https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ

Can't wait to read the absolutely wrong theories and think pieces for this season.

Plot for this season according to the press release:

"A bizarre murder brings together three law-enforcement officers and a career criminal, each of whom must navigate a web of conspiracy and betrayal in the scorched landscapes of California. Colin Farrell is Ray Velcoro, a compromised detective in the all-industrial City of Vinci, LA County. Vince Vaughn plays Frank Semyon, a criminal and entrepreneur in danger of losing his life’s work, while his wife and closest ally (Kelly Reilly), struggles with his choices and her own. Rachel McAdams is Ani Bezzerides, a Ventura County Sheriff’s detective often at odds with the system she serves, while Taylor Kitsch plays Paul Woodrugh, a war veteran and motorcycle cop for the California Highway Patrol who discovers a crime scene which triggers an investigation involving three law enforcement groups, multiple criminal collusions, and billions of dollars."

and not overexplain the show and we can just watch it and enjoy it so folks aren't looking for yellow crowns in the background.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

We already in the zone...

cant wait though

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OfU7CGY5DQ
>
>Can't wait to read the absolutely wrong theories and think
>pieces for this season.
>

also interested to see if Colin Ferrell, who has limited acting chops IMO, can put together a strong performance.

One of those pretty boys who always gets discounted because of their looks is actually a strong actor. I forget which one.

Nevermind.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I'm there...

but i'm peeping regardless bc i liked last season a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYBMqqKYq78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFC3ec1tI0Q

But compared to mcconaughey and harrelson I'm not sure these guys can measure up


*who am I'm kidding I'm still geeked as shit for this season

i dont think ill be able to sit through this season looking at his face.

The first episode of last season pulled me in right away. Rust & Marty jumped right into the investigation and we got to know them as we went along. Watching those two bounce off each other was great as we headed unto the darkness and layers start to come off in their personal lives and the case itself.

Here I got the point of it in the first fifteen minutes that these are broken, fucked up people and wanted the story to start after a while which it didn't until the last two minuted. I felt I was being beat over the head and preached at at the same time.

And next week's doesn't look to get any better...

the case was presented throughout the ep turning from missing person into official murder and all the different detectives were intro'd with them finally being brought together at the end. we got to see how diffucult this mystery might be considering how messed up the detectives are as ppl

they couldnt (and shouldnt have) done it the same way they did last season because they want to give something relatively fresh this season

i was fine with it and looking forward to the rest of the season

Cats who love noir stuff like me said they had a hard time getting through it as well.

I'm trying to imagine the complaints with the first episode.

too much action?
Not enough still shots?
People doing shit?

It took too long to get going in my opinion and watching it again, I realize that's due to having four main characters (five if you include Kelly Reilly who plays the wife) and tying them into this kidnapping that became a murder.

Honestly I feel like this was too unweildly, but I'm interested now in seeing how they all tie together and where they end up.

>the case was presented throughout the ep turning from missing
>person into official murder and all the different detectives
>were intro'd with them finally being brought together at the
>end. we got to see how diffucult this mystery might be
>considering how messed up the detectives are as ppl
>
>they couldnt (and shouldnt have) done it the same way they did
>last season because they want to give something relatively
>fresh this season
>
>i was fine with it and looking forward to the rest of the
>season

It shared a lot of DNA with Chinatown and L.A. Confidential.

It's not going to be 'The Adventures of Rusty Cohl and the Kingdom of Carcosa!'

It looks like it's going to be a deep dark bloody noir in a rust-collared shithole in California nobody gives a damn about.

Four toxic lives circling the drain around a murder no one gives a shit about.

Or does it?

The biggest and only misstep is that the first season had sympathetic victims. I don't think this one is going to let the audience be that lucky, and that's going to impact viewership.

But I'm down for episode two.

I wanted the show to keep going.

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You cannot hate people for their own good.

I knew the old dead guy in the car was Caspar

not much of a cliff hanger really

but the acting

the acting just didn't translate like season 1

maybe it was the interview nature of season 1

that relied more on the actors

but I'm pretty much not buying any of the actors in their roles

Vince as a gangster reminds of him in Starsky and Hutch

Rachel McAdams character should be a lesbian

the motorcycle dude is just not a good actor.

Colin as a cop <-- seen it.

maybe they're trying too much with developing 4 characters

BEFORE THE PLOT IS FULLY DEVELOPED

just didn't have the impact that season 1 did.

it didn't smash the way season 1 did, but i think by episode 3 or 4 this will be REALLY good.

i think that people that LOVED the whole cryptic, mega-mystery steeze of season 1 and want that to be repeated, are going to be wildly disappointed and may want to check out now.

i've heard from multiple outlets that have seen the first 3 eps and they all say this is a much more straightforward cop show this season, but that it's pretty well done and ends up being really enjoyable.

While this season premiere was very different than season 1, I found it to be equally good.

One quick question, was the waitress at the bar with the cut up face the missing sister that we learned about earlier when Elvis and Antigone were serving the eviction notice?

Like Missing sister was
motorcycle cops Bae

I loved the first season of True Detective but the ending was a major let down.

it took a while for last season to pull me in. McConaughey's acting carried it for me until I was interested around episode 3 or 4. This one grabbed me right away.

I liked the slow burn feel of the first season, but it was rough for a couple of people I tried to recommend it to. So, that aspect was better...well, maybe not better, but different. I'm in enough to see where this season is going.

end of that first ep is what saved it for me and had me wanting more

I think the writers know they don't have the talent acting wise they had last season and are trying to grab ppl early on

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with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

and almost every other tv show out now. although i am excited about "mr. robot" and I enjoyed the first episode because it reminds me of my girlfriends brother

Viagra on the way over to her house?

but damn if you're straight, and you need a pill for her you got some problems.

>Viagra on the way over to her house?
>
>but damn if you're straight, and you need a pill for her you
>got some problems.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

are...like as great as they are as actors, those 2 together is hard to dislike. These guys could be doing the voices for the new Peanuts movie and people would over analyze it LOL

Season 2 and beyond will always be hard to find a pairing that could even come close to the acting/chemistry those 2 guys have. I can listen to a 3 hours podcast of those 2 guys talking about mashed potatoes.

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I think the writers were trying to prove the content is so good they could have less talented actors and still produce an awesome show

because all he was doing was rom coms

before his 2013-14 run

I don't remember him being heralded for his acting performances before then

i always thought he did rom coms cause it's a bgger genre with constant gigs...

throughout the series run

>before it was explained he was a child of rape etc

Like he can have any scrubs on his team and still win (through gritty writing, eerie scenery/music, and chilling camera angles). I'll be surprised if Vince Vaughn pulls this off.

to be a gangsta talking about IVF?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

with the exception of the laughably corny "casper!" glass-throwing moment of anger, for which director and writer deserve equal credit, i like him

>with the exception of the laughably corny "casper!"
>glass-throwing moment of anger, for which director and writer
>deserve equal credit, i like him

YES ans YES....i watched that scene like "please don't do ANYTHING destructive"....really corny...

...in fact, the scene in the bar with Farell, was really great from him, as was EVERY scene except the one with the glass

n/m

acting is flat across the board, farrel is the only lead really doing anything special at this point imo

s1 copycat choices screamingly obvious and less effective

acting down a half notch, but i mean who can fault that

still fun overall, i'll be watching faithfully

i have a feeling when it's all done it will be a serious piece of work when binge watched as a long film. a piece worth watching, with some meat on it

but as a series it's just not working. i can't say i dislike it, because i recognize it's quality

but i can't say i think it's great

in fact i think it has some big flaws

just the right side of interesting, but not enough, and just the wrong side of boring, but not too much

Not a dull moment.

And that cliffhanger is crazy. I'd actually liked it more if they pulled a Game Of Thrones and ole boy was marked.

be soft. Still his character isn't coming together for me.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

I keep waiting for him to tell a joke. Can't tell if he's serious in all these scenes.

this fierce thug who is trying his best to go legit and he himself gets suckered and is feeling the pull back in.

But he just comes off as Old School Vince Vaughn trying to act really seriously.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

ambient1 below is spot-fucking on

All the relationships and personal damage were laid out so much better this episode -- implied, not explicit.

This thing has James Ellroy's dick-prints all over, by the way. It feels way too much like "Black Dahlia" (the book, not the abortion they called a 'film adaptation').

I like it a lot. This part of California feels cancerous, metastasizing. The beauty is just stripped the fuck out of it, and at night, it looks like Blade Runner's retarded step-brother. It's this vast ugly sprawling thing with these terminally damaged little bastards running around, wrestling with their ruinous families and amputated sex lives.

Vince Vaughan isn't terrible. I think he shined best not when he was talking about his nightmares -- which was a great monolog, by the way -- but when he ran up to that guy and fast-talked him after the beat-down. That's the Vince Vaughan I could believably accept clawed his way to the top of a rusted shit-heap. The suit and tie thing feels totally awkward.

but when he ran up to that guy and
>fast-talked him after the beat-down. That's the Vince Vaughan
>I could believably accept clawed his way to the top of a
>rusted shit-heap. The suit and tie thing feels totally
>awkward.




I will admit that they have done a cool job with the landscape though.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

was really all that was needed

and it would be a cool nuance for a show really

never air espisode 1

give a glimpse of the ENTIRE backstory, ala the opening credits for episode 2

we can pretty much fill in the rest based on the following episodes

and for those who can't, or just want confirmation

you build a demand for 'lost tapes'

but yeah, episode 1 felt like a group meeting with name tags

hi, my name is (c)

it seemed to fit better then than summer viewing. Plus, it filled a gap for me once football season ended.

no other show the have right now is "event" tv, GoT and TruDetec are the only two currently

I think that's kind of disappointing to find out with regards to Nic Pizzolatto as a writer.

I dig it a bit as a stylistic choice and It was perfect for McConaughey but it wears a bit thin when you have everyone talking that way.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

almost all the characters in this season don't do that...

vince has a few dope monologues but he's also the most high-achieving out of them...he's an extremely complex and intelligent alpha with a past so flea-ridden...it's gotta lead to some of that

but other than him...who are u talking about?

cause everyone else is pretty straightforward and simple

character

gotta say im not looking forward to this show with the other two as the lead detectives

you don't shoot a guy with a shotgun that close without guts and blood everywhere unless it was a hunting rifle.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oPSvjP-X--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/1318087947975668883.jpg

I get it if we are talking about his most recent film releases....But I think dude has been better than expected so far on True Detective...Especially in the second episode (that bedroom scene where he was talking to his old lady about the abuse he went through as a kid was quite heavy....)

Overall I'm digging this installment of True Detective....That last episode had me STUCK....That was some bold shit....

Shit is coming to a head so quickly.

The bosses are only interested in taking out each other instead of solving case.

This is pitch black noir. These past two episodes have been top notch b.

the "it's not my department" guy

He's barely controllable to me.

just the editing of it. like it came out of a Funny or Die skit paying homage to weird 80s action movie scenes. just holding his hand out like "pliers guy, you're needed."


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the way they squared up though felt like it was out of an old Knight Rider episode...i was hoping he would just go off on dude and destroy him out of the blue. Not say "uhhh put 'em up see...put 'em up!"

The story and characters feel like they're lifted directly from James Ellroy's 'Black Dahlia'.

Taylor Kitsch's whole closeted homophobe shtick, the dirty cop seeking redemption, the tightly wound detective just looking to pop off.

I like it.

I like the show a lot.

California is this sepia-tinted, rusting suburban nightmare; the characters are all incredibly, horribly burnt shells of human beings; and the crooks seem a lot more competent than the cops. I like the acting, and seeing Collin Farell occupy this wrecked shell of a man is great. And Vince Vaughn is good -- I don't care what anyone says, he conveys so much ontological angst and self-doubt, I almost want to hug the poor bastard. Part of him really doesn't believe anything around him is real, that he's still trapped in that basement. And that last scene where he walks home with a pocket full of teeth, and looks out the corner of his eye at his wife, who he's not quite sure he can trust -- if she's even really there at all -- was good. Better, even, then when he goes in with the pliers.

But I kind of hate that I feel like he pickpocketed James Elroy's characters.

I'm still all in.

But now I have reservations.

That ain't Vince's fault. Gangsta's dropping dialogue like that will make anyone seem misplaced.

The fight seen was goofy though. As the scene was set up I was like "Ok, here is the chance to see how VV works as a bawse".

If he pulled out a gun and just casually murked him I think I could have bought that.

The fight and the dude handing him the plyers like they had practice that ish was goofy.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

Opening sequence in the lounge with the singer??!? Salute David Lynch.

The visit to the Mayor's mansion? Awesome sauce.

I've never seen Gotham, but this is exactly what I imagine a corrupt ass Gotham City Mayor to be like. Like crooked ass shit and not even hiding it.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

it's growing on me more and more each week.

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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

there's just WAY WAY WAY TOO much going on with the storyline

the homosexual blackwater op turned cop struggling with his identity back home

rinse wash and repeat for the female lead detective struggling with her female identity in a male dominated industry + a public family background immersed in what feels like cult teachings

I could literally type paragraphs for each character presented

in just 3 episodes

the homie should have stuck to the structure of season 1

and developed a couple of these characters

but a handful of characters + a handful of simultaneous plots

it's just WAY TOO MUCH IMO

I would have trimmed it down to the lead investigators and the mayor as the focal points

Rachel, Colin and the Vinci Mayor

all of this other BS; Casper, Vince Vaughn, Gay Cop, the Russians, etc...

only exist in the context of supporting the story which should be in the foreground

government corruption.

for instance, we have an entire team of investigators assigned to this case

= the wire

we saw those characters developed over SEASONS

it's just too much to develop in 10-12 episodes, IMO.

literally, pick a character that's been presented to date

and you could write an entire season on just the issues presented in that character

congrats on creating the all-star lineup of flawed people

>it's just too much to develop in 10-12 episodes, IMO.

and theres only 8 episodes

i think gay vet motorcycle cop could have been left out

but maybe they'll tie it all together in a way im not seeing yet

Too much "wait, what?" happening instead of just getting absorbed in the show like I did in season 1. I'm constantly trying to figure out what's happening, and not in a good way.

there are multiple writers this season, while Nic Pizzolatto wrote the first season by himself. Could be the case there are too many cooks in the kitchen this go around.

I have the horrible feeling that I won't care who the killer is this season because so far I don't care about any of the characters so far. Too many main characters this season and some of the writing has been beyond horrible to me.

>there are multiple writers this season, while Nic Pizzolatto
>wrote the first season by himself. Could be the case there are
>too many cooks in the kitchen this go around.
>
>I have the horrible feeling that I won't care who the killer
>is this season because so far I don't care about any of the
>characters so far. Too many main characters this season and
>some of the writing has been beyond horrible to me.

Cotdamn...

And McAdams get blackballed.

Kitsch hounded by the media.

Shit...

That shit was nuts. Heads exploding...Bodies dropping...I was on the edge of my seat...

mad pedestrians got hit. looking forward to the fall out in next episode

The shoutout saved this ep for me and literally woke me up, it was intense

let's huddle up in this alley

and then walk down the middle of the street to kick in a door

WTF

I nearly pissed myself watching Colin and McAdams try to convince us they've shot a gun before

Rachel couldn't even aim the gun above her shoulder @ 5 min

unless she was trying to shoot her feet or a body already on the ground

and Colin looked like that gun was kicking his ass @ 1:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AyMkoyiFM

LOL@running down a moving vehicle

top speed on foot might be 10-15mph

but the getaway driver never puts any distance between them

and then of course, hits a bus

you've got about 5-6 people standing within 20 feet of each other

= nobody getting hit

c'mon

that whole f'n scene was unbelievable

I only bought motorcycle cop during that whole exchange

but to add onto my critique of doing too much

the homie gets shot in the head

and I didn't even wince or care.

at this point, the show's more entertaining for how bad it is

>Rachel couldn't even aim the gun above her shoulder
>

this was the main thing i noticed...that shit had a permanent tilt towards the ground

>unless she was trying to shoot her feet or a body already on
>the ground
>
>and Colin looked like that gun was kicking his ass
>

I assumed that was bc of the ribs

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_AyMkoyiFM
>
>but to add onto my critique of doing too much
>
>the homie gets shot in the head
>
>and I didn't even wince or care.

u weren't supposed to care about Captain I-dont-give-a-fuck

the reason for the walk is often about location...walking and alleys are used to prevent lookouts from giving enough notice for suspects to escape

they needed way more backup and had zero idea that shit was about to be that live

huddle, break

stroll down the middle of the street

c'mon

if they had any creep they'd at least stay as close to the building as they can for cover

and put a little urgency in their approach, no?

but of course, none of that would allow for the shootout scene, right?

I'll give you the broken ribs

but that reinforces my issue with doing too much

= I forgot he got shot

But that's how the show wanted it to come across....

It's obvious that it was a botched raid....I mean the primary characters just thought it would be a routine knock and grab ...They didn't even call for back up....

There were a string of fuck ups made. And it was all by design to underline how the main characters are so wrapped up in their own baggage, issues and bullshit that they forgot that even the most mundane task (remember, they were just questioning a "guy" who happened to be in a pawn shop video that they were desperate to connect with Caspere) could produce epic clusterfucks...

Hell, I even think there's a mole in that department...Someone who tipped that gang in that building off that they were going to be raided....

Nothing in this show is what it seems....Like the fact that the entire raid was a set up from the beginning....

you aint about to be military walk/running for 7 blocks in no industrial area like that lol

the alley they came out of was damn near 3 blocks away from where they wanted to go...

they were not expecting Fallujah out that bitch...them niggas had several armed men with full-automatic weapons in adjoining buildings

the few precautions they took was to avoid a chase...not to enhance their chances in a mexican standoff lol

that shit was mad glaring

like...did yall not give her enough notice notice to go take a few lara croft fucking classes

but everything else...i was cool with...i was surprised they even went with as many people as they did which was illustrated by old boy asking "you sure we need all this manpower?"

she had requested more and pretty much got put on the waiting list

>Hell, I even think there's a mole in that department...Someone who tipped that gang in that building off that they were going to be raided....

I immediately had that thought when old boy popped up in the window and started busting at them.

>but to add onto my critique of doing too much
>
>the homie gets shot in the head
>
>and I didn't even wince or care.


I was surprised the drunk fat detective got shot if only because I wanted to know definitively why he was following Kitch's character around. Now I have to assume the crooked mayor told him to because as lazy as he seems, couldn't have been something he wanted to do so on him lonesome.

I fell asleep and didn't see the shootout/raid scene and thought you were being extra but the whole time I was thinking "this nigga ain't lying"

they walked up up the street like it was West Side Story

they thought it was going to be a routine arrest...they didn't think they were walking into a war zone. If it wasn't for McAdams it would've been 2-4 cops walking up in there knocking on the door.

it did seem odd though cause it was broad daylight and they were just walking down the street...at least try to be discreet.

still, a lot of overt signals that we're going to be delving into a ring of horrendous abuse and high-level OTO type craft -- i.e. "my ascension removes me from the disc and loop" (Form & Void final episode - season 1)

City of Vinci? Lux adorned by Horns? Merovingian mansion?

I appreciate the attempt this show has to depicting OTO craft, but it's in danger of just superficially delving into the occult (like so many other shows/movies) - and you can't just flirt w/ such a topic on a cursory level if you are to do it justice.

The intensity remains as it did from season 1 - just hoping some of these plots start to coalesce soon.

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it's not like it's a documentary and I think the characters are the main focus of the show

rather than the characters

the characters have mostly come in damn near fully developed...

it's the plot that is unraveling in ways most unsuspected

why?

that shit was definitely humorous but made perfect sense as far as how they are presenting Vince so far...

old school aspiring crooked entreprenuer with a deep dark past of running low level shit in a shitty fucking city

that shit was classic lion cub getting his ass beat by the over the hill lion...and it was clearly on old ass lion's terms...the end result made it even more clear why

that shit was so perfect in fleshing him out...bc they had been mostly presenting him as how he wanted to be rather than what he actually was until then

he's cerebral reluctant fucking bully

crazy shit that doesn't resemble anything like realistic fights. That was a middle age man that is pretty tough but past his prime, taking out a loudmouth dude that isn't soft but isn't that tough either.

@rob_starrk

the mexican guy they were goin after came from

basically ...i'm lost lol

pawning someone shit

u gotta peep the pattern

remember dude tried to pin the car theft on the mexican dude who used to work for the company that owned it...

makes sense he would sell a few valuables for cheap to some other immigrant criminals for another misdirection

Colin seems to be the only one paying close enough attention so far

The beginning tho

that's the mysterious part

it could be related to Vince Vaughn's money (likely at least partially), his own perversions, the copious amounts of other city corruption...or something that hasn't been revealed yet

i do think it's interesting that they are trying like hell to pin it on the "mexicans" though

that town is a rusting cesspool though

i need to rewatch all the eps cause there's stuff i missed or forgot

basically...the car used to transport Caspere to his final destination belonged to the movie production company that he used to like to rub elbows with and have his lil sex parties around

they asked about the stolen car...learned a driver quit a couple weeks back...went to question him

the assumed killer was there at the same time setting the car on fire in what looks like an attempt to steer the police to the person they were there to question in the first place

so the car theft got steered to a Mexican...then the pawned jewels got steered to the guys responsible for the shootout

so whoever is doing all of this appears to be very familiar with Caspere's doings but also the cities/police and they are throwing them misdirection after misdirection

damn i need to just start the season over

I'm like gumz I need to watch eps 2-4 again

I haven't given up on it, just every episode is a fight to stay awake.

They be mad as shit when they have action but let it be whispers and glares for 20 minutes straight. MASTERPIECE THEATRE!!!




I fell asleep again last night.. wife had to wake me up before the shootout.

VV is just awful and the writing is bad
the shoot out was the most interesting thing, everything else is pretty bleh

This shit had a lot of changes and revelations tonight. Biggest of all us Frank lying/fucking over Ray.

That shootout ended badly for all them as far as blowback goes.

These cats are gonna get seriously fucked over by courrpt system b.

>This shit had a lot of changes and revelations tonight.
>Biggest of all us Frank lying/fucking over Ray.
>
>That shootout ended badly for all them as far as blowback
>goes.
>
>These cats are gonna get seriously fucked over by courrpt
>system b.

This^^^^^^

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/19/9000387/true-detective-shootout-season-2-lame

if you don't want to click and read, allow me to summarize

the plea cop, wait until episode X, that's when it gets good

is as close as you can get to saying, it's bad.

The thing is the first seasons actors are hard shoes to fill. Not just acting wise, but status wise. If season 2 was actually the first season and they followed up with Woody and Mr Alright Alright nobody would be saying shit all they would be doing is saying how they kept stepping it up. I don't think this season is a step down other than movie star wise. Pretending that doesn't play a factor u are just fooling yourself.
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its marginally better
getting accustomed to the music

at least i have taylor's face to alleviate all the grimness and zzzz

i'm trying to care
i really don't care about vince's whole situation

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Fucked me up b.

And yo the Mexicans gotta be in on it cause killing that girl cause she talked to cops seemed like bullshit.

when he saw that the mexicans killed the girl and still demand that he hold up his part of the club deal

Frank ain't no gangster, he's just a rest haven for hoes (c)

The camera work in the orgy party was gangster tho, and Ani killed it (literally and figuratively)

I would've murked the shit out of them Mexicans. I don't care if I start a war or not. Somebody gotta pay for that shit. They straight up disrespected the fuck outta him and he rolled over and took it.

they were outnumbered and outgunned...i'll be amazed if Frank doesn't do anything at all though. he's def not going to honor that deal. he also realized he underestimated them by kicking them out of the club. he needs to look into them before acting...that's the real gangster move to make.

and turn them offer to the cops to get them off his back.

And by gangsta move I mean what an actual modern criminal would do.


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He realized he fucked up in his handling of that situation and began thinking about what to do next. That's the *smart* gangster thing to do.

Especially the last 10 minutes......That orgy fight...CRAZY....

Still trying to convince myself to take Vince seriously in his role, though. He's def. the week link in all this....

Nobody else in the party seemed to be having those reactions. Then simply by throwing up she's magically fine...immediately. So cliche how TV shows portray being high like every drug including marijuana is like LSD or some shit. Kind of lazy....

why is she the only one trippin off the shit...her and the one girl she went in to save. that made no sense.

... and she isn't used to being high at all, I don't think it's too far from the realm of the possible to say that she could have a negative reaction and it could stir up negative imagery from her past.

And I also didn't get that she was 100% better once she puked, she was still stumbling around and struggling big time. She just had a task she was hellbent to accomplish, and the director focused us on that instead of on her POV.

>... and she isn't used to being high at all, I don't think
>it's too far from the realm of the possible to say that she
>could have a negative reaction and it could stir up negative
>imagery from her past.
>
>And I also didn't get that she was 100% better once she puked,
>she was still stumbling around and struggling big time. She
>just had a task she was hellbent to accomplish, and the
>director focused us on that instead of on her POV.



I agree with all this^^^^^^

There's real criticism to be thrown at True Detective....Ol' girl's reaction to Molly (as a first time user) and how she reacted to it after she threw up (she was still staggering and obviously woozy) should not be in that conversation....

I have more of an issue with Vince Vaughn being blown off the screen whenever he goes toe to toe with a good actor (and some of the side-eye worthy dialogue that's been written for him) than anything else....

that shit was horrendous lol

While everything else is a huge weakness. And I mean everything. From dialogue to the majority of the cast. To subplots.

>While everything else is a huge weakness. And I mean
>everything. From dialogue to the majority of the cast. To
>subplots.


U right on Colin. But Vince, at times, has been borderline suspect....I was one of the folks that was taking up for him early on. That scene when he was telling his wife about his dark energy remains his BEST moment on screen....

But beyond that the dialogue for Vince has been pretty questionable (that "blue balls in the heart" line was laughable....) and when he hits the screen with Colin he comes off as very lightweight....In fact, the main female role and the ex biker cop have been A LOT more watchable than Vince....

Mostly it's the dialogue coming out of Vince's mouth that's been bugging me.

It's so on the nose and just ridiculous when you hear the words come out of their mouths.

>It's so on the nose and just ridiculous when you hear the
>words come out of their mouths.


Right?.....I'm like, "Why do they have that man talking like THAT..." lol

I was with Vince during his childhood talk with wifey and that fight scene with dude with the grills. Hell, I liked him when he was at the bakery flexing his mojo....But for the most part, u are dead on about Vince's dialogue....Shit seems like it was written by a novice in film school....

But I fucks with McAdams...I fuck with Colin and the other kid...They r the strong links....

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the gay cop is close but nah

She's been doing good work the whole series and last night really showed out...

10 mins of sweaty knife practice undoubtedly leads to her knifing people.

Shit like that.

Her character is second goofiest to black out gay and ptsd Taylor Kitsch.

This being his best work ever
Yall have low expectations
On the other hand Kitsch and McAdams are showing they are better than the material they've been handed
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Swingers or the break up

Good luck with any of it frankly
LOL @ Vince being the strength of anything

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http://youtu.be/3NItT8vlq3I

I was literally howling when Marty first shifted in his chair and grimaced after watching Vince Vaughn.

...cause he had the most to lose. Also, that line about being a good man. And the hopeful/suspenseful slow mo jog. At least he doesn't have to live a lie.

But yo these niggas dove deeper into the rabbit hole and got buried in a world of shit.

The "romance" shit between Ani & Ray could've gone, but yo solid episode.

>...cause he had the most to lose. Also, that line about being
>a good man. And the hopeful/suspenseful slow mo jog. At least
>he doesn't have to live a lie.
>
>But yo these niggas dove deeper into the rabbit hole and got
>buried in a world of shit.
>
>The "romance" shit between Ani & Ray could've gone, but yo
>solid episode.


Very solid episode....And for once Vince was believable as Dat Gangsta...

I knew if they included a scene after he climbed the ladder hed be killed. Once they cut back to him it was over. Despite the hate, he was actually one of my fav characters this season.

Who knows. It wasn't a head shot, so he could make it, but it doesn't look likely.

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how da hell did dude know he would come out of that door? seemed like they were in a giant building/complex with several exits.

>how da hell did dude know he would come out of that door?
>seemed like they were in a giant building/complex with several
>exits.

That door was his responsibility.

it's a minor gripe though, doesn't really matter

to his character, and I hate that they made his gayness this sword of Damocles hanging over his head all season, and then didn't really use it in any exciting way (even though they clearly tied to use it that way.)

guy was just as cold to him as he'd been to guy, but you could tell it was the only truly passionate relationship in either of their lives. they didn't make a big deal out of it, but I could feel his pain not necessarily at the betrayal, but basically using the one person he truly had feelings for's head as a bullet sponge.

the last time they embraced was on the field of battle, and in a sense one taking a bullet for the other.

I think it was also a little poetic that he was told to just be himself and everything would be fine, and I bought him more in his moment of betraying Ray and Ani than I did when he tried to escape. if he'd have sold them out, he'd have been fine and got to go on faking his life with his fiancé. but in another sense, being himself meant entering a combat scenario and finding his self worth the only way he knew how.

overall it was a hamfisted character, as has been much of this show, but given that's been this season's (and some would say show's) entire M.O. I'm willing to look past that and I found a lot to appreciate about that character, especially his final moments, he was a conflicted character, but his disdain for and passion for conflict was ultimately what made him watchable, and I think Kitsch wore it well (it was similar to his role as Riggins, a guy who seemed built for only football but tried to dream of bigger things).

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don't you do it
walk away dude
walk away!

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compelling and nuanced. Plus, I will take the overwrought dialogue from this season over vapid McCounaghey's any day of the week. At least it is distributed among the cast. Plus, I feel like McCounaghey's character is for dudes who love the most interesting man in the world commercials. Any who, we have the television that we deserve.

>compelling and nuanced. Plus, I will take the overwrought
>dialogue from this season over vapid McCounaghey's any day of
>the week. At least it is distributed among the cast. Plus, I
>feel like McCounaghey's character is for dudes who love the
>most interesting man in the world commercials. Any who, we
>have the television that we deserve.

don't have much to argue about here

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sad to see dude go

but i couldn't see them resolving his particular problem quickly

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only to have it be used for half-assed blackmail...disappointing. he went out like a soldier though which is dope.

>only to have it be used for half-assed
>blackmail...disappointing. he went out like a soldier though
>which is dope.

this writer likes to do thing like that though

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So the first episode and last were complete trash.

Even at it's strongest, this season is not touching last season period.

At least episodes 2-7 were good.

But fuck that wasn't worth it.

I supported this season along the way but now looking back, it really was a let down. I hate to agree with all the negative people from before but that finale just wasnt very good at all.

Yeah...this is where I am with this..."good" episode. tied up the loose ends and had a nice curve pitch....

what happened? biggest season 2 disappointment in like forever.

Called it from season 1
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could have done so great with the first season. I think the answer is Woody and Matthew.

Here you saw that dude couldn't cover basic storytelling.



>Called it from season 1
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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

everybody except for the writer did their jobs above excellence
and the writer was average then
now he's just a piss poor excuse of a writer with a clearly weaker team
he likely tried to take all the credit for last season
and this is the result of him taking control
hes fucking clueless

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is that last year Pizzolatto wrote the show by himself last year and for the second season, he wrote the show with a room of writers. Could be the instance there were too many cooks in the kitchen in terms of writing the show.

>is that last year Pizzolatto wrote the show by himself last
>year and for the second season, he wrote the show with a room
>of writers. Could be the instance there were too many cooks in
>the kitchen in terms of writing the show.

last season the writing the weakest element of the show
this season he's the head writer which gives him more control
and this is what he did with it
he can't write worth a damn
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The inferior writing and Taylor Kitch's acting were sore spots for me this season. However, Pizzolatto did a great job with the first season, in particular with the dialog. To completely write him off as not having any talent isn't fair at all to me.

if anything, all the horseshit McConnehey was saying in season one was quoted all over the internet, and only a few people said 'this is second year college existentialism' which by the way, is quite okay as police dialogue in my book.

If his writing was bad last season, no one called hi on it, because it isn't bad writing. The problem is that he attributed dreamy, philosophical themes to police officers. I think people excused that disconnect in tone because the show was presenting itself as fantasy fiction, the yellow king and the symbols and all that.

That type of dialogue doesn't work in season two which is presenting itself as a hard boiled detective noir. I mean the mythology here is that rich people have orgies, which is what poor people do if you run in the right circles, so ham-fisted, navel gazing monologues feel clunky here.

I think he' a good writer, h just needs direction. I mean can you imagine what he could do with the british child abuse scandal? His style would benefit that story, not some land-grab-deal-gone-wrong story.

felt imported from a different show at times. didn't feel one moment of unintentional comedy and it kept me on my toes the whole time, I really wasn't sure if Ray or Frank weren't going to make it until Ray made that phone call from the highway. Wasn't sure Frank was dead until he got shanked, honestly. Loved all his final scenes. Was legitimately nervous as hell for Ray when his car got tagged.

Episode felt the most like something helicopter'd in from last season, which is maybe why I'm shocked to see such negative (if limited) response to this episode on these boards so far. I'm fully pleased with this season. It made me laugh for the wrong reasons and it was much sloppier than last year, but I dug the world and the performances and have left the season much more positive about it than I was after the first two episodes.

I didn't watch the whole season due to any prestige factor, it was legitimately entertaining. I bowed out of The Leftovers after four episodes because I was bored. I'm not sure why anyone who felt that way about this season stuck around through the whole thing, it was pretty obvious what this season was going to be from the jump. That it got better with each episode is a bit of a miracle, but maybe that's the trouble with essentially rebooting a known quality each time around.

Definitely excited to see what gets remixed for season 3.

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I am shocked at how bad this ep. is getting shit on... 1 of the funniest complaints are "they waited til the end to explain things" like the importance of a character like Felicia... yet if they never explained her people would be shitting on them for that... I was fully emotionally invested into CF and VV to the end like you

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It seemed like McAdams was going to be the deviation from his standard nagging wife supporting female characters but by the end of the story he put McAdams in the exact same position as this serious nagging wife by having her being shipped off and trying to dissuade the dude from fighting the fight he has to fight.



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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

so a group i'm in on FB a dude wrote this last week:

"How nice for Nic 'Deep Dish' Pizzolatto to go from season 1, where there were hardly any female characters (and when they were present they were weak, uninspired, hollow shells and side pieces in more than one way) to this season where there is one female lead who is sexually abused, overly cartoonish, and essentially just a reverse Caitlyn Jenner.

All the surrounding women are prostitutes, orgy participants, murder and/or rape victims, or total bitches. One even literally said the words, "Everything is fucking." I don't know that "misogynistic" is the right word because I fancy myself a misogynist and I don't want to be compared to this idiot-face but he's certainly obtuse and out of his element. Stick to writing scripts with a Glengarry Glen Ross type of cast. Or better yet, just go back to jerking off and let someone with talent write the third season of this show."




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I feel like sooo much of this Season I've seen in other places (namely LA COnfidential) and I was wondering if Nic Pizzolatto ripped off a few major works LA Confidential, Chinatown, Miller's Crossing) OR if there are some themes so common in Noir works that you are bound to see them alot.

I mean some stuff is very generic and I am sure are common themes: Reopening a case that everyone thought was solved (LA COnfidential). Pulling off the heist and having a clean getaway available but blowing in by going back to do one last thing (Heat). Being lead out into the woods you dreamed you would be murdered (Miller's Crossing, BTW Ray's dead predicted it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Fn7GZjR0Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3m38s)

But some stuff I thought very specific to other films and books Party's with High End Hookers and Plastic Surgery (LA COnfidential), buying up land that will eventually become vaulable (Chinatown).

Folks who know Noir, is Pizzolatto a hack ripping off the genre or paying homage to classic themes and materials?
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posted this in PTP

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=699652&mesg_id=699652&page=#701578


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luckily, the season got better episode to episode. the problem is that it started from such a low point that the peak of episode 8 wasn't THAT thrilling.

i liked that VV started out as a really weak character. by the end though he stepped it up and it think his character may have been everyone's favorite.

all we can do is hope for better next season. the story/performances OVERALL just weren't there.

attention because they aren't on HBO.

If this season wasn't on HBO no one would be talking about it.


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i'm not doubting you, i'm genuinely asking because i'm always looking for something new to watch.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

..so much that every scene was telegraphed.

i'm not saying the entire season was a failure, but there wasn't much in the way of consistency. in the end, i didn't care what happened to any of them (which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the job of a successful writer).

i don't need any of these writers working together again.

here's hoping next season is nothing like this.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

people seemed angry about the somewhat happy ending to that season so this season ends with nothing but Ls passed around. dude mighta listened to the critics to closely on that one...not that it mattered much at that point.

...with the ending.

He said he thought it was cliche to have characters die in these type of stories and watching it last night, you could see him trying to rectify that for last season and make it more "realistic" with the noir type endings and overtones.

Homeboy should've just stuck to his guns TBH.

I think there were too many cats and moving pieces involved with the conspiracy and frame ups TBH.

And when the Mexicans came back, I asked myself did they really need to be back?

was far fetched

the moving parts were sloppily managed bc as tight a rein as he kept in-house (despite the bullshit ass flood of betrayal)

my only problems with the season were just dialogue and editing issues otherwise I was fine with this season. But I just didn't care about the last 30 minutes.

S2's ending was everything stupidly cliche that S1 didn't do. and the complaints about S1's ending were mostly off the mark to begin with.

he leaves to many plot devices under-developed or simply clumsily used...

Woodrugh's gayness...used poorly

The Mexicans...wack...after they killed ol girl he was supposed to get info from...they should have been dead

Killed Stan and we barely even knew who the fuck Stan was

The actual initial murderer(s) actually made hella sense for once but the hard drive...a freshman forensic IT person could have retrieved that data in all likelihood

the multiple shit luck Vercoro had with phones was extremely extra and messy

Antigone not wanting any part of testifying

it was sloppy around the edges...the actual bare bones plot was solid...i think he needed ol boy to rein him in from going off the rails though...

i actually liked Vince in this role...i think his character seemed mildly far-fetched but i kinda liked that about it...colin was ok...mcadams character was clunky and i hate that she didn't take the time to learn to hold a gun with all that knife "training"

the setting and the bare-bones plot was dope though...it had all the makings of a prototypical noir but missed the mark...it should have been paced differently with that many moving parts

maybe the worst moment of the whole series. I liked the season for the most part, but...

*peeps in the window*

"It's the bird mask!"

"Oh cool. the sliding door is open"

"hey what's behind this black curtain?"

"Hey, that looks like the same shotgun that.."

*under carefully placed magnifying glass* NON LETHAL BULLETS
"It is!!"

"And surveillance photos... of Holloway, and Burris!"

"Wait, i hear a voice in the other room"

FAINT VOICE "hey can anyone hear me?"

it's the girl that can tell us everything!

Oh wow, it turns out her brother (the guy who we figured out was the missing link even though the audience saw him for 2 seconds) is gonna meet with Holloway right now!

Reading this description was more entertaining than watching that.