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32482, Perhaps we can discuss this more later. I really must revise!!
Posted by moot_point, Mon May-23-05 07:36 AM
But quickly...

>I disagree. Language is not merely a metaphor for the object
>world since the object world of material and matter is OBJECT
>REALITY. You can feel and touch it...you do not require an
>intellect to breathe oxygen...
>
>>My subjective reality is everything that exists in my head.
>No
>>reality exists beyond this.

Then what is reality? The object world exists beyond humans but reality does not. Language is reality. We talk language, speak language, think langauge, dream language.

>
>OBJECTIVE REALITY I.E. THE WORLD I AM LIVING IN EXISTS WHETHER
>YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...Q: If A Tree in the woods falls over and
>nobody hears it did it actually fall? A; Yes
>
>or put it this THE CHAIR I AM SITTING ON DOES NOT EXIST IN MY
>HEAD. THE WORDS CHAIR WORLD DO NOT EXIST ON MY HEAD THEY EXIST
>ON THIS COMPUTER SCREEN. AN OBJECT I AM PHYSICALLY INTERACTING
>WITH AT THE MOMENT. I AM USING LANGUAGE TO COMMUNICATE
>FACTS..THIS IS NOT A METAPHOR. REPEAT THIS IS NOT A METAPHOR

Now imagine a chair in you head. A wooden structure with a back and fours legs. What links this picture in your head to the signifier C H A I R? It's a metaphor!

Remember the object world exists and we can interact with it. However, once we begin to understand this object world, we define a subjective reality (via language, however babies develop a cruder form before grasping language). I think this is an easy concept.


>
>
>>>>There ARE highly valid subjective notions,
>
>who validates them?

Science for one.

>
>>This is mixed up. Objective reality is a contradiction in
>>terms. Tell me something that is 'real' that your mind
>didn't
>>conceive. You can't. All reality is subjective. Therefore
>yes,
>>I am living in my head. So too are you.
>
>I AM LIVING IN AN OBJECTIVE REALITY. IS A BULLET IN THE HEAD
>SUBJECTIVE? IS PHYSICAL PAIN SUBJECTIVE?

Physical pain is definitely subjective. Most humans feel pain, it's a human trait that affects everybody differently. Remember too, that nerve endings send pain signals via the spinal cord to the brain.