>>As I wrote earlier, there IS much uniformity in subjectivity
>a
>>la the cultural norm. Subjectivity does not import the
>>suggestion that everybody has an entirely unique view on
>>everything.
>
>
>No, it imports the idea that no idea can be more right, more
>correct, more in correspondance to reality than any other,
>which is itself a logical self-contradiction.
>
>You argue that moral notions are only the products of cultural
>norms, thus your most profound, intense emotions that you have
>ever had or ever will have, are really meaningless, as they're
>only conditioned into you by some other people and correspond
>to nothing objectively real in this world.
>

Absolutely, but it doesn't make them any less valuable.


>I'm going to put on hold your "hypothetical" about killing
>people cause there's over population, as you've still not
>explained to me what purpose the hypothetical serves when it's
>based on a very obviously non-exhaustive dichotomy. It's
>also the least of our worries right now... in light of the
>question you're about to ask me...
>
>here it comes...
>
>
>>Why don't you define an 'objective moral fact' for me?
>
>Gladly, a moral rule which is so, regardless of opinion about
>it. Further, "objective moral fact" is the prerequisite for
>moral debate, activistm, etc. Else we'd just be animals
>bumping heads. Ever wonder why we have language and
>rationality in the first place?
>
>Now I'll give you an instantiation: "Raping babies is
>wrong".
>
>I say that is a fact.
>
>You say that is just an opinion.
>
>

Firstly, you used a (perhaps undeliberate) rhetorical trick here. I didn't say 'just' an opinion.

Secondly, how is what you wrote a fact? Look at it this way; A large section of the church now promotes gay clergy. What is homosexuality? God's objective truth, or the church's subjective opinion?


>>I believe there is no such thing as a universal moral law.
>
>
>Exactly.
>
>
>
>>Slavery is rational as far as the slave masters are
>concerned.
>>Depressing isn't it?
>
>
>Of course it's rational. It "get's the job done". And as
>long as "rationality" is ALL there is (meaning, no "objective
>moral law" for rationality to "be rational about") then there
>is NOTHING WRONG WITH SLAVERY.
>
>The only thing that's depressing is that your worldview
>requires you to concede that there is nothing wrong with
>slavery, and that you're view that it should "not be" is
>merely your desire to assert your opinion, dogmatically, over
>everyone else, denying them theirs.

However, my subjective view (my dogma) and the view of millions others that it is wrong. So it is illegal. If anybody has a problem with it, then tough shit!!