>Do Christians Worship the Sun?
>No, of course not, but their
>belief is not holy and
>it has a root in
>ancient Sun worship. Check
>it out.

Response: I'd have to disagree with you here.

>The word Holy Bible derives from
>the Greek Words Helios Biblos.

Response: Holy does not derive from Helios, as a matter of fact Holy means seperated. If we were to follow this logic then we would have to be consistant, such as in leviticus where it says be Holy for I am Holy, by your translation it should say be the sun as I am the sun, this makes no sense. So instead of Isreal being a Holy nation now its a sun nation.

> Helios means Sun and
>Biblos is derived from the
>ancient Egyptian word, papyrus, which
>means paper. "Holy Bible"
>means Sun Book (or compiled
>papers) and represents the knowledge
>of the "Children of the
>Sun" as recorded by the
>original inhabitants of Egypt.

Response: Now where are you getting this from. The egyptians didn't write the bible. the Bible had a variety of authors none of them being Egyptian. You can tell because all of the ceremonial traditions brought up in the bible represent strong Isrealite heritage not Egyptian.

>The biblical Jesus, for the most
>part, is the SUN in
>the sky. The fiery
>SUN. John 3:19 "I
>am the Light of the
>world,"

Response: Be careful when using this kind of reasoning. What Jesus was talking about in this passage was he represented the light by means of his revelation into a world filled with darkness(sin). What he is preaching is that men love sin (darkness) that's why they don't turn towards him. Not that he was to be taken as the sun.


Psalms 84:11 "the
>Lord God is a sun….,"

Response: Once again be careful, this verse says the Lord is a sun and a shield. So I ask are we now worshipping shields also? Of course not, this is a psalm of praise and worship. Meaning that he wanted to return to his place of worship in the temple, check out the entire passage.

>Deuteronomy 4:24 "God is
>a consuming fire,"

Responce: The bible sometimes speaks in anthropic terms (meaning terms humans can understand) this is one, this is refering to God's wrath that's why the next line says he is a jealous God. There are verses pointing to God's hand size and to God having wings, the intent of these verse are not to convince the reader that God has these atributes(for God is a spirit) but for means of communication so we can get a better sense of whats going on.

Mal. 4:2
>“Sun of Righteousness,”

Response: This is only a comparison to the sun because the sun rises so Christ is called the rising sun from heaven, but if we use your logic, then it also says that the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in his wings, so Jesus now has wings, or the sun has wings, this type of interpretation will get you in trouble.

and John
>12:46 “...a light into the
>world” are just a few
>examples.

Response: I already explained what the light of the world means.

The 12 apostles
>of the biblical Jesus are
>the constellations.

Response: Sorry, this is subjective, the apostles were real people who lived real lives whos deaths are written down.

>People are not born from virgins.

Response: But, Jesus was. What you have done is displayed your opinion in this argument by ruling out the chance of miracles. If you believe God can create a universe out of nothing then you have no problem with the virgin birth.

> The Virgin birth is
>the SUN having its start
>(solar calendars) in the constellation
>of Virgo as it was
>in some areas of the
>world. (Virgo is Latin for
>virgin)

Response: So whats your point, just because virgo is latin for virgin that has no bearing on the virgin birth of the Messiah. You have to remember that Christ birth was prophesied and in that prophesy his name was given and where he would be born, the sun is never called Immauel nor does it start in Bethalehem.

The name Mary
>is symbolic to the names
>Auset-Meri (Isis) and Maya.
>Isis was the Virgin mother
>of the astrological Sun God
>Heru (Horus) of ancient Egypt.

Response: But, Mary was never seen as a God, she was a servant of God, also she was covered with the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with astrology.

> In Buddhist mythology, Maya
>was the name of the
>virgin mother of Siddhartha (the
>Buddha of 2,500 years ago).
> There are more astrological
>virgin mothers besides these three.
> In fact, there were
>over 10 "crucified saviors" before
>Jesus, because these are mythological
>and esoteric stories based on
>the SUN and it's movements.
> Virgo is the only
>female constellation, the celestial virgin.

Response: But none of these cruxified saviors are at the head of a world religion, and if you investigate any of there stories fully you will see there are huge differences between these saviors and Christ.
>
>One of the astrological signs of
>Virgo is a lil M
>looking symbol. Each astrological
>sign has at least two
>symbols. Virgo's other sign
>is a woman holding bread.
>(Bethlehem is Hebrew for "House
>of bread")

Response: This would be a good argument but there is one problem, Bethleham is a real location that you can identify.

It
>is said that Jesus was
>born in Bethlehem because Virgo,
>the astrological house of the
>“celestial virgin” shows a woman
>holding loaves of grain or
>bread.

Response: Boy, you are getting pretty creative here, but this takes more faith to believe this than it does the actual Bible itself.

Hence, the SUN
>comes from (born from) a
>virgin (Virgo). This is
>also the foundation of the
>teaching that Jesus fed 5,000
>people with loaves of bread
>and 2 fish. The
>bread and fish is VIRGO
>(woman holding bread) and PISCES
>(symbolized by two fish).

Response: So if what your saying is true then where is the symbol of the 5000. If there is bread and fish then what about the symbol of the 5000. Then of course you need one for Bethasida the town they were in and a symbol for the twelve baskets and the apostles also.

>The resurrection of Lazarus is a
>plagiarized story taken from the
>Ausarian Resurrection of over 12,000
>years ago, which was also
>based on the SUN.

Response: Not so fast, I need scripture to prove what your saying is true. So I can read it in context.

>In the story, the God
>Ausar (Osirus) was killed by
>his brother, Set (origin of
>the word Satan). The
>son (Sun) of Ausar (Osirus),
>named Heru (Horus in Greek)
>avenged his father's death by
>fighting with Set. His
>father was resurrected from death.

Response: where do you see Lazarus was killed by his brother and avenged by his father?

> The European plagiarizers changed
>El-Ausar to Lazarus. Heru
>changed into Jesus, the son
>(SUN) of God. This
>original story (prototype for Constantine’s
>bible) is published in detail
>in the BOOK OF THE
>DEAD.

Response: Subjective, which Europeons give me names, dates, quotes. Jesus was not Lasarus' brother.

>Jesus the "son" dying for us
>is really the SUN dying
>for us. The SUN
>is giving its life to
>us continuously. The SUN
>burns itself and we utilize
>its energy in our lives.

Response: As I showed you earlier Jesus is not the sun. Also the sun is not dying for us, it is dying because of thermodynamics.

> It gives and we
>receive. This is why
>it is said that Jesus
>gave his life for us.
> The crucifixion on a
>cross was not a true
>event.

Response: Yes, it was.

For more information
>on this, check out Christopher
>Knight's The Hiram Key: Pharaohs,
>Freemasons and the Discovery of
>the Secret Scrolls of Jesus.

Response: Sure, no prob.

> Also, the Holy Qur'an
>of the Muslims does not
>teach about Jesus dying on
>a cross.

Response: Yes, but I do not believe the Qur'an is a holy book also prophet Mohammed was born centuries later.

The Jehovah
>Witnesses also acknowledge that he
>did not die on a
>cross.

Response: Bad argument, the founder of jehovah witnesses Charles T Russell was not a scholar nor a theologian and failed a hebrew and greek test in a court of law. In the Russlell vs Ross case in 1913.

In Deuteronomy
>21, the bible speaks of
>a "son" being stoned to
>death and hung on a
>tree.

Response: correct

Then in the
>New Testament book of Galatians,
>Chapter 3, Verse 13 speaks
>on those who have been
>hung on a tree.
>"Christ hath redeemed us from
>the curse of the law,
>being made a curse for
>us : for it is
>written, Cursed is every one
>that HANGETH ON A TREE

Response: correct

>: " The bible
>continues to teach about his
>death on a tree in
>the First book of Peter,
>Chapter 2, where in verse
>24 it states: "Who
>his own self bare our
>sins in his own BODY
>ON THE TREE, that we,
>being dead to sins, should
>live unto righteousness : by
>those whose stripes ye were
>healed."

Response:correct

The cross represents
>the SUN passing through the
>Vernal Equinox (Easter/resurrection), Summer Solstice,
>Autumnal Equinox and Winter Solstice
>(Christmas/birth). The historical Jesus
>did not die on a
>cross.

Response: Incorrect, the cruxifition was invented by the persians and was wide spread by the times the Romans implemented it. As a matter of fact if you look at history and compare the resurrection account you'll be amazed how accurate it is. Also there have been archeological digs inwhich we have found bones of people who went through the cruxifiction look at the Yohanan.

It also represents
>the SUN going through the
>four cardinal constellations, which are
>Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio.
> The cardinal constellations are
>also the four beasts in
>the Revelations of St. John
>the Divine. Rev 4:7
>states: "The first beast
>was like a LION, and
>the second beast like a
>CALF, and the third beast
>had a face as a
>MAN, and the fourth beast
>was like a flying EAGLE."

Response: Actually if you read it closely it is refering to the major world powers of its time, Greece, Egypt, Rome,and Assyrians.

> In astrology, Leo is
>a lion, Taurus is a
>bull, Aquarius is a man
>pouring water and Scorpio has
>three symbols, one a scorpion,
>one an eagle and one
>a serpent. These four
>cardinal signs are also the
>basis for Ezekiel's description of
>the four faces in Ezekiel
>1:10.

Response: Sorry, the image Ezekiel saw was that of the Lord look at chpt 2 when God starts talking to him, the creatures he saw were nothing more than angels.

The crown of thorns spoken about
>in Matthew 27:29 is the
>layer of the SUN called
>CORONA. Corona is Latin
>for crown, and in science,
>the outermost part of the
>SUN is called corona.
>The SUN wears a crown
>of thorns. This is
>why it is said that
>Jesus wore a crown of
>thorns.

Response: Now how did you come up with this one. Just because the sun has a outer layer what does that have to do with thorns. Thorns are needles about 9 inches long.

>Christmas is celebrated December 25th because
>that is when the Winter
>Solstice ends and the SUN
>begins to travel North again.
> Prior to the Winter
>Solstice, the SUN travels South
>and on December 22nd, (in
>the Northern Hemisphere) the SUN
>is farthest South of the
>equator, and for three days
>it stops moving South and
>on the 25th it moves
>Northward again. This is
>why it is said that
>God’s son (SUN) was "born"
>on the 25th.

Response: Boy this is one of those arguments that just won't go away, but here it is again the Christian holiday is not a copy of Saturnalia but it was put there to overthrow Saturnalia. It was the Christian answer to the god not a coping.

The
>stable or manger that the
>biblical Jesus was born in
>is the constellation or house
>of Capricorn, which was once
>known as the “STABLE of
>Augeas.”

Response: where so you see a refernce to the stable of Augeas in scripture?

>The 12 tribes of Israel, 12
>tribes of Ishmael and other
>biblical accounts of 12 are
>based on the heavens above
>and not necessarily actual events
>that took place. A
>large percentage of the bible
>is based on the SUN
>and the constellations.

Responce: So where did the names come from you know Dan, Judah , Manessah etc. Also you have to explain there inheritance, why would a person make up where they lived and how they divided up the land of Isreal. Also how the tribe of Levi didn't have an inheritance and were not considered part of the twelve where are thier contellations. Then you have to explain how Dan lost there inheritance and how the Levites regained theres if this has to do with the sun and not history.

>The bible also says Jesus is
>the light of the world,
>he shall comes from the
>east and all eyes shall
>see him, along with other
>things which are describing the
>SUN in the sky, not
>the actual man.

Response: I don't know where it says the light of the world would come from the east, but if you know the verse show me, and if there is such a verse it probably means the Near East.

>The sun "dies" for three days
>on December 22nd, the winter
>solstice, when it stops in
>its movement south, to be
>born again or resurrected on
>December 25th, when it resumes
>its movement north.

Response: So when did Christ travel north? Dec 22 means nothing because we don't know when he died and rose.
>
>following taken from acharya's web page
>for a quick summary of
>'the coincidences'


Response: I should have known, oh well.

>In some areas, the calendar originally
>began in the constellation of
>Virgo, and the sun would
>therefore be "born of a
>Virgin."
>The sun is the "Light of
>the World."
>The sun "cometh on clouds, and
>every eye shall see him."

Response: some areas which areas and how did it affect Isreal.
>
>The sun rising in the morning
>is the "Savior of mankind."

Response: The sun is a creation not the creator it is not our savior.
>
>The sun wears a corona, "crown
>of thorns" or halo.

Response: halo and thorns are a little different.

>The sun "walks on water."

Response: No it does'nt

>The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples"
>are the 12 months and
>the 12 signs of the
>zodiac or constellations, through which
>the sun must pass.

Response: Yep, and there names are Peter, John , Matt, I suppose

>The sun at 12 noon is
>in the house or temple
>of the "Most High"; thus,
>"he" begins "his Father's work"
>at "age" 12.

Response: This is so left field its scary, how is the sun a house or temple and who is its father.

>The sun enters into each sign
>of the zodiac at 30°;
>hence, the "Sun of God"
>begins his ministry at "age"
>30.

Response: But 30 degress and age 30 are two totally different things.

>The sun is hung on a
>cross or "crucified," which represents
>its passing through the equinoxes,
>the vernal equinox being Easter,
>at which time it is
>then resurrected.

Response: But,the sun reserrection happens over and over Jesus happend only once.