TDK is untraditional in regards of superhero movies....the movie ends like a tradegy with the "hero" on the hunt and hated by everyone, the main villain, regardless of being caught, technically WON pushing his agenda of fear and chaotic ideology to the forefront, one of the major characters dies, everything gordon and batman worked for in improving crime and putting hope into gotham have been diminished...

whut gimmick are you talking about? there's no real cliche one-liners, there's twists and turns throughout the movie...the only two things you can truely say was "lame" was batman's growl & the wasted cameo of scarecrow....that's pretty much it


ironman, on the other hand, HAD GIMMICKS, but in its defense their gimmicks was rather good, like terrence howard looking at the other suit and saying, "maybe next time"...however, there's some lame qualities in this film, especially how it ended (not to include the after credit scene, which sorta makes up for the weak-as-hell ending)

i mean, the most BLATANT and sad gimmick was the BURGER KING placement for crying out loud...

it was a cartoonish type fun movie...no fault to that because it's one of the BEST...yet, how can you take a movie seriously with stark and a leiutenent colornel entertaining themselves with strippers in a jet plane with ghostplace placing in the background???? dope as fuck scene, but it reminds you that this is comic book fun...TDK FELT like a crime movie than a comic book movie...take away the costumes and the results are basically the same....