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1838, RE: I'm not sure if we disagree
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Dec-21-04 11:07 AM

>Who does the signing?
>Off of what basis?
>
>And why are we thinking about Majors?
>
>You think Lil Flip got his deal cause he had a bunch of
>"Sunshine"s on his underground shit?
>
>bWhahahaha.
>
>He was selling 30,000 tapes on some gangsta shit.
>Making nuff chedda - and with that - majors got interested.
>
>Keisha n'nem might dance to the club to "I can do that" or
>"this is the way we ball", but they weren't buying them
>tapes @ King's. Neither were Chet and Duncan.
>


fair enough, but I don't think "sunshines" (blatant songs for hoes) are the topic at hand tho. the thing that separates a flip sellin 30k from that nigga on down the street sellin 20, flip got a dj somewhere, (I'm assuming, I don't know the houston underground scene) to play it. at parties, or on the radio, repeatedly. you don't have to make a sunshine to move to the next level, (I think that speaks more to cats drinking their own koolaid a lil too much, but, neither here nor there), but if kiesha n nem couldn't move to it, flip would still be sellin 25k to hardlegs, and 30k total.





>>Is there anybody who breaks the wall from one level to the
>>next without adding significant female numbers to their
>>fanbase first?
>
>I don't think we disagree.
>The argument is that women define cool though.

true. and they don't, but, if you want to turn one fan into three, does it matter more what jamal thinks of your single or kiesha?

using sales/exposure as the bar, at every level, I think you'll find female fanbase as the difference. MOP is never going to sell more albums than they did with their last, unless they change up their image somehow. Slum Village made a move from one level to the next cuz they got more women interested, but they're gonna be hard pressed to stay there, and they sure as hell ain't moving on.


foreign exchange is never going to get past vh1 soul, various lesson mc's will never get there.

>
>And we're trying to work out the mechanics.
>
>The hip hop business is a really a multiple choice test,
>where consumers just choose a letter between A-E.
>
>The underground of hip hop, is an essay test.
>But chicks ain't reading those essays.
>
>Men read those essays, listen to those tapes, and choose
>who's dope. Majors then reduce a complex subject into a
>multiple choice test - and it's represented to the rest of
>the class.
>
>But what is cool?
>That's not decided @ the MC level, but at the essay level.
>
>>whenever new artists come out, or a new subgenre gets hot,
>>you gotta put asses on the dancefloor. female asses.
>
>But the generic female don't really care, as long as the
>beat is hot.
>
>Damn is a song for the niggas.
>That new shit by terror squad is a song for the bitches.
>
>Both get female asses on the floor.
>
>That's been loop's point for a long ass time.
>
>They will dance to anything.
>
>It's just like white folks can't generate their own hip hop
>stars w/o having black backing and authenticity.
>
>Look @ insane clown posse or the beastie boys. - Cult
>audiences.
>
>>you might not be allowed slow burn in terms of sales, but
>>when cats go from underground to mainstream, it definitely
>>happens.
>>
>>
>>luda
>>nelly
>>flip
>>
>>from a 100k out the trunk to plat in the stores, or some
>>version of that.
>
>I don't disagree entirely, but the agenda was set.
>
>>hell, even phonte and nicolay are rappin for the bitches,
>>lol.
>
>That's a whole other topic, But I'm not gonna get into it,
>cause I'm gonna look like a hater.
>
>>how many cats you know keep that dream going if they can't
>>get at least one woman to think they can do it?
>
>>some, but few.
>
>You talking about their girlfriend?
>or their first groupie?

aren't they often the same thing, or is that just my platinum status road to riches fantasy? but shit, it might be their mom or their friends girlfriend, it still applies.


I think white artists jump levels often without those factors, but black acts don't. I don't think the "problem" is black people, but it's a reality.


>
>>

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