Park Lakes (Black): http://www.canyongate.com/communities/park/

Fall Creek (White): http://www.fallcreekhouston.com/

The above two nabes sit on opposite sides of the freeway from one another.
Homes and homestyles are about the same.
The black nabe goes from like 200s up to ~400
The white nabe starts at like 225 and goes into the millions (they got a golf course on this side)



Both nabes were built at the same time.
Few years ago.

Blackish hood seems to be wearing down A LOT faster than its white counterpart just across the road.
In 2014, why is this?
Same homebuilders built the homes.

They both pay the same amount of property taxes (% wise) because they are in the same county/city/MUD.

Why do the white nabe still look crisp around the edges and the black nabe seem kinda wilted and dated?

I was asking my wife about this shit but she don't know.

One of my boys built a house from the ground up in 2007.
Already his hood has derelict houses and the mexicans be blocking/clogging the street by parking fifthy leven cars ON the street when it seems like they have a party everyday and they live like 2 or 3 houses into the subdivision so their cars cause gridlock at the entrance gates

houses in his hood go for 150-225 tho
i think he paid like 200 to have his built

If anybody know of any Af-Am studies papers on this please point them in my direction.

In the meantime I found a cool lil paper from a Temple student:

http://digital.library.temple.edu/cdm/ref/collection/p245801coll10/id/93968

Afrocentricity and Westernity: A Critical Dialogue in Search of the Demise of the Inhuman
by Ana Maria Monteiro-­‐Ferreira

That white girl post WAS trolltastic.
Was just tryin to get shit poppin on a Saturday morn.
It grew legs and went all the way til Tuesday!

This shit right here, I'm seriously curious about.

These afrocentrist are talking about community empowerment and all,
but at the same time,
niggas dont take care of nothing

we had a post last week about all the trash that flies around philly's streets.
niggas dont care.

banks dont want to lend money in black nabes because niggas destroy shit.

i went to an HBCU undergrad and a Ivy grad school.
I was like DAMN why is their so so damn new and perfect!?!?!?!
well, the HBCU will paint a room/hallway one time, when it is first built.
It be some cheap ass America's Best walmart paint at that.
One single coat.

The Ivy will have a painting crew come thru two times every three years or so to freshen stuff up.
And they will use TWO coats of that good Sherwin-Williams low-VOC

so, when i seen that, i was like, these jokers aint slick
they really not taking care of their shit better,
they just painting over the blemishes more often
covering shit up
hiding stuff

same with their history

(you like how i tied all that together, huh?)


The reason why these thoughts and convos come up is because we're house hunting right now so we tear nabaes apart with a fine toothed afro pic to ensure we are making the right choice

Which does in essence make this a troll post.

but yall wanna typecast so keep on typing

many of those white nabes are people living more within their means who come from generations of folks who have been able to afford that lisfestyle for some time...

a lot of the black folks are basically the first generation who are able to even remotely afford that shit...even though fewer of them genuinely can...

so they often can't afford the same level of upkeep

DC suburbs is the perfect example...

the newer houses are cheaper but still look better than the lower class whites that are less than a mile away...

but the wither neighborhoods are holding up better because many of those folks have generations of homeowners behind them...

half the black folks i know out in these areas are like generational pioneers fleeing (or being pushed out) the more expensive (and growing) metro areas and often victims of the American dream...

and they all take care of their neighborhoods to the best of their abilities in my experience but sometimes when you get urban flight to the suburbs...sometimes they bring urban issues with them...and other times they are just more unprepared financially than their white peers

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i said it is the same hoods only separated by a 4 lane highway (2 lanes each direction)

man i liked the BPP and OLD SCHOOL frats because at least they held black folks to some sort of accountability.

and the other one aint all white

i know a few black families that live in both nabes so of course i know it is not 100.0% white or 100.0% black

but there are 5 times (6% vs 40%) as many white kids that go to Fall Creek elementary than that goes to Park Lakes elementary.

Niggas don't take of shit B.
well I can't speak for the neighborhoods you posted but
Where I'm currently located for work
The west side of Orlando in a area called pine hills
Aka (crime hills) these cats just don't care
I mean maybe there's a conspiracy I don't know
But what I do know is cats in my neck of the woods
Where I work cats have been living in apts since forever
They aint never had to take care of anything
They fuck it up they tell their complex
Or their housing worker.

The sense of pride for where you live starts at home
And alot of them barely clean their homes

They don't know the value of anything
They know how to split a blunt and leave
The guts on their steps
They know how to let their kids run wild
Unsupervised while jerrod is blowing her back out

Then when you add the carribean niggas to the mix
It gets hectic. The westside of Orlando
Is full of Haitians Ive witnessed these niggas
Just throw bags of trash out of their windows
Like that's how shit is supposed to go.
I've been in homes of these niggas with housing
The shits disgusting


And I'm not hating on island niggas
I'm just calling it like I see it.

Niggas don't clean their homes how can
We expect them to clean their neighborhoods

But there are little enclaves that are
Very nice in the midst of the nihilistic attitudes
Of the niggas around them.

Cats gotta put forth the effort to take care
Of their neighborhoods too.

But when you point it out
you become and agent
or riding on the coon train

I know there are govt forces DESIGNED to make us fail and to kill us
I KNOW THIS!!!
but what i don't know is how 50 years ago we kept our nabes clean and tidy but now shit is just going to the dogs.
dont get me wrong
not ALL black nabes are like this
but the problem i am seeing is that this is even happening in the "middle class" $200,000 - $400,000 price range nabes
for relevance in Houston you can get a decent "starter" home for $80,000

so why can't we start with fixing ourselves first
before we start pointing fingers at "the man"

some will call this "afrocentric" way of thinking
i call it just being A MAN and dealing with MANLY shit
being an adult

and i bet you after gutting they vega on the steps of the apartments they licked it, rolled it up then placed it behind their ear while they rolled another one to actually fire up
dont get me wrong
i blaze
but i dont walk around in filp flops with socks on and a joint hanging out the inside of my fitted neither




>Niggas don't take of shit B.
>well I can't speak for the neighborhoods you posted but
>Where I'm currently located for work
>The west side of Orlando in a area called pine hills
>Aka (crime hills) these cats just don't care
>I mean maybe there's a conspiracy I don't know
>But what I do know is cats in my neck of the woods
>Where I work cats have been living in apts since forever
>They aint never had to take care of anything
>They fuck it up they tell their complex
>Or their housing worker.
>
>The sense of pride for where you live starts at home
>And alot of them barely clean their homes
>
>They don't know the value of anything
>They know how to split a blunt and leave
>The guts on their steps
>They know how to let their kids run wild
>Unsupervised while jerrod is blowing her back out
>
>Then when you add the carribean niggas to the mix
>It gets hectic. The westside of Orlando
>Is full of Haitians Ive witnessed these niggas
>Just throw bags of trash out of their windows
>Like that's how shit is supposed to go.
>I've been in homes of these niggas with housing
>The shits disgusting
>
>
>And I'm not hating on island niggas
>I'm just calling it like I see it.
>
>Niggas don't clean their homes how can
>We expect them to clean their neighborhoods
>
>But there are little enclaves that are
>Very nice in the midst of the nihilistic attitudes
>Of the niggas around them.
>
>Cats gotta put forth the effort to take care
>Of their neighborhoods too.
>
>

Because as you pointed out
50 yrs ago we took pride in our neighborhoods
Even alot of elders (as sad as it sounds when
You hit your 50s you're an elder in our world)
Take care of their piece of peace.
It's like their grandchildren somehow didn't get
The training

Like the lady who raised me
As batshit crazy as she was. Always kept a clean home
She stressed taking care of everything
She had kids who were about the age of my mother
So her grand kids were my age

She rode her children ad made them clean
And show respect and alladat
But then some of grand kids didn't have any
Home training whatsoever. Like who dropped the ball?

I'm sure Daquan sitting on the stoop
Gutting his vega and leaving the guts there
Can go over his grandmas house and that shit is probably immaculate

I think we lost alot of recipes between our
Parents and grandparents generations

And you are right as soon as you begin
To critique your own ppl they want to
Crucify you but we gotta call a spade a spade these years



>But when you point it out
>you become and agent
>or riding on the coon train
>
>I know there are govt forces DESIGNED to make us fail and to
>kill us
>I KNOW THIS!!!
>but what i don't know is how 50 years ago we kept our nabes
>clean and tidy but now shit is just going to the dogs.
>dont get me wrong
>not ALL black nabes are like this
>but the problem i am seeing is that this is even happening in
>the "middle class" $200,000 - $400,000 price range nabes
>for relevance in Houston you can get a decent "starter" home
>for $80,000
>
>so why can't we start with fixing ourselves first
>before we start pointing fingers at "the man"
>
>some will call this "afrocentric" way of thinking
>i call it just being A MAN and dealing with MANLY shit
>being an adult
>
>and i bet you after gutting they vega on the steps of the
>apartments they licked it, rolled it up then placed it behind
>their ear while they rolled another one to actually fire up
>dont get me wrong
>i blaze
>but i dont walk around in filp flops with socks on and a joint
>hanging out the inside of my fitted neither
>
>
>
>
>>Niggas don't take of shit B.
>>well I can't speak for the neighborhoods you posted but
>>Where I'm currently located for work
>>The west side of Orlando in a area called pine hills
>>Aka (crime hills) these cats just don't care
>>I mean maybe there's a conspiracy I don't know
>>But what I do know is cats in my neck of the woods
>>Where I work cats have been living in apts since forever
>>They aint never had to take care of anything
>>They fuck it up they tell their complex
>>Or their housing worker.
>>
>>The sense of pride for where you live starts at home
>>And alot of them barely clean their homes
>>
>>They don't know the value of anything
>>They know how to split a blunt and leave
>>The guts on their steps
>>They know how to let their kids run wild
>>Unsupervised while jerrod is blowing her back out
>>
>>Then when you add the carribean niggas to the mix
>>It gets hectic. The westside of Orlando
>>Is full of Haitians Ive witnessed these niggas
>>Just throw bags of trash out of their windows
>>Like that's how shit is supposed to go.
>>I've been in homes of these niggas with housing
>>The shits disgusting
>>
>>
>>And I'm not hating on island niggas
>>I'm just calling it like I see it.
>>
>>Niggas don't clean their homes how can
>>We expect them to clean their neighborhoods
>>
>>But there are little enclaves that are
>>Very nice in the midst of the nihilistic attitudes
>>Of the niggas around them.
>>
>>Cats gotta put forth the effort to take care
>>Of their neighborhoods too.
>>
>>
>

now people are defending these kids right to look sloppy as fuck.

Like their whole ass is literally hanging out
Niggas sagging baller shorts
It's like wtf man

Like their whole ass is literally hanging out
Niggas sagging baller shorts
It's like wtf man

My grandparents old block in West Philly's looks like a war zone. Trash every where, kids running around looking crazy, houses in disrepair, more renters than owner, and grown ass men just hanging out in front of the Papi stores. 52nd Street, which used to be a vibrant shopping district (even in the 1980s) is a huge garbage can with nothing but African vendors and sneaker stores. It makes me so sad.

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i remember you and other ppl from detroit making a post about how ppl are letting their hoods go to garbage
then kids will torch the houses
then the white man will come in and buy the homes for pennies

why can't we stop doing this shit?

im talking about taking care of what we DO own

shit man, we got our own banks
so we can finance our own mortgages

Russell got the credit/debit card company

Lawal got an oil company

man we can DO this

but yet and still we be on some bullshit

i hear you

i know exactly what you're talking about

many here do too

but they wont admit it over finding a scapegoat

Although the city was 90% black most of the landowners were white suburbanites.

We owned some but they lived in certain neighborhoods (and those neighborhoods are still intact right now) or they were destroyed by building freeways


There is something to be said about keeping your living space clean regardless of ownership status. I will never argue about that.
The mentality of renting versus owning is a huge PROBLEM with us BLACK people and that shit is unfortunate.

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I was assuming it would be old gramammas homes being passed down.


So if most of the landowners in Detroit are white already, why the outcry about white folks pushing blacks out when whites already OWN most of the areas blacks are living in?


I think more blacks need to OWN vs rent.
But honestly, I'm renting right now because to OWN something that I like would cost me 50% more than I'm paying in rent.
I live in a million dollar neighborhood but pay $1,500 in rent.
I'd never be able to buy over here unless I went to exec level or got some super nice businesses jumping off.
Also, I don't want my household expenses being more than 25% of my monthly income so that's also a factor.
I like that cushion.


>Although the city was 90% black most of the landowners were
>white suburbanites.
>
>We owned some but they lived in certain neighborhoods (and
>those neighborhoods are still intact right now) or they were
>destroyed by building freeways
>
>
>There is something to be said about keeping your living space
>clean regardless of ownership status. I will never argue about
>that.
>The mentality of renting versus owning is a huge PROBLEM with
>us BLACK people and that shit is unfortunate.

where you could afford to own?

>where you could afford to own?


so, we are faced with SUPER long drive times
im talking 2hr commutes each way
my commute already is 45 mins in morning and 90-120 mins coming home

and we got caught at a bad time
houston is going through a crazy real estate boom right now and prices everywhere are through the roof
even in the hood

Are you familiar with the Eight Mile Wall??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Wall

During the heyday of Devils Night. People were like why are these nigs burning up their own neighborhoods. Do a FOIA request oh look property taxes haven't been paid since 199- and the owners name is Carlson or Abrahamson and the zip codes are 48076 48009...

The outcry is because the new folks are moving into the neighborhoods were people stayed and kept up the property (owners and renters) and now magically there are city services and downtown is being cooperative.

I'll give you an example. http://michigancitizen.com/edible-architecture-growing-in-calimera-park/

For years the residents had been trying to buy this park from the city and they wouldnt sell it even going so far as giving out tickets for trespass when we tried to clean it up . As soon as these WHITE ecowarriors for justice asked about it BOOM all cooperative and open doors..Pisses me off
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so i chose houston instead
but i can't believe this shit goes on in a majority black city


>I'll give you an example.
>http://michigancitizen.com/edible-architecture-growing-in-calimera-park/
>
>For years the residents had been trying to buy this park from
>the city and they wouldnt sell it even going so far as giving
>out tickets for trespass when we tried to clean it up . As
>soon as these WHITE ecowarriors for justice asked about it
>BOOM all cooperative and open doors..Pisses me off
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are not most of detroits polticians black?
why not?
this is so SOOOOO crazy to me

Here is the thing that people don't realize about Michigan:
outside of Detroit, its rural and WHITE and NEO-CONSERVATIVE

You put the stigma of Detroit after the uprising, the auto industry giving the city the FINGER and yes some Black folks being TRIFLING as hell you get Black politicians with no clout. Hell the state decided NOT to give us our portion of the revenue sharing because of reasons.

Its rough but I love it here.
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Not on no Uncle Ruckus shit
but it's like GOD DAMN when will this shit end

I just realised Houston don't really have a "black" enclave.

Yeah there is MacGregor area but that shit is hella small and isn't FULLY a Black enclave like the Gold/Platinum coast in DC or Cascade Heights in Atlanta or Shaker Heights in Cleveland.

them HOA are like the gestappo
you get fined for EVERY lil thing wrong with your property
you can't leave waterhoses on your front yard
you can't park cars in the driveway
you can't have a certain kinda mailbox

shit is dumb

so there is not always a broken window
especially in a hood with 150 homes all built since 2006
these range in size from 2,500 to 4,000 sq ft

I had the opportunity to buy comparable houses in a mostly black neighborhood and a mixed neighborhood back in 01. Both were considered "Starter" communities... relatively low-priced. My real estate broker counseled me to buy in the mixed neighborhood NOT because of the racial makeup but because of the economic makeup.

Namely, the people in the mixed neighborhood had higher incomes yet were more financially conservative. They saw their homes as the starter homes that they were and either bought well below their limits or saw considerable pay increases because they were upwardly mobile in their careers. Either way, they were able to live their lives, maintain and even improve their homes and then move on to bigger better homes with a combination of their savings and their profit from their homes.

The people in the other neighborhood were generally poorer with poorer career prospects. They stretched to afford their homes then stretched to buy the best car they could afford (ironically, they had better cars in this community than the mixed one). They didn't have the money to maintain their homes, let alone improve them, so property values stagnated. They stayed in their homes forever because they couldn't sell their homes for a meaningful profit and their other financial decision limited their savings.

So what you may consider a racial thing is really an economic thing with some cultural/racial spice... there were alot of black people in that mixed neighborhood too but they were either upwardly mobile or just benefitted from living around alot of other people that were upwardly mobile.

I ignored this lesson on my 2nd home purchase and I'm paying the price now.

Your broker is confining the "poor blacks" into one hood and everyone else go elsewhere.
That shit has to stop!

But I feel you on the cars tho.
In the two nabes I listed the Black one has classic cars with "flake" paint jobs on them in the driveway sitting on Daytons

The white nabe is bland ass camrys and altimas.
Not to say the white mans car selection is better.
But as you pointed out could be a frame of thought.

I have some rental houses in Decatur, GA off River Road.
This nabe was built in 2001
Homes were going for $100-120k
Ten years later in 2011 I'm not gonna tell you what I bought for.
And in 2013 again, I'm REALLY not going to tell you what I bought the house next door for.
But, the community has went to shit.
Not too much crime.
But just the general upkeep of the surroundings is fucking piss poor

I've been thinking about starting an HOA there but I highly doubt folk will sign up to be charged for lil bit o nothing after living there for so long




>I had the opportunity to buy comparable houses in a mostly
>black neighborhood and a mixed neighborhood back in 01. Both
>were considered "Starter" communities... relatively
>low-priced. My real estate broker counseled me to buy in the
>mixed neighborhood NOT because of the racial makeup but
>because of the economic makeup.
>
>Namely, the people in the mixed neighborhood had higher
>incomes yet were more financially conservative. They saw their
>homes as the starter homes that they were and either bought
>well below their limits or saw considerable pay increases
>because they were upwardly mobile in their careers. Either
>way, they were able to live their lives, maintain and even
>improve their homes and then move on to bigger better homes
>with a combination of their savings and their profit from
>their homes.
>
>The people in the other neighborhood were generally poorer
>with poorer career prospects. They stretched to afford their
>homes then stretched to buy the best car they could afford
>(ironically, they had better cars in this community than the
>mixed one). They didn't have the money to maintain their
>homes, let alone improve them, so property values stagnated.
>They stayed in their homes forever because they couldn't sell
>their homes for a meaningful profit and their other financial
>decision limited their savings.
>
>So what you may consider a racial thing is really an economic
>thing with some cultural/racial spice... there were alot of
>black people in that mixed neighborhood too but they were
>either upwardly mobile or just benefitted from living around
>alot of other people that were upwardly mobile.
>
>I ignored this lesson on my 2nd home purchase and I'm paying
>the price now.

>Your broker is confining the "poor blacks" into one hood and
>everyone else go elsewhere.
>That shit has to stop!
>
>But I feel you on the cars tho.
>In the two nabes I listed the Black one has classic cars with
>"flake" paint jobs on them in the driveway sitting on Daytons
>
>The white nabe is bland ass camrys and altimas.
>Not to say the white mans car selection is better.
>But as you pointed out could be a frame of thought.
>
>I have some rental houses in Decatur, GA off River Road.
>This nabe was built in 2001
>Homes were going for $100-120k
>Ten years later in 2011 I'm not gonna tell you what I bought
>for.
>And in 2013 again, I'm REALLY not going to tell you what I
>bought the house next door for.
>But, the community has went to shit.
>Not too much crime.
>But just the general upkeep of the surroundings is fucking
>piss poor
>
>I've been thinking about starting an HOA there but I highly
>doubt folk will sign up to be charged for lil bit o nothing
>after living there for so long
>


compared to the other neighborhood.

You know, I thought it was kind of bullshit but like I said, I'm seeing it now. I took that money and invested in what I thought were upwardly mobile black neighborhoods.

LOL

Man, as many black folks that are doing really well in the DC area, it's really eye opening when you start looking at the kind of demographic information that big time developers look at. Start reading the stuff commercial developers put together about incomes within 1/2 mile, 1 mile, and 5 miles of their properties and you'll see a world of difference between what would seem to be comparable black and "white" neighborhoods.

anyway, where I currently live, it seems like nobody ever leaves unless they're kicked out of their homes. On first glance, it's a nice neighborhood, mostly because the gestapo HOA fines the shit out of everybody. But under the covers, people CAN'T leave unless they've been saving signficant amounts of money. The economic crisis hit us hard and MD's generous foreclosure laws means some of these houses have been vacant for YEARS.

There's no property appreciation so alot of folks are just stuck.


Edit: Yeah, start that HOA. Like I said, my HOA is thorough. The president has pissed off alot of neighbors with his hard line. Some have come to me, complaining about him and I just stay quiet... because secretly I'm like "GOOD!"

...i think people see a few cases of such and run with it....i know black neighborhood that go through transitions neighbor-wise, as all communities do, but it's normally temporary...

>...i think people see a few cases of such and run with
>it....i know black neighborhood that go through transitions
>neighbor-wise, as all communities do, but it's normally
>temporary...


I am talking about BRAND NEW communities
not something that's been around for 200 years and has been gentrified multiple times.

In this new economy I don't see how a community that was cut out of bush and forest just ten years ago can "bounce back".

All the nabes I'm mentioning now are in Houston area and were all just built between 2001 and 2006.

Hell, some that were built in Cypress (NW Houston) just a few years ago are starting to look like shit just from the main road.

Asians don't make up enough of a population to have this problem.
I wonder if Latinos have this problem?

i mean, newer communities going downhill like that in 10-20 yrs?? i know certain people can move in and either they or their visitors treat the neighbohood like crap, but it's usually more of an tiny percent of the overall...

...anyway, it all sounds kinda sad...

Chapel Hill was built in the 90s
Waldrop Hills was built in the 2000s

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so nabe is what the pumpkin spice latte moms use

what else can i use?
any suggestions?

.

Wealth is obvious and has already been addressed, so I'll tackle the know-how.

We're far more likely to be first-generation home-owners. I was raised by a single mother in apartments, so I don't know how to fix shit. Fortunately, we have enough money to get things fixed, but if we didn't everything would be jerry-rigged and janky as fuck...like my very Asian in-law's house.

more and more, i am convinced that you all do not.
they ain't all like the magical ppl you see on tv.

actually, most of them aren't.

I've always wondered too. There are probably a lot of reasons and for this if it is in fact true (which to me in my observations it seems to be). I don't think it's specific to black neighborhoods as I've seen it in Asian and Hispanic nabes as well.

I think the "socio economic culture" you come from is the main reason. For example our neighbors (when I lived at home) were white and our neighborhood mostly was as well. However these neighbors were a little more cavalier about the condition of their houses exterior and interior. They in fact go the whole neighborhood on that "store all your shit in your garage and park on the street" thing. Anyway many would call them "white trash" or at the very least have "white trash" tendencies. They were god enough folks but yeah-- one day they just had a whole couch out in the front area to be picked another time it was a toilet.

tl;dr if you're from a culture that lacks of upkeep you're likely to perpetuate it.

>I think the "socio economic culture" you come from is the main
>reason. For example our neighbors (when I lived at home) were
>white and our neighborhood mostly was as well. However these
>neighbors were a little more cavalier about the condition of
>their houses exterior and interior. They in fact go the whole
>neighborhood on that "store all your shit in your garage and
>park on the street" thing. Anyway many would call them "white
>trash" or at the very least have "white trash" tendencies.
>They were god enough folks but yeah-- one day they just had a
>whole couch out in the front area to be picked another time it
>was a toilet.
>
>tl;dr if you're from a culture that lacks of upkeep you're
>likely to perpetuate it.


It often presents as racial but you can definitely find this in every group. The difference is the white neighborhoods that show this tend to be rural/ in the boonies.

>I've always wondered too. There are probably a lot of reasons
>and for this if it is in fact true (which to me in my
>observations it seems to be). I don't think it's specific to
>black neighborhoods as I've seen it in Asian and Hispanic
>nabes as well.

Really? Asians? Where?
I didn't think they had enough numbers to make this an "issue".
I know latino numbers rival Black american numbers but they tend to be faaaar more on the lower income side as most of them are 1st generation or just recently crossed the border still sending remittances back home.

I guess the Latino hoods (fluidj's request) are more in Arizona and far west texas because I don't know of any wait. EAST HOUSTON
like pasdena and galena park
that's like Lil Mexico out that way
But I never go over there to check as it stinks from all the petro refinery plants


>tl;dr if you're from a culture that lacks of upkeep you're
>likely to perpetuate it.



But we as Black americans are NOT from that type of culture.
LiL Eskochocolate Bar outlined it above how gramma be having an IMMACULATE house
but lil Dayquan will come over grammas and leave his blunt guts on her stoop and not give a shit
where did we lose the recipe?

big mama used to work 12 jobs to buy a house
and it was always in pristine condition.

all back folks used to be just like the archetypal figure you just described.
but her grandkids are triffling and smoke blunts on big mama's couch.

lord, these children!


white folks don't do that though.
they magic.
haven't you seen "modern family?"



serious question: how much exposure to actual white ppl have you had in your life?
do you know any?

go head girlfriend!

it is impossible for me to be objective about this post
because i fear accountability and personal responsibility,
and I am only writing this to show off how "liberal" i am
because i must always maintain politically correct appearances.

that's why I have so much fake outrage against this
non-trollish, completely genuine post.


did i miss anything?
i think i got it all.


but my question is, have you ever met a white person in real life?

Well in D.C. there was a building in what is the "nice" part of town that I would walk by on occasion and think "damn this looks just like a Chinese tenement (i.e. projects). Turns out it was a Chinese Embassy building. I was in San Fran not to long ago staying in Chinatown and that was "Chinese Poor" for sure. Not severe neglect, but definitely run down and with no aggressive upkeep.

Phoenix Arizona has run down Hispanic hoods for days.

I'd have to disagree about us not coming from that culture. Obviously not all black folks, but many nowadays do. To use the analogy-- Big Mamma had kids who had grand kids not all her kids kept the tradition. I think the ills that have plagued or population have played a role in the loss of said habits. Crack, prison, poor money management so you use sheets instead of curtains, being near unemployable as an ex-convict, etc. So by the time you actually get a place you neither have the means nor interest in keeping it up. Especially if it's surrounded by the same run down housing.

Patrice O'neal had some insight on it via the O and A show. Talking about folks in the projects don't really give a shit about their housing-- so what happens when you get moved out due to gentrification or something? You end up bringing that mind-state with you I speculate. I feel I've seen this in the burbs I grew up in. They bring folks from the lower earning counties or inner city into our neighborhoods but the condition of the housing ends up reflecting (or continuing to reflect) their previous surroundings.

simply because you called out the likely most pertinent issue off the top....

The hoods are separated by a highway.
If it's indeed a highway, then that right there speaks volumes about the existing infrastructure of the region and alludes to the possibility that the hoods were never on equal footing in the first place.
.

there is no historical context here
on the black side (north) of the highway are all the shopping stores
walmart, kroger, mcdonalds, chic fi la, autozone
on the white side they have a golf course embedded into their community and they host the Shell Houston Open golf tournament every year and Tiger shows up to that

these hoods were built at the same time
with the same materials
and costs about the same (although the white hood has mansions up into the millions)

tax rates are the same



>simply because you called out the likely most pertinent issue
>off the top....
>
>The hoods are separated by a highway.
>If it's indeed a highway, then that right there speaks volumes
>about the existing infrastructure of the region and alludes to
>the possibility that the hoods were never on equal footing in
>the first place.
>.

>there is no historical context here
>on the black side (north) of the highway are all the shopping
>stores
>walmart, kroger, mcdonalds, chic fi la, autozone
>on the white side they have a golf course embedded into their
>community and they host the Shell Houston Open golf tournament
>every year and Tiger shows up to that
>
>these hoods were built at the same time
>with the same materials
>and costs about the same (although the white hood has mansions
>up into the millions)
>
>tax rates are the same

Did they cost the same at initial sale? (You mighta stated this in the OG post, I don't remember, but I don't want to stop typing and boot up another tab to find the post and determine)

BTW...you pose a valid query...but often things are as equal as they appear when it comes to development and neighborhoods...as you already know..

don't know if this googlemap link will work but here goes:


https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Park+Lakes,+4606+Abide+Gardens,+Humble,+TX+77396/Fall+Creek,+7930+Fall+Creek+Bend,+Humble,+TX+77396/@29.935259,-95.265735,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x8640b2519eca8987:0x15887cab1832a21e!2m2!1d-95.246637!2d29.943128!1m5!1m1!1s0x8640b10a20f76585:0x485327827a7bd82!2m2!1d-95.269967!2d29.932822

I can't call it.
I was just curious as to where they were positioned related to the surrounding area....
but still


I dunno if i'd classify them as the same type of development just because they were the same builder.
One looks like a golf course community the other isn't. Different pay brackets...
.

>I can't call it.
>I was just curious as to where they were positioned related to
>the surrounding area....
>but still
>
>
>I dunno if i'd classify them as the same type of development
>just because they were the same builder.
>One looks like a golf course community the other isn't.
>Different pay brackets...
>.

or 1st generation NICE homeowners lol

All that is 'required'

How many of us are?

How many dudes under 45 know home improvement n such? I mean there are pockets if niggas who do but there are far more who don't. ..we are a generation out of home ownership n such because our grandparents generation ain't have this issue...our parents generation was the catalyst because of drugs n jobs etc


It might correct itself down the road or it might not

and that comes from simply being Black and possibly not having decades of home ownership?? seriously....i'm trying not to miss your point.....

it's not just knowing how...

it's about being prepared both financially and mentally to be a homeowner

it's also a completely different cultural experience

so it's not about "taking care"

it's about knowing just how much more expensive it is than renting...and having a cushion or investment mentality and having like-minded neighbors that are equally prepared

really just wanted to know...but ok...


>it's not just knowing how...
>
>it's about being prepared both financially and mentally to be
>a homeowner
>
this is what i meant...sorry if you took it another way...

>it's also a completely different cultural experience
>
is it? how so? seriously....maybe i'm the exception, but i come from a few generations of land/home owners, i'm not sure what you're inferring...

>so it's not about "taking care"
>
>it's about knowing just how much more expensive it is than
>renting...and having a cushion or investment mentality and
>having like-minded neighbors that are equally prepared

well, yeah...but i've always thought all of this was common knowlege...you're saying it's not?

What makes a hood subpar (taking crime out of the picture)?

Upkeep imo

And yes laziness/triflingness are a factor as well when it comes to simple shit like cutting grass and removing litter...

but in general. ..yes

i agree that esp in lower income neighborhoods folks seem just not give a damn, which is wierd to me cause i'd think if you scaped to get something you'd take care of it better...

fresh shrubbery and flowers and sod out front

no old ass hooopties in front your house

bc out here in these Bowie suburbs...

u have the nice mixed neighborhoods with the nice houses...

a few nicer ones that target the financially reaching near-elite blacks...

the ones targeting the elite non-blacks...

and then the old white population with the shitty houses that are ancient and literally nothing in them...

there isn't enough of us upwardly mobile to really go into a struggling neighborhood and genuinely invest in it

1.) pop numbers
2.) urban flight of blacks
3.) financial overreaching
4.) lack of access to dat privilege

i do think some cultural issue contribute to why those things happen...but it's not the major hurdle it's often presented as...

i think being in such proximity to such upwardly mobile whites and not existing within that same privileged experience makes us think their ceilings are our ceilings without realizing that our floor is about the same as those poor low-end blue collar whites in those shitty suburb pockets happy to have a gas station nearby

like indians found their lil chosen enclaves of subdivisions and that's where the congregate.
Whites are all over
but the blacks seem to attract only to certain white subdivisions

yes, economics does play a part
but things being equal
like three subdivisions all being in the $250k-$500k range
blacks will dominate ONE of those three
yes, they may be in all three
but ONE of them will have the majority of blacks

as i said,
i can't call it
and there STILL don't be no black barbers out in these areas
gotta come to the city/hood for that

all this shit in houston is brand spanking new
because of sprawl
im seeing forest being cut down right NOW on these freeways to make new housing developments
here is a whole new CITY basically being cut out of thin blue air:
http://www.generationpark.com/

exxon did the same thing about 45mins west of here
bringing somehting like 40,000 of their employees from around the world to be consolidated in this one compound

Life's a little simpler (and less enrichening) if you don't have to navigate social, racial, cultural and/or economic differences at home.

Can't rule out the institutional level either.

People self segregate-- I don't know if that's the top reason, but I'd say it's up there.

Numbers-- I'd guess not a lot of black folks can afford to live where a lot of white folks live (assuming it's not a dumpy nabe or anything) and if they could afford they might still choose a black neighborhood just out of comfort.

I think there's enough in those two reason right there. Are there neighborhoods that try to keep non-whites out strictly on gp? Sure, but we can't really speculate on how few or many there are. Personally I don' think that model is rampant.

i don't know about y'all, but my grandma (on my mom side) was basically black hillbillies. type to keep grease in a can. seeing a roach over there was not surpising.

my grandma (on my dad side) moved to detroit real young. city girl. she keeps the crib immaculate to this day still.

People with class or respect for others and the earth don't throw trash on the ground or out their car windows.
In neighborhoods where this happens, people already see trash on the ground so the nhood doesn't look pretty to them; they just follow right along and throw shit on the ground and so on and so on.

i'm not convinced this is a race thing at all...

i think in his mind, the place is fine.

he goes through the place real good with his (dirty) mop every day.

vaccums (w/a old ass vaccuum) the (old-ass) rugs

i really don't think he sees how run-down the place is.

he prolly close up shop for the night. walk a few yards a way from the joint and stare at the joint proudly.

.

white folks get approval for home improvement loans in whiteyworld at far higher rates than darkies in blkwood.

>white folks get approval for home improvement loans in
>whiteyworld at far higher rates than darkies in blkwood.




these neighborhoods were built in 2001-2002
the homes were built mostly 2004-2007
therefore, home improvement loans don't factor into this
you shouldn't be remodeling your home that is only 6-10 years old
dont mean to chastise you but go back and read

and maintenence and repair needn't be the same thing.
white neighborhoods are policed in a way where petty property crimes are less frequent.

you betta stop talkin to me like you own me.

you are talking about home improvement loans and im telling you,
you will get looked at sideways trying to take out a loan like that if your house was built from scratch less than 5 years ago.

also, neither of these hoods are "violent" or have "crime"
actually, they just found a million dollar weed growing operation in the white hood two weeks ago.

we are talking about why black hoods have more unkept yards
more raggedy roofing shingles
more raggedy vinyl siding
all when the same houses/hoods were built at the same time in say 2004

you understand now?
home improvement loan dont got shit to do with you keeping your shrubs with a nice fresh edge up


you talkin bout police depts and im talking about powerwashing driveways and pointing bricks


>RE: when has need ever stopped a motherfucker from applying?
>and maintenence and repair needn't be the same thing.
>white neighborhoods are policed in a way where petty property
>crimes are less frequent.
>
>you betta stop talkin to me like you own me.

Very general terms. White people want a certain community and will compromise more on a home if it fits within their ideal community. Blacks want a home and will compromise on the community in order to get that style of home. The result is that the feeling of ownership for blacks only extend to their home and yard with very little overlap. What the nighbors do doesn't really concern them as long as it's not in their yard and not having a direct affect on them. White people claim ownrship over the entire community, which some black people take offense to because they either don't understand it or they feel like they're trying to get into their business.

Not every Black person is like that and watching the ones that are clash with the ones who aren't is a pretty awful pissing contest to witness. Unfortunately black people often do not pay attention to the culture of a community when they move in. They look at the affordability of the house without checking on the amenities or the CC&Rs.

Edit: For example Black people will want a neighborhood that is safe and near good schools. White people will want those things and add in swim/tennis or golf club community with an active HOA, and plenty of recreation, plus walking trails and open space.

It's interesting.

Some white folks attitudes about ownership definitely go beyond their property line. The attitude is, if I buy property in this community I should get a say in everything from hither to yon, including your yard and your house. It only take a few of those people to set up a board or association. The rest of the people in the neighborhood aren't keeping up their property because they are some how "naturally inclined" to take care of their homes more than us. They do it because they have to so they don't end up getting sued or fined by their HOA over the upkeep of their property. Where I grew up the HOA was quick to send out a notice if you left anything in your yard or your bushes weren't trimmed according to the approved shape. I'll never forget when my dad trimmed our bushes squarish instead of rhomboid. They sent our asses a letter real quick like, "Nigga, we're RHOMBOID around these parts!" It was crazy.

Many Black folks buy property for the opposite reason, so no one can tell them what to do with it. The attitude is, you bet not tell me shit about my property cus you don't own nothing over here. We are anti-authority by nature.

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Basically it boils down to the schools and for some reason schools in the whiter subdivisions are more sought after than the blacker schools which affect home values then the whole foreclosure sub prime thing