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12704641, Have politics ever gotten in the way of a friendship/relationship 4 U?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:00 PM
Folks really can't imagine having a homey who is a republican? An Ace who is pro-life? Boyfriend who thinks Bill Cosby is being framed?

Mugs in the other post questioning whether they should boycott Anthony Mackie movies because dude thinks dreads will hold you back.

I get someone may have views so abhorrent that you can't associate with them but to me that would have to be some pretty strong views that are indicative of you being a bad person.

Other than that is it really that serious?


Y'all really don't F with people cuz they got different views than you?

Or to put it another way, have you ever been like "Yo this person is so cool and I'd even date them but I can't get over their views on (Insert view that really doesn't have any bearing on your relationship)"?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704678, i've talked about the rift between my mother and me.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Jan-21-15 04:21 PM
her bullshit about the gay definitely makes me call and visit less.
a lot less.

because I don't have the patience for it.



it also affected my relationship with a buddy from college.
he didn't handle me coming out to him well,
and I found myself avoiding the topic of who I was dating after I came out.

which defeats the purpose of coming out because
I came out so I could quit dancing around the subject of who I was seeing.

the bottom line is we talk less because I have less patience for his hangups than I once did.



and although I give those two ppl more wiggle room
for their phobia because they are my ppl,
anybody new I meet will have to be cool with the gay if we gonna be even remotely cool.

I get that it's hard for some ppl.
I don't care.
I'm too old for that shit.



ppl that go on and on about black on black crime
and we are our own worst enemy get no burn, either.

I don't talk about that shit in my freetime anymore.
far too frustrating.
12704707, Yeah that's completely understandable.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:33 PM
That's someone POV directly oppose to your being.

I don't think I could maintain a relationship with someone who said that they are anti-heterosexual black man.

Can I ask a related but not really question. Did you stop going to Chic-fila?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704715, it wasn't a conscious decision, but yeah.
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Jan-21-15 04:37 PM
I haven't eaten there in a long time.
12704716, One of my Best Friends is a Republican. We debate all the time.
Posted by Case_One, Wed Jan-21-15 04:37 PM
We even yell and talk over each other like FoxNews. But at the end of the day, no matter how different our views are we always laugh at the ind of the convo.

Plus he voted for Obama, just because he was Black...LOL


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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."
12704719, RE: One of my Best Friends is a Republican. We debate all the time.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:40 PM
My black republican friend voted for Obama the first time. I think he sat out the second time.

All the black republicans I know are money oriented entrepreneurs in it for the tax breaks.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704736, My boy is in the military, so he hates democrats
Posted by Case_One, Wed Jan-21-15 04:50 PM
He's a "I pulled myself up by my bootstraps" kind of guy.



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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."
12705235, My mom was a republican just because of the abortion angle
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-22-15 08:44 AM
and I have a few friends from college who were Republican but I'm pretty sure every Black Republican I know still voted for Obama.

My mom went back to college after I graduated HS and she went to U. of Chicago for her masters. She used to sit in on Obama's lectures.

The way she described him made me uncomfortable. He's tall, lite skinneed with these beautiful dark lips... and when he talks, his voice controls the room.

I was like: WTF. OK, I get it.
12704723, have they yet? no
Posted by BabySoulRebel, Wed Jan-21-15 04:43 PM
but given my chosen lifestyle
hard lines can be drawn very quickly.
12704747, I mean are people really politically hating on bi-sexual chicks?!?!?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:52 PM

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704867, on both side of the spectrum, yes
Posted by BabySoulRebel, Wed Jan-21-15 05:57 PM
we're not straight enough for straight ppl (i've experienced that here to boot)
not queer enough for lesbians/gays

12704726, that's why i havent smashed Stacey Dash yet
Posted by Government Name, Wed Jan-21-15 04:45 PM
among a few other minor reasons like not knowing her, never meeting her, etc.
12704732, She's interesting because is there really anyone we know who wouldn't
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:49 PM
Smash based solely on her politics?

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704849, your OP says "relationship".
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Jan-21-15 05:47 PM

as in, you actually talk to this person about their hopes, dreams, fears, and ideas.

I doubt I could tolerate hearing fox news bullshit
in a relationship.

>Smash based solely on her politics?
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704910, yeah. there are alot of bad broads who I think dating would be
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 06:39 PM
torture because of their vapidness.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12705204, Came here to say this
Posted by KingMonte, Thu Jan-22-15 06:45 AM
I luhh'diddid huh
12704740, a girl i was SUPER smitten with was totally into her political career
Posted by illegal, Wed Jan-21-15 04:50 PM
she's killin it in DC now tho, living exactly her dream
12704744, But were her political beliefs the issue?
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Wed Jan-21-15 04:51 PM

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12704746, naw I just wanted her to Sidney Wade me. :-(
Posted by illegal, Wed Jan-21-15 04:52 PM
12704741, I remember reading a swipe here that said the internet
Posted by Regina Rose, Wed Jan-21-15 04:51 PM
has made people less tolerant of those with strong opposing views cause you can always go online and find likeminded ppl

With that said..I have opposing views on a myriad of things with friends and fam -most of my friends either a) don't raise the subject (like religion for example) or they just don't care enough for it to be a debate ...as for fam they are a different situation and we don't debate I usually just say "I don't know about all that" when they get 'on one' and it ends convos
12704812, RE: Have politics ever gotten in the way of a friendship/relationship 4 U?
Posted by JazMean, Wed Jan-21-15 05:26 PM
My boyfriend is a police officer and honestly his views on certain situations disgust me. I really don't think I will be with him for long because of opinions like this:

1) He thinks that it was pretty much Garner's fault that he died for resisting arrest.

2) The Trayvon Martin situation, he believes that after being followed Trayvon turned around and fought Zimmerman and once that took place Zimmerman was in his legal right to kill him. (Mind you, this man has a 14 year old son).

3) He thinks black people blow police brutality out of proportion and of course his argument is "black kill eachother everyday, they need to focus on that"

His other (black) cop friends and their SO's share the same views as him. I once got caught up in a debate with them and it was a mess.
12704825, I could never. . .
Posted by Joe Corn Mo, Wed Jan-21-15 05:30 PM
christ.
12705206, Ughh break up with him...he sounds awful
Posted by afrogirl_lost, Thu Jan-22-15 06:47 AM
You can do so much better.
12705234, IKR... that shit sounds like torture.
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-22-15 08:41 AM
12705676, i will never date or befriend a police officer
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Jan-22-15 12:49 PM
largely b/c even if my cop friend/boyfriend doesn't hold views i find offensive, chances are several of his cop buddies will. and i don't want to have to associate myself w/those ppl. and it wouldn't be fair to my guy/friend if i ask him not to bring his buddies around.
12704877, I lose friends all the time over politics.
Posted by Kira, Wed Jan-21-15 06:07 PM
Any of my white friends jumping out and gloating over the deaths of innocent black men are not friends. These people could be different versions at different times if circumstances change(d). When they diss them and speak of them, how can I remain friends with them? Matter of fact, I warned people after this latest innocent black death to not say anything to me they couldn't say to my face.

On the celebrity end, I hate token black guy with conservative views that shits on the rest of us and spouts dumb shit. The Jason Whitlocks, Don Lemons, Herman Cains of the world are not worth my energy. These people are not worth my support at all.
12704879, No
Posted by makaveli, Wed Jan-21-15 06:11 PM
many of my closest friends have different political views.
12704881, Nah. I used to be cool with this white dude....
Posted by The Wordsmith, Wed Jan-21-15 06:11 PM
...who believed races shouldn't mix when it comes to dating, marriage, and sex. I disagreed with him. Outside of that, I had no problems with dude. Hell, I've known Black folks that felt the same way. I disagreed with them too but had no issues outside of that.

With me, as long as you're not talking way outlandish crap like grown men should have the right to sleep with boys or something crazy of that nature, chances are, I'm not gonna stop talking to you just because we disagree on something that's not going to affect either one of us in the end.

If your political, spiritual, or whatever important beliefs clash with mine on a level where it's not going to harm either one of us, then there's no need for me to end the friendship.


Since 1976
12704884, got a friend who thinks Obama is the anti-christ
Posted by Playa_Politician, Wed Jan-21-15 06:15 PM
i always crack on him when he starts getting one of his rants.
12704920, of course. tons of people i don't associate with anymore
Posted by J_Stew, Wed Jan-21-15 06:45 PM
because of their ideologies. they have to be super extra about it though.
12704933, not until facebook
Posted by GriftyMcgrift, Wed Jan-21-15 06:55 PM
12705004, It's cool as long as both parties either A. Are always open for
Posted by micMajestic, Wed Jan-21-15 07:47 PM
intelligent discussion, or B. Don't bring it up at all, because it may potentially ruin the fun

I'm not 100% open for intelligent discussion in social settings. It often can get in the way of the fun... plus the more I drink, the more smug my argument will come across. I know my faults, so either we are rolling with option B, or we can't roll at all.

Let my love slide in and never slip out
12705221, The older I get the less inclined I am to be down for "intelligent"
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Jan-22-15 07:43 AM
Convos. I feel like I've had them all before and their rarely productive (unless someone tells a personal story I have not considered) You want to otherwise change my mind send me a long form indepth article on a topic.
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12705021, No.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jan-21-15 07:59 PM
One of the people I most like to talk to about the most things (especially serious shit) is one of these guys who went through the metamorphosis. When he was younger (before I knew him), he was a liberal and a fallen Catholic. Now he is very devout religiously and very conservative politically. He knows his shit and although he hedges in biased directions pretty noticeably at times, I find he often has a balanced perspective and when he doesn't, it really challenges me to define and defend my own opinion better.

My best friend from childhood is into all sorts of funky political shit, like he knows the ins and outs of libertarian-ism, he's identified himself as an anarchist, he knows all kinds of weird ass german economists, etc. Often our politics have clashed and we've gotten in deep ass arguments. I think we have both been forced to think critically during these disagreements.

I would never really let it affect an existing friendship, to be honest.

That said, I do dismiss the fuck out of people who have some cookie-cutter, bumper-sticker-ass political philosophy when I am getting to know them
12705201, Friends, most definitely... lover? Hmm...
Posted by TheAlbionist, Thu Jan-22-15 06:30 AM
I dunno if I could share my life with someone who disagreed with me fundamentally on outlook, but I like having friends around that I can dig deep into debates with.

Having said that, my SO leans slightly to the 'spiritual' end of beliefs... most of the time it's not anything consequential, so I don't bother challenging. We agree on most of the 'important' shit.
12705208, Yes, and I'm glad those relationships ended
Posted by afrogirl_lost, Thu Jan-22-15 06:49 AM
They were pretty horrible people.
12705231, I couldn't date someone who had opposing views
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-22-15 08:40 AM
One of my good friends in Philly is a real live GOP conservative. Everything about him screams Dem but he is GOP like shit. He used to go around saying he was an old fashion log cabin republican for years... then he found out log cabin republicans = gay and had a moment.

He was a hilarious dude who had no problem buying a few rounds, talking shit about Dems and then asking me if I wanted to go to the washy washy in Old City.

He was also one of the first people to predict Obama would be the first Black Pres. back in 2004. As long as a person knows how to turn that political talk off so we can kick it I'm good.


...but to actually date someone saying slick shit about Blacks? hell to the nah, why would I torture myself like that?

12705236, Have apotna who is a ben carson republican. We don't talk no more
Posted by deejboram, Thu Jan-22-15 08:46 AM
After time his extreme republicanism wore on us

He bout to bible and should be elected soon
12705241, me & my boy had a fallin'out over Nick Cannon being chairman of
Posted by Fishgrease, Thu Jan-22-15 08:53 AM
Nickelodeon and his claim that he had 20 million at 21 (All of this came from this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJS5PW1fcf4)



like we ain't spoke in 6 months.


I still laugh cause it's funny and trivial as phuck. I hit him with some facts discrediting the song and he's been but hurt since.
12705325, That's cutting a dude off for being dumb. LOL.
Posted by Buddy_Gilapagos, Thu Jan-22-15 09:51 AM
I'll say though, there was a time that Nick was probably worth more than Jay. Before Jay started making money outside of music and pre-live nation money.



>Nickelodeon and his claim that he had 20 million at 21 (All
>of this came from this song
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJS5PW1fcf4)
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>like we ain't spoke in 6 months.
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>I still laugh cause it's funny and trivial as phuck. I hit him
>with some facts discrediting the song and he's been but hurt
>since.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
12705255, Friend from high school popped up as a hardcore Palin fan in 2007/2008
Posted by MEAT, Thu Jan-22-15 09:02 AM
I quietly unfriendly her and haven spoken since. I can deal with conservatives, even tolerate republicans and libertarians. But anyone who couldn't see that lady was crazy and even took to big upping her was not someone I wanted around in any capacity.
12705258, white dude from HS who played football is on that shit
Posted by legsdiamond, Thu Jan-22-15 09:07 AM
My boy called me heated over seeing his FB page.

I just adjusted my settings. I don't really use FB that much anyway.

12705277, I'm so glad you can essentially hide people now
Posted by MEAT, Thu Jan-22-15 09:25 AM
Because I sure did a lot of quite unfriending before.
I think I only "see" about 30 people on Facebook. And about a third are from here.
12705292, My close friends and family no, casual friends definitely
Posted by bigkarma, Thu Jan-22-15 09:36 AM
I tend to be FAR left on quite a few issues, as well as being a quasi-agnostic who dabbles in Eastern philosophy.

My closest friends and family don't share some of my views, but it's cool.

I've posted some lefty FB posts and threw my two cents in during some watercooler debates that have chased off a few casual friends.
12705580, I used to play doubles tennis with a fucking REDNECK republican.
Posted by Lardlad95, Thu Jan-22-15 11:56 AM
We worked well together despite that shit.

Hell I have a friend who desperately wishes he wasn't black. I think it's annoying but he's my friend.

Hell I dislike most people for one reason or another, why should that stop me from making friends? I know there are things about me that people hate. So what are u gonna do?
12705669, working with ain't the same.
Posted by SoWhat, Thu Jan-22-15 12:47 PM
i have worked extensively w/a conservative Republican. but we're not really friends.
12705726, politics??? lol...hell nah
Posted by ambient1, Thu Jan-22-15 01:13 PM
12705827, RE: Have politics ever gotten in the way of a friendship/relationship 4 U?
Posted by MC_LOGIC, Thu Jan-22-15 01:59 PM
I had a friend who's a US Marshall who couldn't get past me being against police brutality. I made a facebook post about it on New Year's eve so I'll just copy and paste that here:

"I wanna get this out so I can leave it in 2014...this year I lost a few friends. Not due to death but because of life. The one that hurt most was a friend of mine that I've known for over 20 years. On Christmas Eve he sent me a text to tell me that we can't be friends because of our different views on the police brutality incidents that have been going on. He works in law enforcement and I know there's a brotherhood in that field but damn, man. For real...It's like that? I don't have time to tell how much he and I have been thru together but I'll put it like this...if you followed the story on "1st High" he's the one who got me out of jail the next day. Met him at orientation freshmen year at ECU and have been friends since...until last week. Tonight i'll pour out a little liquor in memory of the friendship and toast to new ones. Happy 2015!"
12705945, my best friend is an irish catholic republican
Posted by labcoat, Thu Jan-22-15 02:40 PM
and wildchild's godfather

im a black baptist democrat
but i love him all the same
12706339, Not unless they are very passionate abt something I find reprehensible
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Thu Jan-22-15 04:57 PM
Like I don't know if I could be buddies with a Klan member.
But it's easy for me to separate my disagreements with people and my feelings about them as a person.

I actually think I disagree with my close friends on most of the popular/controversial political topics.
We can get into a knock down, drag out debate over pretty much anything then be like "You watching the game over here tomorrow right?"
12706375, If we're cool, it actually helps. More stuff to discuss/debate
Posted by Wonderl33t, Thu Jan-22-15 05:17 PM
If you're an asshat and we have different views, then the differing views will hurt.


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