I finally saw Shutter Island. He definitely has a nigger quota. I've been ignoring it for far too long because I actually like a lot of his movies but this is just ridiculous.

The guy goes out of his way to get it in each movie he makes (or as many of them as possible) and to my recollection all the black characters in his movies reflect the racist stereotypes voiced by his racist protagonists.

Dude's a scumbag.

Also, if you are making a movie in Boston, someone is going to say it eventually.




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Now that I think of it, Good Will Hunting wouldn't have been the same if they had left that word out of it.

Or the Devil's own for that matter.

I see your point. No I don't.

say nigger in GWH. Not that it matters since it's not a Scorsese film.

it matters because he brought Boston into it to excuse use of the word

You have a point in GWH I guess.

The movie is set in the 50's in Boston is all I was saying. It was a part of the times, not saying its right.



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to use the word and most of his movies aren't in the 50s. I mean I think he was hiding behind the mafia movies and we accepted it in the context but he's way out of pocket. He's been doing it for 35 years. I honestly don't even wanna hear about QT being racist if you aren't going to start the convo with this guy.

And it brings to mind something Spike Lee said when Do The Right Thing came out:
People got mad about the fact that he didn't show the effects of drugs on the community,
and his response was "this is a movie about a community, but that doesn't mean I have to show every piece of the community."

well,
scorsese doesn't HAVE to show racism in so many of his movies either.

and if the excuse is that it helps to show how "bad" or "immoral" the characters are,
why can't those same characters be seen as immoral for the simple fact that they kill people,
or,
in the case of Shutter Island,
why can't the character be seen as crazy simply for the fact that he cut a woman up because of his paranoia?
the scene could have EASILY been cut before the quote in question and it would not have affected the movie for the worse.

Don't know if I'd bet against it.

now that i think of it you're right on... i have to go research which movies he's written, co-written, or the scripts he's overseen, but if it was an author or musician, the "pass" to use the term, wouldn't be so over looked. the fact he did not write shutter island is no excuse either. some movies need nigger used, others don't.

i don't know if i feel it changes my view on his body of work though

much of his work since the 2000s. So now it's glaring especially because his movies aren't even that good any more.

*shock*

If you grow up in that environment, you're gonna have some shit ingrained in you the rest of your life. Doesn't mean he's a harmful super racist, and I still fucks with his movies, but he's probably more racist than you or I

older than Keitel and DeNiro or Coppola. Coppola is probably the best comparison. I mean even if you are that way it's cool to keep reminding people every chance you get? We're obviously okay with it cuz he never gets called on it.

n/m

I finally saw the Departed. He definitely has a murder
quota. I've been ignoring it for far too long because I
actually like a lot of his movies but this is just ridiculous.

The guy goes out of his way to kill people in each movie he makes

Dude's a scumbag and should be locked up

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What I Didn’t Like:
*Making light of the use of the word nigger.

Lines of the Night:
*All stolen from the OP

Questions:
*What kind of person makes light of the use of the word nigger?
*What kind of person cosigns making light of the use of the word nigger?
*Why was that response so mad?

but still, like can you give me an actual number?

You get no points for that one.

lol @ you thinking my reply was angry

not surprising since you missed my point entirely

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N-bombs all over that one.

In one scene, cut due to time, Michelle Pfeiffer calls Daniel Day Lewis *N* about 40 times in 3 minutes. The writer’s commentary tells a story of Marty rubbing his hands together like an evil mastermind, cackling in conspiratorial glee, about how much he loves being racist.

I don’t think there’s any room to argue this point.

Did you just parachute in here to protect the integrity of the use of the word nigger? I mean we already know James Peach likes to habitually line step on race issues, but this is out of character for you Trebek.

As someone pointed out already, he's an old-school NY Italian. I mean, that isn't enough to convict, but chances are...

what now? Like, what do you want after people realize he's probably racist? What's the goal here?

First step to recovery.

otherwise the question is pointless.

not like they used to. that's not my fault.

Especially that part where Robbie Robertson makes everyone stop playing, makes them turn the house lights up, looks out into the crowd, assesses the situation, then leans into the microphone and says...

well, if you saw it, you know. Then he's all, "MAN, I feel better. Was that cool, Marty?" Then the camera pans over to Marty, and he's jerking off.

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Wonder how Spielberg managed to avoid it. Wonder how Coppola avoided it so much. Wonder how Kubrick, Nichols, Edwards and gee, I don't know, most working directors in Hollywood seemed to avoid using nigger so much in their movies. It's puzzling.

Or hear Indiana Jones muttering it under his breath
Or Munich
Or War of the Worlds
Or The Terminal
Or Catch me if you can
or Minority Report
Or AI
Or Saving Private Ryan
Or Jurassic Park
Or Schindler's List
Or Hook

And I dont see how Coppola works it into Dracula etc

I mean, if you watch his movies, you know what sort of content and characters he generally uses

and sadly, these characters use that word in theory

Cops in Boston
Gangs in an uber divided and ultra nationalistic early New York
Mafia Guido's
A Bat shit insane taxi driver who is disgusted by everyone around him

I still think he could cut it out of a lot of scenes and often uses it as a crutch (ala QT) but it does indeed fit with the way most of his characters would speak. It's not like people who make similar movies really avoid it (Coppola had a pretty pointless use of it in The Godfather).

And they say to leave it in the black neighborhood? It didn't bother me. Coppola didn't run with it. You admitted yourself Marty overuses it. You can't tell me that scene in Shutter Island didn't come out of nowhere, just like when Nicholson said it in The Departed.


And he's not the only director to make movies about anti-heroes.

Fight Club wasn't riddled with use of the word or at all actually.

>And they say to leave it in the black neighborhood? It didn't
>bother me. Coppola didn't run with it. You admitted yourself
>Marty overuses it. You can't tell me that scene in Shutter
>Island didn't come out of nowhere, just like when Nicholson
>said it in The Departed.

I thought it fit in The Departed and helped set up the character.

on these boards. I let it slide. But Shutter Island, it was blatant and uncomfortable and has convinced me of what he's about.

supposed to be

An old school gangster white guy from Southie?

I guess people just aren't familiar enough with that type of person to think it anything out of the ordinary

That shit was authentic, sadly

don't have to use that word to make the point Nicholson's character was racist. After that throw away line, race doesn't even come back up in the movie. It has no bearing whatsoever on the plot.

>don't have to use that word to make the point Nicholson's
>character was racist. After that throw away line, race doesn't
>even come back up in the movie. It has no bearing whatsoever
>on the plot.

he opens the movie with footage of the busing riots of the 70's, which highlights the highly insular and violently intolerant us against the outside world nature of southie, which has alot of bearing on the plot of the movie. he didn't necessarily have to drop the n-word in there to drive the point home, but it wasn't pointless, it served a purpose.

his use of the word. I question him as a man. I think he should be questioned about it more publically. Because he's made good and memorable movies he's gotten a free pass.

and I haven't seen Shutter Island yet myself.

You can argue for its use in other pieces but I was actually put off when I heard it in Shutter Island.

but it's clear you don't, so I wont

He was trying to demonstrate an attitude formed by a tribal like neighborhood coupled with the busing shit in the 70's

who doesn't know southie is racist? makes him forcing the issue that much more suspect. that's akin to saying you gotta add nigger in movies about Mississippi so people understand it's a racist place. really? those are both places where their reputations precede them. Southie doesn't need Scorsese's help nor does any Italian borough in New York.

WE KNOW DUDE. HE JUST RACIST.

extremely anti outsiders

But like I said, you really don't know about Southie so...


>who doesn't know southie is racist? makes him forcing the
>issue that much more suspect. that's akin to saying you gotta
>add nigger in movies about Mississippi so people understand
>it's a racist place. really? those are both places where their
>reputations precede them. Southie doesn't need Scorsese's help
>nor does any Italian borough in New York.
>
>WE KNOW DUDE. HE JUST RACIST.

how does that word convey what you're saying? I'm being serious here.


We've already established a few things:

He's used the word a lot and not when he needed to.

He put himself in a movie saying the word in the most malicious way possible.

The Departed is based on an HK film

He didn't have to do it

on a real life Southie Gangster

Then again, you wouldnt because you dont know anything about southie

defending the historical integrity of the film.

since it spoke to the hypocrisy of a bunch of white criminals pretending what they were doing was fine as long as they filtered it through the black community.

and i do agree that Scorsese overuses it.. just not that it makes him racist.

He could have said "blacks" and gotten the same point across. Granted, that's not really authentic but it could have been avoided. I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much as his characters actually do.

if you're talking about the godfather, if i remember right he said "the dark people, the colored... they're animals anyway so let them lose their souls"

just as bad if not worse but still...

I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that
>they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the
>fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much
>as his characters actually do.

yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a knock on its greatness)

>if you're talking about the godfather, if i remember right he
>said "the dark people, the colored... they're animals anyway
>so let them lose their souls"
>
>just as bad if not worse but still...
>
> I think Scorsese knows those people and knows that
>>they use the word all the time but doesn't think about the
>>fact that that doesn't mean that he shouldn't use it as much
>>as his characters actually do.
>
>yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because
>it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much
>more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but
>GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a
>knock on its greatness)

where Sonny says "niggers are having a good time with our policy banks up in Harlem, drivin’ them big new Cadillacs", right before shutting up Carlo by saying "We don't discuss business at the table."

it's also in GFII when Frank Pentangeli asks Michael for permission to kill the Rosato brothers:

"They recruit spics, they recruit niggers. And they do violence in their Grandmother's neighborhoods. And everything with them is whores -- whores! La vegana -- junk, dope! And they leave the gambling for last. Now I want to run my family without you on my back, and I want those Rosato brothers dead!"

so yeah Coppola doesn't throw it around as much as Scorcese, but he did use it a few times.


>yeah, mob guys in the 70s loved the godfather so much because
>it's how they likex to picture mob life. goodfellas is much
>more raw. granted they're dealing with lower level guys, but
>GF is almost a fairy tale world for those guys (that's not a
>knock on its greatness)

oh absolutely.

>where Sonny says "niggers are having a good time with our
>policy banks up in Harlem, drivin’ them big new Cadillacs",
>right before shutting up Carlo by saying "We don't discuss
>business at the table."
>
>it's also in GFII when Frank Pentangeli asks Michael for
>permission to kill the Rosato brothers:
>
>"They recruit spics, they recruit niggers. And they do
>violence in their Grandmother's neighborhoods. And everything
>with them is whores -- whores! La vegana -- junk, dope! And
>they leave the gambling for last. Now I want to run my family
>without you on my back, and I want those Rosato brothers
>dead!"
>
>so yeah Coppola doesn't throw it around as much as Scorcese,
>but he did use it a few times.

Scorsese would work it into these movies:

Munich - pissed off israeli after Olympics killing says sand nigger in hebrew in reference to the terrorist

The Terminal - airport employee says it to Tom Hanks in mid convo for no reason. Tom Hanks gives blank look because he does not understand the word.

Catch me if you can - FBI Agent 3 sharing smoke with Tom Hanks pines for the good old days when hippies and niggers weren't running wild and knew their place.

Minority Report - Scorsese would never do a movie about or referring to minorities

Saving Private Ryan - Toooooooo easy

Jurassic Park - T-rex would have said it when he killed Samuel L. Jackson. Like the Deep Blue Sea scene without the dignity. Oh you forget how Marty did Sam already?

Schindler's List - Concentration Camp Prisoner 1 to CCP 2, "Why are they treating us like the niggers?"

Coppola could have used it way more in those 3 Godfathers but had restraint and wasn't malicious in use. Could have done it more in Apocalypse now, Rumble Fish, The Outsiders. He had plenty of chances.

And let's not act like Marty is the only director that makes crime movies. He just gets pleas copped for him because he makes those movies. But Michael Mann makes those movies, Oliver Stone makes them and many, many other no names make those movies but somehow haven't abused use of the word like Marty. Good old Marty.


Oh and I ain't even dropped the ether. None of those directors, not a one cast themself in a role where they pine about killing a nigger dead for having sex with his wife. Why Marty? Why you do that?

>Minority Report - Scorsese would never do a movie about or
>referring to minorities

LMAO


>Jurassic Park - T-rex would have said it when he killed Samuel
>L. Jackson. Like the Deep Blue Sea scene without the dignity.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080411/animals/Deep-Blue-Jackson-shark_l.jpg <-- dignity

The Shining bathroom scene, for instance.

I don't think Stanley used it that much.
Eyes Wide?
2001?
Barry Lyndon?
Dr Strange?
Spartacus?
FMJ? (maybe)
A Clockwork Orange?
Lolita?

Be real with me.

You're giving him a pass because he didn't use it in Spartacus or his other movies that barely had any black people in them?

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>You're giving him a pass because he didn't use it in
>Spartacus or his other movies that barely had any black people
>in them?



I think it might even make it worse. He creates a world where black people are on the periphery and subject to the hate of the protagonists. He dehumanizes black people and that's why audiences have accepted his use of the term.

I think his problem is that he often tries to shoehorn black people or race relations in (be it in The Departed or Gangs of New York) but then, in keeping with the characters, he has them drop N-bombs so it basically defeats the purpose.

Most directors would have just cut out any race issues from Gangs of New York or The Departed.

the race issues Marty dives right into in the opening of The Departed serve to highlight the highly insular and violently intolerant us against the outside world nature of southie. So it does serve a purpose and isn't just shoehorned in for no reason, although you could say he didn't need to go about it in that manner though. But in Gangs of New York the climax of the movie is set in the NYC draft riots, which was inextricably linked to race. To completely cut out race issues from the movie would have been simply ahistorical.

>and to my recollection all
>the black characters in his movies reflect the racist
>stereotypes voiced by his racist protagonists.

...apparently nothing can be racist in 2010 ever. So, lets all just be okay with giving racists more of our money to make more movies with the word "nigger nigger nigger" in it. We love it. Awesome....


Speaking of which, you hear Tarantino's making a movie about slavery? Bound to be alotta "niggers" in there too.

*shrug*

it's funny (or sad?) when white people go out of their way to defend all his usages of it -- this post, for example.

he also thinks Roman Polanksi was unfairly arrested, so we aren't talking about the most morally bright guy. brilliant filmmaker though.

Guy might be ignorant on certain issue or insensitive about others but I just save the term "racist" for the real loons.

he's known to go at big name directors over racial shit the way he did with Eastwood and QT

i know Spike and Marty are friends but i don't see him sitting silent if he really felt Marty was putting it out there like that.

in ghostbusters uniforms using spikeleeometers on 35 mm measuring racism.

>Guy might be ignorant on certain issue or insensitive about
>others but I just save the term "racist" for the real loons.

you don't have to be a card-carrying member of the Aryan Nations to be racist.

because i think there's a distinction to be made here

being a "racist" is not some supreme dividing line, where Ghandis exist on one side and KKK Grand Wizards define the other. I think (white) people are just afraid that they could like a so-called racist director. but like I said, being a racist has it's variances.

i'm saying i don't believe marty is harboring racist feelings that he expresses through his movies (subconsciously or not). but i do believe he can go overboard with what he believes to be a realistic portrayal of certain whites/italians.

no distinction to be made. you're just scared to admit he might be racist, so saying he's "subconsciously going overboard" sounds better.

and the whites/Italians realism clause is getting thin. you know how close that is to giving Larry Clark a pass for teen sex scenes?

>you're just scared to admit he
>might be racist, so saying he's "subconsciously going
>overboard" sounds better.

can't wait to check for the next one later. gotta go to work lol

.

I mean, which characters in Shutter Island did he want to be black during that time era?

If Scorsese makes a Cold Mountain-ish flick, and the black people are only slaves in it, will people say, "Oh, the usual Scorsese racism"?

I do agree in general though. He does go out of his way to include it in most movies. Shutter Island was a really bad example to use though.

I didn't think the issue was with the lack of African-American actors in Shutter Island, it was the fact that Scorsese still found time to drop an N-bomb or two in that film when it seemed unnecessary.

When was the N-word used in Shutter Island? I'm not saying it wasn't there, perhaps I missed it... but thanks to PTP, I'm definitely aware of the whole racist-Scorsese thesis and I'm stunned that I didn't notice it.

out of nowhere he talks about wanting to kill niggers or wanting them to die ir something like that. It was like an even crazier version of a Travis Bickle rant.

Although I find it far more iffy when a main character like Joe Pesci or Jack Nicholson uses it... I barely even remember the specifics of that scene.

...since inexplicably I became more absorbed in the story than in the PTP 'gendas, lol.

like the work of someone who is morally at odds with how they see themselves (you obviously don't). So making accusations against those people is like making an attack on them, in their mind. Therefore they feel the need to defend this person as if they were defending themselves. The sad part is their inability to separate the two ideas might mean they do indeed share some of the artist's moral flaws.

The road to recovery starts with one step. Hope they learn to do better. If one, just one can see my point, I will consider this post a success.


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Is Scorcese racist? Who gives a shit.
Is Tarantino racist? Don't care.

If we start judging artists (especially genius ones like scorcese) for their off-putting behavior when they are not at work, i'd run of out people to like in nearly every medium.

Is Scorcese racist? Probably. Goodfellas is still fuckin great.

Miles wasn't beating on broads in the background of Sketches of Spain.

Marty does seem to unnecessarily and casually insert extreme racism in films that don't need it. What did the Boston busing riots have to do with the rest of The Departed? Why did we have to hear this crazy guy in Shutter Island talking about how he wants to kill all the black people? Did we need to see such a gratuitous lynching in Gangs of New York?

Is Scorsese racist? No idea. A lot of his earlier films deploy racist language very effectively (de-romanticizing gangsters). Lately, it's hard to justify.

Why bring in a completely different man from a completely different line of work? And to top it off, Miles admitted he beat women!!!!!

If Marty admitted he was racist this would not be a post.

Lt. Major Analogy Fail, over and out

His early films are very effective with it's racist language, especially b/c Hollywood would never show TRUE racism. But as of late it's almost self-parody.

I don't think he's racist, I think like someone else mentioned he loves racial tension or thinks he's showing the underbelly of society still by having it in his films. Not saying he's successful or right, just saying that's what his intentions are.

That's real life there. New York. Boston. The era in which Shutter is set. Racism is part of the fabric of the story, like it or not.

Yeah, Marty's probably got a hard-on for racial tension and goes in a little too deep, but that's how he sees the world, coming from his background. Is it politically correct? Nope. It's what he does as an artist, not necessarily who he is as a person.

Howard Hughes was well-known for being a racist and Marty could have easily pounced on that theme. Did he? Nope.

One thing you might be overlooking is all the stereotyped Italian douchebags (this is his OWN tribe, mind you) and members of other races he's also portrayed negatively in his films. It's life on the street, hyper-realized through cinematic storytelling. Marty's never been kind to ANY people, period. It's almost a cliché.

Whatever you think, you can't deny the genius of the man. Go watch Raging Bull a few times and come back in here.

-The Departed is not a realistic crime movie. It's a slick, if dark and violent, fantasy crime world.

-Shutter Island is a Hitchockian psychological thriller.

-Gangs of New York is a larger-than-life, color-coded Leone-esque epic.


>Howard Hughes was well-known for being a racist and Marty
>could have easily pounced on that theme. Did he? Nope.

Probably because he had to get a PG-13. Or maybe Leo just wouldn't go there.


>It's life on the street, hyper-realized through
>cinematic storytelling. Marty's never been kind to ANY people,
>period. It's almost a cliché.

That's what bothers me. It is a cliche. Just like Casino confirmed that Marty had a hard-on for stomach-churning violence that did nothing to enhance the story, Shutter Island seems to confirm he has a hard on for head-turning displays of racism that don't add either.

Lots of directors have their idiosyncrasies. Marty's seem to be heads in vices and murderous bigotry. He's a great artist but it doesn't mean I have to love these aspects of his work.

And these aren't just "Damn, I feel offended, poor me," moments. I know more than a few knucklehead white guys who LOVED the casual displays of racism in Departed for exactly the wrong reasons. Marty should know better.

whole post. That's my only point of contention. It's a gussied up and a bit glamorized story fairly closely following a true story

kinda


>-The Departed is not a realistic crime movie. It's a slick,
>if dark and violent, fantasy crime world.
>
>-Shutter Island is a Hitchockian psychological thriller.
>
>-Gangs of New York is a larger-than-life, color-coded
>Leone-esque epic.
>
>
>>Howard Hughes was well-known for being a racist and Marty
>>could have easily pounced on that theme. Did he? Nope.
>
>Probably because he had to get a PG-13. Or maybe Leo just
>wouldn't go there.
>
>
>>It's life on the street, hyper-realized through
>>cinematic storytelling. Marty's never been kind to ANY
>people,
>>period. It's almost a cliché.
>
>That's what bothers me. It is a cliche. Just like Casino
>confirmed that Marty had a hard-on for stomach-churning
>violence that did nothing to enhance the story, Shutter Island
>seems to confirm he has a hard on for head-turning displays of
>racism that don't add either.
>
>Lots of directors have their idiosyncrasies. Marty's seem to
>be heads in vices and murderous bigotry. He's a great artist
>but it doesn't mean I have to love these aspects of his work.
>
>And these aren't just "Damn, I feel offended, poor me,"
>moments. I know more than a few knucklehead white guys who
>LOVED the casual displays of racism in Departed for exactly
>the wrong reasons. Marty should know better.
>
>

I already told you i was willing to let it go in the Departed but after this latest use I question it. He deserves to be questioned about it. Pretty plain and simple.

Departed was a remake of a Hong Kong action thriller that threw in some Whitey Bulger aspects to Nicholson's character.

There's very little in that movie that you'd confuse with a realistic police/crime drama. Needless to say, Whitey Bulger was NOT gunned down by his police mole after a micro-chip deal gone bad with some Chinese triad types.

If Scorsese really wanted to make a Goodfellas-type "this is what the life is/was like" movie about the Boston police force, with all its ugly aspects (including racism), I would whole-heartedly support it. But that's not at all what Departed is.

So we can make the argument he threw in the riots and whitety bulger character so he could use nigger. My man be inventin scenarios to justify the use of nigger in his movies and people be otay with it.

he's a smart man. he racist but he smart.

>Departed was a remake of a Hong Kong action thriller that
>threw in some Whitey Bulger aspects to Nicholson's character.
>
>
>There's very little in that movie that you'd confuse with a
>realistic police/crime drama. Needless to say, Whitey Bulger
>was NOT gunned down by his police mole after a micro-chip deal
>gone bad with some Chinese triad types.
>
>If Scorsese really wanted to make a Goodfellas-type "this is
>what the life is/was like" movie about the Boston police
>force, with all its ugly aspects (including racism), I would
>whole-heartedly support it. But that's not at all what
>Departed is.
>
>
>
>
>

>So we can make the argument he threw in the riots and whitety
>bulger character so he could use nigger. My man be inventin
>scenarios to justify the use of nigger in his movies and
>people be otay with it.
>
>he's a smart man. he racist but he smart.

LOL

>>So we can make the argument he threw in the riots and
>whitety
>>bulger character so he could use nigger. My man be inventin
>>scenarios to justify the use of nigger in his movies and
>>people be otay with it.
>>
>>he's a smart man. he racist but he smart.
>
>LOL

had I known that I wouldnt have gone through the trouble of responding in the first place

and you are postin REAL Maxxxxxx trying to defend a flawed position

factual integrity fail. Marty racist.

goes horribly wrong.

That, ladies and germs, is the basic summary of this post.


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I don't understand why this can't be an issue.

Or do you have more of a problem with how the poster presented his idea?

You and I BOTH know that this is not a new subject at all,
and Scorsese certainly is not the only filmmaker to receive such a criticism.

Okay, so (almost all of) Martin Scorsese's movies have one character say "nigger" in them. What now? What does the OP suggest We As A People do about this? More importantly, what is HE going to do about it? Stop patronizing Martin Scorsese movies? Stage protests outside Scorsese's production offices? Fire off an angry letter or email to him?

This poster has offered no real solutions for himself or others to cope or deal with this issue (and yes, it IS an issue) aside from the purposefully vague "just admit that there is a problem, that's the first step." But offering a solution, personal or otherwise, is not the purpose of this post, and I think some of you know that.

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I think the OP is simply saying that it should be an issue that people broach when discussing his movies. We aren't really in a position to do much (although maybe getting a boycott threat going could at least bring some national attention to the issue) but I don't think people should just ignore it or pretend it isn't there.

I wouldn't go so far to call him a "racist" but I do think he definitely is too liberal with the n-word and he might have forgotten that the word has a far greater impact that just making his films seem gritty or authentic.

>I think the OP is simply saying that it should be an issue
>that people broach when discussing his movies. We aren't
>really in a position to do much (although maybe getting a
>boycott threat going could at least bring some national
>attention to the issue) but I don't think people should just
>ignore it or pretend it isn't there.
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>I wouldn't go so far to call him a "racist" but I do think he
>definitely is too liberal with the n-word and he might have
>forgotten that the word has a far greater impact that just
>making his films seem gritty or authentic.

We can stop patronizing his films. Speak with our wallets, if we so choose. And yes, that's a realistic -- and probably only viable -- option at this point. But it's a solution.

I personally have a minor issue with the use of nigger by any white filmmaker, but if I say I don't really care that much to act on it then I'm told that I'm "mad," in denial, and supporting racists, not to mention have no knowledge of self.

Whatever.

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>We can stop patronizing his films.

I might do this

Speak with our wallets,
>if we so choose. And yes, that's a realistic -- and probably
>only viable -- option at this point. But it's a solution.

True

>I personally have a minor issue with the use of nigger by any
>white filmmaker, but if I say I don't really care that much to
>act on it then I'm told that I'm "mad," in denial, and
>supporting racists, not to mention have no knowledge of self.
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>Whatever.
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That's all you had to say and KIM. but you assumed what my response would be and went on the attack. not even nearly necessary, even a little bit. do you not see the issue here? you self-fulfilled your prophesy and posted mad. you used the bush doctrine my brother.

How do we as consumers let Marty know the reason why we are not seeing his films?

A website?
www.scorsese-stop-it.com?

Personally,
I feel that the best thing any of us can do is to make our own movies,
but that is easier said than done.

but i have not being convinced by the any of you guys trying to defend it. there are two directors that seem to "work" the n word into movies.
1)Tarantino
2)Scorcese

Personally with Martin, I find it less jarring except that needless scene in departed. With Tarantino, I just want to punch him in the mouth because he clearly enjoys it or is deluded into thinking it makes his movies more edgy. And he's the type of douche bag that would say it in real life not because he is racist but because he think he is "down" with black folk. Some shit about his mother having black boyfriends.

With that said, a few pointless n-words, will probably not ruin my enjoyment of a movie and both of these dudes have made some great movies.

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(like 80 percent of Hollywood), you fly off the handle and go rabid on everyone. I've seen you on regular occasion preemptively calling people niggers because they might say something you don't like. You're a mod and supposedly in the industry. Act like a pro, bro. Nobody's trying to hurt your feelings. It isn't a good look.

I'ma say it one more time: try coming with some solutions instead of faking the armchair activist role and/or trying to suss out who's "down" or not.

You're mad at Martin for his use of "nigger." Do something about it other than bitching on a message board and hoping for 100% cosigns.

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why does it bother you that i wanna talk about it? why is talking about it bad? things happen after people talk about it. i'm talkin about it. people are thinking about it. you mad about it. That's doing something.

I don't need your cosigns. i don't need your participation. you came in here mad because I didn't make the post you wanted me to make? are you sure you wanna admit to this?

>I'ma say it one more time: try coming with some solutions
>instead of faking the armchair activist role and/or trying to
>suss out who's "down" or not.
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>You're mad at Martin for his use of "nigger." Do something
>about it other than bitching on a message board and hoping for
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>you came in here mad because I didn't make the post you wanted
>me to make? are you sure you wanna admit to this?

Then you're denser than initially thought.

Let me be fuckin' clear here: you can post whatever the fuck you want, joe. But you certainly shouldn't get your panties in a bunch and go on the (snark) attack when folks don't agree with your stance. I voiced my objections to the post. People disagree with other people all the time on message boards. Cry about it.

And since we want to talk about "all you had to do," all YOU had to do was add a SOLUTION or two to what you believe is a problem. Instead, it's YOU who's following just about every response in here with some bullshit about "can we just get people to admit that he's racist and it's a problem." No, other people don't have to "admit" a goddamn thing, and you can't go around upset because people aren't seeing this blatant and obvious racism that you've sussed out without offering any hint of a solution other than "well if we can just get people to admit it, it's a start." No.

The only motherfucker who's "mad "in here is the cat who is responding to everyone about how they're in denial about the obvious racism of Martin Scorsese, as evidenced by certain characters' usage of the word "nigger" in his films. We agree that it's oftentimes unnecessary. But the fact is that it's there, and, whether we like it or not, will probably be there again in the future. So, what's the solution? How will YOU deal with this issue besides trying to pied piper message board niggas into joining "the cause?"

And now you want to play the message board martyr? Great. Stay on that tack if you must, but don't get pissy when cats come and call you on your bullshit.

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>>you came in here mad because I didn't make the post you
>wanted
>>me to make? are you sure you wanna admit to this?
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>Then you're denser than initially thought.

I'm pretty sure there was more in my post than what you decided to address up there.


>Let me be fuckin' clear here: you can post whatever the fuck
>you want, joe. But you certainly shouldn't get your panties
>in a bunch and go on the (snark) attack when folks don't agree
>with your stance.

I'm quite calm and collected actually. If we look at the tape we'll see you being your mad self, not actually having a civilized conversation and trying to clown, as usual.

I voiced my objections to the post.

Tryn'a clown is called voicing an objection? Maybe in the fifth grade. In grown up land we articulate our objections.

People
>disagree with other people all the time on message boards.
>Cry about it.

You came through the door crying and wringing your hands as always and then tried to get indignant when i called you on it, as you always do when people post things you don't like *stomps feet, crosses arms and sticks out lower lip in Zoo pouting fashion*

>And since we want to talk about "all you had to do," all YOU
>had to do was add a SOLUTION or two to what you believe is a
>problem. Instead, it's YOU who's following just about every
>response in here with some bullshit about "can we just get
>people to admit that he's racist and it's a problem." No,
>other people don't have to "admit" a goddamn thing, and you
>can't go around upset because people aren't seeing this
>blatant and obvious racism that you've sussed out without
>offering any hint of a solution other than "well if we can
>just get people to admit it, it's a start." No.

You're mad about a message on a message board? You're actually upset I didn't provide you a ten point plan with google maps and flow charts? on a message board? First Amendment wept.

>The only motherfucker who's "mad "in here is the cat who is
>responding to everyone about how they're in denial about the
>obvious racism of Martin Scorsese, as evidenced by certain
>characters' usage of the word "nigger" in his films.

Because people are never in denial about anything and have never been ever in history? You call me mad but you're calling me out of my name. You're calling me a derogatory name and calling me mad? And you have a track record of doing this. I haven't used any of that language with you. How do you figure I'm mad? I'm not even mad you did it but it, but it is ironic.

We agree
>that it's oftentimes unnecessary.

This might actually be the first time you admitted this so I didn't know there was any agreement.


But the fact is that it's
>there, and, whether we like it or not, will probably be there
>again in the future.

Like slavery and Jim Crow? Like blackface? Like minstrel shows?

So, what's the solution? How will YOU
>deal with this issue besides trying to pied piper message
>board niggas into joining "the cause?"

I already answered that.

>And now you want to play the message board martyr? Great.
>Stay on that tack if you must, but don't get pissy when cats
>come and call you on your bullshit.

I'm talking to you. Not anyone else. I addressed you directly about your actions and you avoided it. I told you about your ways and you ignored it. There is nothing to martyr over here. There is nothing to be mad about. You talked slick and I called you on it. You talked disrespectful and I called you on it. This is about you making everything about you and then tryna back out like you got attacked. Own up to your words and actions. I didn't ask you to come in here and talk about me but you exposed yourself (again), to be weak minded and sensitive when I called you on your shenanigans.

I look forward to more of the same kirk outs in tonight's Lost posts.

A quick check of the post count in here reveals who's really mad, but okay. Good luck with this armchair activist crusade of yours.

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everyone who disagrees with your "stance."

I'm having "temper tantrums" and "kirking out" and "pouting," yet it's you who's going after everyone who disagrees with your stance. If you really thought you were onto some righteous shit, my brotha, you'd simply ignore the naysayers and keep it pushin'. It's become pretty clear that not many minds here are going to be changed, especially since this is about the 549,382th time this topic has been brought up around here. Sucks for you.

And since you're feeling so persecuted, perhaps you should check out The Last Temptation of Christ. I don't recall anyone saying "nigger" in that.

I'm done.

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although I dunno that he absolutely needed to put in in there. but it wasn't just gratuitously put in there for no reason like ppl are saying.

agreed on the rest of this though.

and he's just being real about it?
i would probably believe that before i'd believe that he himself is a racist just for putting it in his movies

Why is that so hard to believe? Why?

so i can't make a fair conclusion on whether the man is himself a racist.
i know that he knows spike lee, tho
and produced movies with him
and that he's on the dvd bonus documentary of the making of malcolm x saying its one of the best movies he's ever seen
and i know spike shits on tarantino for how he uses nigger in his movies (sam jack, too)
but as far as i know he's never said shit about scorcese having it in his movies
and i find it hard to believe that the man would be a racist and also be friends with arguably the most controversial black filmmaker ever
maybe he is, but i don't think so

i just think white people still be saying nigger all the time
and he's someone who doesn't choose to censor it out of his flicks

You're telling a story, the story isn't necessarily you.

given that the subliminal storyline of Shutter Island involves Nazism(eugenics) i did not find the nigger qoute to be offensive.

Is Martin S. racist? You know what i don't give a shit.

Operation Paperclip, MKUltra. Do some homework son.

Also, grr, I'm mad.

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>given that the subliminal storyline of Shutter Island
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If Martin S. is a racist then so is Lee Daniels.

And guess what i still don't give a shit. I mean posts like this kill me. Obama has received more death threats than any other president.

Have you really forgotten where you living at son?

"I think Martin S. is racist"
GTFOHWTB
lol
Gee, oh really?
Woooow
I've never known a racist(lol) thanks for informing me.



Oh if you hadn't heard Walt Disney was probably waaaay more racist than Martin S. could ever be and was a pedophile as well.

Martin used nigger in his film. Quentin used nigger in his film.
Y'all kill me.

Given the subject matter of SI and the particular scene the word was used in it was not inappropriate.

>If Martin S. is a racist then so is Lee Daniels.

Based on what? I explained how I got to my conclusion. I have over 30 years of film to point to.

>And guess what i still don't give a shit. I mean
>posts like this kill me. Obama has received more
>death threats than any other president.

Yet you came back in here to post. It kills me when people say they don't care about something but feel the need to express that. Oxymoron much? And what do death threats to the Pres have to do with this? Did Scorsese make a movie about it? Lee Daniels?

>Have you really forgotten where you living at son?

You have apparently because you're defending him and seemingly telling me racism is everywhere. You're straight contradicting yourself.

>"I think Martin S. is racist"
>GTFOHWTB
>lol
>Gee, oh really?
>Woooow
>I've never known a racist(lol) thanks for informing
>me.

Why are you mad?

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>Oh if you hadn't heard Walt Disney was probably waaaay
> more racist than Martin S. could ever be and was a
>pedophile as well.

Make a post about it. I might even respond.

>Martin used nigger in his film. Quentin used nigger in
> his film.
>Y'all kill me.

But use of nigger liberally by white directors is A-OK.

>Given the subject matter of SI and the particular scene
> the word was used in it was not inappropriate.

It did nothing for the advancement of that scene or the plot of the movie. If that word is taken out, how does it change the movie?

peace queen.

Takes a lotta folk to get a movie made,
studio heads
producers
screenwriters
from what I understand of the movie business several people are involved in whether or not a project gets the greenlight.

See one reason why i have an issue with what you are saying is because you point the finger at ONE MAN.

Many of Scorcese's films have been about racist pricks. America is full of racist pricks as well as other riff raff. I don't have a problem with all slices of the American culture being shown on screen.


Now if Scorsese and his films are offensive to you why are you still watching them.

>Takes a lotta folk to get a movie made,
>studio heads
>producers
>screenwriters
>from what I understand of the movie business several
>people are involved in whether or not a project gets the
>greenlight.

Why do you keep changing your arguments? You say some stuff, I respond, you change to something else. You keep inventing new reasons why what I said couldn't possibly be true.

>See one reason why i have an issue with what you are
>saying is because you point the finger at ONE MAN.

Is he not the director? Is it not his vision? Does he not have a say? I mentioned a whole bunch of other directors that collaborate with the same people to get a movie made and they don't keep using that word.

>Many of Scorcese's films have been about racist pricks.
>America is full of racist pricks as well as other
>riff raff.

Why can't he be a "racist prick?" D.W. Griffith made a movie about racists. So did Leni Riefenstahl. Are you ready to give them passes too?

I don't have a problem with all slices
>of the American culture being shown on screen.

Neither do I.
>
>Now if Scorsese and his films are offensive to you
>why are you still watching them.

I addressed that in the OG post that you responded to. Again, why is it impossible for him to be racist? You haven't answered that question.

But he ain't racist. He has characters that use a word that those characters would use. I mean, I think that's what your problem is here. If you had said "I don't like Marty's excessive use of the word 'nigger' in his films, and I think it's telling that he thinks it's okay to do so." Especially since he only wrote two of the movies you mentioned. Hell, even if you were like "Scorsese is ignorant" I'd be all "Yeah, man. Now that you mention it, I can see that." But he ain't racist. I wish cats weren't so damn quick to use that word about shit like this because it takes the power out of it when you use it to criticize someone who *is* being racist. Because then they can hide behind you calling wolf on it.

FYI Just in case you forgot....

rac·ism
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Unless you got a dictionary that has "3. Directing a film in which fictional characters use racial epithets."

>FYI Just in case you forgot....

>rac·ism
>n.
>1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
>character or ability and that a particular race is superior to
>others.
>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
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>Unless you got a dictionary that has "3. Directing a film in
>which fictional characters use racial epithets."



This response is racially insensitive and patronizing and in large part illustrates why racism will continue to to be a problem in our society.

you're the one that made the post making assumptions based on weak evidence.

He has characters that use a word that
>those characters would use.

I agree that Scorsese has characters that very well might use racial epithets.
My problem is with the fact that these characters uniformly DO use racial epithets.
And it is almost more upsetting to me that they do so only once or twice per movie,
because if the excuse is that these characters would be racist/use racist words,
why has he not had more characters that use a barrage of racial epithets?
I don't mind it as much in Taxi Driver because here is a character that is clearly mad and hates everyone
and uses his language to show it.
But in so many other Marty pictures the words are simply thrown out off hand as if it is no big deal.

And maybe some of us do make too big of a deal about it,
but I think it is something Marty could address.


Also,
if it is just about the character type,
than why don't more filmmakers casually use racial epithets in their films?
At least when Clint did it in Gran Torino he went all out.
So who is sugarcoating things?
The other filmmakers who make gangster pictures withOUT these words,
or Marty for only using them once or twice per film?

I know Marty did in his cameo...

Which really wasn't necessary/beneficical in any dramatic sense.

Seemed gratuitous to me...

Not that this necessarily has a great deal of bearing, however.

I've always assumed, why I don't know, that this line somehow originated w/Scorsese.

you look at his body of work.

that movie was so ridiculous. you get a character who's seemingly the most racist guy ever.. a guy who's not capable of having a conversation without saying gook/zipperhead/beaner/spook (y'know, in case we forget he's racist) this guy was on a youtube comment section level of hate rhetoric, but he somehow he manages to avoid the worst slur of all.

>I agree that Scorsese has characters that very well might use
>racial epithets.
>My problem is with the fact that these characters uniformly DO
>use racial epithets.
>And it is almost more upsetting to me that they do so only
>once or twice per movie,
>because if the excuse is that these characters would be
>racist/use racist words,
>why has he not had more characters that use a barrage of
>racial epithets?

I don't get this logic at all. most of Scorsese's characters aren't guys who spend their days thinking about how they hate black people, they're ignorant criminals who grew up in isolated environments. sometimes that ignorance surfaces in conversations. as long as it comes off natural i don't see a problem, but that's just me. in his earlier stuff it felt that way. in his most recent work he clearly forces it, causing people to look at him sideways.

even with tarantino i thought it worked fine in resevoir dogs, but in pulp fiction the whole dead ni***r storage scene came off as a ridiculous whiteboy fantasy (but QT's issues with race... and feet are pretty clear).

>I don't get this logic at all. most of Scorsese's characters
>aren't guys who spend their days thinking about how they hate
>black people, they're ignorant criminals who grew up in
>isolated environments. sometimes that ignorance surfaces in
>conversations. as long as it comes off natural i don't see a
>problem, but that's just me. in his earlier stuff it felt that
>way. in his most recent work he clearly forces it, causing
>people to look at him sideways.


Well said.

>that movie was so ridiculous. you get a character who's
>seemingly the most racist guy ever.. a guy who's not capable
>of having a conversation without saying
>gook/zipperhead/beaner/spook (y'know, in case we forget he's
>racist) this guy was on a youtube comment section level of
>hate rhetoric, but he somehow he manages to avoid the worst
>slur of all.
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>>I agree that Scorsese has characters that very well might
>use
>>racial epithets.
>>My problem is with the fact that these characters uniformly
>DO
>>use racial epithets.
>>And it is almost more upsetting to me that they do so only
>>once or twice per movie,
>>because if the excuse is that these characters would be
>>racist/use racist words,
>>why has he not had more characters that use a barrage of
>>racial epithets?
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>I don't get this logic at all. most of Scorsese's characters
>aren't guys who spend their days thinking about how they hate
>black people, they're ignorant criminals who grew up in
>isolated environments. sometimes that ignorance surfaces in
>conversations. as long as it comes off natural i don't see a
>problem, but that's just me. in his earlier stuff it felt that
>way. in his most recent work he clearly forces it, causing
>people to look at him sideways.
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>even with tarantino i thought it worked fine in resevoir dogs,
>but in pulp fiction the whole dead ni***r storage scene came
>off as a ridiculous whiteboy fantasy (but QT's issues with
>race... and feet are pretty clear).
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Probably has to do with the fact that he hasn't been around common folks since the early 80's.

QT just really appreciates black humor (In both sense of the term) so he's bound to offend as both do (If you don't think that Rudy Ray Moore was just as offensive than you're just being bias)

I came out of the film with WILD stereotypes about the black community.

Marty racist? No.
Quentin racist? No.

That's interesting that TP's work made you "feel racist."

I used to buy into the oft-repeated, somewhat poorly thought out idea that a person w/o the power to enforce his/her biases can't truly be racist in any meaningful sense of the word. I've amended that view, but there is still a qualitative difference for me when I consider the source of imagery/words/art that are less than positive about black people.

TP-I see his films and I get why so many people like them--he hits some buttons that resonate w/a great deal of black folks--not that these issues don't have relevance w/all people (religious faith, problems w/love ranging from financial to physical violence--but he does it in a way that a lot of black people enjoy/are comfortable with/or can relate to...I suppose. I see his films and just think, "Wow...I get it. You have to have faith in Jesus. You can do bad all by yourself girl. Weed and guns make for some great humor...blah, blah, blah." I see his stuff as unimaginative, repetitive, formulaic...but I don't feel any hatred/condescencion there.

QT--(I've already mentioned Marty)--The dead n***er storage line? At best that was,as a previous poster pointed out, white boy fantasy. At worst? Well, you get the idea.

The whole Madea sub-genre might make people that harbor stereotypes feel racist or validated...or uncomfortable.

Call me crazy, but seeing a bunch of white people laugh at TP's antics might make me feel some disgust. But a whole crowd of white people laughing at "dead n***er" storage seems a lot more sinister.

(The n-word is *IGGER.)

I mean there's absolutely no way NOT to be racist if you ever say, or direct someone who says, *that* word!!!! That word makes you a RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Carlin was a racist too. So is Chevy Chase. Obama is half-racist becuase of his audio book commentary.

That's why I watch only non-racists films, like Birth of a Nation and Gone With The Wind!!!

And any politician who tells me why "URBAN YOUTH" are bad has my vote!!!!

But yes, "QT" as you call him has written and said Ni*GER. And not once , not ONCE, have *I* thought he was a racist. And "Dead nigg*r storage" did not seems *sinister* to me. But hey, maybe I'm a super-duper racist (I have written the word NIGGE* several times in this message) and everything is okay to my racist mind.

Also, I don't recall anyone running around screaming the word NI*GER and then saying "Well, QT did it. And so did the W*P-Americans in the gangster film I just saw."

Hell, in my "real" life (not watching TV or movies) I hear the word *****R about once every few years - but as I drive around my city I see the segregation, and the poverty in non-white areas. But that's not racist because there's no area of my town *officially* called NI**ERvill*.

The SINISTER forces are the political parties and movements. The sinister forces are people who don't say the "word" but certainly push an anti-black, anti-latinoa, and pro-white message. Think the REPUBLICANS party. Think the tea partiers.

Not one of those, or White Aryan Resistance, to my knowledge, pimped a Marty Scorscee, a QT, a Ralph Basky film in any of their communiqués.

But keep your laser like focus on this issue - it's going to make a DIFFERENCE!

Wow...you're kinda hype, huh? And funny too...

I didn't say that Tarantino himself was sinister, I said that an audience of white people laughing at that line felt sinister to me. Maybe insidious would've been a better word--basically, something that on the surface can be dismissed as acceptable, but is possibly--possibly I say, covering up something malicious.

This thread isn't about making a difference, or pointing out the truly sinister forces in the world...never did I argue that "the dead nigger(you like that I typed that?)" storage line should be anyone's focus. The thread is specifically about Scorsese, and the line in Pulp Fiction came up--you mentioned it--and I responded to your comments about it.

How you got "laser light focus," as you call it, out of that...or, that anyone in here, including me, is implying that this particular issue will make a difference is beyond me.

But you keep on using your laser focus skills to point out how much more racist Tyler's work is than various white directors benign usage of the word n*gger b/c the latter doesn't bother you, or making insane analogies between Marty/QT's use of the term and the usage by Carlin or Ralph Bakshi...surely this type of thinking will lead to a true difference, like exposing the sinister Republicans.

Basically, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

blah, blah, blah...%95 of all these boards are about clowning anyway...

While ranting in response to your rant, I failed to mention that I totally appreciate your point about the usage of the term n*gger not being necessarily racist in every context--and your associated point that if it was the sole or most important criterion to indicate the existence of racism, how gazillions of truly dangerous and hateful ideas/organizations/individuals could slip beneath the radar b/c they use employ some euphemistic substitute.

I agree w/you...in fact, your entire point is one of the reasons that I've always thought Singleton missed a big opportunity w/"Higher Learning," but that's another story.

I'm simply saying to you, that as a black person and an admirer of the man's films, I sat in a theater and watched Pulp Fiction--and heard that line--and then heard the predominately white audience laugh, and that shit was disturbing to me. I sat there and wondered why it was in the script, what it added to the story/character that said it...etc. I then began to wonder about the mindset of the person that wrote it. Surely...seriously...you can understand that. I think it is questionable, and should be questioned...that's it.

Also, as you pointed out, using the word isn't necessarily proof that one is racist--but just b/c one uses it for purposes of authenticity/humor/commentary/whatever in art, doesn't automatically make it immune to the possiblity of racist intentions or undertones.

Art isn't always benign.

That's all I'm saying...to me, the "...dead n*gger storage" line just "feels"...wrong.

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i kinda assume that most old white guys are...doesnt really change much though. i still watch seinfeld and laugh at kramer's jokes.

okayplayer is the home of ultra sensitive Negroes. I'm just amazed at what is labelled as racist/racism now. Yes Scorcese/Nicholson went overboard with the word nigger at the beginning of The Departed. When it came on cable, cable channels edited that shit out, but to label him a racist, that's just silly. One character and not a major character in Shutter Island say nigger, now Scorcese's a full fledged Klan member. ( btw He's Italian he could never join the Klan). Do you really believe that white folks don't say nigger when they aren't in mixed company? Are black people that naive to believe that white folks or other ethnicities don't go off in a tirade of niggerspicwetbackkike when they are at home? His injecting realism into his films bothers you? It would NOT have been realistic if that crazy guy said black or colored. A crazy person would have said the first thing that came to his head and that was nigger. Folks said nigger all day every day in this country until the end Civil Rights era, when it became illegal. So you want to fault him for reflecting the terminology of this country?

If you want to call Jerome Tarantino jerk I can I agree. Tarantino is a white dude miffed because he can't say nigger without getting his ass kicked, or sued, so yeah I can see him over using the word, but is he a racist?




Shit happens

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This post is even more stupid now.

The word is used ONCE, and completely in context of the character.