>you can appeal to reason, & morality is derived from reason.


So you disagree with the man who's quote began this post?


>you can offer the shovel-smacker money, food, etc, or threaten
>to hurt them even worse.

What if he's not hungry and stronger and faster than you? What if he knows kung fu?


>you're only in a bind if the person
>you're dealing with is irrational.

No, clearly you're in a bind if the person knows kung fu. Whether they are rational or not is clearly not gonna help you unless there is an appeal to on OBJECTIVE morality. Without that, you're stuck.

back to you.