1840, RE: Proposing that people are actually rewarded Posted by foxnesn, Tue Apr-20-04 11:31 AM
>I can appreciate how you feel but I don't believe it's true. > In Japan (a capitalist country by any measure) CEOs are >paid on average 11-12 times what a base-level employee >makes. In the States it's over two hundred times.
so?
There >isn't a free labour market in the US, corporations are >subsidized by the government.
how?
Just because employees agree >to work for that amount doesn't mean that they're happy >about it, or that $18 000 accurately reflects what they add >to the company. Only because of mass unemployment can >WalMart get away with paying such a shitty wage.
walmart should be allowed to pay whatever they want since this is a free country. if you dont like it dont work there and dont go to walmart and support them. > >No one forces people to work at WalMart? What about Ford or >GM, who outsource the majority of their production overseas? > You don't think people are forced to work at WalMart? I >don't think you have a very good idea of what it's like to >be poor.
poor people can work whereever they want. the reason why this post was started was becuase someone said walmart pays poorly and has a poor healthcare record. i dont see this as a big deal cause people are free to work there or not.
Capitalism isn't an absolute, people take various >measures to offset the negative effects of capitalism. >Things like universal health care and education were created >because people knew if the "free market" were to take over >that wealth would centralize and poor people would get >fucked.
you have to pull your own weight, dont expect the rest of society to bear your burden for you.
This is what Adam Smith wrote about in The Wealth >of Nations.
read ayn rands 'virtue of selfishness' > >Inefficient for the economy. By paying people who are lower >on the income ladder more money, you are giving them more >money to spend - which they have to do because they need >things to survive. When you give the rich more money, a lot >of it ends up in hedge funds and speculative investments >which don't contribute to the growth of the economy. The >money just gets kicked around the world looking for weak >markets to exploit.
your talking about shrinking the wealth gap. you are talking about things that do not comply with a free society. i believe in freedom, you believe in limiting people paychecks and you are talking about the redistubution of wealth which is socialism/communism and we both know how that turned out in reality. the elite got even more money. the wealth gap was far greater.
Paying factory workers (or in this >case, WalMart employees) more gives them more money to >spend, which means more profits for you and a bigger >production/distribution base which allows you to exploit >economies of scale (and compete internationally). It's >called Fordism.
that works when only a few companies do that. profit sharing is obviously motivational and improves worker production. but you are talking about a blatant pay raise. how does the corporation pay for all this? you say it will increase profits but that is not a guarantee. if it were a guarantee then every company would do it. > >I think maybe you should read up on economics a bit before >you begin talking about what's good/bad for the American >economy. A lot of the right-wing cats gloss over the broad >implications of what they're saying.
im not right wing, im an objectivist/libertarian. i also get my info from the economist.
> >PS what is it you like so much about capitalism?
the ability to progress rapidly.
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