'd go home, but i dont see an angle for her to
>play. she doesnt even has as much control over tommen as the
>sparrow does. and she dont have that scheming look in her
>eye. true believer


Margery gave gramma the look when she gave her the note and she did the fake lets pray after gramma left. Its all part of her plan.

who liked to torture weaker people.


>probably nobody in the 7 kingdoms liked to fight more than
>this guy.
>dude went hand-to-hand against the top squad of ironborn seal
>team 6,
>
>only to just stand there and eat 10 clean right hands from a
>bloodied, shot, stabbed, almost crushed & trampled, jon snow
>
>...who apparently jon and the giant also do great cardio,
>since they caught up with ramsey on the horse at winterfell
>like 20seconds later. cmon
>
>
>i felt for the giant tho. and the open-field battle was epic.
>the cinematography and just the battle itself. they said that
>halfcircle enclosure tactic came from Hannibal using it
>against the romans. crazy
>
>
>umm, good to see the dragons finally wrecking shop. not sure
>what kinda defense u can have for that shtt. except for
>drawing them down low on the ground
>
>
>maergery seems fully bought in to the faith. she gave gramma
>the note so she'd go home, but i dont see an angle for her to
>play. she doesnt even has as much control over tommen as the
>sparrow does. and she dont have that scheming look in her
>eye. true believer
>
>ppl hate dorne, i guess mainly cuz the sandsnakes just never
>lived up to the expectations... but the whole arya storyline
>turned out to be way worse than dorne. gotta wonder where the
>cutoffs are from GRRM to the HBO writers.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iVK5KTXvnCI/maxresdefault.jpg

it really is dope to have folk like y'all remember these "smaller" events that define characters, but because one they have so many stories lines and are SO DEPENDENT on shock and gore, as it relates to main character deaths, a lot gets lost in the sauce... that's weak writing

we don't do this, to this extent with Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Americans, Fargo, Better Call Saul, even Mad Men

we usually all do a collective ohh shit, they tied in yada yada yada, not this constant "WTF... ohh you right, you right... i forgot about that..."

there's too much shit going on in this world, way too much, no wonder book readers are OD annoying cause those books being that thick prob means things are explained a little more and have clarity. I am not at all surprised GRMM is having writers block. his notes alone must be driving him insane

the fact is...this show has TOO many characters and plotlines for TV

and too much time in between seasons for people to remember EVERY single plot point

i distinctly remember that happening a few times in the wire which had a fraction of the characters and plot lines

it's simply too large a scale to remember every foreshadowing, every character flaw, every moment without cliff notes

to dumb that down would make it far worse writing

jesus cristo

that means weak writing in the writers room because they are/were afraid to cut things for fans of the books

having too many characters and refusing to cut them isn't weak writing period...

no

and no again

it's complex source material...

i notice that most people that binge watch multiple seasons missed far less than those who haven't...that's on the reader's/viewers and to a certain extent on the source material...

so again...NO

there have been some writing mistakes...but too many characters and plotlines is not one of them just like it isn't in the books...that's just people who want complex shit to magically become simple

this show suffers from massive expository dialogue, and psuedo poetic exchanges that drag and drag for episodes at a time. added with the supposed complex story lines and characters, it's bad writing, period.

i have no qualms with people who think this shit is epic and top notch, but from when i finally jumped on the train, the writing has been the least of my interest in the show.

agree to disagree

but unfortunately mediocre writing (some of the dialogue i'll concede as "bad") but as far as characters are concerned...i really don't see any of it being bad outside of Dorne

writing is also not why i watch game of thrones but i think it's a mistake to blame it's non-greatness on the layers of characters and plot intrigues...

the critique of the dialogue...i think can be a better critical convo though

.

to me...

makes it beyond 'Oooohh Dragons....Oooohhh they chopped their head off'


plus u can't watch an ep once and be like oh that was slick and k.i.m like with the wire and the other shows...Lost was like that

and it's philosophical to me...
u got a king, a rich man, and a priest....where does the power lie?



I think it does an EXCELLENT job of having something for everybody
(action, secks, dialogue, plots, fantasy, gore)

but the past 2 seasons imo have dumbed down some of the smaller plots where the 1st four seasons there was A LOT more of 'ooohhhhhhh shit...I ain't see THAT coming'...they put more of the attn. (and $$) on 'the 'big episodes'

yet it's still by far the best show on tv

i really feel like they mishandled Dorne at the worst time bc it came RIGHT before the Starks got their few nuggets of comeuppance...so it feels out of character for the dark and villain-dominated story to swing so far back the other way even though all of it's been brewing for so long...we really shouldn't be surprised that he eventually would have them get some revenge

that's why Arya's plot seemed so wacky bc her time training seems abrupt bc of how little she was actually doing in comparison to everyone else (excluding Bran)...those 2 are really the 2 where time is hard to judge (even moreso for Arya bc she stayed still for even longer than Bran did)

it's like listening to a really complex rapper...it takes a few more views to catch everything

flashback wrinkle in to (temporarily) take my mind away from the whole

'where the hell is this goin' mindset

when they came to get Reek/theon

also when he and "6 good men" slaughtered one of stannis' whole camps before their battle
but maybe they just slit everyones throat while they were sleep

also when he basically hunted people for sport

even as a sadist he was definitely more 'hands on'. he wasnt joffrey


but now, other than shooting arrows at 25 ft, dude didnt even have a weapon on him

the iron born been getting their ass handed to them on land constantly...let's not give the sadist too much credit

marg also seems like she's biding her time for a come up...she got granny out so she can work without worrying about her safety

i can't understand her play either but she's a chameleon if nothing else...if she was truly devout she wouldn't have needed the subterfuge of the note

like u said, even the ironborn we've come across in GoT have said they don't do well on land.

also, dude was shootin arrows and once Snow closed that distance, and Bolton got a whole army with arrows drawn on him, dafuq he gonna do to Snow w/out getting killed on the spot.

Them assassin chicks from Dorne is gonna fuck SOMEBODY THE FUCK UP!!!

They gonna catch a major body, they been out of it a few episodes. My guess is they go ahead and sneak murk Tommon.

Burn it all down

Three shrouds

...kill him. Not as directly as I initially thought, but... damn...

That shit would crush him. the prophecy plus him basically screwing her the fuck over by outlawing trial by combat had her probably be like come what may I'm gonna live and get my revenge

>
horribly hilarious.....i had to step away and enjoy that laugh

*waves*

It would've been nice if they had shown us how the face-swap trick is done instead of scene after scene of her stick-fighting.

Would've been nice if we had seen Jacquen actually show her something.

But it's moot at this point. I thought the writing in this episode was much, much better than most of the rest of the season. With one exception: Cersei becoming queen. That's not how things work in Westeros, but I'll let it slide.

After she used it kill meryn i felt she had that in her skill set. I agree seeing her taught that woulda been cool tho and seemingly easy to do

oh man that episode was everything. thank god they have been unleashed from the books.

Season 2 is still my fav and s5 still the worst (save a few eps) but this season was everything. Definitely in my top 3

its awesome tv loosely based on the books at this point and I'm fine with that.

This ep was great overall so I can't even list everything I liked, but on the flip I did cringe at seeing varys on the ship after just being in dorne lol but based on seeing house Martell sails with Dany's armada I guess they are sticking to the idea dorne is not part of westeros and that it's a power at sea

It's set up for a nice war between Cersei and Dany with Cersei defeated and Dany and Jon marry in true targ fashion and combine to fight the night king

i was too excited writing that post.

Watch I also noticed the golden rose of house Tyrell sailing out of the "bay of dragons" *slaps forehead* so you mean to tell me the Tyrell fleet sailed all the way from westeros to mereen just to sail back to westeros.

The scene with varys in dorne with olenna and the sand snakes was sufficient to let us kno they have joined with Dany. Really didn't need to see them illogically there in the armada

Cersei is THEE Villain of the show and i loved her burning that bitch down. wish they would've saved Margery tho.

loved lil Arya murking that POS king after she had him eat his own sons

Dany is looking unstoppable at this point. they gunna crush the Lannisters

man, and again lil Lady Marmount stealing scenes and making grown men look foolish.

Seems like Benji and the Hound gunna be one of first lines of defense against the white walkers. also where is Brean

the big question mark is Sansa and Little Finger. Does she cross her brother after she seen him with "all that power", and what is Little Finger's play now that he's been curved by Sansa

Shes gonna be a strong player in Westeros in the years to come and I cant wait to see more of her. Easily my favorite character this season.

Got confirmation for R+L, but what did she whisper to Ned? I'm guessing that she rode off with Rhaegor of her own free will and she wasn't kidnapped; can't imagine what else she could of said.

I love Arya, I mean I absolutely love her buttttt....but not quite buying her as an assassin. We saw her training in Braavos, fighting while blinded, but at no point did it appear she was taught Faceless Men tricks and maneuvers. I mean on one hand Walder Frey deserved every ounce of son-meat he ate, but on the other she got Lord Frey in a room by himself and also managed to make a ground-son pie. Not believing it.

The feeling Sam felt walking into and looking around the library. That feeling of newness, of amazement, of the immenseness of knowledge surrounding you, of joy. Loved it.

Winter is here, now bring on the war.

*pursed lips*

but when i first saw him i had the same reaction

his trip was to gather some allies in westeros, so it was part of the prep

Arya reached Riverlands, Jamie reached Kings Landing, and the Tyrell/Martell Fleets reached Mareen. I don't know how long that trip would take by ship

>Arya reached Riverlands, Jamie reached Kings Landing, and the
>Tyrell/Martell Fleets reached Mareen. I don't know how long
>that trip would take by ship



This^^^^^^

in different areas are actually happening

>I love Arya, I mean I absolutely love her buttttt....but not
>quite buying her as an assassin. We saw her training in
>Braavos, fighting while blinded, but at no point did it appear
>she was taught Faceless Men tricks and maneuvers. I mean on
>one hand Walder Frey deserved every ounce of son-meat he ate,
>but on the other she got Lord Frey in a room by himself and
>also managed to make a ground-son pie. Not believing it.
>
She used a similar tactic to kill Meryn Trant

She used a similar tactic to kill Meryn Trant

Ser Trant was a cowardly, no honor having knight out of his element in a new continent focusing on getting his nut off. Walder Frey was in his home surrounded by his people. I’m not buying that after a few months of training Arya has the skills and know-how to pull something of that caliber off. (and understand I loooooove Arya. She has been and still remains one of if not my favorite character of the series)

Maybe if she just killed Frey alone, I could believe it. Or if she killed the sons alone I wouldn’t think twice. Not killed the sons, baked them into a pie, fed it to Walder, killed Walder. Too much too soon.

What's not to buy? It's obvious she learned how to change her face.....

And of course she could infiltrate an entire roster of guards stationed throughout the Frey stronghold. If you can change your facial appearance it's not at all a stretch to imagine Arya systematically going through those guards....

you coulda snuck anyone with training in there...

why do you think they even showed so many scenes of Walder berating tweedle dee and tweedle dum?

the freys in general were just awful bootlickers

None of them are great warriors. This is why Jamie clowned the hell out of him. They got to where they are with trickery and dirty handed bullshit. Clearly Arya picked up more than a little bit of skills from her time in Bravos. She wont be cutting down 20 men by herself. She wasnt learning how to be that, she was learning how to you at your most vulnerable. Walder Frey wasnt expecting a damn thing. He was smug as hell.

Ok...the story is that Lyanna Stark was hooking up with Robert Baratheon until she was stolen by Rhaegar Targaryen, thus setting all of the pre-events of the Game of Thrones in motion.

That flashback showed that Lyanna died during childbirth....

Ned Stark came back from battle one day with a baby. He told his wife that he had a fling in the war....then raised the child as one of his family members carrying the name SNOW because, as a mistresses' child...he cannot take on the name STARK.

Well...that child wasn't a SNOW or a STARK....it was a TARGARYEN and his sister's dying wish was that he keep it a secret from Robert or Robert would kill the baby.

So...Ned inherits a bastard child, tells Robert the baby died along with Lyanna, and takes the weight on his marriage to honor his sister.

Notice how the scene cut immediately to Jon's face

D

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/26/12029644/winds-of-winter-recap-jon-snow-parents

that was well done. i clicked on a few of the other links, bout to read 'em

Lyanna whispered that the baby's father was the mad king aerys or if she did indeed say the father was rhaegar. I think it will end up being rhaegar but the fact that the chose to still drop the sound for that aspect of the revelation lends to it being something crazy that will floor us all like Jon being Dany's half brother instead of her nephew

n/p

it kinda implies he can lay tenuous claim to both the north and the south

That's the only direction I can see his story line moving towards.

Well because he was born of two noble houses and since the Targaryens believe in plural marriage...technically, he is not a bastard and he's the only male Targaryens left...

He has more claim than Dany and he can marry Sansa.

King of the North.

And, he can rule all of Westeros.

Dany will probably yield the throne to her nephew. And she can go back and get with her man.

>Dany will probably yield the throne to her nephew. And she
>can go back and get with her man.

Dany is done with daarrio and really feels it's her destiny to be queen. She ain't giving that up that quick with Jon revealed as a targ to everyone. She may be willing to do some kinda of power share but even that's a question mark

weren't the Targs known for incest which is why they tend to go "mad"? (also hinted at that's why Joffrey was so sick and twisted)

they hinted at this with Dany and Rhay Rhay so i wouldn't be surprised if it's up to them to either duke it out or they go straight up parliamentary with it lol

the main issue with the incest seems to be not that it's gross but that it undermines the original bloodlines so i'm leaning towards nephew and auntie boinking it out or her coming to the agreement that King of the North is valid and they allow the secession of the North

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4O9IWLoABU

I don't think I saw that desire stated until this ep. Clearly dude wanted to move up and become more powerful and wealthy but why would he want to be king? What's his motivation?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Where he said something like 'He would burn down the whole kingdom just to sit on a throne on it's ashes'.

This scenes sums it up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tejsD8QdlN8

He's always had power + wealth in the series...he's just trying to get nobility and a house and ultimately the big prize the throne.

We can argue that is a poisoned pill, but you gotta figure Littlefinger thinks he can run shit much better and control all the pieces.

from here on out...every...single ....one

he has made some of the top episodes of the show...Hardhome...Battle of the Bastards....and last night's

best closing ep of a season

Jon went from corpse to king

I originally thought Arya was one of the sand snakes coming to take Jamie and/or Fray out...but since Bron aint immediately recognize her..i knew it was Arya...well played

I knew Varys went to Dorne...still wondering what's more with him

From the House Side Nigga....Daario's only mistake was sayin the L word....other than that....he served his house well

Cersei is a bad bad bish...I wonder if Euron gonna come holla @ her next season...Sam goes to work for Google Westeros

Lady Olenna is a black grandmother on the inside

Little Finger finally messed up.....although we all knew his intentions ....he finally came out and said it.... as I think he himself once said (or was it Machiavelli...oh well same people)...once you learn a man's motivations you can manipulate him

lowkey funny part ...the whole time the north was doin there bitchin n moanin...Tomrund was back their eatin w/o a care in the world lol

even though she knows his motivations (which weren't that mysterious to begin with)...he still has to be treated as frienemy rather than regular enemy...which is more dangerous

they can't outright challenge him bc he's essentially got 2 armies he can command but they also can't trust him or rely on him anymore...

it's much harder to keep him out in front of you now...she may have to end up marrying him but finding ways to placate him along the way...he's gonna be a big problem...to be honest...Arya is really the only solution to him...

I'm hoping that's her next target...if she gets to him before sansa makes a move maybe she can avoid being a happy widow for a third time

imo

he played his card....

the ONLY other person who legit knows he was after the throne is Varys who is sort of in the same boat....sort of...I cant put my finger on his motivation tho

but yeah

nobody knows LF is after the throne...they just think of him as a slick talkin pimp who will do anything for his paper....Tywin was the richest (and debatably 'smartest/slickest') dude in the kingdom yet wanted no parts of the throne

Robin is the lord of the vale...not LF....if Sansa is smart...and actually learned anything (esp. from LF) then she will make that play to 'influence' Robin, have the Vale align formally wit the North and then LF is pretty much negligible and can have his head chopped off ...

Hopefully they don't dumb it down to show...Oh see Sansa is jealous of Jon and she wants the north cause LF said his slick lil line abt a bastard born in the south...(eventhough the very next scene shows her smiling and happy that erybody loves Jon)


Cersei promised him the North if he brought Sansa's head...so if they show him running back to her empty handed the MOST he can say is...'

well...yeah I found her buuuuut....this Jon Snow dude, this Brienne chic,,.ummm a cpl of Wildings...and a cpl Great Northern Houses kind of ummm errr...uhhhhh ***scratches head*** might be riding wit old girl

it's a real easy play for Sansa to me

if LF ain't say nothing he would've still been able to navigate between the North n South or houses in general w/o anyone really suspecting what he up to...which is how he got where he at

>imo
>
>he played his card....

but she nor Jon can afford to cast him away or keep him close


>Robin is the lord of the vale...not LF....if Sansa is
>smart...and actually learned anything (esp. from LF) then she
>will make that play to 'influence' Robin, have the Vale align
>formally wit the North and then LF is pretty much negligible
>and can have his head chopped off ...
>

I can't see how Sansa would be able to pry Robin away from LF...Robin aint right in the head...i seriously doubt she can wrestle Robin from under his thumb while his thumb is still alive

LF doesn't have a lot of room to move but dude is pretty brilliant...

>Cersei promised him the North if he brought Sansa's head...so
>if they show him running back to her empty handed the MOST he
>can say is...'
>
>well...yeah I found her buuuuut....this Jon Snow dude, this
>Brienne chic,,.ummm a cpl of Wildings...and a cpl Great
>Northern Houses kind of ummm errr...uhhhhh ***scratches
>head*** might be riding wit old girl
>
>it's a real easy play for Sansa to me
>
>if LF ain't say nothing he would've still been able to
>navigate between the North n South or houses in general w/o
>anyone really suspecting what he up to...which is how he got
>where he at

He's been done with Cersei as soon as he helped Sansa...that ship sailed once the marriage to a Bolton came to pass...they haven't talked about it but I'm pretty sure the Lannisters would kill him if he came back at all

But his position with Robin and him being scorned yet again by a Stark lady makes him dangerous from the angle of...not being there when he's needed...they can't afford to send him to go play in his own sandbox bc of Robin and the Vale but they can't trust him to watch their backs either...he's too crafty to be a completely cornered rat at this point

Cersei/Jaime, Sansa/Littlefinger, and Dany/Jon are the 3 dynamics i'm looking forward to most next season bc all 3 of them could easily go either way

>>imo
>>
>>he played his card....
>
>but she nor Jon can afford to cast him away or keep him close
>

Why not? they got the North
as far as people enemies they only gotta worry about the Lannister army ....for now....and they should be able to hold their own against them if needed




>>Robin is the lord of the vale...not LF....if Sansa is
>>smart...and actually learned anything (esp. from LF) then
>she
>>will make that play to 'influence' Robin, have the Vale
>align
>>formally wit the North and then LF is pretty much negligible
>>and can have his head chopped off ...
>>

>I can't see how Sansa would be able to pry Robin away from
>LF...Robin aint right in the head...i seriously doubt she can
>wrestle Robin from under his thumb while his thumb is still
>alive

Well....she is a girl....a very pretty girl
and although Robin got Asperger's, he's in his teen boy years
I mean it is her cousin and that's nasty but hey ...lol
they can get creative



>LF doesn't have a lot of room to move but dude is pretty
>brilliant...
>
>>Cersei promised him the North if he brought Sansa's
>head...so
>>if they show him running back to her empty handed the MOST
>he
>>can say is...'
>>
>>well...yeah I found her buuuuut....this Jon Snow dude, this
>>Brienne chic,,.ummm a cpl of Wildings...and a cpl Great
>>Northern Houses kind of ummm errr...uhhhhh ***scratches
>>head*** might be riding wit old girl
>>
>>it's a real easy play for Sansa to me
>>
>>if LF ain't say nothing he would've still been able to
>>navigate between the North n South or houses in general w/o
>>anyone really suspecting what he up to...which is how he got
>>where he at



>He's been done with Cersei as soon as he helped Sansa...that
>ship sailed once the marriage to a Bolton came to pass...they
>haven't talked about it but I'm pretty sure the Lannisters
>would kill him if he came back at all
>
>But his position with Robin and him being scorned yet again by
>a Stark lady makes him dangerous from the angle of...not being
>there when he's needed...they can't afford to send him to go
>play in his own sandbox bc of Robin and the Vale but they
>can't trust him to watch their backs either...he's too crafty
>to be a completely cornered rat at this point

I agree....which is why I say skip all the formalities...thank him for answering the call.....now off wit his head lol...u see a snake u kill a snake ...or send his ass to the Wall to play chess with the Night King lol

>Cersei/Jaime, Sansa/Littlefinger, and Dany/Jon are the 3
>dynamics i'm looking forward to most next season bc all 3 of
>them could easily go either way

yeah I will..Dany vs Cersei is gonna be veryyyyy interesting

Bronn's move will be even more interesting because who is he gonna align with....stay with the bro who got u money clothes and hoes.....or roll with the other brother who got u....oh wait

>from here on out...every...single ....one
>
agreed

>best closing ep of a season

yup. and low key i think it's cause they're free of the books. I knew that's not popular opinion right now.

>Jon went from corpse to king
>
>I originally thought Arya was one of the sand snakes coming to
>take Jamie and/or Fray out...but since Bron aint immediately
>recognize her..i knew it was Arya...well played
>
I loved her killing Fray, but Hitokiri and Shygurl are correct that it was ultimately cheap, cause we only saw her blind and getting her ass whooped with them sticks

>I knew Varys went to Dorne...still wondering what's more with
>him
>
me too and that other red witch who knows of his origins, what role she gunna play now.

>From the House Side Nigga....Daario's only mistake was sayin
>the L word....other than that....he served his house well
>
lol. true

>Cersei is a bad bad bish...I wonder if Euron gonna come holla
>@ her next season...Sam goes to work for Google Westeros
>
lol. excellent. and yeah man I've gone from hating Cersei to low key fucn with her.

>Lady Olenna is a black grandmother on the inside
>
tears. the way she told them Dorne girls to shut the fuck up was hilarious

>Little Finger finally messed up.....although we all knew his
>intentions ....he finally came out and said it.... as I think
>he himself once said (or was it Machiavelli...oh well same
>people)...once you learn a man's motivations you can
>manipulate him
>
yup

>lowkey funny part ...the whole time the north was doin there
>bitchin n moanin...Tomrund was back their eatin w/o a care in
>the world lol

haha.

And I may be alone in this but I found lil lyanna mormont annoying, I woulda been like lil girl shuttup grown folks talking now

She wasnt annoying, she kept it all the way real. Girl is a beast and she backed up her word.

>And I may be alone in this but I found lil lyanna mormont
>annoying, I woulda been like lil girl shuttup grown folks
>talking now

fuck those grown folks. they bitched out while she stepped up with her 63 hitters. they can't tell her shit

.

fuck that old man forever

or maybe I am overthingking

I get the lil birds are Qyburns lil rascals gang but why did THEY have so much vitriol for old yo

was it just them actin on orders cause of course Cersei and Q don't like him or did he do something to kids?

have been got in the Sept with all the rest.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

since they kind of have beef?

not sure really

them

but knowing him, there could be something in that candy that makes these kids more than just informants

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

"later" (c)

Welcome to FrankenMountain's torture chambers!
I kept thinking Predator when he took his helmet
off and stepped into the light. Wish he caught more
bodies this season.

I feel like Dany's bout to be so cold blooded.
She got that IDGAF growing in her soul. Tyrion
may have his hands full a lil ways down the road.

Feel bad Margery had to go out like that

Lannisters are done. Uncle Kevin gone,
all the kids gone and Cersei still got that smart dumb look
on her face. Didnt expect for her to treat her sons
remains like that though.

>Lannisters are done. Uncle Kevin gone,
>all the kids gone and Cersei still got that smart dumb look
>on her face. Didnt expect for her to treat her sons
>remains like that though.

Plus I think there are "lesser Lannisters" around somewhere.

http://cos.h-cdn.co/assets/16/19/1463178362-tormund2.jpg

lol

.

Before she gets wiped out by Dany or Sansa or Arya

I kno its way unlikely since the sand snakes are now on the clear favorite team to win but they are like the last ppl alive on the show that I really hate.

Later for that leper I guess

First, it just dawned on me, because i was so wrapped up in Arya putting the blade to Frey, that Jaime and Bronn thought she was peepin Jaime for his looks and fame when really she was peepin Jaime cuz "oh shit, there's Jaime and he's on my kill list too."

now, the question: when Jaime shows up to see Cersei being crowned queen, obviously he's salty at her because a) where's Tommen and b) i see what you really love, power. THAT SAID, doesn't Jaime have more claim to the throne as a male in the line of succession (when all other males are dead except Tyrion and we don't even know 100% if he's a Lannister) than she does? i mean, there's never been a queen in King's Landing that we know of.

The Lannisters themselves have no claim. Technically, Cersei doesn't have a claim. Being married to the King does not put one in line for succession. The throne being so contested at this point means that the major houses would/should call for a Grand Council to decide who it should be. They would look at the family records and most likely decide who is the closest living relative to either the Baratheon line or the Targaryen line... Or I guess whoever has the strongest army could take it. That ain't the Lannisters either at this point.

Altho I was happy to see Cersei ascend the throne cause I just love her evil self I definitely was like I hope this doesn't happen in the book becuz that makes no sense (I also noted how it seemed to be lil/no reaction from the people of the city or other westerosi in general to her just blowing up the most holy building and the main religious leaders)

I guess becuz Roberts been out the picture since season 1 people forget that joff and tommen were kings becuz they were thought to be Roberts sons. Not becuz the lannisters had some claim to the throne or even becuz they had destroyed many of their enemies

But I guess at this point the iron throne is so weak and power decentralized that we shouldn't really care who is on it. Cersei is really only queen of kings landing and the westerlands (and I guess the riverlands since even with Walder Frey dead his house still rules). The reach, dorne, iron islands, the vale, and the north are all in open revolt.

That the Sept was destroyed and how would they know that Cersei was responsible? People may suspect it was Cersei but where is the proof and who is talking to say it was Cersei?

I highly doubt Cersei sent out any Ravens to declare that it was destroyed and the commoners don't seem to travel much to other kingdoms.

And land. Word of the great sept of baelor (basically equivalent to the Vatican ) getting blown the fuc up would spread. This show plays with time too so it's like some story lines are day to day while others seems to be longer times between scenes but anyway
Yeah I can see you saying how would they know Cersei is responsible but the queen of thornes knew it was her and being that most of the city hates her and knows she was supposed to be on trial that day and had ample reason to hate the church it would be likely that even the somewhat religious in a city of half a million would be blaming her

That Cersei was painted in a corner and knew that Cersei always wanted House Tyrell removed as they were a problem for her. Plus, Margaery was beating Cersei for control of Tommen and positioned herself in the favor of the High Septon.

It didn't seem like anyone in Winterfell knew or the Freys or even Varys. The King and Queen are both dead, along with High Septon, Kevan Lannister and a lot of royalty. Sure people might suspect Cersei but she can always deny and point to the fact that she lost her son and uncle in the attack and just blame it on someone else. Perhaps she can say it was a plot by the Faith Militant that went sideways. It isn't like politicians haven't used religious fanatics as a convenient fall guy.

How is it that olenna Tyrell is the only one aware of the machinations and penchant for mass murder of Cersei Lannister. Cersei was accused of regicide in a very public trial, at the very least of all KL knew about it. Then the day of the trial all her enemies get blown up...

KL is about half a million ppl yet there seem to be no reaction at all to a major part of that city being blown up and many ppl dying

Now if u want to chalk it up to weariness or fear that's more believable but seeing seemingly no reaction was kinda odd but I guess they wanted to just keep the story moving

>How is it that olenna Tyrell is the only one aware of the
>machinations and penchant for mass murder of Cersei Lannister.
>Cersei was accused of regicide in a very public trial, at the
>very least of all KL knew about it. Then the day of the trial
>all her enemies get blown up...
>
>KL is about half a million ppl yet there seem to be no
>reaction at all to a major part of that city being blown up
>and many ppl dying

She's the Mad Queen now; I ain't saying shit in that room my G. She had that Cruella D' Ville swag at 1000 watts. There might be talk/revolts in the streets but it's going to be a bit different now that she gives absolutely no fucks since she effectively has no family.

And weariness that's more believable. That's not what dude was saying tho. Read my whole reply before replying. Thanks :-)

>And weariness that's more believable. That's not what dude
>was saying tho. Read my whole reply before replying. Thanks
>:-)

At the table after sonning (daughtering?) the Snakes, she said wotrds to the effect of "She killed my son, my grandson and my grand-daughter".

They were all killed in the Sept, so she must have been aware of what happened.

Don't forget, 95% of Kings landing HATES Cersei.... they spread the word as soon as it happened..... nope, they don't have proof, but Cersei herself is giving it to them by seizing power for herself after the death of their King, Queen, High Septon, Hand, innocents, etc.... they all know by now that she doesn't care about them

Streets BEEN talking

that masks the true thing that determines the outcome, raw power.

Like the whole Robert Bareatheon was able to claim the throne because he had a great aunt who was a Targyrean. Whateves, he claimed the throne because he laid a successful rebellion and he had the right people behind him.

That's why Cersei's done for. You can't be the boss with no allies. If Dany never showed up her rule would still be short lived.




>The Lannisters themselves have no claim. Technically, Cersei
>doesn't have a claim. Being married to the King does not put
>one in line for succession. The throne being so contested at
>this point means that the major houses would/should call for a
>Grand Council to decide who it should be. They would look at
>the family records and most likely decide who is the closest
>living relative to either the Baratheon line or the Targaryen
>line... Or I guess whoever has the strongest army could take
>it. That ain't the Lannisters either at this point.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

because he didn't want it and Robert had a bigger claim....

I often wonder how differently everything would have played out if Ned HAD taken the hrone

On conquest and force but Robert was the only who's grandmother was a targ (and also seemingly the others didn't want it) Ned said as much in the first season when Robert was like you should have taken the throne and bed replied you had the better claim

If Ned had taken the throne he would still be king and there would be peace. No Cersei as Queen and her incest bastards, no lil finger at court or on the small council, I doubt Ned would have even kept varys. Basically it'd be no story cept the greyjoys rebelling

The pick the choice they thought could best get people to rally behind. But the shit is all made up and their isn't a science to it. Remember Targeryans, and Monarchies through out history, all base their claim to thrones on being anointed by God. All make believe.


>On conquest and force but Robert was the only who's
>grandmother was a targ (and also seemingly the others didn't
>want it) Ned said as much in the first season when Robert was
>like you should have taken the throne and bed replied you had
>the better claim
>
>If Ned had taken the throne he would still be king and there
>would be peace. No Cersei as Queen and her incest bastards, no
>lil finger at court or on the small council, I doubt Ned would
>have even kept varys. Basically it'd be no story cept the
>greyjoys rebelling


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Likely to be rebelled against. Ned was a Lord from the remote north who in truth was a second son. The realm just saw one king toppled who's to say the southerners would really accept him as king

To me Roberts claim wasn't about the divine right of monarchies but more about that he had the blood of the dragon lords who had ruled for the prior three hundred years. But yeah it's all moot now

And ur right, it all comes down to who can make it happen in that moment. That was renly's whole thinking. I have the army and the support and ppl like me so there

U see that with Jon and Sansa this last ep too. Sansa by rights should have been heralded as Queen of the north but the gathered ppl simply liked and respected the bastard Jon snow more.

didn't Robert have to marry cersei?

so, how would they have allied with the lannisters then?

shit would have still gone down eventually

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

As a good match becuz house Lannister was very powerful and Jon arryn wanted to consolidate power around Robert

Tywin by sacking KL, killing the targ heirs and betraying the mad king had declared for Robert as King. I'm sure he expected to get something in return but that wasn't a guarantee. At this point it woulda been a slog but Roberts alliance of the north, storm lands, the vale and the riverlands was enough to beat house Lannister and the rest of the west if need be

The lannisters joined that war late and joined on the side of what at that point would more likely be the winners. They fell in line so it's not a sure thing that they would have gave Robert( or Ned) trouble in the future but certainly with the lord's daughter as his queen that made that less likely

Stark and Lannister weren't mortal enemies up until Bran got pushed .

when he was Hand. There's a level of ruthlessness you need to run things in KL...otherwise you just get ran over.

I mean you could argue that Jon Arryn was honorable and knew how to play the game but he still got set up by LF and his wife. Best thing that could've happened for the Starks is if they never went south and Ned refused Robert's invitation to be Hand of the King.

that will give you allies...which is really why it's not ALWAYS as simple as winner takes all

You can get bogged down in genetic lines and inheritances, but at the end of the day the whole thing boils down to Varys' riddle about power.

“In a room sit three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man with his gold. Between them stands a sellsword, a little man of common birth and no great mind. Each of the great ones bids him slay the other two. ‘Do it,’ says the king, ‘for I am your lawful ruler.’ ‘Do it,’ says the priest, ‘for I command you in the names of the gods.’ ‘Do it,’ says the rich man, ‘and all this gold shall be yours.’ So tell me – who lives and who dies?”

Power lies where the people think it lies - and in KL right now, you'd be hard pushed not to believe it lies with a woman who just murdered everyone else in the city with any claim to power in one fell swoop.

Doomed to fail for multiple reasons.

next season

bc they've shown time and time again Jaime's decent streak even sometimes WHILST doing fucked up shit...(he's much smarter than his sister usually...he's the bridge between Cersei and Tyrion basically)

stupid and evil Cersei-------Jaime-------smart and decent Tyrion

me personally...i think she's finally going to lose her grip on Jaime...but that could just be wishful thinking

as far as Cersei as queen...no, she has no legit claim...but people had an inkling that neither did any of Cersei's kids...she's ruling through sheer fear at this point...there simply isn't anyone powerful enough willing to say "Nah, yo" yet, especially after what she just did to the one entity who challenged her previously

her claim is basically wildfire and the mountain...nobody in KL is going to fight that...but it's definitely not a sustainable position...she's done for a soon as all these road trips get planned

she killed their son and she's straight up crazy.

and they just had make-up rape sex and all was well...

dont think jaime is cut from the same cloth but they are very dependent on one another

I know I would have (c) King Joffe Joffer.

... just like most of the other men who follow her

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First few years of their marriage but after while he shoulda felt he could trust her and spared both her and Jon a lot of grief (she wouldn't have treated Jon like shit if she knew the truth)

mistakenly told someone or be overheard talkin about it

she kinda proved wit Rob that she goes off on her own thinkin if pressured

I may be alone but I never liked Cat ... lol

it was definitely a tough call on Ned's part

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>I may be alone but I never liked Cat ... lol
>
nope. never liked her either. shit i really only like Arya. the Starks OD emotional and weak a lot of the time

>mistakenly told someone or be overheard talkin about it
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>she kinda proved wit Rob that she goes off on her own thinkin
>if pressured
>


I mean I guess he didn't want to take any risks but I think that woulda been better. Cat also proved to be fiercely loyal to Ned. I think having her on board would have benefited all three of them

I think it's just a sitch where he loved his sister way more than he loved his wife

He wanted the Ray Ray and Dany dead...what's to stop him there?

he definitely needed to take that to the grave...to protect Jon

no one could truly know where jon came from in Lyanna mind, and it was her final wish that Ned agreed to... no way is a man like Ned Stark breaking that vow..... i think as time went on, he WANTED to tell Jon, and the rest, but his obligation to keep his word to his sister was too strong

Ned was smart enough to know that tellling one person is too great a risk cause people tell people secrets. The only way he could ensure it stayed one is by telling nobody. I really respect him for that.

Catelynn treating Jon like shit also allowed the lie to live on. In everybody's eyes he is a bastard and it's not common for a bastard to be raised in the house with the other kids...however, the fact that Ned's wife has an issue with makes sense. It just adds that extra layer to the lie thereby adding that extra layer of protection for Jon.

Add to it by being nasty to Jon, no one was going out of their way to disprove that Jon was a bastard. No one had any inkling of his parentage. Btws Ned is far from the only person who knew. The birthing maid and howlend reed do too

is everyone in agreeance that there is no stopping them? that there purpose is to wipe the slate clean? I mean it's hilarious that everyone is still about the thrones, but everyone at the Wall is like uhmmm, there's a war coming and we gunna die. And most ppl not in the North still think the Walkers are a myth...

or are there folks who believe they are defeated by a possible/necessary allegiance between Jon and Danys?

also them dragons looking hi-key unstoppable, which in the world of the Thrones means they ain't gunna last, right?

Dragon Glass/Obsidian -- 'We got plenty of that back in Dragonstone' (c) Father of the Century- Stannis


Valyrian Steel -- Jon Snow got one, Sam got one, Little Finger got his dagger (I think he got it back), Jamie/Brienne--well Jamie had 2...I THINK he still has the other one that he gave Joffrey and we know the one he gave to Brienne)


Fire-- **paging Drogon and his bros** BUT....them niggas walked thru fire a few eps back ....which is why I gave them a .5


Somehow get enough of that in.....add in some magic and they might can do some thangs

>Dragon Glass/Obsidian -- 'We got plenty of that back in
>Dragonstone' (c) Father of the Century- Stannis
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lofl @ father of the century. I'm glad Davos made Red Witch have to "atone" for that. good ass scene.

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>Valyrian Steel -- Jon Snow got one, Sam got one, Little Finger
>got his dagger (I think he got it back), Jamie/Brienne--well
>Jamie had 2...I THINK he still has the other one that he gave
>Joffrey and we know the one he gave to Brienne)
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Sam having one now piqued my interest so much. it's gunna come into play
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>Fire-- **paging Drogon and his bros** BUT....them niggas
>walked thru fire a few eps back ....which is why I gave them a
>.5
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yo, was it explained why they were able to? was it cause he touched Bren? fuck them icey muhfuckas scary as hell
>
>Somehow get enough of that in.....add in some magic and they
>might can do some thangs

i fell you, but all them dudes at the wall look hella worried, lol. shit i would be too if i experienced that ass whoopin' they gave them in season 5

Dany and the Dragons being huge helps

Bran and warging (and his other less polished skills)

Red Witches and their magic (God of Fire)

Stockpile of dragonglass (hopefully Valryian steel somewhere too)

The fire horn ol IronBorn allegedly has

that should help even the playing field a bit...im curious to how Winter coming impacts things though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xppoy2veSP0

That's why they walked through it. However, I feel like it was said somewhere that Dragon fire can kill the White Walkers.

>Fire-- **paging Drogon and his bros** BUT....them niggas
>walked thru fire a few eps back ....which is why I gave them a
>.5

So the Dragons coming back, all the red magic, Jon's ascension to the crown is all really happening as a reaction to Winter coming in preparation for the battle with the White Walkers. There's been tons of talk about magic getting stronger every which way...it's basically a yin and yang situation. They have the pieces to fight them off.

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some breezy i was playing slap and tickle with recently would say it all the time, it fucn stuck with me...

later, as i typed this, i remembered it's from one of the women on the Love and Hip Hop ATL ish

smdh at myself

>later, as i typed this, i remembered it's from one of the
>women on the Love and Hip Hop ATL ish



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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s33R4VWTTO4

in execution that would be a bit corny.

"I've always been there watching over you and protecting you, even when you didn't know it?"

Comeon, to see that on screen dropped so late in the game would be hella cheesy.

I think alot of the fan theories are entertaining, Jaquan was Arya in the stabbing scene, but once you really look closely at them they are just too too much for storytelling purposes.




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Gurm has even said it's silly at this point.
He's dead. The end.

I think they purposely left that option open to themselves and then decided they didn't want to resurrect him. Maybe because, well, how many characters can you bring back from being presumed dead?

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

is this based on book hints? his mom died in childbirth so no ambiguity there

and if tywin had any doubts he coulda killed the baby right there

Lyanna died in childbirth and so did Tyrion's mom and the guy she had a kid with was notorious for having stillborn kids so I don't know.


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>is this based on book hints? his mom died in childbirth so no
>ambiguity there
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>and if tywin had any doubts he coulda killed the baby right
>there

like, did she just check out some faces and will get the back on time to avoid the late fees, or did she learn how to take faces and thus actually killed the girl whose face she was using?

on her own at this point, im assuming she killed ol' girl and took her face

i guess then my next question would be does that cloud my (our?) view of her?

i guess i don't understand how the Many Faced God works but it seemed like how they got faces for the House of Black & White was either people paid them to assassinate people OR people "donated" their bodies (though i feel like those people were drugged or somehow coerced).

does it go against the grain for Arya to be killing innocents (assuming that girl was) just to get faces to pull off her kill list?

before she left the house of Black and White; she isn't a Nobody, she's Arya Stark.

She isn't doing hits to follow the creed and order of the House of Black and White, she's doing the hits to satisfy her need of revenge at her family getting slaughtered.

Color in the lines as you see fit for her.

It'll be interesting to see if her and The Hound eventually reunite since they are both on their lonesome revenge tour at the moment.

>i guess then my next question would be does that cloud my
>(our?) view of her?


cloud our view of her, she loses the moral high ground

>i guess i don't understand how the Many Faced God works but it
>seemed like how they got faces for the House of Black & White
>was either people paid them to assassinate people OR people
>"donated" their bodies (though i feel like those people were
>drugged or somehow coerced).
>
>does it go against the grain for Arya to be killing innocents
>(assuming that girl was) just to get faces to pull off her
>kill list?

it means she is no better than the people on her list. She is less than her father.

we established she's not a indiscriminate murderer when she declined to kill stage Cersei

either she lifted (at least 1) or she's found a more humane way of doing it

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"