>that's what i got off this post. it seemed to come off to me
>in a manner that was condicending to run dmc and hip hop
>(and "regular black folks") in general. but that's just how
>i took it.

Those are 2 separate points and bunch of diff issues.

I have a major problem with black people being mixed up with hip hop.

But this thread is more than just cool in 04, or even 84.

I think it touches on what Jay Z would call, "the nigga codes"

>it's free cause i *choose* to wear the uniform. i like the
>uniform. if i like the uniform, does that make me all that i
>am. do the clothes make the man? i'on't know.

No, but that's not the discussion.

If all the cool people wear the uniform, how is that freedom?

If every cool black performer can 1) fuck a bitch on site, 2) fuck up a nigga who looks at him wrong - how is that freedom?

Where is the cool black performer that doesn't fit into an already established idea of cool?

Especially when the ideology of cool tells us that cool people 1) wear the image, and 2) reject the image.

Dre3000 is rejecting the idea of hip hop cool, and going for a Fred Estaire/GQ type of cool. (if you read Alan Flusser - the same guy who bentley farnsworth studied under - you'd see how unoriginal Dre really is)

But because Dre is not rocking a throwback - that shit's cool.
When Jay Z says he's wearing a button up and not a jersey cause he's 30 plus, button ups become "cool".

Cool is inescapable, even when folks try to escape it.

That's more than on the material/marketing level.

Boss Tweed, "You can vote for whoever you want, just let me pick the candidates"

>i didn't feel he was saying that we need to abolish *all*
>cool. anti and regular. i felt he was coming from the anti
>cool stand point, hince his use of the george quote.

I can see how you would get that. I think the other post about Cody, especially the fact that the man was dirty/unkempt/unpleasant gets more at the idea of a rejection of the concept of cool than this one does. But w/o the context of Cody, the concept of cool is lost. With Cody, the concept of cool is immaterial as people make decisions on what they think about cody.

>if he was saying that all of this *cool* shit is retarded, i
>agree really. and i appolgize for reading into it wrong. i
>just felt it had a certain tone toward "norms".
>
>haha...we prolly are just some weird muthafuckas. but then
>again, how is it that e'rry single "urban" artist has
>coldplay coming out there mouths. brandy did a song
>deticated to them even.

It will be someone new.

I remember when Dre was name dropping the Hives.

>one of the top 10 albums in the country is an album feat.
>jay-z and linkin park.
>
>jay did a show w/ phish for god sake.
>
>i think the worlds alot more like us than you are thinking.

I think white people will buy 1) one of the biggest rock groups out, and 2) are en masse @ a Phish show.

It's black folks i'm concerned with.

If the typical black high school had a talent show, we both know the "ghetto rockers" (if they even existed) would get looked at funny. We both know as soon as they step out on stage not wearing the uniform, some mf'er in the crowd is gonna say some shit outloud to the rest of the crowd and the crowd is gonna laugh. And even if the rock shit is onp oint for some rock shit, if it doesn't bang/groove or funk... You know what's gonna happen.

That's the reality we live in.

Tell me I'm wrong. Give me some hope.

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