I think epps really should shut his mouth cause he don't really know Chappelle. This seems like help. He should I have said "I pray for him" and move on. seem like some crabs in the barrell shit.

At a recent press day for The Honeymooners, comedian Mike Epps took it a step further, committing his opinion to record in front of a room full of journalists in which IGN FilmForce was present.

The subject came up when Epps mentioned his worries about playing Richard Pryor in a potential upcoming project directed by Walter Hill. Someone asked whether his stress compared to Chappelle's and Epps laughed, snapping into a response. "You know, coming from where I come from, I'm already crazy. S**t. You ain't got to worry about me going. I'm crazy, straight up. I done seen the psychiatrist, I been on the little pills or whatever they got. You know what I'm saying? I'm for real. He just goin' through some new s**t. This is him going through his. I thank God I been through mine at an early age. Going through it and being on drugs. I went crazy after Next Friday because certain things overwhelm us, man. That's overwhelming…

"I don't think he came from the background I came from. I don't think that. But my background. Everything around me is failure. You know what I mean? Trash in the alley. I got eight brothers and we all got damn near different daddies. I come from a real welfare family, you know mother struggling. My grandmother was the same way… So that alone, for you to come out in Hollywood and get in a movie will overwhelm the s**t out of you, if you from that. Now, you give me 50 million dollars, I ain't gonna go crazy. I'm gonna go to the mall and go and get some new cars, I'm about to go and put my momma in a new house, I'm about to give some of these kids in the community some money. That's all he should have did… Just give some of that money to the kids, and that will bring you right back… You'll realize that that's what that's for, is to share it, and you won't go crazy.

"The thing about it is, the material he was doing wasn't him. He don't come from no crackheads on the streets and s**t. You can't talk about black people like that and you don't even represent that. You don't come into the community and kick it with black kids. You got white writers on your show. You got white boys writing, talking about black people on the show, you know what I'm saying? You got Oprah lashing out at him. Not only that, you got people comparing him to Richard Pryor, so once you got that on you right there, and you ain't even came from what Richard Pryor came from, it look like you done tricked a bunch of motherf******, that's what it look like, and now you can't follow yourself, because you got that material from some other people. Charlie Murphy and them did all that. I remember the show blowing up from, 'I'm rich, bitch' and James Brown and Rick James and all that.

"What I really think, true heart to heart, is that you only as good as your last s**t. That go for me, Cedric , everybody in this business. You only as good as your last s**t. If you do good the last time I see you, I'm still good with you, but you gotta follow everything you do…"
-- Jeff Otto

because i was thinking the samething, almost. Epps is funny...sometimes, but he's not hilarious. The scene in "All about the Benjamins" when he was talking about dude's hairline was funny, but other than that, is ok. But then again, this could be a publicity stunt for him.

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and in my opinion, I think it's ballsy to say that in front of white reporters. It's his honest feelings, and to hide that from white folks would be the wrong way to go, I believe.

It's SARCASM. Dry wit.

Why would I give a cross-eyed colorado fuck what Mike Epps thinks? He's a horrible comedian/actor/jerkoff.

Oh, wait...

lol...lol...lol..freaking hilarious!!!

D*MN dawg- all I saw was some credits....what happened to the skits and the stand up?

The deleted scenes musta got deleted for real...

oh well ** pops in season 1, season 2, and Chappelles stand up dvd into the dvd changer ***

always wanted to do that.

oh my goodness. best response ever.

is he hating, absolutely

but be real, chapelles core audience is middle class negroes (such as myself) and white frat boys

i cant speak on where or how chapelle came up, but i have felt more than a lil uncomfrtable w/ how flippant he is w/ certain racial shit

i think his white friends/his asian wife/etc have kind of insulated him from that hardcore lower income bracket Black person

who never even heard of dude til he started tripping on rick james

deny that if you want but its true

point?

the rick james bit

and mainly talked abt him then, because everyone else was talking abt him

saying the lil catch phrase

is dude funny, hell yes.
but his popularity in our culture comes from a white audience

and he uses this sometimes in some not so amusing ways

ie: the niggar family skit.

white ppl saying nigger a lot. yeah, that shit was hella amusing

i mean, chris rock does it too, in the niggas v. blks argument


america: fuck yeah.

400,000 people spoke last week.
dont matter how he got in the barbershop.
that nigga is barbershop/blvd/and boooogie

dont try and trvialize his shit like only the white man loved him.

mofos knew chittlin chapelle from def jam and nutty professor "women be shoooopin" chapelle.

he layed under and then found his zone.

epps is hatin cause he KNOW he will NEVER see 50mil.

Preach!

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i think his moms was a professor (i know she had a ph.d) but i think it was the kanye thing where they had a nice job but had no money.

as for the white dude, i'll say that when i found out neal was white i was like "huh" but only because he said the reason he left the show was a white guy in the audience was laughing too hard at a sketch, so i thought to myself "but a white person probably co-wrote this and white people aren't supposed to laugh at it *too hard*?"

(though i get the idea that chapelle is a smart dude is capable of deciding what the right about of laughing is appropriate from a person not of the race that chapelle is making fun of)

as for epps, someone should tell him its not $50 million all at once. It's residues (right word?) from the DVD sales and I believe the payments are staggered, like any incentives thing.

i thought he was from dc personally


america: fuck yeah.

Came to DC in HS. Reps here, but has a farm in Ohio and lives there now.

i wish Epps hadn't said this, especially in the forum that he did... but he has a point. Chappelle IS a middle-class negro, and his audience is largely middle-clss negroes and white boys.

hell, Dave even said himself that part of the reason he went crazy was because he started feeling uncomfortable about what he was doing, the flippant manner in which he was treating racial issues and making it cool for white boys to run around screaming "they shoulda never gave you niggas money!"

>white boys to run around
>screaming "they shoulda never gave you niggas money!"

We know how rare "nigga" is in pop culture.

dave speaks from what he knows.

shit i'm a middle class negroe and i've seen enough crackheads to know that tyronne is funny as shit.

the guy grew up in dc in the 80's. that shit was like crack-heaven.

instead of doing what al of his friends were doing...he did comedy....at 14!

he said: @ 14, all my friends were selling drugs, i was trying to finger fuck chicks and i was doing standup...

he didnt have time to "go crazy" like epps. he was working...




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>hell, Dave even said himself that part of the reason he went
>crazy was because he started feeling uncomfortable about what
>he was doing, the flippant manner in which he was treating
>racial issues and making it cool for white boys to run around
>screaming "they shoulda never gave you niggas money!"

Uh-huh...uhh-HUH-huh...

...but let me be quiet before I get in trouble.

...his show was always funny, it was when white people cared that all the problems started.

He was funny before he was famous.
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hmmm... you must have been a big fan yourself!

except i ain't lying like the Jigga man.


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i went to see him at carnegie hall during game one of the sixers vs lakers (which in case ppl forgot....the sixers won in OT) and the audience was 75% or better white

dont get me wrong...i dont think chappelle is doing anything wrong per se

but when certain white folks (im obviously not gonna be as much of a hardliner as bin) but certain white folks who i KNOW dont even associate with black folks are walking around saying some of the chappelle quotes and sort of elbowing me like 'aint it great i can say this out loud now?'... it is just weird

again...i dont necessarily BLAME chappelle for anything

it is just sort of the phenomenon that has occurred

and i dont know if it wasnt the same situation with richard prior vinyl and eddie murphy delirious

go into any snow white owned and operated record store in caucasoid america and youll find stacks of richard prior in the comedy section

maybe its the price to be paid for opening up racial dialouge

i dunno

but it is weird when folks be busting off lines which are way out of character

put it like this, he didnt start getting his big big break until he basically gave everyone else an excuse to laugh @ blk ppl

maybe i'm not saying this right

and again: blk ppl laugh @ blk ppl all the time. everyone laughs @ everyone. but its like

again, i point @ the niggar family skit

i mean...i am 100% sure that in some office after that skit came on, some white boys linked up by the water cooler and one tried to explain the skit to the others.

that shit isnt cool, imo
maybe i'm in the minority, happened before

basically what i'm saying is: what exactly is funny abt white ppl saying nigger?

granted if you have to explain a joke it takes away from the amusement

but i dont understand it


america: fuck yeah.

...look in the audience.

Black people couldn't afford those tickets.

There was hardly a black middle class back then.

Who were Eddie and Richard and Bill Cosby performing for in those concert tours?

Yeah, they interviewed black folks in the beginning of Raw. Tell me if you can spot them in the crowd.
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vein?

if he was so beloved by white folks after half baked, why didnt either of the other cats blow up? they had some funny lil bits in that too

he became everyones darling because he was willing to say and put out there the things that white ppl found amusing abt blk ppl, opening the door (a lil further) for white folks to laugh @ blk ppl

do blk ppl laugh @ white ppl all the time, hell yeah
do we become giant huge megastars making fun of em, hell no.

otherwise damn near every act ever on comicview would have blown up


america: fuck yeah.

and by mildly, I mean a lot.

you think he's not a LOT funnier than any of the other guys in half baked?

other than the dude who went to jail, were any of the rest of em even in another movie?

he WAS the comedy in that movie, the other guy said "b" a lot, and the other guys was high, and there was snoop doog, and that was about it.


he blew up off a lot of funny ass skits on the show, not all of which even had to do with race



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that shit was hilarious

i've seen the other cats doing stand up, which they'll prolly be doing for a good long ass time

yeah, chapelle was the star of the movie. but if he was so beloved off that, why not do it again? where was half baked II?

cheech & chong made a fortune off stoner humor, he could have done the same, left the racial humor behind or for his stand up act, and made a mint still.

instead he went the route he went, and blew up
again, i got both seasons, i watched the shows when they aired, if dude came to town w/ his standup tonight, i'd get tickets to see him, and etc

that said, he plays a role in all this shit going on, one that he shouldnt be let off the hook for


america: fuck yeah.

"if you ever see me do a sequel to half baked, you'll know I've run out of money"

I take that to mena, hes committed to doing what he wants, not just what will make him a buck, cuz he KNOWS he coulda blown off of stoner humor alone.

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where is the humor or whatever?


america: fuck yeah.

Or have they just hitched their wagon onto black culture like they do...well all the time(ie hip-hop and the the term 'ghetto', jazz, yadayadayada).

when he started out, he wanted acceptance by his own

then he saw who holds the purse strings and started flipping his style up

then he got a taste of the good life and was like..why do i care what the niggas think? i'm abt to be RICH BITCH

& smashed the gas, straight ahead

now he looks back and thinks...'whoa..what have i done..?'

little late for all that


america: fuck yeah.

Sounds like a Jay-Z bio, except when the heat comes from his 'own' he can always say, "I gave you Reasonable Doubt" so be content and then he has the nerve to ... oops, my bad, off subject, I know, it is tired and will have to wait for another day.

Disregard my interruption, continue on ...

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Considering you haven't followed his career too closely.

As far back as I can remember (back to high school in the mid 90s), he's done similar racial humor. I remember he used to catch a lot of flack for his humor, especially when supposedly "conscious" Chris Rock was in favor but Chappelle stuck to his routine.

The first thing he co-wrote with Neil was "Half Baked" and that was primarily stoner humor, like someone else mentioned. I'm not certain what kind of input neil has but considering how the show mirrors most of Chappelle's standup, I think most of the ideas are Daves.

>Or have they just hitched their wagon onto black culture like
>they do...well all the time(ie hip-hop and the the term
>'ghetto', jazz, yadayadayada).

Well, it's not as if Dave Chapelle can say "Here's my skit... but DO NOT LIKE IT, WHITE PEOPLE!!!!"

There may be white writers on the show, but Dave is in charge, and I highly doubt that any of those same white writers would conceive of a skit like the Niggar family... not if they wanted to keep their jobs.

--Maurice

i mean, no matter who pitches the bit, it'll be seen by the same ppl.

i dont think chapelle cares who pitches what, if he thinks its funny and will cause some controversy, good for the show, good for him, lets film it and put it on

imo


america: fuck yeah.

"if its not cool for the white writers to say, why is it cool for him?"

But im gonna skip that dead horse!

Even the niggar family imho has social commentary to it. A big element of his humor involves turning the mirror inwards. The only unfortunate thing is, YT can easily take it and run with it themselves 'IE, the Black people vs Niggas' Chris Rock skit.

But, imho its comedy aimed solely at black folks, if yt gets then then oh well.

If those interviews are to be believed, I don't think Dave himself thought he would crossover so successfully.

Some of what he has put on the air has shocked me, but it never struck me as 'Its wrong, and done for cheap laughs'. And, to a certain extent, I don't think the Niggar family was supposed to be ROFL funny either...

no matter what white people were saying, the black people still got treated like shit.




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when everybody's just tsanding around laughing their ass off, and the brother milkman stopped laughin for a second and said "All this racism is Killin me inside!" Then started laughin again? That shit wasn't about just throwin the word nigger around for shits and giggles

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must have gone through. smiling, laughing, and he slips in that one line --- "aaahahaaaaaa this racism is KILLING me inside" *more laughter*.

that shit was mad subversive. but the problem with trying to do ironic, intelligent shit is that some people miss the irony, and you are left to deal with the idea of "how do i feel about people who ignore the commentary and take my shit at face value?"

that's really the crux.

shit. all these rappers running around "nigganigganigganigganigga" with absolutely no fucking irony or consciousness (self or otherwise).

and dave called a time out because he wanted to make extra SURE his shit was straight. i can't fault him for that.

**all these rappers running around "nigganigganigganigganigga" with absolutely no fucking irony or consciousness (self or otherwise).**

and yet we(and i mean we in the loosest sense of the word) STAY eatin' that shit up.

this post can end now.

the whole point of that skit was that the word had nothing to do with the racism or it's effects





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However, as a black person, it makes sense that the breadth of his life experiences come from his experiences a black man, so much of the racially-tinged comedy he does is going to come from that perspective. It's the same shit that Chris Rock used to do on his show imo.

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>basically what i'm saying is: what exactly is funny abt white
>ppl saying nigger?

For me, the comedy from the skit was the exact opposite, it was from Chappelle walking in on the family and calling THEM niggers.


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its like before you know it white folks might up and start being openly casual about sayin' nigga.. cause even though he's not on some coon shit, the "point" gets lost a lot of the times IMO

he goes way over the fuckin' top w/ the crackhead skits. that shit's never been funny


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>its like before you know it white folks might up and start
>being openly casual about sayin' nigga..

Um, that's now, dude.

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I don't think white folks started riding with Dave until the Rick James and Lil Jon skits but those were the second season. His first season DVD, at that point, was the highest selling DVD of a TV show (until this one) in history. That first season was anchored by the Tyrone Biggums and black racist skits that weren't as popular among white folks/the general public.

White cats have been watching that show from jump, since Season 1. They were on board way before "I'm Rick James, Bitch" was become the catchphrase du jour.

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just because mike is hating doesn't mean he isn't right about some stuff. there's a difference between RIDICULING stereotypes and REINFORCING them. and i think black people (and chappelle and his team) can appreciate that it's the former, but honestly, seeing some people's reactions, i don't know if i can say the same for non-black people. it's been more than one anti-reparations argument that i've heard include that chappelle skit, taking it like it was truth. and i think that's what dave's starting to get concerned about, is the people whose stereotypes are only being reinforced.

mikes got a movie comin out, daves tv show is coming back....someday

somebodys gonna get shot comin out of a tv station, then they're gonna hug and kiss w/ minister farrakhan, 10 people are gonna go see the honeymooners and daves gonna move a billion and a half dvd's



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period.


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Mike Epps ain't never and I'll say it again never get anywhere near as big as Dave Chappelle.

His hate is uncalled for, so the nigga ain't have to live with 8 siblings, and eat food out the alley, that mean he's not qualified to talk about being black now? The fuck outta here.

We all middle class niggas and we all got both seasons on DVD, so the fuck what the shit is funny, and if the nigga come back I'm buyin season 3.

They shoulda never gave them niggas money.

i mean, no offense, we're cool, we can build in person & all that
but, damn

the reason "niggas" care abt how blk ppl are portrayed on the chapelle show is (hello) its mostly WHITE PPL who watch the shit

so he's basically laughing @ "niggas" and getting paid @ the expense of "niggas", while those self same "niggas" prolly dont even watch his damn show, hell, prolly dont even have cable

chris rock too.

yes, he came up making jokes abt rick james, and prince and r. kelly and etc

all artists who have a big ass Black (or nigga or whatever euphemism you wanna use) core audience

chapelles core audience is like i said above (imo) white frat boys, young adults, hipsters etc...and of course...blk middle class ppl like us who never miss a chance to laugh @ the antics of "niggas"

is he free to pursue his comedic muse, hell yeah.
is he funny as shit? sometimes yeah.

but the man IS basically giving many non Black people a pass to say 'hey, look @ the ignorant shit these niggers are doing...hahahaha...lets all act like Lil Jon! YEAH! WHUT!'

could he do it, if lil jon wasnt so coonish? could he make r. kelly jokes if r. kelly didnt piss on a teenager and then tape it? NO

but basically epps (i think) is saying what role does he play in the whole thing, dont let chapelle shirk his own responsibility

the main issue w/ ALL blk adults is (maybe ALL adults period) that they want to do anything and everythign for material success and then when they've made it, want to deny their own responsibility in the further deterioration of Blk ppl.

ie: ying yang twins. i listen to the whisper song. i know its garbage. i know its not doing anything for Blk ppl, in fact, it could be considered to be actually negative towards Blk ppl. I think 1 day, when the ying yang twins are old and rich and 50+ they'll look back on the world they helped create and be like "WHAT DID WE DO!!!"

i think chapelle feels the same way or will. thats it & thats all.


america: fuck yeah.

them cats on "true life: I'm dead broke" had cable dog.

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do a lot of poor people have cable, yeah, i'm sure they do

but before (key word) the rick james skit...how many of em were watching chapelles show?

hell how many were watching anything other than BET/MTV?

he was not that well known in the blk community, outside of that small subsect of blk america who still prefer a blk face on their entertainment...

one could make a argument that he's basically saying or coming up w/ "white" bits...and making em more palatable because its coming from a blk face


america: fuck yeah.

what's "white" about the jokes hes doing now?

if your complaint is hes catering to a white audience, either you're completely incorrect, or you're failing to acknowledge thats all hes done pretty much since half baked at least.


but didn't richard pryor go through the same thing?

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i think if you want to make serious money in the entertainment field, you have to cater to a white audience, blk ppl dont buy shit. i understand that.

i think dudes material gives license to a certain kind of white person to over step.

@ the expense of us as a collective, entertainers make a fortune and then...once they are old, they look back and think wow, this is all jacked up. all the blk ppl who supported them coming up, who defended em, like ya'll are defending chapelle right now, look back and think damn this is all fucked up.

my thing is what role did he play in bringing it abt?
what role did eddie murphy play
what role did richard pryor play

you might argue that they dont owe anyone shit, that its every man for themselves, and i cant argue w/ the results, they are rich and could give a shit.

hwvr, the vast majority of blk ppl wont see that kind of success, yet have to hear or half ass grin everytime a person says 'i'm rick james, bitch.'

oh ha ha. oh ho ho. shits amusing. where does it end tho?
what happens when the niggar family skit, becomes the national catch phrase du jour?

'HELLO NIGGARS!' - random white boys on the subway, everyone laughs

shits not funny

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america: fuck yeah.

if he IS, then thats one thing, but if he happens to get one, you think he should either never speak ill of or give a negative impression of black folk again or hand back his 50 million dollar contract?


or should he do what he does, which is be funny observing and recreating things around him in hilarious ways?





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i think (key word: think) chapelle started off lumped in w/ the legions of other blk comics who are trying to make it.

he found a schtick. he got bigger & bigger.

was he looking for a white audience so to speak, i dunno. i would imagine he was just trying to make comedy his career, and feed himself from it.

now, as he got more and more successful, and realized that what worked w/ his audience...he started focusing on it more and more

next thing you know..he's laughing @ blk folks, along w/ the audience

'see! look w/ these silly niggers do! cmon, ya'll can laugh @ em! hell, call em niggers! what are they gonna do? they say it to ea. other all the time! say it...nigger...nigger...nigger'

how many times has his boy said nigger you think? neal, i mean.

maybe he never has. maybe neal is the most enlightened white boy this side of vex id. i dunno.

but the image given off IMO..is kinda wrong


america: fuck yeah.

>now, as he got more and more successful, and realized that
>what worked w/ his audience...he started focusing on it more
>and more
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>next thing you know..he's laughing @ blk folks, along w/ the
>audience
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>'see! look w/ these silly niggers do! cmon, ya'll can laugh @
>em! hell, call em niggers! what are they gonna do? they say it
>to ea. other all the time! say it...nigger...nigger...nigger'

Now, six of one equals one half-dozen of another. My question is, if Dave Chapelle is basically laughing at his own people, then what public service is Mike Epps doing by bugging his eyes out and acting like a scared slave in Next Friday?

--Maurice

if we're talking just pure laugh skills, chapelle wins in a landslide

but he's got a point imo


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>if we're talking just pure laugh skills, chapelle wins in a
>landslide
>
>but he's got a point imo

All we can talk about is laugh skills, really. If the same vitriol had come from Chapelle's mouth, I would've called bullshit on him, merely because I don't understand where either would come off claiming any moral high ground.

But it turns out Epps threw down the gauntlet, especially with the "white writers" comment. Puh-leese! At some point, and probably at most points along the production chain some white person approved the release and distribution of Epps's films. Did they write the "jokes"? Perhaps not, but they did release it to an audience after reviewing it. There was white involvement, so in the end his point holds no weight.

It's just Mike Epps trying to suddenly come off as some kind of folk hero, and looking all the more foolish for doing it.

--Maurice

I mean if you want to pretend you ain't see it, then thats one thing.


but you're reducing his entire career, to which bits made you uncomfortable when someone else repeated them.

if you watch his standup, and then what he does on his show, it's the same guy. I don't think he;'s sitting bakc saying "ohhh, white people will love me for this one"

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..Chappelle changed his show to appeal to white people as oppsed to just doing what he was doing.

I don't think that was the case. He was just doing what he was doing and it got popular.

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but I noticed he was calling it the "n-word" in season 2's commentary

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>oh ha ha. oh ho ho. shits amusing. where does it end tho?
>what happens when the niggar family skit, becomes the national
>catch phrase du jour?
>
>'HELLO NIGGARS!' - random white boys on the subway, everyone
>laughs

I think the fact that it's been more than a year and this HASN'T happened yet would seem to suggest that (the majority of) white people realize where the boundary is. IMO, if they were going to be that crass, you'd have already heard it by now. I went to school with a shit load of white people that watched Chappelle, the only catchphrases I heard from them were the non-racially-tinged ones. I understand you sometimes have a pessimistic view of white people, but trust, they ain't *that* stupid.


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>>'HELLO NIGGARS!' - random white boys on the subway, everyone
>>laughs
>
>I think the fact that it's been more than a year and this
>HASN'T happened yet would seem to suggest that (the majority
>of) white people realize where the boundary is. IMO, if they
>were going to be that crass, you'd have already heard it by
>now. I went to school with a shit load of white people that
>watched Chappelle, the only catchphrases I heard from them
>were the non-racially-tinged ones. I understand you sometimes
>have a pessimistic view of white people, but trust, they ain't
>*that* stupid.
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I can't justify my use of questionable words or an adaptation of black culture by saying that Dave Chappelle made it okay. The bottom line is that if a white person (or any person for that matter) is a line-stepper (or a habitual line-stepper, to quote Charlie Murphy), then they are subject to getting checked for it.

And that's more than fair. I've never understood a white person's justification for the using of the n-word in modern culture. I think its more ignorant to try and justify it than it is to simply use it.

I think Chappelle is pushing envelopes. Period. He's fucking with uncharted waters as far as commercial, nationally-syndicated T.V. is concerned.

And at the end of the day, we as an audience need to reflect off of that and all other media and know what's right and wrong. Honestly, (not to get too deep on this post), he's made me think alot about culture gaps and what's socially acceptable and all that. Through Chappelle's Show.

And I hate when I go to a house party and hear Nineteen Million "I'm Rick James, Bitch"es and Lil' John "What"s and shit... That shit was funny because of HOW Chappelle did it. It is not THOSE WORDS that make it funny. It is HOW those words were said. So for every dumb ass frat dude or cornball who says that shit, they basically show their ass as a loser to me. And I think that's right.

Sorry... *steps down from soapbox*


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you r talking out of both sides of your mouth...

you say the brother is wrong but you support him
if you're trying to provide need critism that would be one thing
but that's not really clear.

mike epps if i remember correctly while known by a black audience
doesn't really do uplifting parts-- I mean next friday is barely standing on one leg dog.

if we spend all out time worrying about what white folks say black folks wouldn't be able to do anything, people who are readily influenced by chappell are the same cats who would wasssup to miscellenous black folks they meet.

the same cats that say biaytch.

the same cats that do lil jon impressions

in this mtv era you really think white folsk weren't doing that before? come on maign you know better.

steve harvey and cedric the entertainer he is not....

but why everybody gotta come from the same perspective...
comedy/art needs more than one voice.


and how do u know dave wasn't hot in the streets before rick james?
you the spokesperson for the streets now dawg?

the majority of middle class blacks folks really ain't that far removed from the hood-- yes they may live in the burbs or the highlands but they gotta sista who has a drug problem, they gotta drive down 71st street watch cats serving, they moms still down in alabama....

and i would just like to end this by saying

fuck mike epps

he's a thirsty motherfucker
he needs to get himself some hateraid.

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The fact that at somepoint when you become famous or well known there is responsibility that comes with it. There is a large responsibility that comes with being "The Funniest Man Alive" type shit.

But that's what famous comedians have done forever. Make fun of our culture, white people, any and everything. This particular instance happens in a time where a varied audience has a chance to get access to it. Through the medium of cable a priviledged population of people have access to it. So yes some of the poorer people would not have access to it.

But my thing is this, he only in some instances talks about poor blacks. For the most part it's the famous blacks (Rick James, Wayne Brady, Prince, Lil Jon, R. Kelly, Dame Dash) and the stuff that people identify with them. Yes he has Tron, and Tyronne, but take away a couple of skits do you really feel he's completely talking about lowerclass ghetto "niggas".

By his flippant use of the nigga does it give white people license to use it more then they should no! Will they do it, if they think it's funny yes. Should he take responsibility for that YES.

My usage of the word nigga in the last response was for effect. You know I use it in real life, but not that much that was merely for effect.

They don't need a license to say it.

As for D.Chappelle, i think that he was given the opportunity to say things that he only talks about with his friends and the stuff he's gotten to say during his club stand-up days.

He may have some of the writers that he does to keep his stuff from getting him kicked off of the air completely. There's freedom in not being broadcast on television.





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Since when did having an opposing position = hate? ... can he live ... is he not entitled to his opinion or should all of us think the same, all the time? Are we above constructive criticism? Or is your issue with the audience that he addressed?

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It was more about the forum he chose to express it in. It's like why don't we keep our shit in house, u know.

That's really all I had a problem with Mike Epps can have any opinion he wants but when he starts making statements like that it just looks like we don't support our own.

...and see the positive influences he provided for the black community?
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that shit is hilarious and i sang it in my head as i typed it out

tf?

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Isn't Dave's style of comedy the same style being used by black comedians across the country? It sounds like Epps is getting at him just because Dave blew up. If he was a struggling comic, trying to get gigs but doing the same stuff, then would it be OK?

I know the area in Ohio where Dave's family lived and it's mad liberal and integrated. If he came from the hood would his material be funnier? Are folks laughing because there's a hint of truth or becase it's just funny?

And Dave is no more to blame for white kids using the word "nigger" than 99% of the MCs we listen to.

Peace,

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between saying "nigga" on a record and saying it on national TV (or basic cable, anyway)?

not saying either one is "right," btw...

I'm with you about not stating that either on is "right." I don't use the word and I step to white folks who use it around me.

But honestly, I don't see much of a difference. You can buy the latest 50 Cent album or turn on Dave Chappelle. The word is thrown around by black folks like it's going out of style. White people can easily hear black folks (not just entertainers) using it all the time.
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There is no difference imo. Nigga is nigga is nigga. Just because it's thrown around like confetti in hip hop music doesn't mean hearing it in that context is any less alarming than hearing it in a movie or on TV.

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...that bugs his eyes out each movie and has yet to talk in a complete sentence? Talk about the pot calling the kettle "sell-out". He's letting his press go to his head BIG time on this one. Suddenly he gets approached about a Pryor biopic and he's the voice for disadvantaged black youth? Please, spare me. You'll be back to doing shit Friday sequels before you know it talking about "I didn't feel like doing anything serious this time around."

Ok, Mr. Epps, how DID Dave Chapelle grow up since you seem to be such an unwavering authority on the subject? I don't understand where he suddenly started bringing class and upbringing into this. All this "I'm real" nonsense... no one questioned Epps's "realness," just his marginal talent. Dave went through some bad shit; it's not an opening to now knock him down while Epps has the spotlight.

And as for the white writers comment... that's the biggest laugh. Hey bright boy: What race was the person that greenlighted funding and distribution for your dreck? Uh... uh... he was a Caucasian, that's right. But, now it's okie doke to do your cooning (and come on, he does coon hardcore) because at least your people were writing it? Why don't you smell some of the shit you're shovelling? It's a fucking comedy series, and may I point out that you wouldn't have the brains nor the balls to pull off skits like the racial draft, the niggar family, the ethnic music skit... which, if you look beneath the immediate surface, aren't just an excuse for white folks to write racial slander, but are actually brilliant satire on race relations. Anything from Epps, assuming he could conceive a skit, would be all butt jokes and his "charming" mugging at the screen.

In closing: open mouth, insert foot. Oh, and I like the way Epps still "keeps it real" while talking to the press a.k.a. heaven forbid he use correct grammar even once.

--Maurice

I can't say that Epps was cooning in the Friday movie. But it's not like he was making some huge, progressive steps for black folks either.

Peace,

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>
> I can't say that Epps was cooning in the Friday movie. But
>it's not like he was making some huge, progressive steps for
>black folks either.

Well, he acts like a damn fool for the picture as far as I can tell, but now he's in a position to comment about another comedian's portrayal of black people? I doubt it.

--Maurice

these are his experiences ,no matter if his friend Neal helps out, it has him in it too. He lived in DC in the 80's how did he not see a crack head shit the mayor was free basing. Okay he may have not had it as hard as Mike epps but he's been paying dues in clubs since he was in his early teens. This is the music he listens(R.Kelly,Lil John, all the special guest) to these are his idols(Rick and Prince). He can not deny who he is and the best comedians talk about their environment. (do i have to go down the line)
If he did not talk about what he know i don't think he'd be as funny. I'm sure we'd get a kick out watching white people being made fun of but would we relate? hell naw! They got their own show blue collar tv and i can't stand that shit. That is written by white people(who obviously know white people) and it the most degrading thing i've seen about white people ,since the second election of bush, on tv.

...where mike talks about "already going through" (paraphrased) the crazy that chapelle is currently going through? i mean, i don't see this shit as hating at all.

that's like me say because i played basketball in high school and college and didn't make it to the NBA i know everyone else went through.
that's bullshit he is not in the same bracket as dave. He's a black comedian but there are thousands out there. He has a very young career and he's doing good but that don't mean the same pressure, talent or outcome. Their not of the same clothe , city or whatever else.

"The thing about it is, the material he was doing wasn't him."

unless he grew up w/ chappelle and walked w/ my man everyday, what is he speaking off of?



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he could be right.

it doesn't seem like a lot of people know about dave's upbringing.

but, as a point of reference, dave tells a joke about being "taken to the projects" by his limo driver during the killin' 'em softly standup. the joke is being told under the voice of "a visitor." (my opinion)

if dave, is indeed a visitor, his skin color alone is affording him the privilege of makin' that dough off a lifestyle he really(?) doesn't know about. i think that's the question/ point that is raised. would it be different if it wasn't mike epps that raised the topic?

truth be told, i don't really give a shit. the shows funny and i own both season's dvds. and, cousin day day is consistently funny to me, too.

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but once you get to the part where he starts talkin about what HE woulda did with the money, you realize. yeah, he's hatin.

why THE FUCK is he trying to define Chapelle's experience as a Black man?

who appointed Mike Muthafuggin Epps as the Vanguard of Negritude?

this is like a MC saying another one isn't reaal b/c he ain't talking about the ghetto like he does...

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>why THE FUCK is he trying to define Chapelle's experience as
>a Black man?
>
>who appointed Mike Muthafuggin Epps as the Vanguard of
>Negritude?
>
>this is like a MC saying another one isn't reaal b/c he ain't
>talking about the ghetto like he does...
>
>

EXACTLY.

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cause we were broke and illegitimate argument. fuck mike epps. and white folks watch comic view. that concerns me a whole lot more than d.c.

dude needs to shut the hell up
and isnt Dave from DC
like when DC was the crack capital?
please!

Like you are less black if you come from a drugless, no welfare, etc environment.

Ironically, he thinks he's sounding like he's down for the cause when he's only echoing the general white definition of what black is.

like this fool is trying to say he ain't black enough. that ain't the controversial part to folx in here.

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...I was assuming he was trying to put into context his view that Dave Chappelle isn't from the hood, but he profits from making fun of situations that go on in the hood. I don't know how he figures he can pass judgement like that on a cat he barely knows, but to each his own...

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Other than the Tyrone the crackhead and the reparations sketch from season 1, what stuff does he do on the show that makes fun of poor Black people?

Shaun G.

That last sentence was supposed to be about Mike Epps, not Dave Chappelle. In other words, Mike Epps shouldn't feel so comfortable in judging the past of someone he knows jack shit about.

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first sentence of this post almost made me not read it...
"I think epps really should shut his mouth cause he don't really know Chappelle"

do you??...sound like u kiss him for breakfast and hug him for lunch or somethin...but oh well..

*shrugs shoulders*

i kept readin...


if what Epps is sayin IS true...and dave got white writers to convey this "blackness" to us...
then i can see what he's sayin...many folk don't like the *n* word...to know that white writers could be responsible for the word being used so many times in a Dave Chapelle show...would offend me...
sorta like cooning...
"dance nigga nigga dance" typa steez

but i really doubt thas the case

dave got his own flava whether it's written or not...

so

it doesn't really matter...


i can't say who was "crazier"...a valid point was made...by epps...
growning up in conditions like his...does fuck with u...

and also..

if a factor...brought ON such "different" behavior (mental disturbance)...it would make sense to get rid of it...or regulate it's influence in your life...
be it money...power...fame..
if u can't take it
minimize the use...or hell...share it...

so i'm with epps on that...




i dunno....

i'm just not so Chappelle sensitive....

i like him...no doubt

but some folk act like thas yawl Peeple...


other folk are entitled to their opinion....

1) Yes, there is a problem if all of his writers are white and they're writing nigger this and nigger that. I'm with you on that.

2) I think the part that people are taking issue with (myself included) is with Epps saying Chappelle is less black because he didn't grow up in poverty, on welfare or on drugs as if black people can't be and grow up in affluent households. Black people can live in Beverly Hills or the illest ghetto. They are still black people.

i didn't hear that at all


i just heard a difference in backgrounds mentioned

i think the assumption of that conclusion (Dave is less black) was made by the reader

i didn't get a superior tone at all


just different


i AM crazy cuz this is where i came from

he went crazy cuzza where he didn't come from


who's blacker?

i ain't read that...


but perception is what it is....

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i mos def see mike's point about making fun of black poverty when you have NOT experienced black poverty -- and using white writers to do it. and i co-sign the point that $50 million wouldn't make me go crazy, cuz the shit i seen and experienced as a kid already made me crazy.

it just sounds like a lot of ppl in here are getting hyperdefensive about dave chappelle, like that's they momma's brother or something.

so how you gon he say he don't?


the question I was just answering, was whether epps attempted to put chappelle down, which I think he did.



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how do you feed yourself if your life consists of following dave chapelle?



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i think everyone is so Chappelle sensitive cause he is a OKP....pa please....i love all the same
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suckin this dude's dick like he done payed ya light bill...

like i said

i like chappelle....laff errtime i hear him

but if right is right

and wrong is wrong...

it is what it is....


i don't see epps makin a comparision...

just tellin how the business is...and what it takes to TAKE it...

whas wrong with that...


question...


If Epps said this about Wayne Brady...
yawl'a been raisin the black fist in support...


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seasons............. with all the jokes about white people and relationship problems. That's all you would hear.... eff dat.

you grouping black writers is as dumb as anything else dumb said in this post


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especially black comedian writers.... cuz most black comedians suck..... they don't make me laugh anymore.... not like your Eddie and Richard of the past...... they're wack these days.

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>seasons............. with all the jokes about white people
>and relationship problems. That's all you would hear.... eff
>dat.


um, so it's funnier because all of the jokes are about niggers?

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Do you even watch the show?

If this thread is still around after work, ill post up all the sketches from the first few episodes and break it down.

In the first episode there's just one, 'The Niggars' family, filled with skits about Samuel L Jackson, Slow motion blowing up toilets, etc.. And whole episodes pass that have nothing to do with it, some even pass where even the racial jokes are to a minumum.

in order to prove a point


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at least I ain't heard none.

The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

same jokes from the different black comedians..........same subject matter everytime.....

but I've never heard a white person (as many white comedians that I have heard) call anybody a nigger.

it is.

You're talking about the ComicViewish comedians. Those folx do seem to tell the same tired ass jokes all the time.

That's why I stopped watching that BET comedy show. It used to hella funny, now it's the same jokes different comedians. Really bunk.

You chill with em for a lil while and give off the impression that you don't care if they tell those kinda jokes and they'll start spillin em out, it's never failed.

The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

picky...... cats is breaking stuff down, knowing good and well they was laughing HARD at the Rick James piece.

"cause a Black girl woulda been like *smacks lips* 'Shoot, I ain't gon be getting on no Greyhound running away to hot azz Arizona. I'm finna go over Shonquita's house and we finna go to Atlantic City!'"

*cues laugh track*

do you even like black people

I just think we complain about the stupidest stuff sometimes.... Nobody was complaining during Half Baked..... it's only after dude got 2 DVDs and a hit series when cats started complaining.

i would have to smack you so hard you would think your names is wayans

that matter that made me laugh hard...... and there's a couple of underground brothas as well (that black folks probably NEVER heard of) that are just as funny....

only real funny cats in black comedy right now are Dave, T-RExx, Cedric and Bernie and a couple of underground (at least underground to blacks)...... everybody else, I've been hearing lately are garbage.

I can only think of one that made an app that didn't fuckin loock up on me in the last year.


se.....thats dumb too.


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can only go 3 or 4.

now, I don't know about Cosby Show or Family Matters (did they have black writers?)

I don't know about Martin either, which was hilarious (how long did it go?)

Heck, the SIMPSONS, a frickin cartoon lasts longer than most black written sitcoms....... and it's funnier than a lot of them THESE DAYS.

I don't know maybe I'm out of the loop.... maybe my vision is tunneled.... educate me, but black shows don't seem to be as funny anymore.... seems that folks ain't thinking before they release these shows..... okay, a lot of the white shows these days ain't funny either....... I'll give you that....

But I'm still waiting on a black written show that will outrun Cosby Show (which y'al will argue.... "OOOOH IT'S ABOUT AN UPPER MIDDLE CLASS FAMILY, IT'S UNREALISTIC"... eff dat.. black folks like that exist by the way, but that's another post)

But, let me shut up before this goes misread.

you ALWAYS say the white mans ice is cooler

"why aren't there any black people at rock concerts and skate shows"

"why can't I date a black woman"

"why, why why"

and now you're gonna offer up seinfelds longevity as proof thayt black writers suck?

that doesn't even make sense, unless you're approaching it from the beginning, believing that black people aren't capable of doing the same thing.

you have to be prejudiced to follow that logic, because its not logical, it's not based in fact, and if you're comparing living sinlge, why not compare it to a show that came on AFTER, was NOT as funny, and stayed on longer, "friends".

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I still don't see how anybody can complain about Chapelle not have having black writers .... wait didn't Paul Mooney write some of his stuff?

Dude, is funny..... and if black folks is complaining about him having white writers, then why they laughin'?

as long as he has control over who he hires, if he thinks they're funny, and can make his product funnier, he shoud hire them. and whatever he wants to do with them to make sure their writing is coming out in his vision, then he should do that.



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...a lot of the material sounds wild Mooneyish.

(and Mooney is one of the G.O.A.T.s though he comes off the wrong way on Dave's Show...)

.

check your history

and yes, I forgot to mention people BEFORE Ricahrd's time......

but as of today.... we slippin'

say what you want about the wayans they made in living color which set it off for alot of people to do edgy comedy on National TV


Robert Townsend i wont even get into


Chris Rock Employs a gang of black Writers in cluding wanda sykes and lance crouthers (Pootie Tang)

and thats just mainstream people right there and you cant say they havent produced great comedey

man just how could you talk out your ass like that i cant belive you really have such a backward mentality when it comes to black peoples contributions to comedy

there aren't any good black writers (comedy writers)..... but for the most part eeeeh.

not just because I wanna sleep with you). But, I have to say that the resources available to black shows have historically been unequal to those allocated for white shows. So, even if the writing had been good, the product doesn't see the light of day.

If a tree (great black writer) falls in the forest (writes but no one sees the work), does it really fall (exist)?

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Dave is From DC is he not?

is he not from the hood anybody know him herd about him whatever he got any history

Cause I think Mike talking shit

and all black people in DC do NOT live in the hood, check your facts.

and I lived there myself
DC WAS CRACK CITY
now in 7 years?
you prolly wont be there anymore
anyways, miss me with that

chilled with folks who live on the edge of rock creek park?

please, baby, i've been all up in and around DC, black girls who went to cathedral, alla dat, and as i said, all of DC is NOT crack city. you wanna perpetuate that myth, fine. but the shit's a myth.

he always says growing up he lived two lives and at one point went to the low income schools then moved to OH and went to a majorly white more middle class school

that's what he says at least

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I ALWAYS said the Chappelle show was borderline coonery!

The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

in fact what has Mike Epps been in?
lol

...you can't compare the content of those movies to his show. White folx watch both but no one took it to the level that Chappelle did plain and simple. The reason why he is prized so much is because of the shock value of the show. Certain things you just don't say and do in front of white folx and he took it there. Especially in his second season. So ya'll can hate on Epps for saying what he said in front of those white journalists, but what would the difference of been if they were black? Would you guys still have your panties in a bunch then? They asked him a question,..he responded accordingly as HE saw fit not holding anything back. Deal with it!

Look why the fuck should we have to pussy foot around white people. Fuck it. There is a story by Langston Hughes you need to read about this group of black people who are eating dinner with some light skinned black people who later reveal that they are white and the entire convo changes...but then when they all go home the light skinned people say they were joking about being white.


The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

...as you do black people? Cause if you say yes then you probably are lying your ass off! No one interacts with two people the same way..EVER! That's part of life and how we live...thus interacting with people accordingly. It's not a matter of being fake,..it's just you HAVE to be able to distinguish your interactions with individuals. So the referenced example you made is somewhat w/o merit based on the topic at hand in my opinion.
Fact of the matter is that they BOTH are going to continue to make goobs of money regardless what you, I, or ANYONE else has to say. He spoke his mind based upon what was asked of him. Simple as that, and I respect him for it.

hypocrit

The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

that his ass is painfully un funny. Mike Epps is like the Anti-Christ of Humor.

The white man is very clever…We were amused at his foolishness and allowed him to stay. Now he has won our brothers and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart-Obierika

and he been funny for a minute, too.

funny is all that matters to me.

mike got a right to say what he feels, doe.

i just disagree with it.

the whole 'portraying us negatively' thing
is played, yo. its been around since
langston and zora - you'd think we'd be
over it by now.

he ain't flip all of a sudden, that was his shit


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and the d.c. audience - filled with black
folks incidentally - was rolling.

ultimately, this might be another example
of us being EMBARRASED about white folks
see us cutting the fool.

fuck that. i'ma cut the fool and let the
chips fall. i could be paul robeson out
this camp, and whtie folks will still
clown.

so i'ma do me.
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was when I walked into the room of a couple white cats down the hall from me in college while they were watching it.



it was at the "hey, baby (not woman, baby as in toddler), what you doin on the corner? "

"I'm sellin crack nigga, I got kids to feed"

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Can a comedian just be a comedian without being a "black comedian?"
You know the type that's on some BET Comic view shit.
Epps is funny but to Hollywood he is a "black comedian" who only does "black movies" and "black jokes"..........He appeals to a smaller demographic. Chappelle stays true to himself.
I'm sick and tired of black folks bringing each other down because we aren't all telling jokes about government chesse and getting whipped with extention cords. I thought variety was what made us such a unique people.

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...every since this shit happened. Just yesterday I was listening to the Tom Joyner Morning Show and they were having a fucking round table discussion on their cruise about Chappelle with a bunch of comics.

DL Hughley and J. Anthony Brown were letting Dave have it. The only person who was showing any compassion was Sommore. The funny thing is NONE of these comics have had the scrutiny and success that Dave got last season. The only one close to it is Hughley but the Kings Of Comedy was strictly a Black thing and he had to share the spotlight with 3 other comics. Dave is in that rarefied air with cats like Murphy, Prior and Rock, so they are the only ones who can really be critical about Dave at this point.

It almost sounds like hating for these cats to be jumping on Dave. I get the feeling these comics are mad at Dave for making that money and then potentially fucking it up, which can potentially fuck it up for them. But none of those comics are going to make money like that anyway.

And the issue about Dave having white writers is such bullshit. It's so petty. Neal Brennen is not his only writing partner and I'm sure there are some other Black writers on that show. So all we know for sure is that there's one white dude that created and wrote that show. Who wrote Good Times, In Living Color, The Bernie Mac Show, Martin, etc? I'm sure some white writers were used on all of those staffs. It's a slippery slope when a fellow Black entertainer starts with that Blacker Than Thou shit.

which takes a chunk out of the white writers argument. and we know that Darnell, Charlie and Paul Mooney contribute to writing tasks as well.

in the commentary they said that a lot of sketches are just general ideas of funny situations, then they form the dialoge as they go.


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...comedy has indirectly made it ok for white ppl to repeat racist punchlines are reading far too into the comedy. Because the way I view it, the skits that seem targeted to blacks really makes white people's ignorance and stereotypes about us hilarious as well. That's all he does, trumps up the sterotypes and ignorant myths about us and makes us laugh at how stupid and ridiculous they really are.

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if thats the case, having some jews are the superstars of comical writing

that nigga ain't e'en funny.. when he was on 106.. i sware that fool was on some of them "lil pills" he was talkin bout.. he hope he don't eff the Pryor story up

to clown black folks.

white folks that do that have NEVER needed
an exscuse.

when black folks couldn't even GO on tv,
could barely be SEEN in public, white folks
PAINTED THEMSELVES BLACK just to clown us.

if every black person on earth vanished in a
puff of smoke, white folks would still
continue to clown us in abstentia.

clowning black folks is a way of life for
some white people.

and there is no GOOD ENOUGH WAY for us
to portray ourselves or act that will
ever change that.

therefore, the only real way i can
judge black artists is on how well
they have mastered their art.

thus DEATH CERTIFICATE is live, while PARIS is junk.

LUDACRIS is live, YING YANG is junk.

CHAPELLE is dope, ARNEZ J is garbage.

not becuase of the subject matter, but
because of the mastery of the art they
practice.

how can anybody try to dictate to an artist
that has mastered his craft how to practice it?
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they decided to make the best strip club music they could make, and imo, they have succeeded repeatedly.

but I agree with you, in that, I don't believe in judging what a black person is doing off of how white people are responding to it.

cuz they gon do what they gon do. they never needed us and don't, won't and wouldn't, to try and see negative in black people.

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>>cuz they gon do what they gon do. <<

racism is ultimately based on a lie.

i WILLFUL lie that people tell themselves.

there are black people that dispute
every stereotype there ever was,
half the time living right next
to white folks.

it does not stop some of them
from believing what they want to.

i mean, its mugs that belive the
HOLOCAUSE WAS A JOKE. and that shit
was ON FILM.

so yeah....as long as a mug is fly
at what they do, i'm not gonna
ostracize them for doing it. i might
not FINANCIALLY support it, but on the
flip, i'm not gonna support taking away
their right to do it, either.

i mean, yeah, on some level chappelle
prolly was shocked at what his
comedy unleashed. and maybe even
sickened that white people took
the subversive things he was
trynna say and used against
black folks. that's the risk you
run whenever you court the
mainstream in america.

i don't blame him, doe. every time
i saw his show, his racial stuff
seemed mostly geared toward making
intelligent points about race.

so yeah...i'm not mad at him.
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ying yang is crunk junk

>to clown black folks.
>
>white folks that do that have NEVER needed
>an exscuse.
>
>when black folks couldn't even GO on tv,
>could barely be SEEN in public, white folks
>PAINTED THEMSELVES BLACK just to clown us.
>
>if every black person on earth vanished in a
>puff of smoke, white folks would still
>continue to clown us in abstentia.
>
>clowning black folks is a way of life for
>some white people.
>
>and there is no GOOD ENOUGH WAY for us
>to portray ourselves or act that will
>ever change that.

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He got the show because he was the recognizable black face of comedy that wasn't yet a superstar

The first episode of Season 1, after the Clayton Bigsby skit i told myself the people at comedy central wouldnt let this go on forever.

but it was a success

season 2 was just ridiculous between rick james, prince, puffy, wayne brady and lil jon. he blew up in a major way.

he gets exposure for progressive artists, but at the same time he signed the dotted line, it's jigaboo time.

the idea im getting is he really wanted to go overboard for season 3 and comedy central executives got worried and he wasnt trying to play it safe.

the neverending struggle between creative control and selling your art wages on

I mean does anybody remember years ago when he was still strugling to get his pilots picked up he had that one comedy about a runaway slave and his hi jinks with his white slave master


the NAACP whent crazy but here Dave is years later not blacklisted and getting rich (bitch)

I mean dude has always been on teh edge and he's gonna do stuf people dopnt like but its comedy and that sthe history of comedy black white or otherwise


and if you wanna get technical i dont think Mike Epps has done anything Blak people need to be proud about

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the black experience?

I come from suburban Decatur, GA...was never poor...both parents raised me. But, I'm still just as black as Pookie.

I hear Epps. But, I'm disappointed because I don't think his comments were necessary. It's mad hateration.

I admire both Epps and Dave. There's room for both. Now, if comedy was a pageant for 'MR. HOOD AMERICA' Epps would win hands down. But, it isn't. So shut the hell up.

we don't count.

his critique seems to be:

'don't be from the suburbs and make your fortune
clowning hood black folks and making us all look
shiftless and trifling. especially when you do it
to court white folks, who will only turn around
and cosby us with it.'

which could be a valid critique, but if dave spent
ANY time in d.c. in the eighties, he is very familliar
with the hood, yo. d.c. was NOT A GAME then.

plus, most of the comedy i've seen him do about
the hood seemed informed enough and sympathetic
enough for me to give me a pass.

dave is not on that cosby at all.
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>his critique seems to be:
>
>'don't be from the suburbs and make your fortune
>clowning hood black folks and making us all look
>shiftless and trifling. especially when you do it
>to court white folks, who will only turn around
>and cosby us with it.'

1st of all, the only skit I remember that clowns hood blacks is the Tyrone Biggums stuff. Please enlighten me? *thinks a little harder* maybe the parody that he did on 'Real World'...other than that his comedy runs the full spectrum of black experience comedy. And if I remember correctly, he is black.

>plus, most of the comedy i've seen him do about
>the hood seemed informed enough and sympathetic
>enough for me to give me a pass.

Ya don't have to grow up on balogna sandwiches to understand the hood experience.

>dave is not on that cosby at all.
Exactly.

experience and talk about how you haven't
been around the hood at all - which is fine.

but then flip it back and say you can still
understand the hood? how?

and that you have the right - potentially -
to clown it?

i don't see that. to me, that's opportunism.
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But so many of us try to make it so. It's a shit load of suburban middle class black ppl, and many of them actually feel quilty about being raised that way. Fuck that, represent that shit and embrace it, it's apart of you.


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Aren't we discriminated against enough without doing it to each other.

if subruban folks got complexes about
being surburban, that's on them.

to me, that's seperate from the very
valid critique that you need to have
lived a certain experience to be able
to clown it/critique it/make boatloads
of money off of it.
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well, fuck Mike Epps and fuck everybody else buying into that bullshit about the hood-dwelling Black folks being the primary arbiters of what it is to be Black and who's Black enough and blah blah blah.

Dave's show and his routines are HIS perspective and his perspective carries just as much weight as Mike Epps and anyone else who grew up "hard". damn.

the specific thing he addresses is that dave is making fun of black people in the hood, and black poverty, and that dave hasn't experienced the hood, or black poverty, so there's not a space from which he can authentically make fun of it -- especially when he uses white writers to do it.

it seems to me like a LOT of people are taking his comments personally and not actually reading what was written.

1)Would you say his comedy doesn't ring truewhen it comes to those topics

i'm, like, that one person who finds his comedy to be forced, tedious, and frankly, uncomfortable at times. i respect his hustle, and i respect that many, many people find him to be hilarious. and i have laughed at some of his skits. but eh.

>i'm, like, that one person who finds his comedy to be forced,
>tedious, and frankly, uncomfortable at times.

it's supposed to be uncomfortable. in part it's intended to make you question your own opinions on the topics he brings up and examine how you came to those opinions.

i just generally don't find some of his stuff to be funny. ppl hyped his show up like it was the second coming, and when i finally saw it, well, it wasn't. i acknowledge that that's far and away a minority opinion.

>it seems to me like a LOT of people are taking his comments
>personally and not actually reading what was written.

stop playing.

the arguments he made reference talk that's been going on in our community since before we were born. stop being brand new.

and yeah, i took it personal.

because nowhere does it say that dave isn't Black enough. that's your own hang-up that you're reading into what he said, not what he actually said.

>because nowhere does it say that dave isn't Black enough.
>that's your own hang-up that you're reading into what he said,
>not what he actually said.

and b/c i paid attention in English class back in high school i understand about ***SUB TEXT***.

you might want to take a refresher course.

to know that you can take whatever you want to out of a text, and often what you take out of it has more to do with your own prejudices, hang-ups, fears, and perspective than it does with what the writer or speaker originally said or wrote.

spare me.

What else can he be hinting at here?

"The thing about it is, the material he was doing wasn't him. He don't come from no crackheads on the streets and s**t. You can't talk about black people like that and you don't even represent that. You don't come into the community and kick it with black kids. "

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he's sayin dave blew up off somethin that wasn't "him"

i.e. the crackhead jokes, the hood, gangbangin, charlies hollywood stories, rick james stories

hell the funniest part(s) of the season two DVD has SHIT to do with dave, its all about charlie and rick.

but you take his potential lack of personal experience with the things he jokes about, and add to it the fact that he employs white writers to write jokes on these subjects, and i think it might be possible that dayday has a point.

when talking about gangbanging, it wouldn't be funny.

that charlie murphy has a hood edge to him balances the show more

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>but you take his potential lack of personal experience with
>the things he jokes about, and add to it the fact that he
>employs white writers to write jokes on these subjects, and i
>think it might be possible that dayday has a point.

Dayday's point is weak and steeped in hate. Dayday, as a comedian, should know that what matters most is if the material is funny or not. and in Dave's case the material IS funny.

that the other writers on the show are ultimately there to help Dave flesh out HIS ideas.

i mean if you watch the audio commentary for the deleted scenes, you can see a lot of the shit is pretty much freestyle comedy.

like dave and neil would throw around a topic, and just build from there.
definately a hip-hop asthetic to comedy...which is why i think soo many people fell in love with it.
the sort of off-the-cuff shit is usually the funniest shit.
i mean most of the deleted scenes are better than the actual skits that made it too air.

is mike epps fronting when he plays a black dude thuggin it in the suburbs like he did in next friday?
i mean they're actors...is mike epps mad when denzel does "a midsummer night's dream"?

the comment about the drugs and the fame can HAPPEN to anyone.
addiction isnt limited to those that grew up "hard".

but yea, like the fact that a show like this is on basic cable made it that much more of a hit and increased the appeal that much more.
i dont like the way dave portrays black women in a lot of his skits...
but you gotta give the people what they want.
it's entertainment.

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If you were fortunate to watch Def Comedy Jam, then you have seen Dave Chappelle's comedy act because he was on there a few times. And, that was BEFORE Half Baked came out. Half Baked made him famous with the college crowd.

As for Chappelle's comedy, a lot of it is satire. But, if you aren't able to understand that, you may miss that aspect. He's a talented man and I agree that he pushes the envelope a little too far, he is opening dialogue. He puts the comedy out there, and if you don't want white or black people to misconstrue what he is saying, then speak up when you hear them talking about it at the water cooler or on the street. Don't let that ish go.

lol.

I don't think he pushes the envelope too far. But, I agree with everything else, especially that it is mostly satire.

exactly. his skits are mostly satire, for instance the niggar skit. if u think about it he was really making fun of how ignorant white peopele were.


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"if you don't want white or black people to misconstrue what he is saying, then speak up when you hear them talking about it at the water cooler or on the street. Don't let that ish go."

I agree. Get ready for those funny stares from your blk friends and a lot of "DUDE, WHY ARE YOU SO SENSITIVE?" from the white ones. But don't let it go--even if you have to be the armchair activist no one wants around.

but he got a phat ass contract and lost it for a bit so some of these never-will-be-anything comedians think its okay to take shots.

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I can't recall one funny thing he's ever said.

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really this show is dave.

neal is just the ear of reason...trims the fat (trust me i seen some skits that i was worried about and neal is the non ass kisser cat that says "lets lose this joke and cut to this part")

so mike is painting the wrong picture like there is a saturday night live staff of 15 white writers and dave.

matter of fact....

the lack of the writing staff is the EXACT reason why chapelle walked away...because at the end of the day...it is IMPOSSIBLE to be cutting edge and make "thriller" moments EVERYTIME out.

and i know of NO SHOW--completely writen by ONE MAN!!!!!

this is that show....but chapelle is a rare genius.

night after night after night season 2 on a whim this mofo would be in the village at 1am saying "wait imma try a bit out at boston comedy club, or some other spot" like most of us excuse ourselves to go to the bathroom at the dinner table.---he was truly a def jux head of comedy...

i mean he could do freestyle shows like NOONE i seen.

one weekend i watched him to 2 3hour sets 3 days in a row with NO material. just did shit by talking to audience and telling them to name any subject and he will make it funny.

and he killed show after show after show.


you know that abyss that charlie speaks of on disc 3? that is how this mofo treated his craft....always thinking....always crafting.


so---there is no staff, and as far as Dave not being "one of us" or having the black experience....i dunno...last i checked Washington D.C. was black as shit.

but this goes to show you the dangers of when genius operates alone without alot of help

see prince (who does all by himself)
see stevie (same thing)


sometimes a danger comes when you take on all the responsibilty on your own. im just glad he knew to take time off and "restart" (c) outkast

but neal--yes he is co-writer and i was taken aback when he would ask me if i finished the mix on the "nigger" family.---but (and this aint the "he is GOOD white peoples" (c) X Movie quote. but I can't recall the last time a comedy vehicle provoked this much conversation or reaction.

i mean he my peeps and shit......but epps shoulda just shut the fuck up and had a coke and a smile

damn. you made me want a coke.

(in regards to you being taken aback by neal saying "nigger"..at least that is how i interpreted what you wrote)

or at least the point of some people in the thread, which is that even on a simple level, dave makes it okay or at least easier for white folks to think its okay to say "nigger".

did you correct him on it?

The skit was called "The Niggar Family." Neil just said the name of skit. I would be a little stunned but it's not like he was dropping the word loosely.

or a skit on the chapelle show. if they are quoting people and repeating the n word and don't know any better, they've probably been doing it all their life. quoting rap lyrics or movies.

>i mean he could do freestyle shows like NOONE i seen.
>
>one weekend i watched him to 2 3hour sets 3 days in a row with
>NO material. just did shit by talking to audience and telling
>them to name any subject and he will make it funny.
>
>and he killed show after show after show.

12 years ago. In Philadelphia.

My ex-husband was the manager/booker at the Funny Bone Comedy Club on South Street. He book Dave to do a weekend there. So the opener is on and the 3 of us are chillin in the back watchin..Dave is smoking hella weed. When Dave gets up there, he just does 2+ hours of mostly improv shit..just playing off the audience AND he was high as fuck. I was blown away and a fan for life that night. He did the other two shows the same way that weekend

hung with a LOT up until his death, from stuff i've read. (dude was in DC Cab). eddie murphy an nem looked up to this cat who was reportedly soooooooo talented. but he was also cracked the fuck out.

dave didn't just hi/bye that mfer. he actually hung out with dude. even discounting the fact that he spent mad formative time in DC.

****** and lets be real, i know DC, and i know uppper northwest -- the general md/baltimore corridor suburban experience is PLENTY hood enough to talk about the shit that dave talk about in his sketches and stand up. if you work in one of the big corporate buildings downtown in DC (my wife worked on K St. for a while) you are stepping over and dodgeing the homeless and crack addicts, and hoes (13th St. after dark, holla). fuck. go live in mt. rainier or riverdale, or hyattsville or landover or forrestville or any of them little towns outside dc and you seen some shit. drive through east b-more and cats is swaying on the corners off that shit. thing is, most of us walk by or drive by that shit. dave studies it.

that's why mike epps comments don't make sense. you gotta be from the hood to know about crackheads? what if you just go chill w/ crackheads?

in the time magazine article dave is quoting charlie barnett -- way before any of this are you black enough to tell crack jokes shit.

plus he hired paul mooney and is responsible for him getting his own show (through his success on chappelle). this cat is a giant of black comedic writing, and was one of the main dudes behind Richard and a lot more people. ain't no neal brennan show coming out. at least not first.

dag.

I wouldn't call him a hater, but he definitely took the bait....

Clearly, Epps has been watching Chappelle more than just a little bit. His INDEPTH analysis and commentary on Chappelle's background and success, etc., surely show he's been putting a lot of thought and energy into thinking about someone who probably doesn't even know who he exists or care that he does. But we've all done that at some point.


Oh well....



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This is a joke right?
Cuz if so, he's HILARIOUS.

Mike Epps implies that the immense pressure of post-Next Friday fame caused him to have a breakdown of some sort!

Next!
Friday!

fame!

Mike!
Epps!

what?!

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He should have pulled the go-missing stunt Chappelle pulled and ish and then it possibly would have been news. And I highly doubt that it would have been news. Next Friday was HOW LONG AGO?

I still say he talked too much. I'm sick of black folks downtalking other black folks for their 0.5 seconds of shine. Shit's old. He needs to focus on this Honeymooners movie and let it alone already.

If he cares about it so much, tell it to Chappelle.


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Epps is talking real shit right about now.

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dave do seem like a white bol
i don't know em personally
but nigga is married to a chinese bitch
and dress/talk "white"

niggas in here can hate on mike epps, who is corny, all they want
but nigga made some points
neal is the force behind the show
the shit is for white ppl imo
and is general coonery imo
imo dave chappelle takes what richard pryor did and white washes that shit
so its more like "here laugh at what we do, this that funny niggadom"
imo his shit is more laugh AT us, not WITH us
richard pryor basically was doing the same shit, but it was more like "mugfucker laugh wit me bout this nigga shit"
dave shit is more blatant and illustrates it so that the white audience is just that, an audience laughing at us.

funny thing is
5 yrs ago if dave would have said this about martin or somebody
every body would have been saying dave needs to stfu and stop hating
so i wouldnt be so quick to say mike epps will never get 50 mil
hell dave might not even get 50 mil unless he bring his ass back
plus ppl need to stop acting like the gap in talent is so big between the two
tho i agree dave is more funny
a few yrs ago he was "a nigga that was funny in that white bol movie"
so chill regular like he richard pryor or eddie or something
cause realistically the chapelle show was getting kinda corny when 40 yr old white bitchs was coming to work talkin bout it

go chapelle for getting that deal but i can't say that if i looked at his resume 5 years ago...hell, even a few months before the start of season 1 of the show...that i would think he would eventually be seeing all that cash.

>dave do seem like a white bol
>i don't know em personally

How does he seem white? Didn't you have a post saying how niggas on the block look at you funny when they see you in a suit? I guess that suit takes away some blackness points. You do computer programming and got an education, right? Nigga what! Real niggas in the hood don't do that ock! I bet you were the only nigga in your programming classes weren't you? That's 'cuz you on some "white bol" shit. I assume you use proper English at work. Damn you're SEEMING whiter by the second.

>but nigga is married to a chinese bitch
>and dress/talk "white"
>

Dress white? I guess philly niggas dress white since they wear capri pants and buttoned up (to the top)polos, right? Only white bols button they shirts to the top.

He married an Asian (Philipino not Chinese) broad! Hell naw! Let's Drop Squad that nigga.

Look, dude hangs out with Charlie Murphy, Ashy Larry, Quest and Paul Mooney so he's black enough for them. Wait, Quest is in the Roots so he SEEMS white too.


>niggas in here can hate on mike epps, who is corny, all they
>want
>but nigga made some points

>neal is the force behind the show

You know this how? Look at Quest's post above. He actually works on the show and said the show is ALL DAVE so you are talking out your ass and sound real ignorant. Seriously, how did this statement come from you when you have ZERO knowledge of the show's creative process?


>the shit is for white ppl imo

Every black person I know and most black folks on this site watch the show and love it.

>and is general coonery imo

wrong

>imo dave chappelle takes what richard pryor did and white
>washes that shit
>so its more like "here laugh at what we do, this that funny
>niggadom"

That's funny, because Pryor himself said he's passed the torch to Dave and he loves Dave's shit.

How many episodeshave you seen. Most of the skits aren't about "laughing at negroes." Dude makes fun of everyone and everyting. You act like every skit is about us.

>imo his shit is more laugh AT us, not WITH us
>richard pryor basically was doing the same shit, but it was more >like"mugfucker laugh wit me bout this nigga shit"
>

Pryor cosigns Dave.

>dave shit is more blatant and illustrates it so that the white
>audience is just that, an audience laughing at us.
>

Dude can't help it whites watch his show.

>funny thing is
>5 yrs ago if dave would have said this about martin or
>somebody
>every body would have been saying dave needs to stfu and stop
>hating
>so i wouldnt be so quick to say mike epps will never get 50
>mil
>hell dave might not even get 50 mil unless he bring his ass
>back
>plus ppl need to stop acting like the gap in talent is so big
>between the two
>tho i agree dave is more funny
>a few yrs ago he was "a nigga that was funny in that white bol
>movie"

Half Baked was a "white bol movie?" Should Dave do the net State Property movie? Will that be black enough fo you?

>so chill regular like he richard pryor or eddie or something
>cause realistically the chapelle show was getting kinda corny
>when 40 yr old white bitchs was coming to work talkin bout it
>

The show isn't corny because it's not funny but because it's popular, right?

right now, he needs to shut....the.....fuck.....^

Question, since when could Dave Chappelle carry a whole movie? He's got a $50M contract TODAY, and STILL can't carry a whole movie.

Also, why is money always compared when someone gives an opinion of another? Same with hiphop, "kid aint went gold, he can't criticize a 3x plat rapper!" <--FOH! ... "He can't even afford a bentley, wait until he at least goes platinum b4 he opens his mouth" <-- what part of the game is that?

So we need peer-to-peer criticism? I agree with SouthPhilly, he made very good points and truth be told the only room to really question Epps is the audience he chose to express his opinion. Chappelle, for all of his talents, is NOT beyond criticism. The brother is not the Pope or President of the World and everybody don't have the same opinion.

With that being said and the whole "I'm rich, bitch" mantra, isn't it ironic that now that the loot is tangible, the pressure becomes too much ... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm rooting for Dave, but there is a reason pressure effects people differently and maybe Epps hit this one on the head? maybe not, but time will tell.

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is people who the educated black people who seem to have to "act" white to get ahead where they at now.

I hate to hear brothers comment on shit without knowing their history.

How are you going to do a Pryor biopic, and not know his history? Not to mention the thought of Mike Epps playing Richard Pryor makes me a little ill.

Robin Williams and Sandra Bernhardt got starts writing for Richard Pryor, as well as comics Vic Dunlop and Rob Altman.

Pryor had his own issues about whether or not it was cool to be throwin out "nigga" all the time too. i know mooney was a writer for pryor as well and that cat says nigga perhaps more than rich ever did.

I can not say that I would have made sketches like the 'niggar family' and the one with the black/blind/kkk guy but it was pretty damned ballsy. Both sketches make you feel uneasy (or at least they did with me), and were funny at the same time. Before he introduced the sketch about the 'niggar family', he was conscious of the fact that the n word holds a different meaning for each black person. We gotta decide for ourselves how much power we give to the word. Part of the problem is the cats that don't have any kind of mixed feelings on the issue and look at the sketches as a pass to use certain terms. I aint about to have no white cats yellin out 'they should have never gave you niggas money'.

i disagree with epps on a lot of what he said. dave is an ohio and dc cat and even though he was primarily raised in suburbia, he is not a stranger to things that went down in the ghetto. and as far as crackheads go, that shit is universal and is certainly not limited to the ghetto. even if dave was not familiar with it, others on the show are. dave isn't out there saying that he didn't have help on the material from cats like charlie murphy, paul mooney and other cast members.

Dave seems like a standup kinda guy and even when he does something that isn't cool, he tries to own up to it. I think he is just trying to promote dialogue between races.

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I wanna be there when these niggaz start giving out money.

hahahaha.

that proves Epps' point.

his first film writing credit is about a bunch of weedheads and targeted white frat boys as an audience. that success is followed by a lucrative comedy tour of hundreds of white colleges and universities around the country.

yet in films with other Black comedians (Eddie Murphy in The Nutty Professor, Martin Lawrence in Blue Streak, and Eddie Griffin in Undercover Brother), he takes a backseat.

Epps is saying there's a level of detachment that's transparent to the Black folks Chappelle jokes about. and i'll add, that's the reason he's NEVER been as big as a martin in Black circles.

is becasue he is not one of the main stars but they recgonize the talent and hired him.

cuz, otherwise, it makes no sense why you riding for him so hard.

all i'm saying is that martin was groomed his career as a Black comic primarily for Black audiences (what's happening now?!, def comedy jam, martin, big momma's house). while chappelle has primarily tailored his career as a Black comic for white folks.

just look @ the trajectories of their stardom. and like binlahab said most Black folks didn't REALLY know about chappelle til the rick james skit...and that was last year.

let's NOT get carried away.

>cuz, otherwise, it makes no sense why you riding for him so
>hard.
>
>all i'm saying is that martin was groomed his career as a
>Black comic primarily for Black audiences (what's happening
>now?!, def comedy jam, martin, big momma's house). while
>chappelle has primarily tailored his career as a Black comic
>for white folks.

Chappelle does have a more diverse audience but to say his comedy is "tailored" for white people is dead wrong. He was doing DC comedy clubs at 14 in DC for ALL black crowds. Check some old footage, his style is exactly the same as it is now. He did Def Comedy Jam. Have you seen his HBO special years ago way before Chappelle show? 90% of the audience was black.

>
>just look @ the trajectories of their stardom. and like
>binlahab said most Black folks didn't REALLY know about
>chappelle til the rick james skit...and that was last year.
>

This remark is retarded as fuck. I, like every black person I'm cool with, was waiting and watching the Chappelle show from episode 1. Were you on the boards then? How could you have missed the episode posts on here EVERY Wednesday? White folks didn't start fucking with the show heavy until Rick James. Watch his Showtime comedy special where 30% of the crowd was non-black. The season one DVD is the highest selling TV show to date surpassing the Simpsons. Just because you and Bin weren't watching doesn't mean black folks weren't.

>let's NOT get carried away.

And as far as Half Baked being a "white boy-frat" movie, I've heard a dozen rappers quote it, and mad niggas got it in the DVD collection. It's a cult classic for weed heads but I guess only white kids in frats smoke weed.

and i went to a white university where every white person on campus was watching that shit to.

yall mofos are BLIND to the whiteness of his supporters. this nigga was getting 30K for doin 90 minutes sets at predominantly white universities from 1999-2002. what are you talking about?

>and i went to a white university where every white person on
>campus was watching that shit to.
>
>yall mofos are BLIND to the whiteness of his supporters. this
>nigga was getting 30K for doin 90 minutes sets at
>predominantly white universities from 1999-2002. what are you
>talking about?

I said he has a diverse audience. But you and Bin seem to be implying that he lacks "hood love." If Chappelle did a show at the Apollo niggas would be lined up to get tickets.

Any super famous black person has a "whiteness" support factor. Look at music. When Outkast and Usher had predominately black support they'd sell a few million. After they crossed over they did 10 million. Michael Jackson ain't sell 25 million copies of Thriller to black folks. Can you deny that we don't support these artists? Dave or anyone can't help that they crossed over. I don't think they intended to.

Should he not do shows for white crowds? They''re money is just as green as yours.

if given the choice most Black folks would choose to watch a random rerun of martin over watching a random rerun of chappelle's show.

maybe, i'm wrong.

to me, folks tryna say that epp is hating is really smoking that good crack. what epps said is real and it's rooted in truth, imo

And further more, even if only a percentage of whites liked dave, it would still outnumber the amount of blacks even living in this country. They are a majority population wise ya know!?! I believe there is a sophistication of wit that he has that is less blatent than some comics, but should he suffer because *some* whites *get-it*? Of course not. I am sure there are comedians you love, that may tell a political joke that you think you may understand, but in truth you're only laughing at the delivery.
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"I'd much rather be happy than right any day."

that's my bet, tis all.

and please fall back on the "sophistication of wit" and blaming him cuz white folks "get it" aspect.

Us black folk laugh at the jokes due to affective qualities
White folk laugh at jokes due to the sophistication and reason
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you know what the differnece between him and all the guys you named is?

one is eddie murphy, and the other two had their own tv shows prior to those movies.

how do you not notice some shit like that?



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when/how did he become a star exactly?

everyone is giving him acclaim for "half baked" and that came out in 1998. his show comes out in 2003 and he's a star?

my point is that his road to stardom is peculiar amongst Black comedians because it has NO roots in building a Black audience. it was built on white college campuses.

i'm not knockin his hustle. just acknowledging how he got put on.

you don't remember his hbo standup, shot in dc?

the audience, as torez notes, was filled w/ black people.

he was on def comedy jam.

don''t lie and act like he didn't have at least as many black fans as white fans before the show.

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>you know what the differnece between him and all the guys you
>named is?
>
>one is eddie murphy, and the other two had their own tv shows
>prior to those movies.
>
>how do you not notice some shit like that?

People want to be selectively stupid like Dave is supposed to STAR over established comedians. What black comedian never took a "backseat" role?

Martin in House Party (back seat to fucking Kid n Play), Boomerang
The Wayans in every Robert Townsend special and Hollywood Shuffle
Eddie Griffin took a backseat to Dave in a Chappelle show skit (lol)
Chris Rock in I'm Gonna Get You Sucka, Boomerang
Bernie Mac to Chris Rock in Head of State
Charlie Murphy, Mooney, Donnell Rawlings to Chappelle Show
Tracy Morgan to Chris Rock in Head of State

See a pattern here Huey? Every black comedian puts someone on. I have no clue where you and Bin (Epps too) are getting you info from.

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he wasn't a crackhead, he was Hustle Man.

you don't get it.

And now they signed to a major label. They selling out cause now cause they used to run their own shit.(even though the rest of america had no idea who they are)Dave had a small cult following, but compared to those i the movie, his fan base wasn't secure enough to star in a big budget film like that. Now that he has the exposure, studios can bank money on him in a starring role.
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"I'd much rather be happy than right any day."

he had a cult following that was quite white.

so the cash money parallel REALLY falls short.

cult hit or not, that movie didn't matter unless they were going to make a sequel.

that movie did not legitimize dave chappelles career.

that he hadn't had that moment yet, doesn't suddenly make him a black comic for white people.

how wrong can you be?


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i seen half baked back in the day when it was new
i would talk to ppl about it and they had no idea what i was talking bout
ppl act like half baked was some huge hit
it was a CULT classic
meaning the shit was basically an underground hit
trying to argue chappelle was a star off of half baked is like saying mos def was a star of blackstar album
fuck outta here wit that
i just hope ock do season three
otherwise he will be irrelevant as shit, so it won't matter

He had plenty of black fans, he just lacked exposure. The show has brought in more fans black and white.

but prior to the show he made his money touring white colleges, that's a fact.

lol

He toured white colleges, did comedy clubs, bit movie parts, etc. That's how a comedian pays the bills. Should he not take their money? Pryor did white clubs, Martin, Rock and every other famous black comedian have done white crowds. How does this lower his stock?

Frankly, I could give two shits how many white folks like him. He's hilarious and I and most black folks will support him. Should I throw away my Outkast CD's because 8 million whites bought their last album due to Hey Ya? Common, Mos, and Talib do shows to mostly white crowds but they're not making their music for white people. Dave's comedy isn't made for whites. You can't control your audience.


You go catch the next Mike Epps flick.

a large (and rich) percentage of his fan base. mostly concentrated in white colleges.

like i said, i'm not knocking his hustle, so please miss me with the "i and most black people" mess.

prior to the show he was known for half baked and later "killing me softly." and like spm said, a larger number of Black folks got hype to him once the show began.

i just find it interesting that folks are calling "half baked" a white film yet overlooking that chappelle co-wrote it. that to me is telling.

You were in, what, middle school when Def Comedy Jam was on? Even if your parents let you stay up to watch it, you probably wouldn't remember who appeared.


No wonder you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

"Black people just caught on to Dave in 2004"... Right! lolololololololololololol

do u even know how old i am?
seriously
stfu. i know more about def com jam then u, test my aim

First of all, your statement that black fans JUST adopted Chappelle shows you HAVEN'T seen him on Def comedy Jam. That show had most of the black comics that are big now and Dave performed a several times.

But anyway, doing thhe numbers....

You've gotta be at least 25 for me to believe you watched Def JAm back in the day. If you're at least 25 now, that means you were at least 12 in 92. Most 12 r olds are in 6th and 7th grade (some in 8th). I remember folks staying up to watch SNL back in middle school, so I can believe a middle schooler watching Def Jam.

You've said you just graduated college. Most people graduated around 22... which would make you around 9 back in 92.

Of course, maybe you took your time in college, or you took a break before college to work, or you repeated a couple grades in high school. You seem bright and interested in education so I doubt all of that.

I think you probably caught the last couple years of Def Jam, but I doubt you saw the beginning. Even if you did, you were probably too young to remember any details.

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I think he's speaking mostly out of jealousy but there should be some evidence to support his statement if it's true.

Is it ONLY middle class blacks and whites (I guess they're a monolith by Mike's statement) laughing at his jokes?

The hood WATCHES Chappelle Show. Epps was just hating because he's playing Pryor but Pryor said Dave carries his torch.

Shit more folks in the hood know Dave then Epps.

You can tell it's hate when someone's arguments are based on half truths. He said the show is all Neil and the white writers. THERE ARE NO WHITE WRITERS it's just Dave and Neil. He said blacks weren't watching until Rick James lol. Everyone from 50 Cent, Dmx, Lil John, Kanye, Mos, Freeway, etc have either been on his show or shown him love BEFORE Rick James.

give me a fucking break

um...how many white bitches was richard pryor married to? does that make him less black?

i refuse to believe that in the all of 3 big movies epps been in there have been NO white writers.

also, what chappelle isnt writing his own show now? i think he counts as a black writer.

chappelle has never cooned in a single one of movies and never on his show, he has always done intelligent or relatable comedy. Unlike epps who is a coon in every fucking movie he has ever done.

The question is can Epps play pryor and not be the coon he usually is?
That nigga jealous cause he will NEVER be as big as chappelle, ever, cause chappelle is a better comedian than him. I say they have a joke off!

Fuck Mike epps i aint never been a fan, i been a fan of chappelle ever since robin hood men in tights.

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Posted: Mon., May 16, 2005, 10:00pm PT

Pryor commitment set
Epps to star in funnyman's biopic

By MICHAEL FLEMING


"The Honeymooners" star Mike EppsMike Epps has been tapped to play Richard Pryor in a feature film on the comedian's life.
Walter HillWalter Hill, who directed Pryor in "Brewster's Millions," will helmhelm, and Caleb Kane ("These City Walls") will pen the script.

Pryor and his wife, Jennifer Lee Pryor, are producing via their Indigo Prods. banner. Project had languished at Universal under Martin Scorsese and Harry Ufland.

She has exec produced the Pryor tribute special "I Ain't Dead Yet Mother F*#*+rs" for Comedy CentralComedy Central and Showtime's "Pryor Offenses." Niles Kirchner will exec produce the Pryor pic.

Epps was among the speakers at Sunday's tribute to Pryor at the DGADGA.

"I met Richard and felt like I was in Oz the whole time," Epps said. "It's hard to describe what he means to me or any standup comic. You could say he's paid the dues for everything we do up there."

Pryor was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 1986 and gets around in a wheelchair.

"We're not wealthy, but we do OK," she said. "The sickness is very expensive, and the revenue is definitely not what it used to be. I want to protect his legacy, and I'd like for Richard to experience this and see the result while he is still with us."

The earlier incarnation was developed for another accomplished standup, Damon Wayans, but Pryor felt the film would benefit with an actor who hadn't yet been stamped as a big star.

"The material is larger than life, and you need someone to fit into it who's not extraordinarily famous or else it would be like Al Jolson playing Malcolm X," she said. "Richard and I saw Mike's standup, and there is a dangerous edge, a Richard-esque quality about him."













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