>Ok, just to let you know,
>I am not going to
>be looking up any references
>for you...and before you say
>"see, there is no proof"
>its not. Its because
>I am actually pretty busy
>with school, certificate courses on
>the side, and I just
>got a new job last
>week that keeps me busier
>than ever. ..and I really
>don't have time to go
>searching the university library now.

Response: That's cool I understand, congrats on the new job hope your successful.

> But that doesn't mean
>proof doesn't exist, if you
>look around the internet I'm
>sure you'll come across references
>for where to look and
>all...if you chose not to,
>that's also fine.

Responce: Sure, I reading the Gita last night, but if something is out there I hope to find it.
>
>Also, I am not a "Hindu
>apologetic" (which is another reason
>I don't feel the need
>to go searchng right now),
>but from the way things
>have turned out here, I
>really seem like one, don't
>I? To tell you
>the truth, I don't know
>how things got to this
>point of me defending Hinduism,
>but I was really just
>asking what you thought of
>the belief that Christ travelled
>East for the sake of
>conversation...

Response: Understood, you have to have a lot of time on your hands to practice apologetics.
>
>But (and no, you don't have
>to believe me) I have
>been fortunate to learn a
>lot about Eastern religions, and
>let me tell you that
>there is much evidence for
>many of their beliefs too.
> It may not all
>be in written form either,
>but different cultures have different
>ways....

Response: Understood
>
>In a previous post you mentioned
>that this is more than
>a hobby to you (which
>leads me to assume that
>you either have a degree,
>or are studying theology, or
>are a priest) yet you
>also tell me that you
>will not tell me how
>you know anything, or where
>you've learned about other non-western
>cultures.

Response: Hey, one of those things you mentioned is correct good guest, but I'll leave it at that. Maybe later on I'll tell you about my credentials, just not right now I have my reasons.

Well, I'll tell
>you a bit about me.
> I have been very
>fortunate in my life to
>travel a great deal, and
>I spent over 3 and
>1/2 years in India, most
>of my time there studying
>religion and culture...so I am
>not just speaking on what
>I don't know. I
>also have Hindu family members...but
>since you did ask before,
>I am not part of
>any Hindu sect. But
>I did spend a great
>deal of time learning from
>Hindu priests, and let me
>tell you, their reasoning is
>so much different than what
>we're used to...their logic behind
>their religion is much different,
>their approach to studying God
>and scriptures is also different.
> I actually heard first
>hand from them about prophesises,
>etc...but unfortunately coming back west
>has caused my Sanskrit skills
>to severly diminish, so looking
>up these references right now
>would be very tedious, and
>since my initial purpose wasn't
>to defend Hinduism, I don't
>see the point. I
>have also seen (first hand)
>many astonishing things that provide
>proof enough for me (and
>no, in case you are
>going to ask, its not
>levitating saints, or people walking
>on fire or any of
>that other stereotypical bull).
>If you travel through the
>Himalayas, you'll learn a lot
>more about what Hindu philosophy
>is about as opposed to
>the more ritualist practices of
>the rest of India.

Response: That sounds exciting, how many languages do you speak?
>
>I am sincerly glad that Christianity
>answered your questions...but to tell
>you the truth, it did
>not answer mine. (I
>was actually born Christian)...and what
>I have learnt from Eastern
>religions, and Native spirituality has
>actually brought me much more
>peace and joy than anything.
> I live a much
>cleaner, healthier life, and I
>am more happy than I
>ever was. So my
>point is, I am not
>going to continue defending Krishna,
>etc ( this may surprise
>you, but personally.....I am really
>not too concerned with whether
>he ever existed or not,
>I am more interested in
>the philosophy more than anything
>else...but I guess it might
>not have seemed that way,
>huh?) here since I am
>not a "Hindu apologetic", but
>just know, India has a
>very different way of doing
>things that Westerns will commonly
>mistake for ignorance or stupidity...but
>there is really much more
>to it....Sanathana Dharmic philosophy was
>actually a science at first
>(like a real natural science,
>like biology, chemistry, etc...to try
>and understand the universe) before
>in became the more ritualistic
>Hinduism we know today.
>If you want some references
>though, trying looking up David(?)
>Frawley, cause I think he's
>written a lot about the
>time/proof of various Hindu events...check
>his bibliographies...not sure though...

Response: I'll make a note of it.
>
>I am more of a philosopher
>than a theologian, so that
>may lead to a lot
>of our disagreements here...

Response: Yeah, I like philosophy also.
>
>
>Man, this post is starting to
>inspire me to keep up
>with my Sanskrit so that
>I can actually show you
>some proof that would satisfy
>you more...what I wouldn't do
>for an extra hour each
>day :-)....I know I said
>I couldn't, but if I
>have some time I'll try
>to find you at least
>1 or 2 references...

Response: Sure, no prob.
>
>
>The eyewitness thing proves that we
>have a different approach to
>religion, etc in the west...but
>I really don't want to
>argue about this, cause I
>know where its going to
>lead..


Response: Sure, no prob.
>
>
>
>Just making a point here: but
>realize that Krishna was believed
>alive around 1500 years before
>Christ! So things were
>different...and that may also be
>why the type of proof
>you seek is harder for
>you to find.

Response: Sure, I understand that, your going to really have to dig when you finish school.
>
>
>
>Just wondering...is there any proof of
>the 5000 witnesses other than
>the Bible?

Response: Yes, actually Paul did'nt make that up. He was stating a popular creed of that time. That's why I said it dates back 2 to 3 years of the actual event of the resurrection, to the days of the hellenistic jews.
>
>
>I don't dispute this...in fact I
>heard about this (medical evidence
>and all) from (gasp!) a
>Hindu priest!

Response: That's cool, theres is a lot of info out there.
>
>Believe that Krishna lived? Don't understand?

Response: One thing I always ask people including Christians is why do you believe this, in other words are you taking someones word for it. Is ther proof, are you just going of faith thats what I meant.
>
>
>
>Yeah, but you didn't answer my
>question "how is it more
>objective than other cutures' works?"
> Other books have made
>prophesies that have come true
>you know.

Response: But, what I am saying is not at the level the bible does. I mean pound for pound.
>
>
>Check any chapter of the Upanishads
>for such prophesies...the Gita has
>prophesies by Krishna about India
>that have come true.

Response: Ok, I'll keep searching for them. No big deal. Hey I understand your busy and all so I'll let you continue in your studies first because that is a top priority. I'll be around so you can reach me any time. I enjoyed our conversation and hope to pick it up later. peace
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