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Like, PSU is in a world of shit.

A public university aided and abetted a staff member in the ongoing commission of sex crimes against children.

I would imagine accreditation could be at stake.

The LEAST they could do is fire Paterno

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suits that are forthcoming

but regardless of the motivations of the board it is indeed the *right* thing to do.

It would also be the right thing to do would probably be for the university to forfeit the rest of their bowl games, decline a bowl invitation, and dismiss the entire staff in the interim.

That might show that they really do recognize that they can exist without football for a minute & recognize that them putting their football program on the pedestal they did is actually indirectly responsible for subjecting countless victims to unspeakable horrors.

If they're willing to take that financial hit & put a real foot forward in terms of restoring some dignity to the community/school while demonstrating that they realize these final three games don't mean shit in the overall scheme of things, then it might demonstrate that they finally get it at least a little bit.

Fuck waiting on the NCAA to do something (plus going down the slippery-slope of relying on that organization to start policing new things when it can't even handle what's on its plate now with any semblance of sense).

That would be a small price for Penn State University to pay but would be a gesture of at least some meaning.

When compared with the welfare of young people (particularly underprivileged young boys already operating at abject disadvantages in terms of missing a parent or in some cases two, not having financial support for basic needs or growing up in communities so ravaged by the first two that they become violent/dangerous for its inhabitants) a football game should mean NOTHING.

So here's one chance to prove they understand that in some small token way.

Sadly, I can almost guarantee they won't do it.

Instead you'll have a bunch of dumb-ass drunk college kids & local yokels filling up a 90K plus Beaver Stadium hooting/hollering while trying to beat Nebraska (or even worse, factions 'protesting' that they had the gall to fire the coach whose watch this was allowed to happen on making their voices heard, potentially even fighting amongst themselves & others).

Sorry to all the graduating players that you won't get your all-important 'Senior Day' but maybe sometime in the distant future you'll have a university you can be proud of again.

No snark at all.

I just sort of feel though that it's pretty unfair to penalize the players and fans here. They didn't do any of this damage, to make them suffer any more at a time when they so badly need a release seems especially harsh.

Spatnier (sic) and Paterno are gone, the rest are "on leave." The school has done what damage control it can for the imminent time being. I imagine football would be a welcome escape for the majority of the Penn State community.

what was done in their name, in the community, by the man who was effectively their ultimate leader.


I understand what you're saying, but fans & players aren't more important than PSU making very public gestures recognizing what happened.

>No snark at all.
>
>I just sort of feel though that it's pretty unfair to penalize
>the players and fans here. They didn't do any of this damage,
>to make them suffer any more at a time when they so badly need
>a release seems especially harsh.
>
Life isn't fair.

Ask the kids victimized by this mess.

This is beyond football, we are in unchartered waters.

I lack a real parellel comparison but it's not really fair that Matt Barkley won't even play in a real bowl game in his career because of a former player getting side money when he was 14 and the coach who was there is in the NFL but it is what it is.

>Spatnier (sic) and Paterno are gone, the rest are "on leave."
>The school has done what damage control it can for the
>imminent time being. I imagine football would be a welcome
>escape for the majority of the Penn State community.

Placing undue importance on football is at least a contributing factor to why an atrocity like this was allowed to happen for the past two decades.

The whole community needs to take a step back from this & gain some perspective.

It's not as *necessary* an action as canning Paterno was but it still would be the right thing to do.

No good will come of having 100,000 people (lots of them the same drunk kids that were out there doing dumb college kid shit last night who don't fully get it yet) packing into that stadium this Saturday.

Shut it down for the rest of the season, scrap this staff & work towards starting over.

now lets kill the real sick fucks

Pride comes b4 the fall. Hes been Brett Favring the psu for years it took this for them to get rid of him.

gonna get ugly

of retirement/severance that's contractually tied to him keeping his mouth shut

according to the report i just heard, joe pa wasn't even informed he was getting canned

and his morning press statement announcing his 'retirement' after the season kinda shows the two factions are operating on separate planets

when the lawsuits hit

>when the lawsuits hit

is way more important than any hush money when he HAS money-- and three or four years to live.

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But best believe you're gonna hear him talking his out-of-touch & tone-deaf shit somewhere very soon.

criminal charges come his way

god damn theyre mad

61 years and one phone call ended it all.


What I'm trying to figure out is why does Ginger (McQueary) and Curly (leave of absence) get off so damn easy?! If Ginger's bitch ass mans up like he should have none of this even happens.

And I've still got dollars to donuts Paterno knew about Sandusky's "proclivities" before 2002.

BUT Curley and Ginger should have felt the brunt at the same time, if not sooner, than Joe Pa

Sends a message that the buck stops with the two most powerful people on campus. It's better than firing the lackeys, then moving up. Clean up things from the top down.

all of it still pisses me off AND how can a 28 year old man physically witness someone molesting a child and not do shit!? that shit is just baffling to me.

as a proud father, uncle, brother to two sisters i just can't see how that dude just did nothing....

if it's their last name. LMAO
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cause of his red hair

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>61 years and one phone call ended it all.
>

It speaks to the severity of his inaction to the situation.

>It speaks to the severity of his inaction to the situation.
>
>
I feared Joe's end was gonna be an ugly one just for the fact that he'd never leave even though everyone knew he long since should have been gone (which was likely the case a good decade ago at least) but I never, ever, could have imagined it ending this way.

Ugly ain't even the word for what this end is for one of the most storied legacies in the history of college sport, they gotta create a whole new bottom-of-the-barrel term for the depths this thing sank into.

This shit made Mussolini's end seem dignified.

Paterno is holed up at home using an army of undergrads as his Wall of Jericho

they then spent the next ten minutes waiting on speaker with that hot new Joe/Seven-Nation-Army remix as the hold music playing on loop while they went to find the old man.

next time call the cops.

Paterno is a college football legend, and he's still due some respect. But failing to report a child sex crime and enabling a pedophile in order to protect your program went too far.

The Board did the right thing.
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>and he's still due some respect.

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No doubt; as soon as I saw what had happened, I said Paterno had to go. But the guy ran a clean program, he helped to change the lives of a lot of people that played for him.

He wasn't the one who molested the children. Sandusky did. He made a bad decision, but that bad decision shouldn't block out everything positive he has done in his life.
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He knew about it in 2002, and likely 1998, but didn't say anything and let Sandusky keep raping kids for years on end.

There is ZERO respect due to a man who was accessory to child rape.

Sorry.

> But the guy ran a clean program

what type of drugs you on?

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he deserves all this shit

Paterno could be blindfolded with a calendar marking every day of his life on it, point to any given day and it would outshine anything you've ever done in your life.
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and just as irrelevant

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http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/11/9/2551117/a-transcript-of-the-joe-paterno-firing

this is a fucking ridiculous and tragic situation



that said I laughed pretty hard:
>EVERYONE IN ROOM CHANTS SEVEN NATION ARMY FOR TWO MINUTES

The perception is that Joe and the university turned a blind eye to his pedobear ass boy fucking little kids that he preyed on.

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>that he preyed on.



That sick FUCK preyed on kids through his non-profit....that shit was pre meditated sickness man....

>The perception is that Joe and the university turned a blind
>eye to his pedobear ass boy fucking little kids that he preyed
>on.

even if he didn't know the gravity of it, which he probably did, shouldn't he have investigated a little more? or just acted on it because he heard the words "inappropriate" and "kids" in the same sentence?

maybe I'm wrong....but even if he did cover up indirectly by his inaction.... I just wonder if he wasn't given the ultimatum to resign or you're fired...

they could have asked but he'd have made them fire him anyway, that much should be obvious by now.

Dude typed out a 'I'll quit when I say so' memo that he released to the world just this morning.

He probably still doesn't fully grasp that it's over.

It's sad but that is this old man's current state.

after the 04' season

Good.

But this is not a Joe P issue....not even close.

This is a town issue and everybody is in on it, which is why the DA disappeared.

This is a fraternity issue, from the top, starting with the proper authorities, all the way to the bottom, to the janitors.

Like every scandal, certain people will take the fall, while others will never be mentioned ...ever

>This is a town issue and everybody is in on it, which is why
>the DA disappeared.
>
>This is a fraternity issue, from the top, starting with the
>proper authorities, all the way to the bottom, to the
>janitors.
>
>Like every scandal, certain people will take the fall, while
>others will never be mentioned ...ever

>Good.
>
>But this is not a Joe P issue....not even close.
>

I agree here. But I can't watch TV without having his name being presented as the main event of the story. Its the big name to drop and folks are barking all up the wrong tree. The problem is clearly that a dude with a problem did a lot of stuff to a lot of minors. On the fringe is the fact that he put a lot of people (Joe Pa included) in terrible spots and forced the issue on having someone involve the hell out of themselves to get him dealt with. It ain't like every victim is going to freely and quickly come forward on something like that. Say the word 'Catholic' and go down that street, and things get even more crazy...that's right...I went there too.

I just don't know enough particulars to hang the whole thing on Joe. I just know that without that gig as a part of his world, I give dude 2 years to live..tops. Even if I don't necessarily 'feel sorry' for him, I feel bad for that and I loathe the coverage..if you're foolish, you'd think Joe Pa is the main person who could've told on the dude/got him stopped. And when people go into morality mode, I just clock out. Almost everyone's moral compass is wonky depending on what the situation is. For instance, cats KNOW girls at school and women at their jobs out there getting beat up by their dudes and you and I both know that folks aren't going to the hoop on getting that stopped. Hell, some cats have females in their family going through that.

Jimaveli

>This is a town issue and everybody is in on it, which is why
>the DA disappeared.
>
>This is a fraternity issue, from the top, starting with the
>proper authorities, all the way to the bottom, to the
>janitors.
>
>Like every scandal, certain people will take the fall, while
>others will never be mentioned ...ever

>>Good.
>>
>>But this is not a Joe P issue....not even close.
>>
>
>I agree here. But I can't watch TV without having his name
>being presented as the main event of the story. Its the big
>name to drop and folks are barking all up the wrong tree. The
>problem is clearly that a dude with a problem did a lot of
>stuff to a lot of minors. On the fringe is the fact that he
>put a lot of people (Joe Pa included) in terrible spots and
>forced the issue on having someone involve the hell out of
>themselves to get him dealt with. It ain't like every victim
>is going to freely and quickly come forward on something like
>that. Say the word 'Catholic' and go down that street, and
>things get even more crazy...that's right...I went there too.
>
>I just don't know enough particulars to hang the whole thing
>on Joe. I just know that without that gig as a part of his
>world, I give dude 2 years to live..tops. Even if I don't
>necessarily 'feel sorry' for him, I feel bad for that and I
>loathe the coverage..if you're foolish, you'd think Joe Pa is
>the main person who could've told on the dude/got him stopped.
>And when people go into morality mode, I just clock out.
>Almost everyone's moral compass is wonky depending on what the
>situation is. For instance, cats KNOW girls at school and
>women at their jobs out there getting beat up by their dudes
>and you and I both know that folks aren't going to the hoop on
>getting that stopped. Hell, some cats have females in their
>family going through that.
>

True.

Paterno has to go and is legally, could face charges. But life is more complicated than people are playing it here or no pedophiles, date rapists or wife beaters would be able to get away with what they do.

When family or loved ones or trusted colleagues are involved, people don't want to believe they are capable of stuff like that. The guy probably told Joe, hey it wasnt what it looked like, it was all a mistake, never gonna happen again...and it worked.

Fucked up? Yes.

Does that excuse Paterno? Not in the least.

But this is the reality of human beings and society. I had a friend who had a very volatile relationship with his longtime girlfriend and one time pushed her down the stairs during a fight. I was not there but other closer friends of his were and it was told to me. Nobody did anything in terms of contacting the authorities. It was generally thought of as "fucked up" but "their problem".

When I was at Howard there was a domestic violence and possible sexual assualt that happened in a room on my floor, where this girl fled a guys room screaming in the middle of the night. No one I know did anything or attempted to investigate what happened. To my knowledge, no one said anything to the guy and he continued to live in the dorm the rest of the year.

I knew cats in the hood, who openly fucked with and impregnated 14, 15, 16 year old girls. No one said anything and that includes some of these girls "parents". While I always expressed my disgust at such activities, I never called the authorities.

I mean, shit, if you lived in the hood you might have known someone who murdered someone else. I witnessed a murder on my block years and years ago, knew who did it and never even thought of going to the police.

I say this just to point out that for all the moral indignation, I bet most people can find lapses in their own life. Whether on this scale or not, times where looking back, you can honestly say you might have failed to do what was morally right. Or excused yourself by saying you didn't know all the details, or it was not any of your business, or whatever.

Joe Paterno deserves what he gets but let's not pretend that this shit is limited to college athletics. People turn blind eyes all the time and I am willing to bet that most people in here have as well. Maybe it wasn't to homosexual rape of a child...but that doesn't make it better.

who's affected by this (speaking beyond the actual victims of these crimes and more regarding PSU employees).

The president, VP, AD & likely entire coaching staff in addition to Paterno will all lose their jobs while Sandusky spends the rest of his life in a cell before being sent to Hell.

Joe is the name that rings bells. Joe is the one constant fixture & iconic face of State College (along with being on the Mount Rushmore of his sport) for the past 62 years.

He's the one we identify with that university, that program & that town.

There isn't statues of Spanier or documentary films made about Curley.

There isn't kids turning over newsvans & chanting Gary Schultz' name.

Paterno *is* Penn State.

He had the power to put a stop to this at least a decade ago that we know about (that's being generous).

The glory/praise/power was all funneled his way for the second half of the last century carrying all the way through to today so when something this horrific (the worst collegiate athletic scandal in history) then he's gonna get the lion's share of the press on it as well (no pun intended).

Don't they engage in a 1,500 person or more riot like once every 3 years? They rioted earlier this year after Osama bin Laden was killed, right?

>
>Don't they engage in a 1,500 person or more riot like once
>every 3 years? They rioted earlier this year after Osama bin
>Laden was killed, right?


1. no

2. no

3. no



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I only remember because after the Osama Riots they put up the "recent rioting history" kind of facts at the time.

In 1998, 34 police officers were hurt when a large crowd at Penn State’s summer arts and crafts festival rioted. Alumni reportedly joined with students in confronting police, in a two and ½ hour brawl that featured 1,500 people and 150 police officers.

In 2000, police and students squared off again, at the summer Arts Festival, with a bigger crowd confronting police for 90 minutes.

In 2001, a destructive riot broke out after Penn State lost a playoff basketball game to Temple in March. A crowd of 50 people crew to 4,000 quickly in town and 60 police officers were on hand. About 20 arrests were made as police used pepper spray on the crowd that was apparently drunk.

The Osama Riots:
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2011/05/02/students_gather_in_beaver_canyon_following_osama_bin_ladens_death.aspx

There's more. I just aint looking for alldat right now. I got a slow connection. They seem riot happy.

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God bless 'em.

and turned immediately around even though I was swerved. I think I remember it started with a party ball being thrown off a balcony party and a cop on the street threw it back up and then a riot broke out. How that makes sence I don't know. At psu on beaver ave there is a "canyon" created by the high rise apartment buildings. There is a pizza place where they sell cheap slices so after the bars let out there is a shit load of drunk people around street and plenty of drunk parties going on the balconies overlooking the street. Arts fest is a yearly festival in the summer where random crafts are sold. a lot of students come up to visit friends that are there and it is an extremely busy weekend.

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except penn state

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

ass niggas
laura nelson those pussies from a fucking bridge
knew this shit was gon happen just off media pressure
fuck it

edit: let me calm down. this is a lil extreme. mad as fuck tho and i know muthafuckers STILL gon be talking bout this shit even tho they got what they wanted.
meanwhile (c) doom
sandusky is free on bond doing who knows what and isn't up for preliminary hearing until december. bitch ass nigga prolly off himself by then

exactly

Well I hope people move on to the real issue now. The program was infected and needed a change. But the focus needs to be on how beyond Paterno, others on every level failed. It's wild how many chances there were to stop the fucking guy that weren't seized.

or if he didn't cover up knowing that dude was molesting kids..

it's fukked up to not let him finish the season...


I dunno... it just doesn't sit well with me that they did Coach like this if he wasn't part of a cover up, or if he didn't know/believe that a crime against a child took place...

hold people accountable so much...if someone you dealing with is on some outside the box freaky sick ass shit...Coach ain't set the environment for that shit...he didn't cosign or facitilate that shit in no way...

If Joe Paterno wasn't fukkin with no kids...setting it up...or looking the other way while it happened...you let the man finish the season and walk out with his dignity.

than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

>RE: if Sandusky was doing that shit...that's on him......you can only

>hold people accountable so much...if someone you dealing with
>is on some outside the box freaky sick ass shit...Coach ain't
>set the environment for that shit...he didn't cosign or
>facitilate that shit in no way...
>
>If Joe Paterno wasn't fukkin with no kids...setting it up...or
>looking the other way while it happened...you let the man
>finish the season and walk out with his dignity.

shit another muthafukka did...

a child's potential innocence. If a reasonable person could deduct that there is questionable behavior afoot, do something.

We don't know precisely what Joe did but we know what he didn't do:

1.) He didn't camp out at the police station, as JoePa and ask for an investigation.
2.) He didn't report this to national media.


He didn't do much, so far as I can tell--except keep coaching his football team.

That's what Joe Paterno did by not taking the lead here.

A leader is what coaches are supposed to be.



>shit another muthafukka did...
>
>

Plausible deniability... he didn't "want" to know...
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with his program. That alone justifies firing his ass.

>Coach ain't
>set the environment for that shit...he didn't cosign or
>facitilate that shit in no way...

sick trapped-door charity for years past the 2002 incident according to Paul Posluszny (who got there in 2003).

Of an incident with a boy in the shower with him
Which sandusky admitted to only to receive a slap on the wrist
Said he was "horseplaying" read the indictment pdf u will change your tune

98 then 2002? No fucking way after two incidents of that nature. Then after 2002 to not take this guy to task about his associations with kids, to not make sure on the welfare of any potential alleged victims and on his fucking LEGACY, the community, etc not follow through on making sure this was properly handled?

Fuck no.

Fired should be the least of his worries. When all of the fed shit comes through in terms of non-reporting, etc, the entire community is about to fall apart. Penn State is in danger of losing much if not all of it's federal funding, indictments are coming down, etc.

Even if he escapes being charged? He's going to be, in his twilight years, witness to the entire community falling down around him--one that depends on State football economically, etc.

And he'll know that he could have ended this years ago.

If it turns out that Sandusky is a killer and Paterno feared for his life? Maybe...MAYBE there can be a degree of space given.

>98 then 2002? No fucking way after two incidents of that
>nature. Then after 2002 to not take this guy to task about
>his associations with kids, to not make sure on the welfare of
>any potential alleged victims and on his fucking LEGACY, the
>community, etc not follow through on making sure this was
>properly handled?
>
>Fuck no.

take him to task???

what the fukk is that???

child molestation is a fukkin crime that needs to be dealt with by the police....taking someone to task ain't gonna do shit.





>
>Fired should be the least of his worries. When all of the fed
>shit comes through in terms of non-reporting, etc, the entire
>community is about to fall apart. Penn State is in danger of
>losing much if not all of it's federal funding, indictments
>are coming down, etc.
>
>Even if he escapes being charged? He's going to be, in his
>twilight years, witness to the entire community falling down
>around him--one that depends on State football economically,
>etc.
>
>And he'll know that he could have ended this years ago.
>
>If it turns out that Sandusky is a killer and Paterno feared
>for his life? Maybe...MAYBE there can be a degree of space
>give...


As someone who works with high school children...I am a mandated reporter for child abuse. I have a legal obligation to report any suspected act of child abuse. If I do not do that, in the least I lose my job.... I have to participate in training every year to verify that I am aware of this obligation...

I'm pretty sure that an 84 year old college football coach is NOT a mandated reporter....first off because he is not working with minor children....secondly even if he were...the obligation to report is on the person who witnessed the crime...

you're talking about taking someone to task....fukk that.... this is a legal police mater and if the ball was dropped..it was dropped by the people who were initially aware of this and did not report it to the police.

About other states.

( I believe--correct me if I'm wrong) It includes College and University personnel. Aside from the law, unless you fear for your life you're a fucking coward for not stepping up.

This, in the least, is a national news story. IN THE LEAST. If you don't trust the cops, can't go to the cops, or other authorities, you leak it to an out-of-region press corps like the NYTimes.

Period. Joe could have did that. He didn't. He didn't give a shit about those kids. He had a football program to run. Kids getting fucked in the ass by a grown ass man is perfectly alright as long as he's met his minimum requirement of reporting, I guess.

This may or may not have been adjusted but what Findlaw has is consistent with what I know from state employees I know:

Physicians, hospital personnel, dentists psychologists, nurses, social workers, counselors, school teachers/officials, child welfare agency and child service organization personnel, law enforcement personnel, podiatrists

http://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/child-abuse/georgia/



>>98 then 2002? No fucking way after two incidents of that
>>nature. Then after 2002 to not take this guy to task about
>>his associations with kids, to not make sure on the welfare
>of
>>any potential alleged victims and on his fucking LEGACY, the
>>community, etc not follow through on making sure this was
>>properly handled?
>>
>>Fuck no.
>
>take him to task???
>
>what the fukk is that???
>
>child molestation is a fukkin crime that needs to be dealt
>with by the police....taking someone to task ain't gonna do
>shit.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>Fired should be the least of his worries. When all of the
>fed
>>shit comes through in terms of non-reporting, etc, the
>entire
>>community is about to fall apart. Penn State is in danger
>of
>>losing much if not all of it's federal funding, indictments
>>are coming down, etc.
>>
>>Even if he escapes being charged? He's going to be, in his
>>twilight years, witness to the entire community falling down
>>around him--one that depends on State football economically,
>>etc.
>>
>>And he'll know that he could have ended this years ago.
>>
>>If it turns out that Sandusky is a killer and Paterno feared
>>for his life? Maybe...MAYBE there can be a degree of space
>>give...
>
>
>As someone who works with high school children...I am a
>mandated reporter for child abuse. I have a legal obligation
>to report any suspected act of child abuse. If I do not do
>that, in the least I lose my job.... I have to participate in
>training every year to verify that I am aware of this
>obligation...
>
>I'm pretty sure that an 84 year old college football coach is
>NOT a mandated reporter....first off because he is not working
>with minor children....secondly even if he were...the
>obligation to report is on the person who witnessed the
>crime...
>
>you're talking about taking someone to task....fukk that....
>this is a legal police mater and if the ball was dropped..it
>was dropped by the people who were initially aware of this and
>did not report it to the police.

>About other states.
>
>( I believe--correct me if I'm wrong) It includes College and
>University personnel. Aside from the law, unless you fear for
>your life you're a fucking coward for not stepping up.
>
>This, in the least, is a national news story. IN THE LEAST.
>If you don't trust the cops, can't go to the cops, or other
>authorities, you leak it to an out-of-region press corps like
>the NYTimes.
>

>Period. Joe could have did that. He didn't. He didn't give
>a shit about those kids. He had a football program to run.
>Kids getting fucked in the ass by a grown ass man is perfectly
>alright as long as he's met his minimum requirement of
>reporting, I guess.

You assume Joe knew kids was getting fukked in his ass...or he set up an environment where kids could get fukked. I'm not willing to say that, nor should anyone else based on what's known yet.

He didn't see shit.....someone mentioned something to him. He claims that the person told him there was some "horsing around". Ok... I mean Joe Pa is 84...how was he to know what was really going on.

Just last year...a situation was brought to me by a teacher....the way the situation was brought to me gave me the impression it was about something verbal...come to find out it was about something physical.....at the end of the day the teacher shouldn't have brought it to me...they should have reported it to the authorities themself. The shit had nothing to do with me other than getting misinformation from someone who didn't do their job properly.

That's the incident McQueary reported to him. Of course he set up an environment for kids to get fucked. The minute after he was told about the shower, after knowing about 1998?

That's precisely what he was doing.


>>About other states.
>>
>>( I believe--correct me if I'm wrong) It includes College
>and
>>University personnel. Aside from the law, unless you fear
>for
>>your life you're a fucking coward for not stepping up.
>>
>>This, in the least, is a national news story. IN THE LEAST.
>
>>If you don't trust the cops, can't go to the cops, or other
>>authorities, you leak it to an out-of-region press corps
>like
>>the NYTimes.
>>
>
>>Period. Joe could have did that. He didn't. He didn't
>give
>>a shit about those kids. He had a football program to run.
>>Kids getting fucked in the ass by a grown ass man is
>perfectly
>>alright as long as he's met his minimum requirement of
>>reporting, I guess.
>
>You assume Joe knew kids was getting fukked in his ass...or he
>set up an environment where kids could get fukked. I'm not
>willing to say that, nor should anyone else based on what's
>known yet.
>
>He didn't see shit.....someone mentioned something to him. He
>claims that the person told him there was some "horsing
>around". Ok... I mean Joe Pa is 84...how was he to know what
>was really going on.
>
>Just last year...a situation was brought to me by a
>teacher....the way the situation was brought to me gave me the
>impression it was about something verbal...come to find out it
>was about something physical.....at the end of the day the
>teacher shouldn't have brought it to me...they should have
>reported it to the authorities themself. The shit had nothing
>to do with me other than getting misinformation from someone
>who didn't do their job properly.
>
>

>That's the incident McQueary reported to him. Of course he
>set up an environment for kids to get fucked. The minute
>after he was told about the shower, after knowing about 1998?

Or should the person who saw you fukkin the goat???

I didn't see shit....the shit sounds crazy to me....I'ma tell the person who saw the shit to report it if they believe that's what they saw.....

the report to be credible.

I think niggas just want to play dumb.


I might have to stop posting here, fam

seriously.

what else do folk need to know, man. this shit is disgusting.

YOU should call.

exactly!!

That's all it would've taken, a simple phone call. Not in 02 mind you, in 98. But nonetheless that's all it wouldve taken even if these bold accusations proved untrue, he would've at least done his part. Instead he did nothing and let this persist for over 10 years. Flat out inexcusable.

honestly what he should have done was tell the person who saw it to report it to the campus police......while Joe Pa informs the AD, and cooperates with the investigation

CLOSE FUCKING POST!!!

down to the police station?

No?

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Whether or not Paterno broke the law is waaaaay down the list in assessing his continued employment at PSU.

the insinuation is that he didn't handle a "crime" situation properly....

crime=legalalty....ie. legal obligations...

people right here in this thread are insinuating that Joe Pa was party to a "crime"...

It's pedophilia. The most depraved thing a person can be associated with. And now it's associated with PSU, thanks to Paterno and his ilk. That alone justifies his firing. But there are so many other reasons, it's hard to understand why anyone can be angry about kicking this guy to the curb.

I think he's earned the right not to place something so sick on him if he didn't do it.

It seems like you don't understand the seriousness of the situation.

This guy could have been locked up years ago. If one of those victims was your kid, you'd be mad as fuck.

for much more trivial matters when it involved any suspicion of his players fucking up. Dude pulled kids out of class to chew their ass out when their grades were slipping. He had the team clean the stadium after every game because of reports that two players got in a fight at a party.

And now he's just gonna go up the chain, instead of using his power as the most influential dude in State College, PA, when a grad assistant that he liked enough to add to staff reports that his coach is fucking kids on team property? And then he continually allowed Sandusky to use school property, and let Sandusky continue to bring kids to PSU events?

Well, I guess he did use his power as the most influential dude in State College, PA, he just used it to enable his friend to continue to be a slimeball.

Who knows if we will ever really know but I am convinced that this was a decision that involved a lot more people than just Paterno. The info went up the chain, the decision came back down.

The problem I have is that everyone, Paterno included, didn't do more to distance themselves from Sandusky and stop enabling him.

I sort of agree with Coolidge on this and like I said in the other post, yes, I thought it was acceptable that Paterno ride out the last month and a half of the season. I think it was Will that said that was sort of thinking that created this problem, I see that argument but I think it's a bit of a reach. If this was almost anyone involved with the football program, they would have done the same thing probably. If it were a janitor (as in his example), sure, I bet they would have fried the guy but that's moot because no janitor would be running a charity and bringing kids around.

Paterno didn't commit the act and at this point we're not entirely sure what he said (and to whom) and what he didn't say (and why). What difference does it make if he's gone now or he's gone in seven weeks?

business as usual in the face of everything swirling around the university and the football program right now and in the next month. it would be a slap in the face to all the alleged victims and everyone who's outraged and disgusted about the situation.

i think it should seriously consider forfeiting the last 2 road games. i support the decision to allow the seniors to have Senior Day at home this week. but i think it's probably a bad idea for the team to travel for those last 2 games. this shit is too deep for that.

youre talking about forfeiture of games, which is past firing paterno and in between that and canceling the season.

if the program is facing a complete overhaul and at least some possibility of sanctions, that makes it that much more important they cash in on a bowl-eligible season now. i dont mean to make this all about football, i've already talked about paterno being a big cog in a larger machine and the pros/cons of firing him though.

the thing to me is that this is already fucked. it's fucked for the players in the program now and for the program going forward. i didn't see the harm in his staying until season's end and riding out the end of this campaign.

it had allowed the football program to continue w/business as usual. the football program's brand has already taken a massive hit and what's left of it would've suffered even more harm if it had continued on w/Joe as coach through the last 3 games.

mind.

legality or not, JoePa had a moral obligation and Sandusky was a close friend. after 98 and then 2002 being told this shit - at the very least sexual in nature he should have continued to follow up and if the police were not involved take it on yourself as the most powerful person on campus.

After JoePa was told by McQuery he continued to let Sandusky use team facilities for not only working out (last fucking week!) but let his Second Mile org use team facilities and the University itself to promote the program. Players volunteered often and Sandusky was seen with kids on campus as late as 2009!

Maybe JoePa didn't commit a crime (he may have federally) but his moral obligation as this continued year after year from 2002 on (who knows how many kids Sandusky abused in his foster home or before 1998) while he allowed this man on campus - is clear.

JoePa covered this up just like the AD, the Prez, etc. He wanted to protect Penn St., his image and that of his friend. If JoePa continued to let this man on campus at all and with kids years after being told something by McQuery shows you where JoePa's priorities lie.



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mandatory reporter law states that everyone is only obligated to report to their supervisor any incidents all the way up to the top person on campus. The top person then has to notify authorities.

Where Joe fucked up, in the least, is in allowing Sandusky continued unsupervised access to state college facilities for YEARS after being notified that Sandusky was molest children ON CAMPUS IN THE FOOTBALL FACILITIES.

Cats mad at McQuery for not jumping dude, but not mad at Joe for not taking Sandusky's keys from him makes no sense to me.

THAT'S HIS F^#%ING PROFESSION.

He routinely recruits 15-17yr old boys to come to his school to play football. Parents entrust their children to his care. And when he has a chance to act in a situation to ensure the safety of little boys he turns a blind eye?

There's NO EXCUSE for Paterno not taking this to the next level esp the 2nd time he heard about this in 2002. A leader calls MM & takes him down to the police station so that MM can tell the police what he was told.


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Naw, you're exaggerating the predicament. Joe is not going to be charged or convicted of anything. This is as far as it is going to go with him.
Period.

He reported what he knew and cooperated with the Grand Jury to the fullest, and his deposition coincides with the Graduate Assistance's deposition.


The Joe P chapter of this book is over, now lets move on to more meaningful chapters.

Why aren't reporters standing outside of Jerry Sandusky's home?
Where are the reports on his whereabouts?..Why aren't reporters trying to track down victims? ...Where are the closeups? ..The details?

Come on, man

The scandal reporting on this has been horrible.


People are cheering as if everything has been justified, off of a fucking firing of a 85 year old coach?

Now the focus is going to be on who coaches the team next, and the game itself on Saturday.

Still no in-depth reporting on everyone else....

man they are running a fuck job on everyone....

Technically, I couldn't give a rats ass about Joe old ass ......

Put the cameras on the fucking graduate assistance...that is the fucker I want to see. Where is he?...Oh, snap, he is still a coach, but Joe is gone.....Where is the AD and Schultz? ...somewhere out on bail.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html#incart_hbx



I saw another about the sister of one of the victims who attends Penn State and was sickened by those making light of the situation. I'm sure we'll get more, and the press was outside of his house Monday. I have a pic of ABC fucking up and putting Peen State as a caption as Sandusky left his house.

are you saying the sisters were making light of it???????

Oh no, students at Penn State, http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sister_of_sandusky_victim_talk.html

again everything is motivated by money

>If Coach Paterno didn't know that dude was molesting kids

to have the proper authorities have a look into the situation...all he wouldve had to do was whisper to the proper authorities...and that shit wouldve gotten handled...

"Joseph V Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report...Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior...and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Fondling

Sexual Nature

still think he didn't know?

oh, and Schultz testified that he knew about the 98' investigation.

but JoePa didn't?

c'mon son, the information is out there

the subject matter makes people uncomfortable, embarrassed, ashamed, etc..

it's easier to ignore the facts

I too was defending Paterno (whom I will no longer refer to as JoePa)

but living in the information age does not allow ignorance to be a defense

it's hard to read the grand jury testimony

but the facts are there, in plain sight

try and catch up yeah?

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If he was told that Sandusky was raping children in the locker room on his campus, he needs to do more than just tell his fucking AD. This is not something you just sit back and say, "Well I did my part". Meanwhile, this asshole continues his children's "charity" and has free reign on the campus.

It's not like this guy stole some money out of somebody's locker or some shit. This first thing he should done was call the police. Fuck your boss, KIDS ARE BEING RAPED. You don't play around with this shit, you don't take chances with it, when someone tells you he saw a 10 year being butt-fucked by your 60 year old assistant emeritus in the shower you take it seriously, err on the side of caution, and call the police.

Bottom line, Paterno knew about it and did what amounted to nothing, and y'all sons of bitches are feeling sorry for him because he got fired.

That's shameful.

Sure, the AD & President had a legal & moral obligation. However, Paterno LEADS young men as his profession. He recruits 15-17yr old boys to come play for his football team. Parents select Penn State as a destination for their kids because they trust that Paterno will take care of them & help instill the proper values. Paterno has a vested interest in the safety of young men & when he has an opportunity to lead and save boys from a child molester ON HIS STAFF he doesn't take action to ensure their safety? And even worse he enables this to continue for another seven years minimum? Folx don't see how that's every bit as problematic even if there isn't a legal requirement to report what happened? The moral requirement should have compelled him to act if he's anything close the man he portrayed himself to be.

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I understand he's the face of Penn State. Nobody would know McQueary or Sandusky if they walked in the room right now. But it's just a TINY bit fucked up that they sent him away like this.

WHAT ABOUT MCQUEARY YO?! HE WAS 28 WHEN HE SAW THAT SHIT! WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKK

McQueary was wrong not to intervene. However, JoePa is the leader of that football program & Sandusky was once his direct report. Also, JoePa is the leader of young men. He recruits teenage boys to come play for his football team. If ANYONE should have put an end to this it's Paterno.


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guess where the buck stops?

'w/great power comes great responsibility.'

SOMEONE ISN'T RAPING SMALL BOYS.

I don't care if it's some dude who works down the hall who you've never even met before.

YOU FUCKING MAKE SURE THE POLICE KNOW & INVESTIGATE.

bad was going on and Sandusky had free reign thru his org on campus and was there last week. 2002 is 9 years ago!

so just passing up the chair of command and washing your hands of the situation while in your head you know some shit is going on and the guy is still around kids on and off campus?



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PED STATE

.

Like, it makes NFC East shit talk look like a slumber party. Or Raiders-Niners events look like a tea party.

most raiders fans never went to the same party as al davis or richard seymour.

being on campus makes you feel like a -part- of it. even when you're not.

not saying all that to excuse the action of misguided penn staters, just saying that it's different.

>being on campus makes you feel like a -part- of it. even when
>you're not.

That's why it's so damn crazy. I mean, the caroling for Joe's behalf. WTF?!

made me think of that tree-poisoning possum eater.

it can be funny as shit (as the OU-UT rivalry was lampooned on KOTH, or the UF-UGA or UM-O$U shit can get in OKS and GD), but man, when that shit goes bad...

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>most raiders fans never went to the same party as al davis or
>richard seymour.
>
>being on campus makes you feel like a -part- of it. even when
>you're not.
>
>not saying all that to excuse the action of misguided penn
>staters, just saying that it's different.



Very good points

but in '02 and all the years after, he chose poorly. should got rid of the guys...completey severed ties.

should be a buyout at worst, i would think.

who knows what is happening though. surely we'll find out soon.

rather than handles a situation like a grown-up either in the moment or anytime in the following ten years.

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Old ass wanted to go out to a cheering stadium too. LOL

The moment he decided that going to the AD was enough sealed his fate. He knows it now too. About 10 years and how many victims too late.

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Same as it ever was!

-countless children suffering the worst form of abuse possible
-a destroyed legacy of a storied coach
-a destroyed football program, university and community
-what will be an inconceivable amount of financial losses
-highly educated, highly successful authorities doing hard time

all this over a fucking defensive coordinator? impossible.

the football program generated 100s of millions of dollars for Penn State University. And NO ONE wanted to disrupt that. Its a failure all around from the Grad Assist to the Board of Trustees. Had these allegations came out back in 1998 or 2002, the product on the field would of suffered. Alumni might not of donated as much, enrollment might of dropped. these boys was seen as collateral damage. that's the real travesty.

Posluszny's freshman year was 2003. Mike McQueary told JoePa what he saw or a version of what he say in 2002. We all know JoePa did not follow up and did not use his power with the cops to get this taken care of.

So, 2003, Paul's fresh year he says from then on Sandusky was a presence on campus, in the team's facilities, running his program using Penn St as a marketing tool, having players volunteer for Second Mile - all a year after JoePa was told was McQueary saw.

If that doesn't tell you much about JoePa and his moral obligation I don't know what else will.

JoePa holds he players accountable and to high standards, we should all then hold JoePa to even higher.

Poslusny says: "If he knew exactly what was going on, you have to. You have to tell. You can’t let that go. If he knew exactly what was going on as a human, you can’t let that go."

Pretty much cut and dry.

And, shame on the students rioting on campus to support JoePa. My god it's disgusting. Privileged fucking kids.




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i heard some PSU football alum say this morning that he came up through the 2nd Mile program and had spent time w/Sandusky. he said during his time @ 2nd Mile whenever they were alone in S's car, S would put his hand on dude's thigh.

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kids to wealthy donors.

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm

if this shoe drops it's a hydrogen bomb dropped on top of hiroshima.

this shit gets worse and worse. and, i want to know if the first DA from '98 that disappeared is connected to all of this.

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my diploma has an asterik now.

but on another note... if that is true.
god.

Sandusky is going to end up like Ken Lay.

i don't know his work, honestly. i do know he wrote some about sandusky in april, well before all of this. regardless of his general reputation he's got some credibility on this issue, at least for the moment. that's why i thought it was worth sharing.

Him?

who knows if there is any truth to it but i am not discounting it. plus the that comes out, the more likely it was something like this. from the sound of things, sandusky was an outright fiend. this wasnt like an in-house family thing or a romance with an underaged prostitute or some sporadic thing, he was collecting vulnerable kids. six adoptions, shitload of foster kids, all these kids in the program, etc. this guy seems like he was DEEP in little boys.

As in living in Argentina with a new face and identity?

is that for real?

I forgot about how GHWB was at his private funeral. goddamn. that shit is shady.

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bringing up #occupy in here.

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In the frenzied hours after the Penn State Board of Trustees announced that Joe Paterno was being relieved of his duties as football coach effective immediately, students in State College took to the streets in support of the former coach and analysts around the country sought to place his fall from grace in perspective.

Several hours earlier, Paterno had issued an independent statement, revealing his own intention to retire after the season. Clearly, the Board of Trustees felt Paterno needed to go sooner for his complicity in -- or, at least, his indifference toward -- the heinous sexual assaults committed by former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

With Paterno's career having come to a sudden, inglorious conclusion and Beaver Canyon overrun with students, some whom flipped two television news trucks, it seemed that Penn State had reached its nadir.

Perhaps not.

Shockingly, there are reports that even more depraved details about the sexual crimes committed by Sandusky will be revealed in the coming days. As the quasi-riots shook the Penn State campus late Wednesday evening and early Thursday morning, SportsByBrooks began tweeting ominous messages about allegations that have yet to become public.


@SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday
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SPORTSbyBROOKS If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.
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@SPORTSbyBROOKS
SPORTSbyBROOKS This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
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Several hours after these SportsByBrooks tweets, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden appeared on The Dennis and Callahan Show on WEEI in Boston and shared what he believes those allegations to be.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden said on the radio. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

Madden has been following the Sandusky case long before the former coach's alleged sex crimes against young boys became widely known several days ago. In April, Madden authored an article for the Beaver County Times positing that Sandusky's sex crimes had been swept under the rug by Penn State in the late 1990s in exchange for his quiet resignation.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," said Madden during his Thursday morning radio appearance. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

If the allegations that Madden is making are indeed the same ones foreshadowed by Brooks and they turn out to be true then this entire scandal will continue to metastasize and the firing of Paterno will only be the beginning.

>"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered,
>and I talked about this in my original article back in April,
>is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told
>that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," said Madden
>during his Thursday morning radio appearance. "If you look at
>the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?


If every single person is somehow implicated in either actively looking the other way, or actually being complicit in a cover-up... I mean?

What the fuck?

Sandusky really may have had dirt on Penn St. that gave them a reason to cover this up.

tell me what dirt is so bad that you gon cover up rapin kids?


i'll wait

.

a lot though.

especially if penn state profited in some way from this.

>tell me what dirt is so bad that you gon cover up rapin kids?
>
>
>
>i'll wait

http://gawker.com/5858232/what-if-everyone-involved-in-this-penn-state-scandal-were-black



What If Everyone Involved in This Penn State Scandal Were Black?
It's times like this—when a "hero" beloved for not-quite-justified reasons meets a scandalous end, and college kids start rioting in the streets over sports, not social justice—when we, as a nation, need to sit back, take a deep collective breath, and ask ourselves: "Can you imagine if everyone involved in this thing were black?"

JERRY SANDUSKY, FOOTBALL COACH AND CHILD MOLESTER: "Monster. Sickening. Monster. Monster of inhuman monsters. One million years buried beneath the jail is not long enough for this monster. One second is too long to wait for this monster's lethal injection. I say lethally inject him, throw him in solitary, and don't let his dead body out for a million and one years." (To be fair, people may feel like this about white Jerry Sandusky also! At least until his teary Dateline jailhouse interview airs, and time softens the outrage, and everyone remembers those great defenses he coached.)

JOE PATERNO, HEAD COACH FOR LIFE AT PENN STATE AND PENNSYLVANIA'S MOST POPULAR MAN, FOR SOME REASON: Monster. Damn near as bad as the monster molester himself. Why didn't he do more...something... anything to stop that monster? I know why. Those types always stick together.

ALL THE PENN STATE STUDENTS WHO RIOTED AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF PATERNO'S FIRING: Jesus Christ. Thugs. Animals. Can you believe these thugs, burning and looting to protect their great hero, a common criminal? College kids, my ass. Let's call them what they are: thugs. Perhaps it was rash for the police to shoot those three, but come on. Act like thugs, get treated like thugs.

Of course if Penn State were a black school, none of this would have been a huge national story anyhow. In post-racial America, HBCU football sucks. Go Bison!

people were more outraged about dogs

ppl seem much more outraged over this than they were over Vick. ppl outside Pennsylvania, i mean.

.

the rest of the country will be focused on this for about another week if that. Here in PA the outrage is going to last until all of these scumbags are dead.

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seriously though i always thought ITWAN arguments are silly.

that all coaches basically do anyway

he didnt get to finish that season but he came back to coach the next one when we lost to the hawks in a10 tourney.

there is no real comparison for the two incidents although i basically agree with what you're saying. chaney could have played it a little cooler and he got unlucky in the first place that the player actually got injured ... but he still did the same thing a ton of other coaches have done.

it's not AS bad as the fab 5 thing, anyone with eyes knew something was askew there and it was a more imaginable crime. but i cannot imagine that with a decent sized press corps in harrisburg/state college flanked by two major markets on each side of the state that NO ONE suspected a thing all this time. obviously there had been some reports on it but this is the sort of thing that makes a career if you break the story.

has EVERY journalist abandoned personal ambition and public service to avoid stepping on the wrong toes or what?

>
>has EVERY journalist abandoned personal ambition and public
>service to avoid stepping on the wrong toes or what?

I am not 100% how grand juries work but all that info is sealed until it is over. The story I read mentioned that Joe pa had to go before the grand jury but I figured it was some sort of character witness thing. I had now reason to think it was like this

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-rewind-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_2524f02c-0bb5-11e1-9f46-001a4bcf6878.html

He also said in the podcast that JoePa & Penn State controlled the media and hid everything as long as they could..


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made a huge effort to keep it quiet.

i have not been able to avoid thinking about this a lot and more and more i am of the mind that this had to be done. i wanted badly to defend paterno and believe maybe he was just caught up in fucked up circumstances but i'm having a hard time imagining anything close to a justification.

involved in a cover up in 1998.

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http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

michael5148 posted at 3:28 pm on Mon, Apr 4, 2011.
This has got to be the worst piece of journalism I have ever seen. What knowledge do you have of this? I am unsubscribing from this newspaper solely because of this rag of an article.


MarkPA posted at 6:15 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.
Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances

Oh, you mean the rumors Madden has no problem throwing out whether or not they are based in fact? This typical character assassination is something that never should have seen the light of day, and it's a shame the Times sees no problems still writing this guy a check to put out unsubstantiated garbage like this.

reacting and some of the letters to the editor makes me sick. Entitled idiots.

Be humbled.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_child_sex-abuse_sca.html

organization to report that former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky had been charged with child sex abuse. Since then, the national media have descended on Happy Valley and our own coverage has drawn 6 million page views on PennLive.com.

While many readers have expressed their appreciation for our coverage, some have asked: Forget Joe Paterno or Graham Spanier. Why didn’t The Patriot-News investigate these allegations sooner?

That’s an important question. Here is the answer:




The Patriot-News broke the story that Jerry Sandusky was being investigated for child sex abuse back in March. We told the stories of two victims in detail.

We wrote additional stories in April and August, including one that reported the grand jury had heard testimony from multiple victims.

Any of the national news media who were shocked by Sandusky’s indictment last week evidently don’t read our newspaper or look at our website. They should have.

But could we have reported the story sooner than March?

Until 1998, none of the young victims came forward to tell their story — not to the police or to anyone. It is a terrible cruelty that the trauma of sex abuse often drives victims into silence when sharing their story could help them and others.

In 1998, a boy who was 12 at the time told police that Sandusky had showered with him in the Penn State football locker room during a tour. The boy claimed Sandusky assaulted him during the shower.

During our own investigation, years later, the mother told us that she had been specifically instructed by state police not to speak with reporters.

No charges were filed against Sandusky in 1998. With the mother cowed into silence, the incident remained buried.

No further victims or witnesses spoke up until the 2002 incident that involved Mike McQueary, Paterno and other top university officials.

It appears from the grand jury presentment that the school’s aim was to handle this report very quietly. They succeeded. No one who had been directly involved talked about it at the time. No one.

Sandusky flaunted the so-called “ban” on his bringing kids to campus — in fact, he held Second Mile camps on other Penn State campuses as recently as 2008. We never noticed any sanctions against the former coach because they didn’t really exist.

In the years that followed, still more victims maintained their silence.

That changed in 2009, when a Clinton County boy and a wrestling coach who had witnessed an incident came forward with new allegations. This time, word leaked out in the form of rumors that caught the attention of two reporters: Jan Murphy of The Patriot-News and Sara Ganim, then a reporter with the Centre Daily Times in State College.

Now here’s what a news organization like ours thinks about rumors:

In one sense, they’re worthless. We don’t report a rumor that someone has broken the law.

Would you like it if your neighbor called to tell us that you had been involved in sex abuse and we printed it? We demand at least two or even three independent and highly credible sources to print any anonymous allegation of criminal behavior.

Murphy tracked down sources who confirmed that the rumors were serious but found no one with firsthand, verifiable knowledge of the case.

Sara Ganim had more luck. After a great deal of work, Ganim eventually located and spoke with the victim’s mother. But we needed much more if we were to accuse a Penn State coaching legend of an abhorrent crime.

After Ganim came to The Patriot-News, she continued her reporting in Centre, Mifflin, Clinton and Dauphin counties. She interviewed more than 26 people, often three or four times.

We confirmed their statements in other ways, as well. Sara tracked down a second victim, witnesses and other sources who could talk not only about the Clinton County victim but about what had happened back in 1998.

With enough evidence that we were confident of its accuracy, we published the story on March 31.

The national media ignored it. Locally, we mainly received anger from some readers.

“It truly is troubling to me to see a ‘reputable’ newspaper such as The Patriot-News carrying this type of sensationalist story,” wrote one.

“Shame on those who have tried to defile the legacy that Jerry Sandusky has worked so hard to build,” wrote another.

We stood by the story and more stories followed. We have been told by those with knowledge of the grand jury investigation that our stories prompted additional victims to come forward.

Many of my colleagues here at The Patriot-News are Penn State alumni. Many more of us are Lions fans or have simply admired Joe Paterno. This has been an unbelievably sad week for us along with hundreds of thousands of Penn Staters and millions of Americans who feel the same way.

If we had any inkling of this alleged conduct before 2009 — from any victims, witnesses or those who knew them — we would have investigated it with all the vigor we possess. And we would have been no less careful to deal not in rumors or speculation, but in facts.

press needs tips.

Were there any and if so, COULD it be published in that state/town/region?

Editors/Publishers practice CYA too.

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/kutcher-tweet.jpg

If its not,who gives a single iota of a shit about what Kutcher says?
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Ashton Kutcher goes to show how far a complete lack of ability and talent can take you.
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What,do they just kick puppies and old ladies to death on the show now?
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i just assume is got worse with him on it. how could it not?

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is he had no idea about the Sandusky scandal. he thought it was a football thing.

for having backpage as an ad partner because his big cause is human trafficking.

>is he had no idea about the Sandusky scandal. he thought it
>was a football thing.

or rather, so caught up in his own world that he never heard about it. suppose that's typical for a lot of celebrities.

the news of his firing then you had to have heard him being mentioned as the lead story in the entire 48 hours prior unless you just landed from a cross-country flight (even then you're traveling in first-class with wi-fi).

to really follow this, so I believe him.

punch him in his face.

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

For people like this,the ethnicity doesn't matter,just the sex and the power they have over them.The only thing that comes up is whether the kids come from a really poor or really rich family.That's where he gets his power trip from.
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i need to know this now


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because their coverage is the best and most comprehensive. although, the site is still a clusterfuck to navigate.

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html

This shit may have been swept under the rug for Sandusky's resignation in the late 90s. If true, Paterno could face legal action, among civil and the University could really go down if they won't already.

Madden: Sandusky a State secret

Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno during better days.
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Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.

Madden: Sandusky a State secret Mark Madden Timesonline.com | 14 comments

The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.

Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?

Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.

In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.

If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?

This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.

Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.

Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.

But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?

Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?

A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.

Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?

You might not want to hear the answer.

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DJ Flash - Best of Phonte
Blu - NoYork!
Wilco - The Whole Love
Kendrick Lamar - Section 80
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Blu - NoYork!
Wilco - The Whole Love
Kendrick Lamar - Section 80
DJ Breakem Off & Big K.R.I.T.-Last King 2
Trombone Shorty - For True

and probably sue for wrongful termination.

is there any chance in the world that PSU/Joe Pa didn't duct tape his mouth shut for the past decade and offer him permanent employment?

id love for him to be on the sidelines when PSU travels to OSU and wisky

He deserved to be fired. I would also be a fine with the use of excessive force on these dumbass kids rioting for Paterno. Shit is real sad.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-haugh-col-20111110,0,837895.column

9:19 AM CST, November 10, 2011

Shed no tears for Joe Paterno. Save your pity for the innocent boys who will grow up into tortured men, not JoePa.

Spare me the indignation over the Penn State Board of Trustees firing Paterno on Thursday night over the phone.

Had Paterno picked one up 13 years ago and called the most powerful law-enforcement official he knew in the state, not just the top campus cop, he might have saved innocent boys from an alleged pedophile -- and quite likely his job, his school and his legacy.

Penn State removed Paterno from that job because, finally, somebody in Creepy Valley did the right thing. Somebody followed a conscience instead of a university handbook. That it came 13 years too late will haunt State College, Pa., forever. It will indelibly stain Paterno's Hall of Fame tenure, as if that matters.

It never will be enough for the alleged victims of Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State assistant coach charged with 40 counts of child sexual abuse.

There are no winners here, all goats and no heroes, but Paterno's ouster was a development worth applauding more than protesting. This was a decision that should have provoked more acceptance than defiance.

So what were the Penn State students possibly thinking as they rioted all over campus and tipped over cars and a satellite truck? When will they realize, after the buzz wears off and sobering reality sinks in, that they were defending the right to cover up pedophilia? As much as they love JoePa, that's the harsh reality.

Woody Hayes threw a punch. Bob Knight threw a chair. But in 10 years or so we will remember Paterno as much as anything for the alleged molestation he enabled that made us want to throw up. He always can be referred to as a great football coach. But I still cringed hearing loyal ex-players refer to Paterno as a great man.

Yes, the good Paterno did at Penn State outweighed the bad over six decades. To some it's complicated. To others it's simple. Right now, I still see a guy who was one of Pennsylvania's most powerful people who looked away and failed to protect children. Right now, the details of the 23-page grand jury report used to indict Sandusky last Saturday remain too fresh to think Paterno earned the right to leave on his own terms.

He didn't.

There was no way Penn State officials could have allowed Paterno to represent the university one week later on the sidelines against Nebraska, not with so much convincing circumstantial evidence of his inaction. Not with it becoming increasingly clear to those not blinded by Paterno's 62-year, 409-win career, that the most connected man on campus had to know -- or should have known -- that his close friend and top assistant coach had a dark, dangerous side. It's naïve and inconceivable to think otherwise.

Ultimately that reality compelled the Penn State board, as conveyed by commanding chairman John Surma, to do the only thing it could. The football school started the purging process that will continue for months, years. First, the trustees ousted out-to-lunch University President Graham Spanier. Next, they replaced Paterno with interim head coach Tom Bradley.

But it really doesn't matter who gives Penn State's pre-game pep talks or picks its quarterback. Nor does it matter how closely connected Bradley was or wasn't to Paterno or Sandusky. It's not about him. There are no statues of Bradley on the PSU campus and his front yard wasn't full of drunk and adoring college kids past midnight. Bradley is relevant only because he can get 100 PSU student-athletes, who never covered up a thing, through a college football game.

Truth is, the board could have appointed anybody to coach Penn State the rest of the season as long as it wasn't Paterno or Mike McQueary, the assistant who witnessed Sandusky allegedly sexually assault a 10-year-old boy in the shower in 2002. By the way, how does McQueary still have a job?

He won't for long. In all likelihood neither will any of Paterno's other assistants as soon as the 2011 season ends. But the board's goal Thursday was to find somebody to coach the Nittany Lions now, not later. Sure, Penn State could have fired everybody and suspended the football season to begin the healing. But somehow that seems unfair to players who had nothing to do with Sandusky's alleged sick behavior or the way Paterno and Penn State ignored it. Their experiences still matter.

Canceling the remaining games won't ease the pain of the youths Sandusky allegedly assaulted. It won't straighten out anybody's moral compass. Only time can do that. So play ball.

The list of victims and innocent people affected negatively by this tragedy for reasons out of their control already is long enough.

You won't find Paterno's name on it.

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This was a school I wanted my 2 boys to attend. Not anymore.

I'll probably root for the team till the end of the season for the
sake of the players, but after that I'm out.

I'm so fucking sick to my stomach I can't describe how I feel.
I tried giving Paterno the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't
anymore.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05232/557150.stm#ixzz1dJshK0P4

Connor suspended for prank calling
LB 1 of 3 PSU players facing punishment
Saturday, August 20, 2005
By Chico Harlan, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Associated Press
Penn State linebacker Dan Connor, right, will face discipline for making a series of prank calls.
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Three Penn State football players -- including starting linebacker Dan Connor -- face discipline after making a series of prank calls that "escalated to the point of harassment," athletic department spokesman Jeff Nelson said in a statement released yesterday.
Connor, a sophomore, has been suspended indefinitely. He still remains on the team, but the length of his punishment is unknown. " will decide what level of participation he will have," Nelson, speaking by phone, said.

Consequences for the other two players, junior safety Nolan McCready and junior wide receiver Jim Kanuch, have yet to be determined. Other Penn State players may have participated in the prank calling, Nelson confirmed yesterday. After more facts are gathered, Paterno will determine the punishment for the remainder of those involved.

The victim of the prank calls, according to several sources, is a retired member of the Penn State football family. Nelson refused to comment on the identity of the victim.

The prank calls, which began in the late spring and continued through the summer, were investigated by the State College Police Department, leading to "summary offenses" for Connor, Kanuch and McCready. Those issued summary offenses -- akin to disorderly conduct charges -- are required to pay fines. A spokesperson for the State College police was unavailable last night to comment.

Last season, as a true freshman, Connor played in every game -- starting in four of them -- and finished second on the team with 85 tackles. Kanuch was switched from safety to wideout at the start of spring practice after playing sparingly last season. McCready, a fourth-year junior, is a reserve defensive back.

uh...

christ

or even that it's necessarily related...

but it looks awfully suspicious.

grad assistant, janitors, and others have said to have witnessed his shit, I'm sure over the years there have been players that have seen some things too.

>grad assistant, janitors, and others have said to have
>witnessed his shit, I'm sure over the years there have been
>players that have seen some things too.

and i could certainly see some players getting wind of it and not quite fully grasping the magnitude of the whole thing or whether or not it's even accurate and fucking with the 'weirdo ex coach'.

with that said, given the cover-up that's taken place...you'd think they would've deaded this incident too and wouldn't have bothered making it public knowledge.

ago. It was former assistant coach Joe Sarra (left in '04 I believe). He was a LB coach at the time and would have worked directly with Connor. There were only 2 'recently retired' coaches that would have directly worked with Connor so it was kind of obvious to a lot of PSU fans as to who the coach was. Sandusky had retired quite awhile before Connor came to PSU. I don't even think they had much of a relationsihp at all. Poz did, but I doubt too many PSU players post '99 had much of a relationship w/ Sandusky.

all i know of that story is that article.
i didn't know anything about it at the time.

rumor. I'm not posting the links but I'm sure a simple google search of Dan Connor would provide you with an appropriate source of information on this topic.

Although the coach's name remains annonymous in the public, it was common knowledge amongst a lot of PSU fans that the coach in question was Joe Sarra. I think Poz was the only player on that team who knew Sandusky on a more personal level. Connor barely even knew the guy...

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/dan-connor-sandusky-prank-call/

Burn Joe Pa......

Burn the school

Penn State can no longer exist

impossible

My stance has changed since there is new information stating that Joe Pa
played a deeper role than what was previously reported.

I'm sick

I am sick too my god damn stomach

Hey, man, I was just going off of the information that was being reported, the evidence, which is the only thing that can be observed.

If there is more information, and that information can be proved, then my views will change.

I stated that up above several times.

Because the points I would have made yesterday are these:

1) a grand jury is a preliminary hearing. All it does is determine whether a case is of sufficient merit to deserve a trial. But you know that. But plenty more information can come to light post-grand jury, as has already happened, and will continue to happen.

2) Now, I am certainly not a lawyer, but I should think that those lawyers preparing to prosecute this case would be taking a hard look at the laws surrounding the principles of duty to rescue and negligent entrustment--basically, that if Paterno knew, as he surely did, that Sandusky was a threat to children, and then witnessed Sandusky with children, as he surely did, then I think you could make the case that Paterno failed to render aid to a person in immediate peril.

Likewise, with entrustment, could you not make the case that by providing Sandusky with a forum and facilities to conduct his..ugh...camps, which Paterno MUST have signed off on, Paterno is liable for essentially placing these children in the care of a child molester. If you give a loaded gun to a murderous psychopath, you can be held liable if he goes off and shoots people with it. And if you give a child molester a child....

Again, I'm no lawyer, so I'm sure I'm misunderstanding things, but the principles aren't hard to understand.

Surely some OKS lurker can drop some knowledge...

these cats not attempting to find truth and just focusing on getting a conviction, though?

I'm thinking this will get myopic the closer it gets to trial.

I am a different civilian. A man is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and I will always uphold that dogma.

Yes, new information and data can surface before and during a case, but until that information and data surface,and that information and data can be proven, verdicts, decisions and judgments can only be constituted based upon precise and proven material( testimonies and unadulterated evidence ).

That is the law, and that will always be the law

Newspapers, tv reports, and hearsay are not factual structures or depositions to be utilized as evidence or material, which is why, for the most part, they are inadmissible in court.

>Because the points I would have made yesterday are these:
>
>1) a grand jury is a preliminary hearing. All it does is
>determine whether a case is of sufficient merit to deserve a
>trial. But you know that. But plenty more information can
>come to light post-grand jury, as has already happened, and
>will continue to happen.
>
>2) Now, I am certainly not a lawyer, but I should think that
>those lawyers preparing to prosecute this case would be taking
>a hard look at the laws surrounding the principles of duty to
>rescue and negligent entrustment--basically, that if Paterno
>knew, as he surely did, that Sandusky was a threat to
>children, and then witnessed Sandusky with children, as he
>surely did, then I think you could make the case that Paterno
>failed to render aid to a person in immediate peril.
>
>Likewise, with entrustment, could you not make the case that
>by providing Sandusky with a forum and facilities to conduct
>his..ugh...camps, which Paterno MUST have signed off on,
>Paterno is liable for essentially placing these children in
>the care of a child molester. If you give a loaded gun to a
>murderous psychopath, you can be held liable if he goes off
>and shoots people with it. And if you give a child molester a
>child....
>
>Again, I'm no lawyer, so I'm sure I'm misunderstanding things,
>but the principles aren't hard to understand.

Now you see why people were going so hard on Joe Pa, IMO everything pointed to this being bigger and Joe knowing more.

I thought it would, and I'm glad you're seeing the light

It takes awhile to set in, but once you start to wrap your mind around it, it's more than obvious

It takes some talking through, but I think everyone is starting to arrive at the same conclusion

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As a person of mankind, and a person who understands the law, I can only go off of evidence and factual information.

Hearsay is not a form of evidence.


However, if there is information in standing that proves, without any suspicions or doubts, that Joe Pa exercised a deeper role in this scandal, and that Human Trafficking was not only implemented, but allowed and covered up, then my position will change ....

and basically it has already

>Burn Joe Pa......
>
>Burn the school
>
>Penn State can no longer exist
>
>impossible
>
>My stance has changed since there is new information stating
>that Joe Pa
>played a deeper role than what was previously reported.
>
>I'm sick
>
>I am sick too my god damn stomach

But.. But... But... JoePa is a legend and we don't know all the facts. He hasn't had a chance to defend himself.

*Pisses on a Penn State hoodie*

I betta neva eva hear a Penn State student/alum ever get on some holier than thou shit. EVER.

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-medal-freedom-paterno-20111110,0,3698857.story

Senators pull support for Medal of Freedom for Joe Paterno

November 10, 2011, 12:12 p.m.

The shock waves from the explosive scandal at Penn State are reaching Washington.

Pennsylvania Sens. Pat Toomey and Bob Casey will rescind their Medal of Freedom nomination for former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno in the wake of the child abuse scandal involving his former assistant coach, the senators said Thursday.

Paterno was fired Wednesday evening by the school's board of trustees, ending his 46-year-tenure as head coach.

The award is considered the highest honor a civilian can receive. Toomey, Casey and Pennsylvania Rep. Glenn Thompson, who represents State College, nominated Paterno in early September.

"Coach Paterno over the years has shown tremendous character and loyalty," the lawmakers wrote to President Obama. "Throughout his time at Penn State, he has remained committed to reaching goals without sacrificing the ideals that are central to higher education."

The senators released a joint statement:

“In light of the recent events in State College, we are rescinding our support for the nomination of Joe Paterno for the Presidential Medal of Freedom. We hope the proper authorities will move forward with their investigation without delay. Penn State is an important institution in our commonwealth. We should turn our attention to the victims of these atrocious crimes and ensure they get the help they need. Our hearts and prayers go out to them and their families.”

Meanwhile, White House spokesman Jay Carney was asked about the scandal during the daily White House briefing Thursday.

"You know, we're not going to get into the decisions made by the university. What I can say is that if the allegations about what happened up there prove true, that they -- what happened is outrageous, and our -- the president's thoughts and prayers and all of our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of the abuse and the family members of those victims," Carney said.

James Oliphant of the Washington bureau contributed to this report.

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Sandusky, which is why he was never really offered a lot of coaching positions, and it is the same reason why Virginia didn't give him the coaching position.


Most coaches knew about this dude....

GOT DAMN!

After 1998, the word was out on Sandusky


Come the fuck on!!!!!!!!!

Why is all this information coming out now?

>Sandusky, which is why he was never really offered a lot of
>coaching positions, and it is the same reason why Virginia
>didn't give him the coaching position.
>
>
>Most coaches knew about this dude....
>
>GOT DAMN!
>
>After 1998, the word was out on Sandusky
>
>
>Come the fuck on!!!!!!!!!
>
>Why is all this information coming out now?
>
>


Rotation:
Phonte - Charity Starts at Home
DJ Flash - Best of Phonte
Blu - NoYork!
Wilco - The Whole Love
Kendrick Lamar - Section 80
DJ Breakem Off & Big K.R.I.T.-Last King 2
Trombone Shorty - For True

McQuery and Penn St.

edit: he made a great point that the Penn St. BOT MUST know more because at first they were fine with him staying til the end of the year...then there was a UNANIMOUS vote by the BOT that he be fired immediately, and some of those BOT members have known and been friends with Paterno for 40, 50 even 60 years.

>edit: he made a great point that the Penn St. BOT MUST know
>more because at first they were fine with him staying til the
>end of the year...then there was a UNANIMOUS vote by the BOT
>that he be fired immediately, and some of those BOT members
>have known and been friends with Paterno for 40, 50 even 60
>years.

if public sentiment wasn't as strong as it was they probably would've sat on their collective asses like they had been since the story dropped.

i think they also needed some time to work up the nerve to fire paterno who has probably been bullying them for the past however many years.

paterno's press release that morning was his last attempt at strong arming the BOT and they finally said enough is enough.

that not ONE person stood up for him...people he's known forever.

while its only speculation at this point that there's even more dirt to come (which there HAS to be), the fact that NO ONE stood up for him does have weight.

>that not ONE person stood up for him...people he's known
>forever.

i think it's kind of standard issue to claim that it was a unanimous decision. saying otherwise opens up a whole barrage of questions. considering the dude at the presser answered a grand total of 0 questions...im guessing he did't want any more shit thrown his way.

but i think the rumor that the BOT had wanted joe out since 2004 seems pretty accurate. if nothing else than from a football success standpoint. obviously this was there chance.

and i'm sure some people wished he would have gone sooner, so there's probably some truth to that.

we'll have to wait and see. i thought May had a point though, and being that he was recruited by Penn St and probably knows people there, he may have some inside info.

If they had ANY integrity they would have fire Paterno immediately. Their initial statement said they would be setting up a committee today(Friday) to further investigate the grand jury report. However, the ended up firing Paterno w/o any findings from that committee since it never convened.

The fired Paterno once the fire got to hot instead of firing him based on what was already known. I got the lil people's eyebrow on the BOTs too.


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After this nothing will be the same nor should it be.

I expect all of college sport to be overhauled.

Make no mistake, this is about two things:

1.) The evil of men
2.) The mechanism with which they created a method to promote, sustain, distribute and protect evil.

The later of the two is impossible without the power of college sport.

"Slow train coming." © Brother Muzone.

>After this nothing will be the same nor should it be.
>
> I expect all of college sport to be overhauled.
>
> Make no mistake, this is about two things:
>
>1.) The evil of men
>2.) The mechanism with which they created a method to promote,
>sustain, distribute and protect evil.
>
>The later of the two is impossible without the power of
>college sport.

NOW does 3 years shutting down the program sound so harsh?

Where there's smoke, there's fire motherfuckers. And the indictment alone was scotland yard.

I mean there has to be a thorough purging of administrators at this point as far as I'm concerned.

even have any MONEY to continue to operate?

that's an angle to consider at this point.

this cover up, and therefore complicity, went ALL THE WAY UP to the president of the university. certainly its head of police, athletic dept, etc. so we're not just talking one rogue department. the whole penn state apparatus is liable.

and, if so, and this monster is proven to have used penn state, with their knowledge, to both assault victims, as well as trawl for victims... if i'm in any way related to a victim here i'm recommending they sue that fucking school into oblivion.

ncaa death penalty should be the least of their worries. unless there is some kind of legal cap on damages, there'd basically be nothing left of PSU but a financial crater.

and that would be fitting.

peace & blessings,

x.

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any other institute on the planet, even fucking Texas.


Penn State was the fucking governing body of the town, not only the school.

I mean there was a newspaper that had a story on this guy, and they could have buried him, but the school dismissed the paper and the reporter?

They had that much power over the paper?

This fraternity shit goes nation wide and is probably illuminati connected.I would not be surprised.

This university, in my eyes, was basically running a whole motherfucking state.

You mean to tell my that no reporters in philly had a scope on this guy???

all over a defensive coordinator?

Shit I would have just killed that motherfucker, and that shit could have went down the drain with him

He was that big, or was the million dollar foundation he was running that big, and bigger than psu????????

being alleged.... I don't have a problem with firing Paterno..

I actually never said that I did have a problem with firing the Coach. What is being alleged is beyond ...far beyond and I think Penn State Football will actually need to shut itself down for a couple of years at least to purge and rebuild..


But...

By firing Paterno in the manner they did, they are throwing him under the bus to a degree that I view unfair....

there are procedures and protocals....the grad assistant informed coach Paterno ....Patenro informed the AD.....

He should not be the only person in that chain that should be condemned for not getting the police involved. If the protocal was followed regarding the escalation of the complaint...a cover up could not have started with Paterno...as he informed his supervisor.

Paterno didn't molest any kids....Sandusky is obviously a sick man who has allegedly done something horrible..

but Penn State's board should have had Paterno come to an office and behind closed doors tell him he needs to resign, or he's fired. Coach Paterno deserved that.....

by not doing that the Board is scapegoating him and using this as an excuse to get rid of him..which is something they have wanted to do for years. He would have resigned if given that option.

if their was a cover up that was intended to allow the school/football program to benefit from said cover up....not only could that not have started with Coach Paterno, such a cover up would have had to involve people well above Paterno in the chain of command.

My condemnation of how the board handled Paterno's firing, should not be confused for giving him a pass....as someone with a couple thousand children under my responsibility everyday, I am probably more aware than most of both the moral and ethical responsibilities involved....

I just don't believe his role in this should divert attention from Sandusky or AD positions and up who would have been involved in a cover up..if that's what occurred.

if i walk into the bathroom at work right now and some dude is doing weird shit on a kid - i'm stopping it and then i'm calling the police not my boss.

>He should not be the only person in that chain that should be
>condemned for not getting the police involved.

the bleeping president of Penn State was just canned last night. the AD and VP are awaiting trail and will probably go to jail. they are all being condemned.

>but Penn State's board should have had Paterno come to an
>office and behind closed doors tell him he needs to resign, or
>he's fired. He would have resigned if given that option.

that I highly doubt. Paterno wanted to exit his own way, which was by finishing out this season. he stated his claim then hid in his living room. immediate resignation was seemingly never on his mind.

>I just don't believe his role in this should divert attention
>from Sandusky or AD positions and up who would have been
>involved in a cover up..if that's what occurred.

then maybe the students should have rioted on Sandusky's lawn or flipped over Spanier's car. *that* should be their focus, not whether Paterno's senile ass gets to "coach" the final four games of his career.

Hey, man, if pa was a part of the cover up, and 2nd mile foundation was a
blanket operation to prostitute male boys to millionaire donors, FUCK . AND THAT!


If that is proven, that senile shit is dead, dead, dead....In 1998, pa wasn't senile

i'm not sure THAT MANY people are aware that in 2004 the president and AD went to his house to ask him to resign for the good of the program (progessed age, inability to be completely involved, etc.) and he THREW THEM OUT OF HIS HOUSE.

he wasn't going to resign. he tried to even circumvent any move to remove him from jump by undermining the administration and going to the press saying "i'll be here through the season."

smh.

who cares how he was fired. he needed to go.

on campus with little boys and let him use Penn St. to promote his program, which he used as a vehicle for rape - on campus.

Fuck all that chain of command shit. When your command ain't doing shit with info of this nature and you are the most powerful man on campus, you take it to the highest levels of the police.

Same for McQueary. Fuck being in shock and this being Penn St and your alma mater. You walked out on a kid getting ass raped by a 60 year old man in a shower in team facilities. McQueary should be fired now. The AD and VP for Biz and Finance are facing trial and are gone. The prez is gone. I heard that a local DA in Philly said that JoePA and McQuery may still face charges from the state prosecutor as the local prosecutor took the law very narrowly and didn't charged JoePA or McQueary because he probably didn't have the balls to charge a legend. But, according to this DA, coaches are mandatory reporters and must report potential crimes.

And, knowledge of this kind of shit back to 1998 and then shortly thereafter Sandusky retires, in his coaching prime and no other team wants him to coach when he's a top assistant at one time in demand?

Smells like a cover up. Either way JoePa washed his hands of what he knew and didn't check up or even ask Sandusky himself. JoePa's son said he never spoke to Sandusky. We'll let him back on campus, no prob. Shameful.

The Board of Trustees must know more because at first they were willing to let JoePa stay the rest of the season, then they fired him. Some of the trustees are close close friends of Paterno's for many many years and they canned him.

JoePa himself said he wish he did more.

And, now the stories of pimping to wealthy donors. How does JoePa not know more during these lat 9 years just letting shit slide (McQueary too).


Rotation:
Phonte - Charity Starts at Home
DJ Flash - Best of Phonte
Blu - NoYork!
Wilco - The Whole Love
Kendrick Lamar - Section 80
DJ Breakem Off & Big K.R.I.T.-Last King 2
Trombone Shorty - For True

By continuing to allow sandusky to have access to psu football facilities after 2002, which he used to lure and rape kids, joe was putting gas in the van, and giving him costco sized bags of candy. For that, he needed to lose his job.

>By continuing to allow sandusky to have access to psu
>football facilities after 2002, which he used to lure and rape
>kids, joe was putting gas in the van, and giving him costco
>sized bags of candy. For that, he needed to lose his job.

Someone had to grant permission for that to happen, and he was banned from having kids on campus.

because Sandusky held that 2009 camp on the Erie campus (3.5 hours away from State College). while he's to blame for A LOT (see: Sandusky using the Penn State weight room last week), I wouldn't expect Paterno to know who stepped on every Penn State satellite campus.

the manner in which he was relieved from his duties or whether or not Joe gets to coach these next three games is so meaningless in the overall scheme of things that it's crazy.

By not grasping this you're placing yourself in the company of some of those dumb-ass kids flipping a newsvan last night.

Just stop.

You know better.

Joe couldn't make a call a decade ago, he got one last night.

That's one stinging bit of irony tossed into this seemingly limitless pit of shame & sickness over at State College.

Figured this post could use a little levity for a change:

http://deadspin.com/5858376/psu-students-will-be-able-to-indulge-in-their-heartbreak-at-tonights-drake-show

PSU Students Will Be Able To Indulge In Their Heartbreak At Tonight’s Drake Show

It is a proven equation by now that when distraught college students face difficult times, they turn to cheap liquor or light beer and music by Drake.

Sometimes, they also order Domino's cheesy bread. Always, though, there is music by Drake. There really is no better musical symbol of Millennial angst than the former child actor from Toronto who recently rapped that he's "having a hard time adjusting to fame."

Aren't we all, Penn State? And so it is fitting that Drake is playing State College tonight. After last night's sweatpants riots, it seemed possible that the concert would be canceled, but the Collegian reports today that the show will go on at PSU's Bryce Jordan Center. Drake himself tweeted that "despite all that is occuring on campus, he "cannot wait to be part of the GREATNESS that is Penn State tmrw." Interesting choice of words, but I guess he is trying to sell tickets.

A PSU sophomore told the Collegian that he's excited about the show because Drake "goes hard" (debatable, but this is coming from a group of people who used a defenseless news van to express their rage), and another said that he'd seen a female student crying "because she didn't think she was going to get a ticket."

"Some people get pretty emotional over Drake I guess," the male student said.

They also get pretty emotional over the defense of incompetent, morally complicit old relics like Joe Paterno. This show's going to have the atmosphere of a "We Are The World" singalong.

.

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

>A PSU sophomore told the Collegian that he's excited about the
>show because Drake "goes hard" (debatable, but this is coming
>from a group of people who used a defenseless news van to
>express their rage)

This is funny.

Department of Education and the PA DoJ is peanuts compared to the FBI

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/133648028.html


Police in San Antonio, Texas are investigating allegations that Jerry Sandusky molested a boy while on a 1998 team trip to the city, a spokesman said.

The probe - based on testimony laid out in last weekend's grand jury presentment - could lead to additional charges for the embattled former Pennsylvania State University assistant football coach.

"We are investigating the possibility that an offense may have happened while here in San Antonio," police department spokesman Officer Matthew Porter said.

According to the grand jury report, Sandusky brought the boy in question - identified as Victim 4 - along with his wife to the 1998 Outback Bowl and 1999 Alamo Bowl.

The child traveled to and from both bowl games with the football team and shared their accommodations, the report said. The teen reportedly told the grand jury that when he resisted Sandusky's advances while on that trip, the coach threatened to send him back to Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania prosecutors allege that Sandusky molested at least eight boys between the mid-1990's and 2009, all of whom he met through The Second Mile a charity he founded in 1997.

He has denied all charges.

I don't think this can star JoePa,he works better as a side player.I'd make McQuery the star,and show him on the brink of doing the right hing,but ultimately not.

Mike McQueary- Alan Tudyk
Jerry Sandusky- Steve Martin
Joe Pa- Hal Holbrook
Mother Number 1- Jennifer Aniston(doesn't matter if the kids were black or white,they're casting Aniston)
Paul Posluzny- Garret Hedlund
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thought after the initial disgust is, " this would be one helluva book or movie if it turns out to be so big that they COULDNT turn sandusky in and that HE or some outside force related to the business and rapes had the DA killed."

you could not write it w/o it first being true because nobody would believe it.


as sick as it is, its a heckuva story. everything is in it.

Or at least an older abuse victim

BOKEEM WOODBINE MAY WORK AGAIN!!!
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>you could not write it w/o it first being true because nobody
>would believe it.

you couldn't make this into a hollywood flick because people would walk out saying that it was too far fetched.

I read Apt Pupil a few weeks ago. For some reason that shit keeps popping in my head whenever I think about this. The cover up, the inhumane behavior...that's all I can really compare it to.

Personally...Paterno and a ton of people involved in this should be locked up. He is lucky he is ONLY getting fired. This guy set up an environment for this to happen. He had a buddy who preyed on little kids and was even seen fucking them in the ass. The assistants knew. Paterno knew. The AD knew, the Janitors knew...some of the players say they knew he was touchy feely and known for it. Paterno must know. He kept shut to protect his program. Football was more important to him than protecting innocent kids.

And some people are sad that this fucker got fired by phone? When he was holed up like some rebel leader with his own army around his house?

This should have never been a Paterno story. It should have read.....Kids sexually abused and preyed on at Penn STate...it is sick. The fact that it is being told to extract some sorrow for Paterno is actually pathetic.

That retirement package.

The timing of his "retirement."

The fact that he still had carte blanche, access.

The DA missing.

All of these things mean nothing unless Glenn Beck draws a diagram connecting them. But within the context of Sandusky or some other entity holding something over the University, there could be a lot more to this story, a reason to respect Joe Paterno again (and maybe even his refusal to ever retire), etc.

If there is any truth to the entire pimping ring and wealthy donors (school donors or Second Mile donors? This isn't clear.) using Second Mile for the systematic rape of young people and Penn State Football as a proxy?

Sheiiiiit.

Then maybe people weren't just turning a blind eye. MAYBE they didn't want to get disappeared like Girac or whatever his name is.

Maybe they kept their mouth shut because they didn't want to die?

But that's a whole lot of maybes.

I almost want to believe that shit, as sick as it is. Because I can't believe that Joe Paterno would allow this to happen.

I still don't want to believe that shit.

Can you imagine? We don't even know how many boys were involved. Chances are they're NOT going to come forward. These are young men now--young men from hardscrabble lives in CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA.

My mind is blown. And to be honest IF this ring of rape is as large as is implied by that cat on the radio? The only way to know is if we find out from the victims.

Because Sandusky will likely die. Either by his own hands, some prisoner or, if all this conspiracy shit is true, by some larger entity we don't know about yet.

>Can you imagine? We don't even know how many boys were
>involved. Chances are they're NOT going to come forward.
>These are young men now--young men from hardscrabble lives in
>CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA.

He started his "charity" back in 1977, if he was at it back then some if victims could be in their 40's now

>That retirement package.
>
>The timing of his "retirement."

when they asked the BOT last night about mcqueary, dude looked confused and refused to answer. I figured it was merely an oversight and they didn't have time to discuss/fire mcqueary because they were so fixated on paterno. figured the mcqueary firing would come today. merely a formality, right?

instead the BOT announces he'll remain a coach but they're gonna put him in the booth out of concerns for his safety.

for what possible reason would he still be employed? it's not for football reasons, cause if anything he's a distraction.

public opinion of mcqueary's is that he's a ginormous pussy and the biggest piece of shit on earth save for sandusky. think he doesn't want to clear his name? i feel like he could blow the whistle on EVERYONE and still come out ahead due to wrongful termination. of course, he has to get fired first.

i think dude knows a thing or two. his father said that mcquery was 'anxious to tell his side of the story.'

>i think dude knows a thing or two. his father said that
>mcquery was 'anxious to tell his side of the story.'

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Going by the book, he reported wrongdoing to his supervisors. If they fire him for what he did, it would be seen as retribution for his whistle blowing, which is illegal.

>Going by the book, he reported wrongdoing to his supervisors.
>If they fire him for what he did, it would be seen as
>retribution for his whistle blowing, which is illegal.

also, mcqueary is their national recruiting coordinator. lord knows they won't be sending that guy into the homes of high school kids anytime soon.

maybe he has a longish contract and a messy buyout?

or they don't want him to be free of his contract and able to say whatever he wants?

McQueary would be like an intern finding out about a ponzi scheme, then going right to either the CEO (given JoePa's actual status in Penn State), or the divisional President (given Joe's decisions to pass this up the chain).

In that case, the CEO/Div. Pres. has oversight authority. He's a lot more culpable for the goings on in his organization than the intern is. Passing it up the chain wan't really wash with the FTC or SEC in terms of attempting to prevent further fraud by your firm. Especially not if you allow the rogue trader to keep using company offices.

>McQueary would be like an intern finding out about a ponzi
>scheme

just like joe is a paid employee with a boss

pay has nothing to do with it.

for what goes on in the football facilities. Which includes granting access to an old employee that's doing incredibly dirty shit.

> Which includes
>granting access to an old employee that's doing incredibly
>dirty shit.

that it WASN'T his access to give?

that's my point. neither of them were at the top of the food chain - both of them had people they answered to. we know the latter part is bullshit but it's their argument.

But seriously, if your company is doing shit THAT dirty, your head rolls if you're the top guy, which Joe is in fact, and certainly the guys he reported to, Spanier and Curley, who were the top guys in name.

b/c the same would apply to Paterno.

were good friends. not sure if the friendship held up after the shower incident though.


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>not sure if the friendship held up after
>the shower incident though.
>

I picture Tom Hanks ending up at the front of Joe Pa's house at the end of the movie.

This shit is disgusting.

Holy fucking shit...

Questions on Sandusky Are Wrapped in a 2005 Mystery
By KEN BELSON
Published: November 8, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

The answer is unknowable because of an unsolved mystery: What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney?

Gricar went missing in April 2005. The murky circumstances surrounding his disappearance — an abandoned car, a laptop recovered months later in a river without a hard drive, his body was never found — have spawned Web sites, television programs and conspiracy theories. More than six years later, the police still receive tips and reports of sightings. The police in central Pennsylvania continue to investigate even though Gricar’s daughter, Lara, successfully petitioned in July to have her father declared legally dead so the family could find some closure and begin dividing his estate.

Yet as the Sandusky investigation moves forward, questions will be asked anew about why Gricar did not pursue charges against him 13 years ago. A small but strident minority believes Gricar did not want to tackle a case that involved a hometown icon. Others who knew and worked with Gricar say he was a meticulous, independent and tough-minded prosecutor who was unbowed by Penn State, its football program and political pressure in general.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” said Anthony De Boef, who worked as an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

De Boef said Gricar did not share any information with him about the case in 1998, which involved Sandusky allegedly showering with an 11-year-old boy. Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy’s mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.

Still, the circumstances surrounding Gricar’s disappearance prompt many questions.

On April 15, 2005, Gricar, then 59, took the day off. At about 11:30 a.m., he called his girlfriend, Patricia Fornicola, to say he was taking a drive on Route 192. About 12 hours later, she reported him missing.

The next day, Gricar’s Mini Cooper was found in a parking lot in Lewisburg, about 50 miles from his home in Bellefonte. Gricar’s cellphone was in the car, but not his laptop, wallet or keys, which were never recovered. Months later, the laptop was found in the Susquehanna River without its hard drive, which was discovered later. It was too damaged to yield any information. On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

When Gricar disappeared helicopters, dive teams and patrol cars were deployed, and the F.B.I. was brought in. Reports of Gricar turning up in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Maryland and other states proved to be dead ends.

So what happened? Friends and colleagues say Gricar was not the type to walk away. His bank accounts were not touched after he disappeared, he had no other sources of income and he had no major debts, said Robert Buehner Jr., a friend and the district attorney in Montour County. Though divorced twice, he seemed happy with his girlfriend and close with his daughter. Gricar had already announced that he was retiring at the end of his term.

“He was absolutely looking forward to his future,” Buehner said.

If Gricar committed suicide, Buehner added, he would have wanted the body to be found. Foul play is the next possible conclusion. By the nature of their jobs prosecuting criminals, district attorneys end up having many enemies. But no credible suspects have emerged.

“I don’t think you’ll find too many district attorneys who disappear,” said Ken Mains, a detective who works on cold cases in Lycoming County. “D. B. Cooper, Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, until a body is found, there are going to be conspiracy theories.”
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Said he's received multiple threats

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20111110_Why_play_the_game_.html?cmpid=131298059

Why play the game?

Bob Ford, Inquirer Sports Columnist

PENN STATE

Joe Paterno will not be in Beaver Stadium on Saturday.

No one else should be there, either.

The Penn State board of trustees, like so many others in the scandal of silence that has engulfed the university, did the bare minimum on Wednesday by firing coach Joe Paterno and school president Graham Spanier. Choosing which cufflinks to wear to the meeting was a more difficult decision for them than that.

They stopped short of presenting tangible evidence they consider the horror that took place on campus to be more important than a football game.

There should be no cheering on Saturday. There should be silence in the enormous concrete and steel edifice built to deify a program that has now been revealed as a false god. Tell the people not to come. Tell them there is nothing here to glorify. Encourage them to spend the fall afternoon with their children.

That didn't happen, and the people involved can invent a thousand plausibly correct reasons for why Penn State should play Nebraska on Saturday. They can cite fairness to the players, to the fans, to the spirit of competition, to whatever shredded hope there is that life should continue just as if nothing has happened.

It's all garbage, and it proves that the people in charge up there still don't get it. They still don't understand that, even at Penn State, even now, the football program shouldn't be the main focus of everything. That's how they got into this mess. Football ran the university and now it is running it into the ground.

Board of trustees vice chairman John P. Surma, who announced the firings Wednesday night and gamely answered questions during a horrendously organized press conference, said the board would act quickly to respond further to a situation that "is not in the best interests of the university."

"The current situation we're in, which has its roots within a certain organization within the university, is not in the best interest," Surma said.

A certain organization? It was as if he was referring to an underground cult that had brought this shame upon the school, a chapter of the Klan or neo-Nazis or something. It is almost incomprehensible that this is the point that has been reached. The football program has been one of the greatest sources of pride on this campus - not to mention the source of approximately $50 million in annual revenue - and now the school's trustees will not even speak its name. A certain organization.

Surma, the chairman and chief executive officer of U.S. Steel, is a good man. He and his wife donated $5 million in 2010 to endow a dean's chair in the university's school of business. The other members of the board all seem to be solid, well-meaning men and women as well. What they have wrestled with this week has been difficult for them all, but the board is still in denial, still practicing damage control.

They missed the opportunity to prove this will be something more than business as usual. In silent honor to all the rape victims who suffered because the moral compass within the football program was broken, the stadium should be empty on Saturday.

Lock the gates and let Nebraska stay home. Forfeit the game. Write a check to the Cornhuskers to make up for whatever lost revenue they would be missing, either from the television broadcast or shared gate receipts. It would have been good practice. When the civil suits filed by victims that include Penn State as a defendant come to court, the school will be writing a lot of checks. Make sure you practice the zeros.

The board said it will form a commission to study what happened, to root out additional wrongdoing and to put measures in place that will attempt to prevent future "situations." Let's be very clear about this. The university should not be allowed to investigate the university. However well-meaning that investigation might be, the university cannot be trusted any longer. If the Governor has any sense, he will make that point and see to it that the investigating committee does not have any conflicting interest in the outcome.

What else? Ah, yes. The football game. The football game that is so important it must be played, even as people who were complicit in allowing the rape of children to continue are front and center as participants in the spectacle. Yes, that game.

If Penn State loses, as it should on football merit alone, it will be said that the distractions of the week were to blame. There might be some truth to that. But the sad fact is that the team, like its deposed coach, does not now seem to be as good as the record would indicate. In the toughest tests, the real tests of character, the football team appears destined to fail, too.

The board of trustees will have given the school its weekend worship service, though. There are all those reasons for the game to take place. In the end, however, echoing the most telling valedictory of the coach, with the benefit of hindsight, the school will wish it had done more.

Sorry to the players, but at least they know precisely who to blame:

the man who recruited them (joepa), and that man's boss (the pres).

nobody outside of happy valley wants to see a happy senior day for that program where they walk off that field celebrating.

hell, the PSU students might rush the field and tear down the goal posts.

This was one big ass cover up from the local government all the way down. I'm scared to know what will come in the days to come. If these were black kids...it's going to be bigger than OJ even though I think it's already surpassed OJ IMO.


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http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-11-10/barry-switzer-on-penn-state-scandal-everyone-on-that-staff-had-to-have-known


Former Oklahoma University and Dallas Cowboys coach Barry Switzer says members of the Penn State coaching staff had to be aware of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky’s alleged behavior.

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret. Everyone on that had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time,” Switzer said in an interview with The Oklahoman newspaper.

Switzer added that others outside the Penn State program had to have known as well.

“You think that a 13-year assistant ... hasn’t told someone else? His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew,” Switzer said.

Switzer said the tragedy of the situation was that no one stepped up to put a stop to Sandusky.

“There are more people culpable than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director. There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could’ve done something about this, too’ that didn’t come forward. That’s the tragedy of it,” he said.

Switzer said that the university's trustees did the right thing by firing by Paterno on Wednesday night, but added that "there are no winners here.”

A grand jury indicted Sandusky on 40 charges of sexual abuse involving minors.

Switzer was forced to resign from Oklahoma in 1989 after the NCAA placed the football program on probation. The problems that drove Switzer out at OU, however, were nothing like what is going on at Penn State.

The Hall of Fame coach also had sharp words for Penn State students and fans who reacted violently to Paterno's firing.

"These students the other night, I watched 'em occupy State College, and I thought, ‘They don't understand.' If they stopped and thought about ... how many people were involved and knew this and did nothing, they just haven't lived long enough. And what they've done is try to support somebody the university can't support," he said.

<--- Mmmmmmmmmuah...

i pray a night that I will see a full body pic of you one day.


*FOCUSED*

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We need healing.

it is a sad story all around

tru dat Barry. They all covered for this cat turning a blind eye to it.

with your fellow coaches than your own family.

It's not like Sandusky was exactly discreet with this shit, I'm sure a lot of other people knew and saw things.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=80359&mesg_id=80359&listing_type=search#80442

Penn State fans gotta be in complete shock that in a week they've gone from thinking they occupy the moral highground in big-time college football to now really not being able to make the case for Joe Paterno having a moral compass equivalent to Barry Switzer.

This is without a doubt the craziest, most disturbing sports-related story of my lifetime & there's still so many more layers of this nasty-ass onion left to peel.

out somewhere in this situation. This rabbit hole is going to China.


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That is one of my fav movies ....if you haven't seen you rent it.
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html

Excerpt:

Debra Long was allowed to visit her son only one-half day per month after he went to live with the Sanduskys.

About four months after he went to live with Jerry, Matt attempted suicide with a girl who was also staying at Sandusky’s house.

“The probation department has some serious concerns about the juvenile’s safety and his current progress in placement with the Sandusky family,” wrote Terry L. Trude, a school-based probation officer, days after the suicide attempt.

This is just beyond what could ever be imagined.
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of modern times. there was some real shit going down for a long time, sinister, planned, orchestrated evil. i bet there are some bodies that got caught too.

but this is still epic

http://i.imgur.com/HJvha.jpg

But this would be the clear second place case.

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Wow RICO charges could be on the table...

Penn State coach Joe Paterno still could face legal trouble

By Greg Auman, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, November 10, 2011
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/article1200845.ece

Joe Paterno's legendary coaching career at Penn State was cut short Wednesday by the revelations related to the arrest of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, charged with child sex abuse. And Paterno, 84, could be vulnerable to civil litigation and criminal charges.

"It would be a mistake for anybody to assume that Paterno is out of the woods from a civil standpoint and probably from a criminal standpoint as well," said Wil Florin, a Palm Harbor attorney who represented former USF football coach Jim Leavitt in his wrongful termination suit against the school last year.

"You have a local grand jury that's still in session and an attorney general who was very specific in terms of how she parses her language (saying Paterno and other Penn State administrators) are not targets at this time."

Florin compared Penn State's position to what the Roman Catholic Church faced in civil suits from the families of child victims of sexual abuse by priests and other church leaders. Florin said the legal vulnerability comes from RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) laws. They were intended for cases involving organized crime but have been interpreted to include any group that conspires to allow illegal activity to occur.

"Penn State has liability, and all those individuals — the vice president, the athletic director, the president, Paterno — they all could find themselves in a RICO lawsuit," Florin said.

"What happened with the Catholic Church is pretty clear. They knew what was going on, and in order to protect the institution, they kept it quiet. It may have been to protect individuals, but probably the bigger part of it was to protect the reputation of the institution. And that looks like that's what's going on here."

Other legal experts have addressed the possible criminal aspects of Paterno and other Penn State officials being aware a crime might have been committed and not notifying police. Michael McCann, a sports law professor at Vermont, wrote on SI.com that Paterno's testimony before a grand jury could leave him open to perjury charges.

"While Paterno has, thus far, escaped these criminal charges, his statements and behavior suggest that he remains vulnerable to them," McCann wrote. "That is particularly evident when considering troubling inconsistencies between Paterno's testimony to the grand jury that investigated Sandusky and the testimony of Penn State assistant Mike McQueary."

As a graduate assistant in 2002, McQueary told Paterno of seeing Sandusky in the showers with a 10-year-old boy.

Paterno is clear from obstruction charges due to statute of limitations laws in Pennsylvania. But those wouldn't exempt him from perjury charges because his grand jury testimony took place within the past year, McCann wrote. New victims and witnesses could surface, and McCann wrote Penn State officials facing charges could implicate others in exchange for favorable treatment at sentencing.

Florin said the threat of litigation plays a role in swift decisions to remove university officials from their jobs. The university's Board of Trustees, which ousted Paterno on Wednesday night, is now expected to know everything the public knows, and to have allowed Paterno to continue to work in his job implies a toleration of his actions, Florin said.

Paterno had announced he would retire at the end of the season. Before the trustees' announcement Wednesday night that he was done coaching, Florin believed Paterno wouldn't take the field Saturday.

"I can't imagine any lawyers that are advising Penn State telling them anything other than 'These guys have to go,' " he said.

"It would be a mistake for anybody to assume that Paterno is out of the woods from a civil standpoint and probably from a criminal standpoint as well."

Wil Florin, Palm Harbor attorney who represented ex-USF football coach Jim Leavitt in his lawsuit against the school
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57322825/report-paterno-sought-criminal-defense-lawyer/

November 10, 2011 8:46 PM

Report: Paterno sought criminal defense lawyer


(CBS/AP) Embattled former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has contacted a criminal defense attorney in the child sex abuse case that has rocked the university, NBC News has reported.
A source told NBC that Paterno's advisers Thursday reached out to J. Sedgwick Sollers, who had previously represented President George H.W. Bush. NBC said that the attorney has not met with the ex-coach and no retainer agreement has been formalized.

Paterno is not charged with any crimes in connection with the case, but was fired late Wednesday for his role, and said that he regretted not doing more after learning about allegations against ex-defensive coordinator Jerry Sandunsky.

Sollers offered no comment on Thursday and Paterno's spokesman said via email that "no lawyer has been retained." Paterno's son, Scott, also wrote on Twitter Thursday evening: "To be clear, no lawyer has been retained. Not sure where that report originated."

Paterno has not been criminally charged in the child sex abuse case surrounding his former coach, Jerry Sandusky, and is reportedly viewed as a cooperating witness in the matter. He was fired as Penn State's coach late Wednesday evening by the university's trustees.

Paterno, along with the school, could still face trouble legally. "All of the officials involved in the scandal, including Paterno, could be sued in a civil case by the alleged victims and their families," said CBS News legal analyst Andrew Cohen, "and if that happens, and the case doesn't settle quickly, we'll likely see a lot of finger-pointing between and among the defendants."

Along with his job as head football coach at Penn State, Paterno may also lose a shot at the prestigious Presidential Medal of Freedom.

anytime soon. at least not in an open Q&A type forum.

PSU really saved his old ass by not letting him attend that tuesday press conference. that couldve been epic.

>PSU really saved his old ass by not letting him attend that
>tuesday press conference. that couldve been epic.

yeah, i remember skip bayless also saying the phone firing was the appropriate thing to do for a few reasons:

- the highly-emotional mob scene on campus and trying to get paterno through that in person could've been chaos.
- some members of board of trustees probably couldn't take it upon themselves to *look face-to-face* and fire the man they'd revered and loved for years.
- saving paterno further humiliation.

FUCK any level of decorum or respect due to years served or whatever.

This dude is lucky they even told his old ass he was fired before they told the world.

This is so far beyond that & he was still trying to make power-plays for his job mere *hours before* they cut his ass.

This insanely selfish asshole was still concerning himself with making sure he got to keep coaching football after all this shit hit the fan which is unbelievable to me.

I don't give a fuck if he found he was fired with a Dan Connor crank call or a PSU student rock thru his window with a 'YOU'RE OUT' note tied to it.

FUCK Joe Paterno's job or his precious football program.

>I don't give a fuck if he found he was fired with a Dan Connor
>crank call

.

i think the rabbit hole of grim details is gonna get deeper.

i'm sure it's been touched in the two threads, but the fact that the DA disappeared years ago tells me this is some institutionalized, mafia-type level of a operation going on in state college. this is bigger than nino brown (c) nino brown

Me and Veritas had this discussion in one of the other posts.

http://graham.main.nc.us/~bhammel/INS/RICO.html#DEFINS

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 96--RACKETEER INFLUENCED AND CORRUPT ORGANIZATIONS

Sec. 1961. Definitions

(1) ``racketeering activity'' means

(A) any act or threat involving murder, kidnapping, gambling, arson, robbery, bribery, extortion, dealing in obscene matter, or dealing in a controlled substance or listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act), which is chargeable under State law and punishable by imprisonment for more than one year;

(B) any act which is indictable under any of the following provisions of title 18, United States Code:

Section 201 (relating to bribery)

section 224 (relating to sports bribery)

section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices)

sections 1461-1465 (relating to obscene matter)

section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice)

section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations)

section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement)

section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant)

section 1952 (relating to racketeering),

section 1956 (relating to the laundering of monetary instruments)

section 1957 (relating to engaging in monetary transactions in property derived from specified unlawful activity)

sections 2251, 2251A, 2252, and 2258 (relating to sexual exploitation of children)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-mcqueary

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary will miss Saturday’s game against Nebraska after the school said he received “multiple threats.”

McQueary testified in a grand jury investigation that eventually led to child sex-abuse charges being filed against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky. The ensuing scandal brought down longtime coach Joe Paterno, who was fired by the university on Wednesday amid growing criticism that he should have done more to stop the alleged abuse.

McQueary, who testified that he saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy in the shower, encountered similar scrutiny. The university’s athletic department released a one-line statement Thursday night saying it would be “in the best interest of all” if the receivers coach didn’t attend the season’s final home game at Beaver Stadium.

this guy is the definition of dead weight. being down 2 coaches for a football game is actually kind of a big deal.

and if they're keeping him out of beaver stadium...no way he's making the trip to columbus or madison.

it was brave as hell of Lavernues Coles to do it given his celebrity status, and so is this.

Who knows how many more children that sick fuck would have kept abusing/torturing if that one kid hadn't come forward to trigger this investigation.

God only knows how hard it is to live with that trauma for an entire lifetime...but to come forward and admit it?


bravery.





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considering how many counts the grand jury didn't indict on or how many they couldn't even bring to the gj based off hazy memories and/or lack of evidence.

Especially in regards to how they knew reaction might go.

it wasn't just standing up to one man, it was going against an entire institution that the community and many nationwide held beyond reproach

depending on how this is handled in the courts it could go on for years, too. some of those guys could wives and kids of their own by now. lot of sacrifice. hopefully they can gain some sense of peace and closure at the close of this, though that's probably an idealistic hope.

he had foster kids.

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I hope there were few as possible). I mean, the sick fuck apparently had a basement tricked out especially for kids. That was the guest quarters for his victims. And the way it appears to be (at least according to me), his wife seemed to be content being in the dark with regards to what he was doing with the kids.

I understand that child predators often tend to be masters of manipulation, but I just can't see how his wife or kids never stood up/spoke out about his actions. They seemed to be complicit in all this as well.

>he had foster kids.

i remember all the training we had to go through.

and i remember them handing out a list of things (dealing w/ physical discipline) that you couldn't do to the kids. it was front and back. some highlights:

- you can't bite the kids
- you can't run hot/burning water on them
- you can't force them to be in (stress positions)
- you can't deny them food...

shit was insane. but my wife and i realized that the reason all of those off the wall ass things were on there were because people in the foster care system had actually DONE them to kids. and WE were supposed to be a line of defense helping out vulnerable and abused and mistreated children, and i just had a sickness in my stomach at the thought that people who were being held up to the children as helpers would subject them to further abuse.

and this story brings this feeling back times 1000.

i pray that all of those children can find healing.


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This makes me want to vomit. Again.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45254478/ns/sports-college_football/

Penn State Scandal: Mother of Alleged Victim Says Son Was Afraid to Tell Sandusky 'No'

The mother of the boy who triggered the investigation into Jerry Sandusky's alleged child sex assaults says that during the years of abuse the boy suffered he felt he didn't have the power to say no to the former Penn State football coach.

Speaking exclusively with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News' "Good Morning America" the mother of the boy, who is referred to in court papers as Victim 1, describes how she learned of the abuse and how her son lived in fear of coming forward to implicate a football coaching legend.

"I had said, 'You know, maybe we should have come to this conclusion earlier -- you should have told me,'" the mother, whose name is being withheld, said she told her son. "He was like, 'Well, I didn't know what to do … you just can't tell Jerry no.'"

Sandusky, now 67, would often have the boy stay at his home after they met when he was 11 in 2005 through the Second Mile program, which the coach founded for at-risk youth. According to the grand jury investigation, Sandusky "indecently fondled Victim 1 on a number of occasions, performed oral sex on Victim 1 on a number of occasions and had Victim 1 perform oral sex on him on at least one occasion."

In the interview, the boy's mother discusses how she gradually became aware of the abuse her son was suffering at Sandusky's hands. Her boy would act out violently to intentionally become grounded and avoid seeing Sandusky, she says, and at one point he came to her saying he wanted to know how to look up information on sex offenders.
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" proceeded to ask him if there was something he needed to tell me, if there was something going on … it wasn't 'til a month later when he indicated he was uncomfortable with leaving the school with him, and pulling him out of classes at school," she said.

According to the grand jury presentment that led to Sandusky's arrest last week on 40 counts of molesting eight boys over a 15-year period, the coach had unfettered access to the Clinton County high school attended by Victim 1. Sandusky, who volunteered at the school's varsity football program, would often have unmonitored meetings with the boy. On one occasion a school wrestling coach witnessed inappropriate touching between the two in a secluded weight room, according to the grand jury presentment.

Though she was unable to get any direct answers from her son by prodding him about Sandusky's behavior, the boy's mother expressed her concerns to the school, who in turn spoke with the boy. She was quickly called to the school where she learned more about the situation.

"I'm infuriated … Even if they had the slightest inclination that anything inappropriate was going on it should have been reported, or at least brought to my attention," she said. "I didn't even know he was leaving the school with my child, taking him out of classes. They never told me that."

The school's assistant principal told the grand jury that Sandusky was barred from the school district as soon as the mother had expressed concern about the coach's relationship with her son.

Throughout the course of the investigation and through testimony from her son, the boy's mother has learned what allegedly happened between her boy and Sandusky while he would sleep at the coach's home.

The boy testified that when staying in Sandusky's basement, the coach would come down and get into bed, crawling underneath him and running his arms up and down the boy's back to "crack" it. He testified that this led to further inappropriate touching during the summer of 2005 through 2006, when he was in seventh grade. This soon led to inappropriate sexual contact.

"I was horrified. I was absolutely horrified," Victim 1's mother said. "I knew some details but I didn't know that it was that, I didn't know it was that bad. It's caused a lot of nightmares, for him and I both."

time to rot in prison.

Assuming this dude is found guilty, he's gonna get hit wit consecutive(thx) sentences right?

>Assuming this dude is found guilty, he's gonna get hit wit
>concurrent sentences right?

Consecutive sentences are usually given in the cases where several serious crimes have been committed and so that in case one of the verdicts is overturned or reduced in the appeals process, they'd still have to serve out the rest of their sentences. A concurrent sentence would essentially cap their punishment at the level of the most serious crime.

Either way, if he gets convicted, I can't imagine a scenario that he wouldn't be locked up for the rest of his miserable natural life. If he does manage to escape serious jail time, it would make the outrage over the Casey Anthony verdict look like a local traffic violation trial.

Seriously, I don't want the kids who went through this to have to be put through the inevitable spectacle that the trial would inevitably become. Hopefully Sandusky pleads guilty, spends the rest of his life in prison, and the kids don't have to relive all this horrible shit again.

>Seriously, I don't want the kids who went through this to
>have to be put through the inevitable spectacle that the trial
>would inevitably become. Hopefully Sandusky pleads guilty,
>spends the rest of his life in prison, and the kids don't have
>to relive all this horrible shit again.

we already established how fucking nuts those people can be. a jury of penn state disciples willing to believe sandusky's generosity was being taken advantage of (whatever bullshit theory the defense runs with if they continue the not guilty plea)....i don't want to go there, but a jury of peers in that area could be the dumbest and blindest sheep and lemmings.

I doubt the prosecutor wants to hold this circus in Happy Valley.

so i guess a trial is coming

i don't want the kids to suffer anymore, either,though.

peace & blessings,

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and let rape KEEP HAPPENING.

>On one occasion a school wrestling coach witnessed inappropriate touching between the >two in a secluded weight room, according to the grand jury presentment.

Words can't describe what should happen to those who had the power to do something and didn't do it.

I'm saying tho

That's what it looks like.

Why exactly?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7220097/penn-state-nittany-lions-rally-program

I am providing the link but pasting the part that is REALLY FUCKING CRAZY TO ME

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Sam Stellatella, a three-position player in the 1950s, has donated money to Sandusky's defense and urged other former players to do the same.

"I told him he's going to need a million dollars to defend himself," the 73-year-old Stellatella said. "He called me back and said, 'What am I going to do with this money?' I said, 'Use it for your lawyer because you're going to need it.' "

Stellatella sent Sandusky $100. He wrote personal letters to other members of the 1959 Liberty Bowl team that defeated a Bear Bryant-coached Alabama team and asked they also donate. He does not know how much money was raised.

"I know some of the guys sent money," Stellatella told The Associated Press. "Here's the thing, these are horrendous charges against him. But he's still entitled to his day in court. Everybody's prejudged him. He's done horrendous damage to Paterno and (athletic director Tim) Curley and the football program. I don't listen to the news and I don't read the reports of what he did because I would get too upset.

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home. Scariest part is that he lives right next to an elementary school...

Also, over $100,000 has been raised just in the past few days mostly by PSU almuni and students in an effort to raise money for the victims'families and raise awareness to the RAINN organization.

Not everyone associated with PSU is a heartless scumbag, even though it may seem like that to the outside world right now...

lives 2 blocks from a school?

elementary school all this time. I mean, maybe it's pure coincidence, but given this guy's track record he probably choose that specific location with his sadistic fantasies in mind. The principal of that school had to issue a statement just recently informing the parents that their children would be safe and that Sandusky will not step foot on school grounds...

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-st-nittany-lions/2011/11/11/2555042/jerry-sandusky-recruit-penn-state-scandal

This article about a recruit from South Carolina who’s no longer considering Penn State is pretty interesting – not necessarily because he doesn’t want to deal with the “mess” as Penn State, which is perfectly sensible, but because of who did the recruiting.

Ranked last year by ESPNU as the 26th linebacker prospect in the country, Ah Ching said he was paid a visit by Penn State’s former assistant coach, Jerry Sandusky.

“He came to my last spring game going into my senior season. He liked how I moved, laterally, and how gifted I am,” said Ah Ching.

That’s right, Jerry Sandusky was recruiting high school kids for Penn State, as recently as this year. This apparently doesn’t violate any NCAA rules, but it sure sounds like more incredibly poor judgment that the program was apparently deliberately placing Sandusky in a position of power over minors while knowing that a grand jury was investigating him for sexually abusing young boys. And, again, as recently as this year. This probably shouldn’t come as much of a surprise at this point, but my eyes popped open a bit when I read this.

>This apparently
>doesn’t violate any NCAA rules

aren't just posting "anything."

That reads ilke a joke. "Likes the way I move?"

No joke. http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1321042117&sr=1-1

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7219828/no-one-seems-really-know-former-penn-state-assistant-coach-jerry-sandusky


AMBRIDGE, Pa. -- The books were uncovered in an old box Wednesday, and Kip Richeal called to say it was OK to stop by and grab one, free of charge. It never came close to being a best-seller; it almost didn't get published; and Richeal, the co-author, never liked the title. But Jerry Sandusky insisted. He wanted the book about his life to be called "Touched."

Richeal has a quiet job selling headstones at a monument company now, but his phone has not stopped ringing for the past six days. Sandusky, legendary assistant coach and pillar of the community, has been charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse to boys in a scandal that has prompted Joe Paterno's firing and rattled the state of Pennsylvania. Sandusky's name is toxic, and his movements are tracked. On Thursday, the State College paper reported that, according to a source, Sandusky was seen shopping at a Dick's Sporting Goods wearing Penn State gear, and a nation recoiled.

Everyone wants answers, and although Richeal doesn't have them, he seems just about the only person willing to talk openly about a man he calls a close friend. The first few days after news of the charges broke last weekend, Richeal was willing to wait and reserve judgment. He knows Sandusky. Or, he thought he knew Sandusky. By midweek, as the sordid details continued to come to light about the retired Penn State defensive coordinator, it was obvious that good faith was eroding.

"A lot of people look at him as a monster now," Richeal said.

"I would've never, ever thought something like this about him. And how long did it go on? It never happened with me. When I met him, though, I was 18. I wasn't a little boy. If this is all true, and it looks like it's really stacking up, something took over his personality. Something changed, and it's not the Jerry I know."

The narrative was a lie. Nobody, it seems, knows Sandusky. Not the folks at the small-town Rotary clubs who heard his motivational speeches about helping people, not the children at his Second Mile charity, and certainly not the players who sweated for him at Penn State. Mention Sandusky's name, and they do a 40-yard dash in the opposite direction.

So that leaves us with Richeal. The phone rings at Steckman Memorials, and it's someone from the Jane Velez-Mitchell show. CNN and Joy Behar have called, too, and it's so odd for Richeal. He could never be an athlete. He was born with hip dysplasia, and he walks with a cane. When he was picked to be a student manager at Penn State, and Paterno introduced himself, Richeal's father was so proud.

On a back wall near Richeal's desk is an old photo of him on the sideline during a Penn State-Temple game, a slight 100-pound teenager working around towering football players. Sandusky, apparently, admired the kid's perseverance. They'd drive to watch high school football games together. Richeal feels compelled, after reading the 23-page grand jury report, to say that Sandusky never tried to touch him during those trips. Sandusky was one of the people who persuaded Richeal to go back to school after one of three hip replacement surgeries. And he was there when Richeal graduated, making the three-hour drive to Beaver, Pa., to watch him clutch his diploma.

Sometimes, Richeal has felt compelled to pick up his phone and call Sandusky, but he stops. He wants to know, and doesn't want to know. He has no idea what he'd say.

Seemingly idyllic childhood

The 1960 Washington High School yearbook reveals a strapping young man with a goofy grin who could've done anything. He's the fourth one from the left in the varsity basketball photo, with a buzz cut and a large bandage on his knee. He's on the student council and in the film club and is part of a conscientious group of teenagers who donated 10 cents apiece to help children in India.

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AP Photo/Matt RourkePeople view a mural where the image of Sandusky was painted over and replaced with an empty chair.

"Up until the last few days I had always thought highly of Jerry," a former schoolmate in Washington, Pa., said of Sandusky in an email to ESPN.com. "The Jerry Sandusky I knew 50 years ago was an outstanding football player, a pretty good student, and in general a very good human being.

"This hurts real bad ... "

Sandusky was an only child, raised in one of the most respected families in the town of Washington, a picturesque community of about 13,000 that is within a half-hour's drive of Pittsburgh. Art and Evie Sandusky taught their son to work hard. They often worked two jobs apiece, and they lived in a tiny apartment above the Brownson House, a recreation center that kept kids off the streets and engaged in sports. Art was Brownson House's director, an athletic man who stood about 5-foot-10 and always took time to listen to any problem; Evie worked the concession stands, coached the cheerleaders and put together plays for the children.

That old brick building is sort of a frozen snapshot of Sandusky's childhood. The tiny gym with the wooden floor is still there, and so are many of the fixtures, including a couple of outdated candy machines that crank out selections for 50 cents. In the entryway is a large framed picture of Sandusky's smiling parents. Outside, there's an old field where the children play football and lacrosse and whatever else they want. It's called Art Sandusky Field.

"Art and Evie were great people," said Dan Petrola, who replaced Art as the Brownson House director after Art retired in the mid-1980s. "I mean, he was my mentor. He taught me a lot about running activities and dealing with people. He was genuine. A very caring person. And he was very good at what he did."

Petrola, like most people these days, hesitates to say much about Jerry. He'll say that he used to drop by when he was near the area for recruiting visits and that his parents "thought the world of Jerry." He says, at least twice, that Jerry didn't work with children at the Brownson House.

Art and Evie eventually moved to State College to be close to Jerry, Petrola said. To be around family. Sandusky met his wife, Dottie, in Washington in the mid-1960s. He called her "Sarge" because she was the one in charge of the house. They adopted six kids -- Sandusky had told people they couldn't have children -- and raised five boys and one girl. A Facebook page for his daughter, Kara Sandusky Werner, revealed a profile picture of Sandusky hoisting a little girl on his shoulders. It's an old photo. His hair was brown, and his smile was wide. The page had been removed by Wednesday.

In various interviews over the years, Sandusky has said that his parents' efforts to make an impact in kids' lives helped inspire him to start The Second Mile, which began as a foster home and mushroomed into a program that has helped hundreds of thousands of kids in Pennsylvania. It also helped Sandusky have access to his alleged victims.

Petrola refuses to speculate on Sandusky's intentions.

"That's something nobody will know unless it comes out of Jerry's mouth," Petrola said.

The neighborhood outside the Brownson House has changed a lot since Sandusky's childhood. The steel mills and glass factories have been shuttered. But by nightfall, when school is out, the children arrive, and the Brownson House is bustling, just like it was when Art ran the place.

Possibilities of a dual life

Sandusky, the architect of the 1982 and '86 defenses that were driving forces behind Penn State's national championships, could be very serious on the football field but goofy and somewhat childlike off it.

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Patrick Smith/Getty ImagesSandusky's house in University Park, Pa.

That duality might help explain why Sandusky, who is accused of molesting at least eight children over the course of 15 years, could live a seemingly normal life and go so long without being suspected of wrongdoing. There is no true profile for a pedophile, said David Finkelhor, the director of the Crimes against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. But, judging from what he's heard about the Sandusky case, Finkelhor said that if the allegations are true, Sandusky could fall under a subset known as socially adept preferential child molesters.

"They often genuinely like to be with children," Finkelhor said. "They are often good in organizing activities that are fun and gratifying to children. They have learned to normalize the activities that allow them to gain sexual access to children by making games out of it or providing rewards for it or providing a rationalization that makes the kids think it's OK.

"They tend to elicit a fair amount of allegiance with the children that they interact with, which makes it easier for them to escape detection."

How does a man who had a seemingly idyllic childhood and was so accomplished professionally that he was one of the most coveted coordinators in college football become a suspected child molester? Studies show that roughly half of child molesters were abused at some point in their lives, Finkelhor said. But there are a variety of other factors, too. He says some experts believe genetics, developmental experiences and prenatal issues might be involved.

"In the same way we don't know what controls sexual orientation, we don't really know where that kind of motivation comes from," Finkelhor said. "Sometimes, preferential child molesters are married. But oftentimes, you find these people who do not relate well to adult peer relationships. They prefer to relate to children."

'It's a blindside'

Sandusky, 67, was recognized by Congress. His charity was named one of President George H.W. Bush's Points of Light. He is a longtime parishioner at St. Paul's Methodist Church and is believed to be an usher, though privacy concerns preclude the Rev. Edwin Zeiders from confirming that.

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AP Photo/Paul VathisSandusky with Joe Paterno in happier times in 1999.

Zeiders said he's known Sandusky's family for five years.

"Like anybody else in the parish, I was finding names and stories about people and then learned to rejoice in their good work," he said. "So I guess for all of us, this would be saddening and disappointing."

Maybe nobody really knew Sandusky. Former NFL coach Dick Vermeil wrote the forward in Sandusky's book. He called him "a man who has risen to the upper echelon of the coaching profession, both as a football coach and a humanitarian."

Vermeil got to know Sandusky through charity work. He did speaking engagements for him and golfed with him. He hasn't spoken to him since the scandal broke.

"It's a blindside," Vermeil said. "That's all I can say.

"If it's true, he's a sick man. He had an illness none of us knew about. That's all."

Richeal wishes it would all go away. He says his dad, who's in his 80s, is sick and distraught over it. Richeal remembers a time, in the late 1990s, when he believes Paterno lost some of his faith in Sandusky. In the old days, Paterno trusted that Sandusky's defense would close out games. But toward the end, Paterno sometimes changed up Sandusky's plans.

"I think toward the end, their relationship wasn't as good," Richeal said. "I don't know the reasons, and I didn't pry into it and ask why. But I don't think it was as good as it was."

In 1998, the first allegations against Sandusky were investigated but weren't prosecuted. Richeal refuses to speculate on whether that had any impact on the coaches' relationship or on whether it caused Sandusky to retire in 1999 at the age of 55.

Richeal was up late Wednesday night watching the events unfold on TV as Paterno was fired and students protested in the streets of State College. He can't believe what is going on at the school, his school. He can't believe much of anything anymore.

Elizabeth Merrill is a senior writer for ESPN.com. She can be reached at merrill2323@hotmail.com.

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I keep thinking of the cognitive dissonance we saw in some rappers who were followers of Malachi Z York, after his conviction as a serial child rapist.

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/52300/mto-exclusive-report-most-of-the-boys-molested-by-the-penn-state-coach-were-black-he-had-a-fetish-for-black-boys.html

MTO EXCLUSIVE REPORT: Most Of The Boys MOLESTED By The Penn State Coach . . . WERE BLACK!!! (He Had A FETISH For Black Boys)

November 11, 2011: By now you've heard that former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing eight young boys over more than a decade and former Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and former finance official Gary Schultz, were charged with failing to report an incident.

Penn State University appears to be involved in a SYSTEMATIC coverup of the incident, which has many wondering WHY they would do such a thing. Why would a university TURN ITS BACK on so many young boys who were being MOLESTED by that MONSTER.

Well MediaTakeOut.com spoke with a woman claiming to be a MOTHER of a boy allegedly molested by Sandusky, and her son was AFRICAN AMERICAN.

The mother, who asked for anonymity, told MediaTakeOut.com that her son and many other young boys claiming to be MOLESTED all looked similar. "They were Black about 10-12, and had a tall slim muscular build." The mother went on, "How could no one have noticed, he's around all these boys that look the same . . . This is disgraceful."

The mom claims that she has gone to the POLICE and will seek criminal and civil actions against EVERYONE involved. Including the school. Good for her, we hope they BANKRUPT Penn State.

By the way, for all you people thinking that MAYBE Sandusky didn't do it. Peep the timeline of events, courtesy of ESPN, and tell us whether you think there is THE SLIGHTEST CHANCE that he's innocent!!!

1969 Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977 Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows to become a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983 Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987 Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994 Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95 Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96 Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97 Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98 Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998 Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998 Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999 Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999 Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000 Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000 A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002 A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002 Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and senior vice president for finance and business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate) The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in grand jury in December 2010.

2005-2006 Boy known as Victim 1 says that he meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008 Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa., teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

March 2011 Harrisburg (Pa.) Patriot-News reports that grand jury is investigating Sandusky on allegations of indecent assault against a teenage boy. The Patriot-News reports that five people with knowledge of the case said the grand jury has been meeting for 18 months and has called witnesses, including Paterno and Curley. Penn State declines comment.

Nov. 5, 2011 Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts

Nov. 7, 2011 Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university president Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011 Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly news conference.

Nov. 9, 2011 Paterno announces in the morning he'll retire at the end of the season, but the university's board of trustees rules later that Paterno and Spanier are out effective immediately. Defensive coordinator Tom Bradley is named interim coach and provost Rodney Erickson is named interim university president.

This is going to be NUTS. I know it's mediatakeout but I feel like most of these boys are black.

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/11/885851fc21d8cab3be8bd410ae688af0.jpg

Penn State assistant Mike McQueary tells players he's in 'protective custody'

Published: Friday, November 11, 2011, 5:51 PM Updated: Friday, November 11, 2011, 6:36 PM


DAVID JONES, The Patriot-News By DAVID JONES, The Patriot-News

Penn State's deposed receivers coach Mike McQueary, today placed on what the school called "administrative leave," moments ago told his receivers on a brief conference call that he was in "protective custody" at a secluded location not in State College.
Penn State coach Joe Paterno at practiceView full sizePenn State head coach Joe Paterno watches over the beginning of practice at the fields behind the Lasch Football Building. Paterno announced his retirement at the end of the season earlier Wednesday. JOE HERMITT, The Patriot-News

McQueary, witness to the alleged sexual assault of a 10-year-old boy in 2002 by Jerry Sandusky, has been the subject of physical threats. He is the key subject in further investigation into the scandal and potentially could be the single most important trial witness.

On Friday afternoon, according to two team sources, new receivers coach Kermit Buggs gathered his players in a room at the PSU football complex and allowed them to talk with McQueary on a speaker phone.

During a brief and emotional conversation, McQueary told them, “I wanted to let you guys know I'm not your coach anymore. I'm done.”

When players asked, "Coach, where are you? Can we see you?" McQueary responded, “No, I'm actually in protective custody. I'm not in State College.”

It was decided by school officials yesterday that McQueary would not coach in Saturday's game against Nebraska after he received threats.

McQueary, 37, has been a full-time coach at PSU since 2004, specializing as the receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He was the Nittany Lions' starting quarterback in 1997. He is married with a 2-year-old daughter.

DAVID JONES: djones8681@verizon.net.

His life is definitely in danger. There are people who are disgusted with his inaction as well as people who might be connected that are caught up in this mess. If I were him I get the fuck outta the state of PA like yesterday.


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The problem with threads like this is that everyone is scouring the net for the worst=case-scenario articles mostly found on the fringes of sports journalism.

If you add up all the links here....

we have a bunch of rich alumni being sold children to fund one the biggest schools in the country....

A DA being murdered for investigating it....

Hundreds of people involved in a conspiracy that goes back to the 70's involving hundreds of children.....

It's much more likely that this was not such a widespread organized operation. I'd be shocked if it was more than a few sickos who were good at fooling people combined with some ethically indifferent assholes.

> I'd be shocked if it was more than a few
>sickos who were good at fooling people combined with some
>ethically indifferent assholes.

Although I'm sure there's been other instances of this before that have never been outted.

In Toronto...a child molestation ring run by GORDON STUCKLESS involving ushers for Maple Leaf Gardens pled guilty for abusing 24 boys during the 70's and 80's. Who knows how many ACTUAL victims there were:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0011176

NHL players Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury outted the asshole named GRAHAM JAMES (junior coach/recruiter) who is currently living in Mexico by last account. He pled guilty to over 350 acts of sexual assaults against only those two individuals. And they're the ones who had money. In fact, when Sheldon first came out (and Theo refused to comment at the time) there were members of the sports media in Canada that defended GRAHAM JAMES.

Who knows how many victims he had:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_James_%28ice_hockey%29

This shit happens. I'm just saying slow down about the speculations about widespread conspiracy. In reality...these things usually take place because of common complacency.

none of us here owes any journalistic ethics to anyone.

and a lot of the trains of thoughts are pretty reasonable questions to ask and threads to unravel as far as i can tell.

There simply isn't enough men who want to sexually assualt little boys to create a matrix of cooperation that some of these links suggest. And the men that have those perverse urges...wouldn't have the means to pull off such a thing.

I refuse to believe that the local police...the university...the football staff all collaberated in selling little boys to a perverted sect of alumni that funded/bribed the entire community.

Such a suggestion makes me say slow down. Cause the shit is real and we don't want to make stuff up.

>I refuse to believe that the local police...the
>university...the football staff all collaberated in selling
>little boys to a perverted sect of alumni that funded/bribed
>the entire community.

which has already been clearly designated as a RUMOR and as a result, nobody is really harping on it.

there are enough facts out right now to label this as a batshit insane story without the prostitution ring stuff...which FWIW im not really buying into either.

about it at and around Penn State, nobody did shit.

pedophile goes and has sex in a communal shower on a college campus? A MF who has done it enough to feel like he won't get caught or get in trouble.
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the higher ups in the university...as well as the campus police..

Can't help but think that considering that part of pennsylvania isn't exactly considered the most "tolerant" towards Black people...

puts a whole other twist to the story..

This puts 'a whole other spin' on your stupid posts in this thread.

On the one hand...nice to see you're finally emotionally invested with the victims. On the other hand...you're an idiot.

scapegoat the most famous person involved in this (yet not even dispiline the guy who witnessed a child rape)....

the board did so because they realize this issue goes well beyond....hope that laying it on Paterno's feet will get higher ups at the school and commnity off the hook...

as more information comes out...I'm actuallly being proven right about this as it's obvious this was a wide ranging cover up well beyond the head football coach..

I stand on my previous statements...

that being said....if you cannot comprehend that stance is not in contradiction of supporting the victims, that's your problem. As I mentioned before I have a couple thousand kids under my supervision and responsibility on a daily basis, so I don't have to react to a news story to prove my support for children....I live it everyday.

You are completely NOT being consistent with your earlier posts. You previously argued that only the actual abuser is responsible...."That's on him"....and only a 'mandated reporter' or actual 'witness' is responsible for reporting the crime. Such a view is part of the problem.

Nice try though.

And this 'throw the race card at the wall and see if it sticks' kinda thing is just a distraction from the real issue. If they're black? Oh that explains it. If they're not? Then what?

A few of Graham James victims were of native heritage (such as Theo Fleury) because of the demographics of western Canada. There were also whites.

Sorry...but this hits close to home for me. The real issue with these types of scandals....the church, the boy scouts, athletic organizations, etc is COMMON COMPLACENCY by normal people and the policy of these organizations to 'deal with things internally' instead of calling the police. THAT is what 'explains it'. Any distraction from that prevents us from solving the problem.

its pretty easy to make warren look like an idiot, shit he does it himself, but it is always delightful when it happens.

>its pretty easy to make warren look like an idiot, shit he
>does it himself, but it is always delightful when it happens.

Your avy should be adrian adonis after he changed his m.o. homo

lemme know...

dress code....wives...... whatever else..

lol... you can't see Coolidge on any level.

>You are completely NOT being consistent with your earlier
>posts. You previously argued that only the actual abuser is
>responsible...."That's on him"....

in reference to the Coach Paterno vs. Sandusky.... the molesting of boys ..the responsibility, condemnation, and consequences for those crimes is on Sandusky....yeah..it's on him.. Not Paterno.

You call Paterno to the office..you tell him he's fired TO HIS FACE..and offer him the opportunity to resign "to allow the healing process to begin".... by doing it the way they did it they are attempting to place more responsibility on this than his actions or inactions are worthy..... to scapegoat him..so to speak..



and only a 'mandated
>reporter' or actual 'witness' is responsible for reporting the
>crime. Such a view is part of the problem.

here's where you're way off.... I brought up being a mandated reporter wondering why it seems as though all that the Penn state people did was report this to their supervisor's and not the police, or another legal agency as is required by the mandated reporter policy that I am aware of. If they should have reported it to the authorities, why wasn't the grad assistant being hung out to dry? He witnessed a serious crime being committed....he wasn't TOLD ABOUT IT...HE SAW IT.



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>Nice try though.
>
>And this 'throw the race card at the wall and see if it
>sticks' kinda thing is just a distraction from the real issue.
> If they're black? Oh that explains it. If they're not?
>Then what?

There's got to be a reason why the police or another legal agency ....or even the school or the athletic department seems to have investigated claims that went as far as one of their own employees witnessing such a crime. If there are a lot of poor Black boys in this so to speak...it makes it somewhat more understandable that this didn't rise to the level of investigation it should have because this is an area that is known for its lack of respect for Black people in general. The idea that these were simply poor kids...EITHER WHITE OR BLACK..... gives people the idea that they can be exploited without accountablity....but if they were BLACK AND UNDERPRIVLAGED....you may see a complete disegard for human decency towards them by people who have hatred for Black people.



>A few of Graham James victims were of native heritage (such as
>Theo Fleury) because of the demographics of western Canada.
>There were also whites.

unless you can show me that a system of authority...rising to the police were given reports of Graham Jamess raping those young hockey players...and graham jones was still allowed to walk free or have access to children. Did another hockey coach catch Graham James sodomizing a child?? and if so.... did said coach not call the police???

from my recollection of the James case was that his abuse lasted a long period of time..but I don't recall him getting caught in the act and not going to jail like it seems Sandusky did.


>Sorry...but this hits close to home for me. The real issue
>with these types of scandals....the church, the boy scouts,
>athletic organizations, etc is COMMON COMPLACENCY by normal
>people and the policy of these organizations to 'deal with
>things internally' instead of calling the police. THAT is
>what 'explains it'. Any distraction from that prevents us
>from solving the problem.


with all due respect, you taking my comments as an attempt to solve a problem is missing the point. I was speaking primarily on the manner that Paterno was fired, and how that was a cheap way to try and scapegoat the famous guy, and not deal with the larger issues at hand. You can't cover up something like this without it reaching to the highest levels of both the school and the police department.

but here is a solution for this particular problem...if you see a kid getting sodomized in the shower...call the police. If the police get a call from a parent saying her child took a shower with the same guy who was in the shower with a kid..investigate and prosecute that shit.

I'm not into generalities of "lets let all the heads roll, and say some emotional words" type of thing..... I'm into going after specific culprits.... for the specific crimes that they committ...... That's how you change a culture of sick shit. Take ouf the muthafukkas did the sick shit. With the Cathollic Church...there were Cardinals and Bishops who never molested kids that had to suffer for the ones that did..... if you take out the specific peeople who do the acts, or who don't report them...the shit ends.

that news is so irrelevant that it's really not worth discussing much less complaining about.

anybody involved in the cover up will be getting fucked to the max punishable by law.

if joe pa takes the brunt of the media hit...well who really cares.

allowed this man to continue his mayhem for at a minimum of 13 years longer than he should have been able to do.

Sandusky will end up either killing himself or getting raped/killed in a cell before he makes his way to hell.

McQueary will need to find a new line of work.

The hand-picked by Paterno AD (who Joe considered his 'boss' only when it came time to pass the buck on these horrific allegations seen by his own staff) is finished while also facing criminal charges.

The president is finished.

JoePa is finally finished what he likely should have been finished doing 10 years or more ago, coaching.

The fact that his career now has been irredeemably tainted was a situation that he could have completely avoided had he actually lived up to the ethics he espoused for the past 40 odd years as the head of the program.

This really isn't a very complex issue as to why this story has turned the spotlight on Paterno.

He's the man who got all the credit for the program's success, he's the guy who got the statue, he's the guy who has called his own shot with no member of the university every being able to challenge him & now due to all that success/publicity he'd garnered he's the one getting talked about the most in the media.

We. Are. Penn. State.(c)JoePa

Damn right, YOU ARE, Old Man.

So you gotta where what that phrase means *now* after your utopia turned out to be a sick ruse.

was afraid to snitch on Sandusky because he was Joe's right-hand man for 30+ years.

who cares? He's been doing it for years, he's good to those poor little nigger boys, he spends money on them and takes them places, the least they can do to repay him is give a little ass.

i keep hearing rumors and i read that one mediatakeout article but, more confirmation is needed. i keep hearing words like 'poor', 'disadvantaged', 'at risk' to describe the victims involved and the media has been particularly mum about this. has anyone seen the mothers?

this cover up is very eerie and continues...


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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

honestly though it doesnt make a lick of difference whether they're white or black.

just sayin'....

I think we all know the answer to that one

They would probably have to send the National Guards up there if this was the case.

somebodys gonna off this cat

Really it was only a matter of time before we got here...


On Campus, a Law Enforcement System to Itself

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/us/on-college-campuses-athletes-often-get-off-easy.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

By NINA BERNSTEIN


Excerpt:

The Arizona State case illustrates the possible consequences. A student raped in her dorm room in 2004 learned that the accused football player had been expelled from a summer program for threatening, grabbing and sexually harassing several women on campus. He had been readmitted within weeks at the insistence of his coach. The student sued the university for violating her Title IX rights by creating a “hostile environment,” and in 2009, a court settlement forced university officials to pay the petitioner $850,000, appoint a student safety coordinator and overhaul its policies on sexual assault.

Marquette is under investigation by the Education Department for possible violations of the Clery Act, apparently in connection with a case in which four athletes accused of sexual assault were said to have met with the coaching staff to discuss the episode before they were interviewed by campus police. And according to the local district attorney, the campus police never told local law enforcement or prosecutors about the case, or about a second sexual assault complaint against another athlete five months later.

In two cases — one at Dominican College in Orangeburg, N.Y., in 2006 and another at Notre Dame in 2010 — freshman women committed suicide after their complaints of sexual assault against athletes were mishandled

Q: And Sandusky?

A: “That was on the back burner, but I knew I'd have to deal with it on some level. But there were some curious things along the way. I was talking to former defensive players, asking them what makes Linebacker U. Linebacker U. And it seemed they were really hesitant to mention his name.”


http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2011/11/qa_sports_writer_gordie_jones.html

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

ESPN interviewed a class of 42 PSU alum and if you look over his shoulder the stars and bars are flying in the background. My mom PSU alum told me that central PA was klan country, in fact when she was a sophomore on her way to class some cats in a pickup yelled out "nigger" at her.

up i always heard stories about my parents going to the caf to eat during halloween and kids walking around dressed up in klan suits
and all kinds of other racist shit
school administration did nothing
most of PA, DE, and NY are incredibly racist outside of the major cities
if you know black ppl who went to PSU the level of "we are penn state" pride is considerably different from what i've seen
the weekend this shit hit the fan i was chilling with about 7 recent PSU grads (black) and it was not the focus of our weekend. that's prolly because of the detachment that alot of black psu alum have from the school

>most of PA, DE, and NY are incredibly racist outside of the
>major cities

>>most of PA, DE, and NY are incredibly racist outside of the
>>major cities
>
nah, this is true.

(c) wayne campbell

>most of the US is incredibly racist outside of the
>major cities

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I have nothing to contribute here, just complaining.

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Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day In Hell
LEP Bogus Boys/DJ Green Lantern - Now Or Neva
Pete Rock - NY's Finest

>>most of the US is incredibly racist

>>>the US is incredibly racist

and how true it is.


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Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day In Hell
LEP Bogus Boys/DJ Green Lantern - Now Or Neva
Pete Rock - NY's Finest

I think there was a racial incident at a game last year, there was some sort of rash of hate-crime shit in the 90's I'm having trouble recalling specifics on but I'm also thinking that race is going to end up showing itself to have played a role in the treatment of this child molestation scandal.

Crappy Valley/State College is basically the Konfederate Flaggot (henceforth K.F.) capital of Pennsylvania.

and the fact that the Confederate Flag is flown like that in PENNSYLVANIA (and other Union states, like Ohio, etc) should be enough to convince ardent KF defenders that it is a symbol of "hate, not so-much heritage" as it is oft said in the inverse.

speaking of confederate flags, friend of mine from college had an aunt in PA out past the Main Line where I used to carpool back from MD to Philly/SJ occasionally over holiday breaks.

His aunt/uncle had some serious guap, their neighbor across the street was Lenny Dykstra (this would have been right about the time he was recently retired in the late 90s).

His son's room overlooked the street and had a full double window-covering confederate flag on display in his second-floor bedroom.

That shit always gave me pause for how a rich kid living in a wealthy northeast area with parents from Southern California arrived at making that kind of 'statement' (and this was in the window every time I saw it for a good 2 years).

Then again, as we know money can't by class or sense & the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

I actually talked my boy into egging it one of those trips, stopped at the Wawa nearby to grab a carton before dropping him off but then he lost nerve when we saw his aunt was home when we got to the house.

Probably would have been a bad look for him to be seen egging Dykstra's house then walking right into the house across the street.

GOOD.

Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno's name has been removed from the Big Ten's football championship trophy, league commissioner Jim Delany said Monday.

The league announced in light of the series of events that have recently unfolded at Penn State, including grand jury indictments, an ongoing grand jury investigation, a U.S. Department of Education investigation, the Board of Trustees’ dismissal of Paterno and the Board of Trustees’ appointment of a Special Investigation Committee, it would remove Paterno’s name from the championship trophy.

The trophy will be awarded at the Big Ten's inaugural football championship game Dec. 3 in Indianapolis.

“We believe that it would be inappropriate to keep Joe Paterno’s name on the trophy at this time,” Delany said. “The trophy and its namesake are intended to be celebratory and aspirational, not controversial. We believe that it’s important to keep the focus on the players and the teams that will be competing in the inaugural championship game.”
The trophy to be presented in Indianapolis next month will now be called the "Stagg Championship Trophy," named after Amos Alonzo Stagg, who coached football at the University of Chicago, a founding member of the Big Ten, from 1892-1932. Stagg compiled a 199-94-22 record while the University of Chicago was a member of the Big Ten, including national championships in 1905 and 1913.

The great grandson of Stagg, Robert Stagg of Grand Rapids, Mich., said Monday the family deferred to the Big Ten on the decision. Stagg told CBSSports.com last week the family would have issues with the trophy's name if Paterno was found "complicit" in the Sandusky scandal.

"We as a family are deferring them (Big Ten). It was a proper thing to do," Robert Stagg told CBSSports.com. "They have a lot more people to consider things. I pretty much let them steer the whole process. They were aware we were interested in how things were going to play out."

Asked for a reaction to Paterno's name being removed from the trophy, Stagg said: "I still think it’s too early in the process to make a judgement. It’s such an unfortunate situation. I just have a feeling there is a lot more coming out."

Paterno was fired on Wednesday night for his failure to notify police about the sexual abuse allegations of former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

Saturday, in their first game since Paterno was fired - Penn State's first without Paterno as head coach since 1966 and the first game since Nov. 19, 1949, Joe Paterno was not either a Penn State head coach or assistant - the Nittany Lions lost to Nebraska 17-14.

However, the Nittany Lions (8-1, 5-2 Big Ten) still lead the Big Ten's Leaders Division by one-game over Wisconsin (8-2, 4-2). Penn State visits Ohio State Saturday and Wisconsin visits Illinois. No matter the outcome of the Penn State-Ohio State contest, if Wisconsin wins at Illinois, the Badgers and Nittany Lions will play Nov. 26 in Madison, Wis., for the Leaders Division title and berth in the inaugural Big Ten championsihp game. Penn State would clinch the Leaders Division title by beating Ohio State and if Wisconsin lost to Illinois.

In the Legends Division, Michigan State (8-2, 5-1) owns a one-game lead over Michigan (8-2, 4-2) and Nebraska (8-2, 4-2). The Spartans will win the Legends Division by winning their final two games against Indiana and Northwestern.



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Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day In Hell
LEP Bogus Boys/DJ Green Lantern - Now Or Neva
Pete Rock - NY's Finest

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=3F6F3E67-28B

since Woody's on and off field accomplishments trump JoePa's.


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Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day In Hell
LEP Bogus Boys/DJ Green Lantern - Now Or Neva
Pete Rock - NY's Finest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf0ft3I

LOL

meanwhile, as a Chicago alum who was born on campus in Ann Arbor, i think naming the trophy after Stagg is the right move.

Woody went out on his terms, and paid the price for it.

Dick Rod was a failed disaster.

LLLLLLoyd was forced out.

and Brady Hoke was a desperate hire (again)


^actual factuals.

*edit, I'm pretty sure the day Jim Tressel gets into the HOF that will be the day you kill your sad self.

{If Barry Switzer got in, so will The Vest.)

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what a sad, pitiful ending for O$U's "legendary" coach.


By the way, Lloyd and Tressel both had 1 national title. And Lloyd didn't go out like a bitch like Tressel (shamed cheater getting canned for ethical failures) -- in fact, Lloyd went out riding his players' shoulders after smacking around the Florida team that curbstomped O$U the previous year.

And desperate hire or not, Hoke >>>> Fickel.


Nice deflection attempts though.


By the way... Lloyd is in that same HOF.

and everyone outside of Ann Arbor (who isnt clouded by TOSU hate) would agree.


>By the way, Lloyd and Tressel both had 1 national title.

and Lloyd was also Tressel's bitch. Just reminding you.

in fact, Lloyd went
>out riding his players' shoulders after smacking around the
>Florida team that curbstomped O$U the previous year

it wasn't the Florida same team at all. Your hate is clouding your memory. Continue measuring success by how you do against teams we've played though.


>And desperate hire or not, Hoke >>>> Fickel.

Lol, I'd sure hope so considering Hoke has had head coaching experience for quite some time now. I'm not sure what he's done in that time to merit the Michigan job, but that's your problem not mine.


>By the way... Lloyd is in that same HOF.

Cool.



_______________________________
Freddie Gibbs - Cold Day In Hell
LEP Bogus Boys/DJ Green Lantern - Now Or Neva
Pete Rock - NY's Finest

which is why the trophy is named for him and not Woody or Bo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Alonzo_Stagg

...but, continue.

my 1st move as prez will be to return the school to Div 1 athletics, beginning w/the football program.

the stage is being set!

http://tinyurl.com/7p6ncf8

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- The president of the charity linked to the Penn State child sex-abuse scandal has resigned, saying he hopes his departure after 28 years as the group's CEO would help restore faith in its mission.


The Second Mile's board of directors said in a statement Monday that it had accepted the resignation of Dr. Jack Raykovitz.

Raykovitz, a practicing psychologist, had testified before the grand jury that indicted Second Mile founder Jerry Sandusky on 40 counts of child abuse. The grand jury said Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, found his victims through the charity's programs.

The board also said that it would conduct an internal investigation to assess policies and make recommendations regarding future operations. They hope to have those findings by the end of December.

Raykovitz said in a statement Monday that he hopes his resignation would mark the beginning of a "restoration of faith in the community of volunteers and staff" at The Second Mile.

Sandusky founded The Second Mile in 1977. The group has said that its youth programs serve as many as 100,000 children a year.

Sandusky, who retired from Penn State in 1999, informed The Second Mile board in November 2008 that he was under investigation. The charity subsequently barred him from activities involving children, charity officials said.

The ex-coach is accused of assaulting eight children over a 15-year span. His attorney has said he's innocent.

The scandal led to the departure of university president Graham Spanier and the dismissal of legendary head coach Joe Paterno after law enforcement officials said they didn't do enough to stop suspected abuse when it was reported to them in 2002.

Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz were charged with perjury. Both have denied wrongdoing and have left their university posts.

In other developments, The Patriot-News of Harrisburg reports that assistant coach Mike McQueary is consulting with an attorney after being placed on paid administrative leave following death threats about his testimony against Sandusky.

In 2002, McQueary, then a Penn State graduate assistant, went to Paterno and reported seeing Sandusky assaulting a young boy in the Penn State football team's showers. McQueary has faced immense criticism this week for not calling police, interrupting the act or, in the nine years since he was an eyewitness, demanding answers about why Sandusky was never charged.

Meanwhile, law enforcement sources told ABC News that the Sandusky case "has generated a strong public response." Sources said the case "has generated multiple leads" and "information from the public" that has required state police to commit additional investigative resources to the case.

Sandusky, 67, is free on $100,000 unsecured bail.

Leslie Dutchcot, the judge who set terms of his bail, has come under fire for her role as a past volunteer for The Second Mile. However, the Patriot-News of Harrisburg, Pa., reported Monday that she only had a small role in a few events in 2008-2009, after Sandusky had been barred from events involving children. The state attorney general's office said no concerns were raised about a potential conflict of interest, and district judges in Pennsylvania do not hear trials on misdemeanor or felony cases. They set bail and determine if the case should proceed to a county court judge.

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Rotation:
Phonte - Charity Starts at Home
DJ Flash - Best of Phonte
Blu - NoYork!
Wilco - The Whole Love
Kendrick Lamar - Section 80
DJ Breakem Off & Big K.R.I.T.-Last King 2
Trombone Shorty - For True

it is nearly impossible.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids

By Jessica Hopper
Rock Center

DEVELOPING: Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky admitted to showering and horsing around with young boys but said he is not a pedophile in an exclusive interview with Bob Costas for NBC News' Rock Center airing tonight at 10 pm/9 CT.

"I say that I am innocent of those charges," said Sandusky in a phone interview with Costas.

When asked by Costas, "Are you a pedophile," Sandusky responded "No."

Joe Paterno’s one time defensive coordinator was charged earlier this month with 40 counts of sexually abusing eight boys. He is currently free on a $100,000 bond and has denied any wrongdoing. The allegations date back to 1994, according to a grand jury report. A grand jury report detailed claims of alleged sexual encounters with young boys in Sandusky's home, hotels and Penn State locker rooms.

"I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact," said Sandusky.

When pressed by Costas about what Sandusky was willing to concede that he'd done was wrong, Sandusky said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

The scandal has tarnished the reputation of the once heralded football program, leading to the departure of coaching legend Paterno and three other university officials. It’s also left students and residents of State College, Penn., shocked.

The sight of the 67-year-old Sandusky in handcuffs is hard to reconcile with his public image of a devoted father of six adopted kids who founded a charity to help at risk youth. That charity, The Second Mile, has also come under fire.

All of the alleged sex abuse victims met Sandusky through their participation in The Second Mile. Sandusky founded the charity in 1977 as a group foster home for troubled boys. It spawned into a non-profit organization that has raised millions of dollars to help young boys and girls. Today, Chief Executive Officer Jack Raykovitz’s resignation was announced by the non-profit organization’s board of directors. Grand jury testimony alleges that Raykovitz was aware of at least one of the allegations against Sandusky.

In an NBC News interview from 1987, Sandusky joked that he started The Second Mile because he was a “frustrated playground director.”

“I enjoy being around children. I enjoy their enthusiasm. I just have a good time with them,” Sandusky said.

Sandusky gave up his day to day duties at the organization in 2010. By that time, at least two people had allegedly witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing two different boys in showers on Penn State’s campus, according to a grand jury report.

While Sandusky retired as a coach at Pennsylvania State University in 1999, he continued to have access to Penn State’s facilities. In 2002, he was banned from bringing minors to campus athletic facilities after then graduate student Mike McQueary allegedly witnessed Sandusky molesting a boy, according to the grand jury report. The incident was never reported to police or investigated by university police. Sandusky allegedly violated the order not to bring minors to campus by bringing at least one victim to the campus after 2002, according to the grand jury report.

The alleged victims testified that they were abused in hotel rooms, Sandusky’s own home and on Penn State’s campus. Some victims testified that Sandusky would visit them frequently at their schools when they didn’t return his phone calls, according to the grand jury report.

Editor's note: Bob Costas' exclusive interview airs on Rock Center tonight at 10pm/9 CT on NBC.

In an earlier edition of this report, we mistakenly identified a location of Sandusky's alleged sexual encounters as Paterno's home. According to the grand jury report, it was Sandusky's home.