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Topic subjectVice Special Report: Killing Cancer Full Episode (HBO)
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12738405, Vice Special Report: Killing Cancer Full Episode (HBO)
Posted by thegodcam, Sat Feb-28-15 12:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SvBAjXGyQ
12738455, This was a good Episosed.
Posted by Case_One, Sat Feb-28-15 02:07 PM

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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."
12738590, possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe
Posted by J_Stew, Sat Feb-28-15 06:30 PM
Just the greatest achievement ever, and hardly anyone is talking about it
12738668, agreed
Posted by Heinz, Sat Feb-28-15 09:44 PM

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12738815, RE: possibly the greatest medical science achievement or maybe
Posted by murph71, Sun Mar-01-15 12:09 PM
>Just the greatest achievement ever, and hardly anyone is
>talking about it


^^^^^^

Very eye-opening.....
12741168, people have been talking about gene therapy for a long time
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Mar-03-15 04:51 PM
Using modified viruses to alter the host/patient's own DNA isnt a new concept. The targeting scheme they talk about is interesting, but not necessarily revolutionary.

And for my money the Human Genome Project holds the honor you speak of. There is none of this without that.
12741195, maybe to those within the scientific community
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-03-15 05:11 PM
but this is extending past those parameters no? making the idea and treatment more of the national conversation instead of just chemo/radiation or changing diet and exercise. it also seems to be moving past the testing phase
12741198, this is definitely true
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Mar-03-15 05:20 PM
>making the
>idea and treatment more of the national conversation instead
>of just chemo/radiation or changing diet and exercise.

Hopefully this will direct more funding their way. Im also hopeful that this stays away from Big Pharm. But copyrighted gene sequencing seems inevitable :(

>it also
>seems to be moving past the testing phase

Well more like into a different phase. How these patients' WBCs behave post treatment will be monitored for years, maybe even decades. They dont want to find out that these genes get expressed inappropriately 20 years after it becomes a standard of care. Lots of reasons for optimism tho, I hope i didnt convey otherwise.
12741334, RE:
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-03-15 07:57 PM
But copyrighted
>gene sequencing seems inevitable :(
>
wait, what? what's the logic behind that?

>>it also
>>seems to be moving past the testing phase
>
>Well more like into a different phase. How these patients'
>WBCs behave post treatment will be monitored for years, maybe
>even decades. They dont want to find out that these genes get
>expressed inappropriately 20 years after it becomes a standard
>of care. Lots of reasons for optimism tho, I hope i didnt
>convey otherwise.
>
hmm ok
12741349, re: copyrighted gene sequencing
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Mar-03-15 08:10 PM
The specific genetic material being put into this modified viruses had to be engineered with markers and such.

As gene therapy moves into the mainstream, the specific DNA/RNA sequence that a given condition requires will be standardized. Best case scenario is that they end up in GenBank for unlimited public use. Worst case scenario is that developers are allowed to register those sequences as proprietary and charge for their use.

Given that, my general cynicism leads me to believe the latter is more likely than the former.
12741491, i see
Posted by astralblak, Wed Mar-04-15 02:26 AM
seems the latter will happen

even in the short doc one of the scientist/doctors who seems to be curing Lukemia with parts of the Aids virus ran out of funding and spoke about how big pharm is an issue. I may be projecting on the latter part.

12741828, RE: re: copyrighted gene sequencing
Posted by tha_scientist, Wed Mar-04-15 11:16 AM
I thought it was already ruled that you can not patent a gene or gene sequence:
https://www.genomeweb.com/clinical-genomics/us-supreme-court-strikes-down-gene-patents-allows-patenting-synthetic-dna

You can patent an altered DNA or DNA delivery system, but multiple companies can work on the same gene.
12741918, the next fight will be over whether these altered viral genomes are
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Mar-04-15 11:57 AM
Naturally occurring genes or synthetic genes

or whether or not a novel sequence of naturally occurring genes has been manipulated enough to get around that ruling

I hope im wrong tho
12741942, my $.02, the bush administration set us back ALOT, IRT science, etc...
Posted by bentagain, Wed Mar-04-15 12:06 PM
instead of talking about it

we could have been developing techniques like this a decade ago

while Bush/Cheney were denying science for political agendas.
12741971, i could not agree more strongly
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Mar-04-15 12:23 PM
I read a book called The Republican War on Science that really depressed me
12738811, awesome
Posted by luminous, Sun Mar-01-15 12:01 PM
12738819, ^
Posted by bentagain, Sun Mar-01-15 12:21 PM
12738830, Just amazing, I was blown away. I'm glad cures/major steps
Posted by las raises, Sun Mar-01-15 12:43 PM
Are happening to fight cancer
12738908, I know people round the way that have cured cancer.
Posted by Musa, Sun Mar-01-15 03:27 PM
12741163, ...
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-03-15 04:41 PM
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12741867, haha, is this the medical equilvalent of 'i see better hoes at the
Posted by KiloMcG, Wed Mar-04-15 11:31 AM
bodega'?
12738990, that was a great watch
Posted by makaveli, Sun Mar-01-15 07:30 PM
very encouraging.
12741162, Multiple myeloma killed my pop
Posted by astralblak, Tue Mar-03-15 04:40 PM
they gave him six months he lived nearly three years, but those final days were...

i'm so glad that people will not have to endure what we went through as a family, if these advances are the real deal, which they seem to be

the science of it, it just incredible
12741519, get thaaa fuuuuck ouuuta heeere... wow. thanks for sharing.
Posted by 2.tears.in.a.bucket, Wed Mar-04-15 07:52 AM
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12741989, haven't watched the whole thing but...
Posted by imcvspl, Wed Mar-04-15 12:44 PM
the word 'cure' is something i have serious hesitation on. this purely froom a lay perspective based on a single experience and the information the doctors provided in that. but yeah my issue is that all the focus is on curing something that's happened without the focus on how it arrived to that point and preventing that. of course we want to help the folk that contract it but going forward it would seem preventing it would be far better than curing it. curing it is profit motivated, while preventing it, well that would just be logical.

my primary example of this (which i mention and indeed reply because the genome is talked about above) is that they won't do genome maps of folk until the have a full blown cancer. but if you know there are x, y, and z conditions which lead to cancer why wouldn't you want to genome map those patients too to figure out what's causing those and how to prevent them from becoming cancer. answer the doctors provide - it's too expensive to do unless as a last resort.

it's just backwards thinking from my perspective and setting back progress far more than anything else and not for politics or anythig like that but becase a cure for cancer is the fucking golden ticket $$$$.

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