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13283, the problem is this:
Posted by abduhu, Thu Jun-28-01 09:55 AM
you are not presenting CLEAR AND DECISIVE VERSES of what a marriage IS and ISNOT SUPPOSED TO BE. nor of what DIVORCE IS and ISNOT SUPPOSED TO BE. nor of HOW POLYGAMY IS or ISNOT A SIN. nor of the DEFINITION OF ADULTERY. until then, we could go one for days and days, TALKING about it, but not STATING WHAT THE BIBLE ITSELF SAYS.

you are merely interjecting your own thoughts and words into the situation, without providing PROOF or EVIDENCE for what you are saying.

>>Every one
>>>in the Bible had one
>>>wife until Lamech changed the
>>>game and married two. (Gen
>>>4: 19)
>>
>>Genesis 4:19
>>And Lamech took unto him two
>>wives: the name of the
>>one Adah, and the
>>name of the other Zillah
>>
>>
>>dont think he got the commandment
>>from God? and how do
>>you know he was the
>>one that "changed the game",
>>if there really was one
>
>No lamech didnt get the commandment
>from God because if he
>did God would then be
>a sinner.

i would comment on this one, but the comment that i have is irrelevent, seeing as how we both have different concepts and ideals of GOD.

Adultery is a
>sin.

agreed.

The act of being
>unfaithful to one's Hubby or
>Wife.

and "the act" is: commiting fornication, which is sexual intercourse w/o marriage, right? if so, wouldnt having sexual intercourse w/ another woman be okay, if a man was married to her?

Having more than one
>wife or husband is adultry.

how did you deduce this? certainly not from the verse below......

>Matt 19: 9 "...I tell
>you that anyone who divorces
>his wife, except for marital
>unfaithfulness (adultry), and marries another
>woman commits adultry."

so what does this verse say about a man who DOESNT DIVORCE his wife but gets another one? nothing.

>>
>>polygamy is not
>>>commended by the Bible,(Exodus 20:
>>>14).

>>Exodus 20:14
>>Thou shalt not commit adultery.
>
>>this verse doesnt even remotely imply
>>for someone to not have
>>two or more wives NOR
>>does it imply that polygamy
>>in NOT commendable by God.
>>the verse says shalt not
>>commit adultery. there is nothing
>>conclusive in this commmandment for
>>anything else besides that, right?
>
>polygamy is an adulterous act abduhu.

according to what verse? and if its in the new testament, that does not take prededence over what the old testament allowed in it day.

>If someone is married then
>decides to marry another woman
>that person is being unfaithful
>to his first wife.

according to what verse? not matthew 19.9. i addressed that above.

Therefore
>a polygamist is an adulterous
>person.

you got no verses from the old testament to PROVE it. and thats where those examples where taking place. not in the new one.

Ex 20: 14 commands
>us not to commit adultry.
>If we commit adultry we
>are sinning.
If God commends
>adultry then guess what abduhu.......
>God would be embracing something
>that he deemed unholy.

agreed, accept for the last sentence. but it is still not been proven that polygamy is adultery in the old testament.
btw, are you using the word command and commend interchangeably?
b/c theyre not interchangeable.

>Can
>God embrace unholy things abduhu?

what do you mean by embrace?

>God of the Bible doesnt
>commend polygamy humans practiced it,
>The Bible records that humans
>practiced it,

commend or command?


>God does not
>commend adulterous acts like polygamy.

show me where in the old testament, and i wont ask any more.
>
>
>>
>>
>>or are you going on your
>>own feelings about marriage, adultery,
>>and polygamy?
>>
>
>Nope, but i think you are
>putting your own feelings about
>marrying more than one woman
>being okay when it's not.

no, im just stating the WRITTEN FACTS. and the WRITTEN FACTS ARE that there are NO VERSES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT declaring polygamy A SIN AND ADULTERY.

>>The Bible records that
>>>it happened but God does <~~~~ that should be "doesn't" sorry
>>>commend it.
>>
>>maybe you can get deduce this
>>from the NEW testament, but
>>not the OLD one.
>>
>
>The God of the New Testament
>is The God of the
>Old Testament. Humans practice polygamy
>Starting with Lamech (BC)...and continue
>to our present times (AD).
>Also God created One woman
>for adam, Eve. (Gen 1:
>22) Now in Gen. 1:
>24 ...Man will leave his
>father and mother and be
>united to his wife (Not
>Wives), and they (Husband and
>Wife) will be one Flesh.
>emphasis added.
>
>>>>The only romance is within the
>>>>bible is between Soloman and
>>>>ONE of his many wives.
>>
>>>It's the only romance noted.
>>>That doesnt mean other husbands didnt romance their wife.
>>
>>ok. cant this same statement: "It's
>>the only romance noted" be
>>used above in reference to
>>lamech being the first to
>>have 2 wives. why could
>>not those mentioned before him
>>have more than one wife?
>
>Nope, that would be reading into
>the text something that's not
>there (Referring to Lamech's situation).

but didnt you read into the text when you said:
>>>It's the only romance noted.
>>>That doesnt mean other husbands didnt romance their wife.

which is why i said what i said? tell me you didnt read into it, just like my suggestion.

Romance
>on the other hand began
>with Adam and his One
>wife Eve (Gen 1: 28).

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

THAT IS ROMANCE?

In the
>case of lamech he's is
>the historical reference to when
>polygamy began.

how can you make that claim w/o reading into the text?
like you said about solomon:>>>It's the only romance noted.
>>>That doesnt mean other husbands didnt romance their wife.

so could lamech's case be, right?
or is it b/c it is in the beginning of the bible that you dont thing that such a thing is possible?

who is Prophet Muhammad -salla Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam (peace be upon him)? click here to read his biography:
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/

Narrated Aisha (Prophet Muhammad's wife):
The Prophet used to offer prayer at night (for such a long time) that his feet used to crack. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Why do you do it since Allah has forgiven you your faults of the past and those to follow?" He said, "Shouldn't I love to be a thankful slave (of Allah)?' When he became old, he prayed while sitting, but if he wanted to perform a bowing, he wound get up, recite (some other verses) and then perform the bowing.

subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You). ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except You). astaghfiruka (I seek Your forgiveness), wa attuubu ilaika (and I turn to You in Repentance).