>i dont see any turmoil. maybe
>marrital relations problems, jealousy or
>behalf of the barren, but
>no turmoil.

So you are saying marrital problems are good? Yummy and tasty marrital problems on a bun of slap-happy adultery?


>>Esau openly dishonored his father
>>and married a canaanite woman
>>(Gen 28: 8)
>
>Genesis 28:8
>And Esau seeing that the daughters
>of Canaan pleased not Isaac
>his father;

>he didnt marry from the canaanites.
>what are you talikng about
>here? if he did, then
>why did he "went Esau
>unto Ishmael, and took unto
>the wives which he had
>Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael
>Abraham's son, the sister of
>Nebajoth, to be his wife",
>after seeing that "the daughters
>of Canaan pleased not Isaac
>his father"?

Yes Esau did marry the from the canaanite women (Gen. 36: 2)
"Esau took his wives from the women of Canaan:..."
The previous Passage (Gen. 28: 8) shows how esau's action was blantant disobedience to his parents.


>Genesis 28:9
>Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and
>took unto the wives which
>he had Mahalath the daughter
>of Ishmael Abraham's son, the
>sister of Nebajoth, to be
>his wife.
>
>if youre not saying that, then
>he didnt dishonor nor disobey
>his father.

See Gen. 36: 2

>ok. now i get it. but
>guess what? the other wives
>he took earlier were not
>from the canaanites.

See Gen. 36: 2

>alot of ppl dishonor their parents
>and their wives are sources
>of grief to their parents.
>that aint no punishment on
>them. all of the
>things you named would be
>"payment" or punishment to his
>father and mother (who didnot
>deserve it), not him. so
>how did he pay? what
>happened to him?
>where was he made to "pay
>dearly" for his polygamy?

Are you saying Family problems are good too? BB-Q baked family arguements with a side of coleslaw.


>>Jacob was tricked (Gen. 29: 22-25)
>>into his adultery by Leban.
>
>how so?
>
>Genesis 29:22
>And Laban gathered together all the
>men of the place, and
>made a feast.
>Genesis 29:23
>And it came to pass in
>the evening, that he took
>Leah his daughter, and brought
>her to him; and he
>went in unto her.
>Genesis 29:24
>And Laban gave unto his daughter
>Leah Zilpah his maid
>an handmaid.
>Genesis 29:25
>And it came to pass, that
>in the morning, behold, it
> Leah: and he said
>to Laban, What this
>thou hast done unto me?
>did not I serve with
>thee for Rachel? wherefore then
>hast thou beguiled me?
>
>he was tricked into MARRYING leah,
>and yes he married her,
>as was the reason he
>worked for those seven years.
>he wasnt married b4 her,
>so how could he commit
>adultery?

Because he married her sister buddy He worked 14 years all together. But he only wanted Rachel...so he worked 7 years to get Her (Rachel) but instead ......*POOF*....in his bed it's LEAH!!!!! The sister with the weak eyes.......So now he's stuck but in love with Rachel so to get with her he has to be Leban's servant for another 7 years. The adultery is committed when he married the one whom he loved.


>>Jacob wanted to marry Rachel
>>(Gen 29: 18)Jacob was a
>>servant to Leban a extra
>>seven years due to it.
>>(Gen. 29: 27)
>
>thats right. but instead laban tricked
>him into MARRYING LEAH, not
>just sleeping with her.

huh??


>>Jacob didnt love Leah (29: 30-31)

Do you think this is Good too.....if so then i understand why ladies are turning you down on the marriage tip. Yikes Abduhu.


>again, more marrital relations problems and
>jealousy on behalf of barren
>women. how is this punishment
>for him?

I take it you've never seen Marrital problems or what ills jealousy can cause. Can you blame these barren women who's not getting a fair amount of love and affection?

>and what about the other two:
>bilhah and zilpah? i guess
>everything was cool with them,
>huh? and dont tell me
>they were not wives b/c
>i provided the verse to
>back up my claim.

I know the maid servants were married to Jacob but guess what he smutted them too. i never said these to were his wives.


>no where did you tell me
>how these brothers were made
>to "pay dearly" for their
>polygamy. you told me how
>they had marrital relations problems
>and how certain wives were
>jealous of one another b/c
>they were barren and the
>other was not. but this
>is not reflective of a
>"pay dearly" punishment of behalf
>of those brothers for their
>polygamy.

Wait until you have marrital problems and you may change that view.

>so, all in all, God allowed
>it then, just as he
>does today.

Yep God allows or tolerate sin but God doesn't Command us to sin or Commend our sin. Adultery is a sin. Having more than one wife is adultery. (Ex. 20: 14) God commands us not to commit Adultery.



>nobody still didnt address this: http://www.aboutislam.com

I think Osoclasi and I gave tons of Info on how they are different. In your posts about Allah's will...God in the flesh? and so on

Short answer - Is God of the Qur'an a Triune God? One God reveal in Three Persons...Father,Son, And Holy Spirit.....it's pretty safe to say that you would answer this question with a No.....this is one of the many reason how...The God of the Qur'an is not the God of the Bible.

>
>these christians are saying Allah of
>the qur'an and God of
>the bible are one in
>the same. so what maks
>them wrong and YOU right?

Well if they think that YHWH and Allah are one and the same then ultimately how can they accept Christ's deity (Christ is YHWH)....Since the Qur'an denies Christ's deity. Is Christ Allah? If you say no...one of us has to be right. Christ claimed to be God on numerous occasion and He proved himself to be who he said he was.

>they are using a bible just
>like yours to prove that
>they are the same.

There are similarities in the Bible and Qur'an but......There are more differences than similarites. One main difference is How God of the universe is revealed. The One revealed in the Bible is not the One revealed in the Qur'an.


>hell, even Bush said yesterday, on
>the 4th of july, that
>they were the same, in
>front of millions (including t.v.
>viewers)!!!!!
>how do you explain that?

Abduhu you ought to be ashamed for this statement.......Even Bush said it.......Mayyyyun......

Anyhoo back to the point Multiple wives = Adultery.
And you failed to address a question of mine.......

Dearest abduhu if you and a muslim sister with Oprah money got married, then a couple of years later she married like three guys, on some elizabeth taylor type stuff....would you still be quick to say everything is cool?

Polygamy = Adultery..... Adultery = sin