>...again, I can't completely remember if that was when it
>happened.
>It was sort of a montage moment, but regardless, the dad
>definitely dies AND it's in the movie - not an assumed thing.

That's what I "assumed" as well but like I said, I've seen it twice now & it hasn't been clear either time. Especially since the last scene you see of the guy down the well after getting hit over the head has him clearly breathing with his eyes wide open.

The Paul & Eli thing did get cleared up on a 2nd viewing but the deal with H-Dub & his "Dad" is still clear as mud.