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12825421, Is Bob Costas right about ESPN being Exploitive of the Jenner story?
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 05:48 PM
Bob Costas: Decision to Give Caitlyn Jenner ESPY Award a ‘Crass Exploitation Play’
by Josh Feldman | 5:03 pm, June 8th, 2015


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-costas-decision-to-give-caitlyn-jenner-espy-award-a-crass-exploitation-play/

Caitlyn Jenner is being honored by ESPN with the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the upcoming ESPYs, a move that has been met with much controversy. There was a hoax about Jenner getting the award over an Iraq war vet, but people are still upset at Jenner receiving the award over more deserving people, despite Jenner being a very famous sports name who’s being heralded for her courage to publicly transition.

Bob Costas is one of those critics, saying on The Dan Patrick Show today that while he wishes Jenner “all the happiness in the world” and is encouraged by how much more tolerant America has become, he’s not on board with the decision.

“Awarding the Arthur Ashe award to Caitlyn Jenner is just a crass exploitation play,” Costas said. “It’s a tabloid play. In the broad world of sports, I’m pretty sure they could have found –– and this is not anything against Caitlyn Jenner – –I’m pretty sure they could have found someone who was much closer to actively involved in sports who would have been deserving of what that ward represents.”

And while he didn’t deny it took courage for Caitlyn Jenner to come out, he believes ESPN made the decision for the “gawker factor” and could have found more deserving candidates.

Watch the video below, via NBCSN: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-costas-decision-to-give-caitlyn-jenner-espy-award-a-crass-exploitation-play/#ooid=QxazJrdToItcCr1nRLOrY8eI1cjA9VLK



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12825425, no.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 05:51 PM
Considering the ppl it's upsetting I'm all for it. Fuck everyone who's mad about it. They're wrong and I enjoy seeing them squirm and whine.
12825446, Forget all of you bias for a second and consider the context.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:07 PM
Giving Jenner - Bruce or otherwise the Arthur Ashe Courage Award is like giving the award to Steve Young Athlete of the Year for his play on the football filed over 10 years ago. The Arthur Ashe Courage Award is a sport-oriented award, even though it's not limited to sports-related people or actions, as it is presented annually to individuals whose contributions "transcend sports". Someone in the current realm of sports life or that impacted sports or the community on some level.

Yeah, there have been other people that have received the award but they still impacted community of sport on some level. Even Nelson Mandela.

Still, I understand the notion that ESPN is just grabbing for the attention.


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12825452, You first. Lol
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 06:10 PM
The award has been given to others who have been retired from sports for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ashe_Courage_Award
12825463, True, but I think Costsa is right about ESPN trying to Seize the moment
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:17 PM
For rating and sensationalism.


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12825490, i bet you do.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 06:32 PM
12825493, We can watch it together in solidarity if you like.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:34 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825454, ... are you familiar with the history of the award? At all?
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-08-15 06:11 PM
12825457, Yup! Here you go!
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:12 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ashe_Courage_Award

Arthur Ashe Courage Award
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Arthur Ashe Courage Award (sometimes called the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage or Arthur Ashe for Courage Award) is an award that is part of the ESPY Awards. Although it is a sport-oriented award, it is not limited to sports-related people or actions, as it is presented annually to individuals whose contributions "transcend sports". Often these transcendent figures are also athletes who have been at the top of their sport, such as Mohammed Ali, Dean Smith, Cathy Freeman.

List of recipients
Year Recipients
1993 Jim Valvano (Award Video and Speech)
1994 Steve Palermo
1995 Howard Cosell
1996 Loretta Claiborne
1997 Muhammad Ali
1998 Dean Smith
1999 Billie Jean King
2000 Dave Sanders (posthumously)
2001 Cathy Freeman
2002 Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, Tom Burnett, and Jeremy Glick (posthumously)
2003 Pat Tillman and Kevin Tillman
2004 George Weah
2005 Emmanuel Ofosu Yeboah and Jim MacLaren
2006 Roia Ahmad and Shamila Kohestani
2007 Trevor Ringland and David Cullen from Peace Players International
2008 Tommie Smith and John Carlos
2009 Nelson Mandela
2010 Family of Ed Thomas
2011 Dewey Bozella
2012 Pat Summitt (Award Video and Speech)
2013 Robin Roberts
2014 Michael Sam
2015 Caitlyn Jenner

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825710, agreed but does that change ESPN's motivation? no. not at all
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-09-15 04:28 AM
Your position and Costas's and not entirely irreconcilable. To me it can be both, I can be happy Jenner is being honored but also acknowledge the less honorable side of the show. Let's put it this way, would they give an ACTIVE transgendered athlete this award? They have had opportunities and they have probably not even considered it. There would be controversy and a real face of someone who wasn't nearly as prominent or privileged. They wouldn't touch her with a 50-foot pole. Here they have someone who is safely removed from competition and a second-moment celebrity, so they are taking the low-hanging fruit. Think ESPN is progressive? LOL, look at the knuckle draggers they employ and pay the big bucks to.
12825728, so what?
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Jun-09-15 06:30 AM
12826307, So what=point taken in your language I am finding.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-09-15 01:51 PM
The question was "Is Costas right?"

Your answer was "No."

12826419, is English your 2nd language?
Posted by SoWhat, Tue Jun-09-15 02:51 PM
are you unfamiliar w/the phrase 'so what' when used as a question?

i don't really care.

let's get to it:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12825421&mesg_id=12825421&page=#12825468

12825440, Past winners include Robin Roberts, Nelson Mandela, & Billie Jean King
Posted by Call It Anything, Mon Jun-08-15 06:00 PM
Howard Cosell 10 years after he retired, Tommie Smith and John Carlos 40 years after they made waves, some guys who were on United 93.

There is a well-established history of this award going to people not "actively involved in sports".

Nobody gave any fucks about this award at any point in time over the last 20+ years. The fucks given have nothing to do with the actual award but what it is recognizing
12825443, Misogyny and transphobia disguised in paternalist concern for Caitlyn.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 06:04 PM
Caitlyn is a grown-ass woman who ain't stupid. If she feels exploited let her speak on it. Let her reject the award or use the platform to challenge ESPN. That's HER fight. She don't need her daddy coming her rescue in the form of Bob Costas or anyone allegedly objecting on her behalf for her own good. Like she doesn't know what's good for her on this issue.

As the fuck if!
12825445, Slightly better than misogyny and transphobia disguised as other things?
Posted by Call It Anything, Mon Jun-08-15 06:07 PM
I've seen people incorporate patriotism in some of their objections. That's good, right? They're not talking about how she shouldn't be celebrated, they just think that the REAL heroes should be celebrated first.
12825450, lol
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 06:09 PM
12825489, meta tag words for the win
Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Jun-08-15 06:31 PM
12825447, He must have been against Nelson Mandela winning it too.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-08-15 06:07 PM
Nelson Mandela winning the award was a cheap publicity push for the upcoming release of Invictus later that fall. Warner Brothers got a slew of free advertising and prestige for their big Clint-directed film, and ESPN got to exploitatively tie a worldwide hero loosely into its awards show for ratings. There were unquestionably people more directly tied to the world of sports than Mandela that year who deserved to be rewarded for courage.
12825459, Are you comparing Jenner to Mandela?
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:15 PM

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12825466, The comparison absolutely applies.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-08-15 06:19 PM
The question was if ESPN is exploiting the Cailtyn Jenner situation despite the fact that Jenner has been away from sports for a while.

Note that I didn't say no. I just said Costas must have been equally furious about the exploitation of Nelson Mandela, who was even *less* related to sports.

Or, you know, Costas is mad for a different reason. Those are really the only two options.
12825471, First Costas wasn't furious. So stop the exaggeration
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:23 PM
Nor was he mad. He just gave an opinion, so stop trying to add gas to a homemade fire.


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12825461, BRUCE aint done SHIT in SPORTS IN 40 YRS
Posted by LAbeathustla, Mon Jun-08-15 06:16 PM
GODDAM YES HES RIGHT..its bullshit...
12825469, Noah Galloway or Lauren Hill should have gotten the award.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:21 PM

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12825713, they usually give it to people like retired or facing a serious illness
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-09-15 04:36 AM
i gotta agree with call it anything above, though i agree with costas that espn is also just trying to ride this for a buck.
12826588, Killing brown people in the middle east aint a sport, either.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Tue Jun-09-15 04:14 PM
Well I mean...it is for some. But that's another topic.
12825462, he certainly earned your click
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-08-15 06:17 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12825464, Have you put up your Caitlyn Jenner poster yet?
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:18 PM




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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825500, I don't think about the kardashians as much as you do.
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-08-15 06:37 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12825519, That was weak.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:54 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825527, you made this post right?
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-08-15 07:09 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12825553, Are response is weak, but that's your nature.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 08:19 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825618, Yes, are response is weak, I concur.
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-08-15 10:06 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12825792, Be blessed.
Posted by Case_One, Tue Jun-09-15 08:09 AM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12826272, I am!
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Jun-09-15 01:35 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
12825468, EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM.
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-08-15 06:21 PM
It's all for publicity. Every last one. Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Tonys, and *especially* the Espys.

So anyone who complains about *this* award for *this* awards show *this* year for *this* recipient? Yeah, you're doing it for other reasons that aren't related to an award show. Period.
12825475, You have a point. But not all are doing it for the current media hype
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:25 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825494, HOLLAR.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 06:34 PM
12825523, Exactly
Posted by CaptNish, Mon Jun-08-15 07:00 PM
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12826164, RE: EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM.
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Jun-09-15 12:40 PM
>Yeah, you're doing it
>for other reasons that aren't related to an award show.
>Period.
12825508, Its a sports awards show..
Posted by neuro_OSX, Mon Jun-08-15 06:44 PM
Sports is pure entertainment, this is all entertainment. Caitlyn is pimping them out as well, with her reality show "I am Cait" coming out, mutual pimping going on, hahah
12825510, ^^ Sees It^^
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:44 PM

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12825509, i agree, espn is doing it for ratings. also, Jenner killed someone
Posted by Ill Jux, Mon Jun-08-15 06:44 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/entertainment/feat-bruce-jenner-car-accident-lawsuit/

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/01/bruce-jenner-crash-lawsuit-wrongful-death-car-accident-kim-howe/

Will this wrongful death lawsuit be mentioned at the espy's
12825515, If someone else has a pending murder case they wouldn't be invited
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 06:48 PM

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12825525, she doesn't have a pending murder case.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 07:02 PM
12825554, He's about to deal with case where he cause the death of a person.
Posted by Case_One, Mon Jun-08-15 08:21 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12825568, No charge has been filed.
Posted by SoWhat, Mon Jun-08-15 08:52 PM
12826590, The classic "Well, she aint no angel" reply. How CNN of you.
Posted by Brotha Sun, Tue Jun-09-15 04:15 PM
12825526, It's def a ratings thing, but most people complaining are full of shit
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Jun-08-15 07:03 PM
There may very well be people more deserving like Lauren Hill, but if this award wasn't going to Jenner and just some other person who's not a big news story, most people wouldn't give a shit about her not winning, or even notice.

it reminds me of Obama winning the nobel peace prize. even if he wasn't deserving of it, people only actually cared about in in the context of 'fuck him'
12825528, Yup. .
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jun-08-15 07:14 PM
>There may very well be people more deserving like Lauren
>Hill, but if this award wasn't going to Jenner and just some
>other person who's not a big news story, most people wouldn't
>give a shit about her not winning, or even notice.
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>it reminds me of Obama winning the nobel peace prize. even if
>he wasn't deserving of it, people only actually cared about in
>in the context of 'fuck him'
12825530, Cotdamn, right....I made a RIP post about Lauren Hill in OKS...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-08-15 07:20 PM
and it got like 4 replies. But the Caitlyn Jenner cover shoot post went triple plat...mostly by bammas disgusted by it.
12826250, yeah. I'll admit I had no clue who she was before this award thing
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Jun-09-15 01:27 PM
i think it's great that people are recognizing her, but if people really want to honor the memory of this amazing girl who they didn't hear of until last thursday, they should do what they can to get behind her cause instead of just bitching about bruce jenner. I don't know much about Lauren Hill, but i doubt her goal had anything to do with becomeing meme for tearing down another human being.
12826415, But ESPN has been all over the Lauren Hill story for months
Posted by Case_One, Tue Jun-09-15 02:48 PM

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."
12826584, have you ever cared before about who didn't win the courage award?
Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Jun-09-15 04:11 PM
12826633, This question will likely go unanswered.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Jun-09-15 04:47 PM
Mostly because the answer is apparent.
12825617, the Michael Sam Story could get some award as well
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Mon Jun-08-15 10:04 PM
so much politics involved.
12825715, it could but they dont want to piss of the NFL and it's messy
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-09-15 04:37 AM
if he would have become a big ass star, they would have felt both pressure and impetus to consider him. as it i bet he didnt get a look
12825748, He got the award last year
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Tue Jun-09-15 07:10 AM
12825749, Both parties got press for upcoming things. Fair exchange ain't robbery
Posted by Garhart Poppwell, Tue Jun-09-15 07:11 AM
No message
12826174, Of course mouth breathers like you would be sad about this lol
Posted by Amritsar, Tue Jun-09-15 12:46 PM
In yiur opinion, Will we ever go back to a time when this kind of stuff was frowned upon?

Or are you destined to take L after L the rest of your life? Lmao
12826628, ^^ Looking for attention,
Posted by Case_One, Tue Jun-09-15 04:44 PM
Have a hug

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