>but what of fathers/sons?
>
>it's something that i think can't be ignored due to a couple
>of key pieces:
>-consider the scene between Young Joe and Old Joe in the diner
>which really plays like a father and son
>-the relationship between Kid Blue & Abe
>-young Joe & Cid
>-There's an interesting inverse(or mirrored) Oedipal things
>going on with the Old Joe wanting to kill the son while Young
>Joe beds the mother.
>
>There's a lot of really interesting stuff at work

I wanted to focus more on the mothers as Johnson fills the plot with far more *literal* mothers, whereas the fathers are more figureheads. Plus the imagery of the shooting of the belly and the fingers through the hair are such visceral pictures that it's easier to focus on.

Kind of a shitty movie if you were orphaned in real life, lol.