This phone looks unreal. Capacitive, multi-touch screen with slideout keyboard. Wifi. WeOS/synergy.

It won't get the better of the iphone in terms of commercial success, but the actual quality of the phone far out performs the iphone. only thing it will lack is true viability as a gaming platform.

TRUE multitasking. to me, that is huge. effa iphone 3.0, pre will still be better.

also how sick is it that you start by entering your facebook/gmail/microsoft info in and it aggregates all your contact info that is self-updating via the cloud << something apple has botched.

Pre lost.

but you knew that.

>This phone looks unreal. Capacitive, multi-touch screen with
>slideout keyboard. Wifi. WeOS/synergy.
>
>It won't get the better of the iphone in terms of commercial
>success, but the actual quality of the phone far out performs
>the iphone. only thing it will lack is true viability as a
>gaming platform.
>
>TRUE multitasking. to me, that is huge. effa iphone 3.0, pre
>will still be better.
>
>also how sick is it that you start by entering your
>facebook/gmail/microsoft info in and it aggregates all your
>contact info that is self-updating via the cloud << something
>apple has botched.

thought the price point was going be a little less but after my discount it's still not bad.
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they have a solid network... but their coverage is god awful and this is a phone we're talking about...

and at&t's coverage for the iphone is absolutely balls in most areas

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Maybe Im wrong, but isn't palm os traditionally crap?

>This phone looks unreal. Capacitive, multi-touch screen with
>slideout keyboard. Wifi. WeOS/synergy.
>
>It won't get the better of the iphone in terms of commercial
>success, but the actual quality of the phone far out performs
>the iphone. only thing it will lack is true viability as a
>gaming platform.
>
>TRUE multitasking. to me, that is huge. effa iphone 3.0, pre
>will still be better.
>
>also how sick is it that you start by entering your
>facebook/gmail/microsoft info in and it aggregates all your
>contact info that is self-updating via the cloud << something
>apple has botched.

palm built it entirely from scratch. not related to palmOS at all its completely different and called webOS. The GUI looks slick as hell and the way you multitask (each running application is a "card" that you can swipe between to navigate or swipe off the screen to close) is revolutionary, at least for phones.

iphone has nothing on the pre.

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if they had dropped anything remotely similar to a palm os iteration this time around they would have been dragged to the center of town and shot most unceremoniously.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/12/palm-pre-the-emperors-new-phone/

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that thing is pure hate hate hate

True, that is some prime time hate right there. He brings up some valid points about the Pre and Iphone, but they are covered up with his blatant disdain for Palm and the Pre.

I was thinking about getting an unlocked 3G one whenever those hit, but now? Nah, I'm good.

WEAK!

Yeah I read RDMag.
Bookmark that site for pure, intelligent RDF.

A little disappointed with the price, though. That $199 is after a $100 mail-in rebate, which I usually forget to mail in. Of course, a little while on a Sprint plan as opposed to a comparable AT&T plan should make it cheaper than it looks.

As a owner of an Iphone, I see the Pre as good for the market. It will force Apple to stay up and be complacent with their technology and market share and also force the others to one up one another. I honestly hope Palm does well with the Pre. I really want to see how Palm will push the WebOS and get developers on board.

at the counter with an instant rebate.

well ever really. i've always had Palm products since like 99-00. my wife has the Centro and she loves it. can't wait to give this phone a try.

i definitely am not looking forward to the iPhone vs Palm war that will go on between consumers of either phone. i do look forward to the companies pushing each other to keep good apps and products out there.

Also, most smartphones support multitasking.

WebOS looks nice though. Linux won.

but whatever this is the best option BY far on sprint.

that new samsung android phone looks ill.

Both phones have some unique features. Hopefully they'll rip eachother off and everyone wins.

As it is, I'm quite curious about the new android phones coming out later this year, but my current phone is acting up right now, so the pre kinda seems like fate.

but, multitasking on winmo is frustrating as shit

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I know because I got a Treo Pro on my hip.
It's free, can't complain about it too much plus it's a world better than the 800w.

That phone was boiled shit.

How is the treo pro? I was thinking about getting one.

It's the fastest WinMo phone I've been subjected to and my job is paying for it, so it's win-win. The service stinks at the office but got a cisco voip, outside/at home it's 3-4 bars (I'm within ~3000 ft of a cell tower). Its case is very iPhone-ish, specially the back, it's more of a fingerprint magnet than the PS3 lol. The multimedia features are decent, much better than the 800w. M$ is improving the UI to make it more tolerable and it's much appreciated. It's ok, it's no iPhone, but it's free. :)

can i apply that AND the rebate to the pre?

i'm copping either way, but still.

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its $500 something with no contract.

n/m

LOL.

I'm intrigued by this phone, but it's not iPhone caliber.
But it might change my mind when I actually use it.

>LOL.
>
>I'm intrigued by this phone, but it's not iPhone caliber.
>But it might change my mind when I actually use it.

Right, so how about you wait to use it?

No?


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The company's got a contract with Sprint so that's what we get.
Have a great day.
:)

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LOL
:D

I'll see em first hand.
how 'bout you?
:)

>I'll see em first hand.
>how 'bout you?
>:)

Just sayin


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Not at all.
Good Day.

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no..

wait..

wait...PISSED!..uh..nah...

nope. not mad....wait...

a little mad...

wait...

hold on.

nope.

not mad.

LOL
:D

They just confirmed, only the Everything Data plans ($69 or $89 for 450 or 900 minutes respectively, with unlimited data), or the Simply Everything ($99 for unlimited voice and data).

http://www.precentral.net/sprint-no-sero-pre

*throws tantrum*

ok. seriously...this is some garbage. the ONLY reason i don't have an iphone right now is because my sero plan is soooooooooooooo cheap. but if i can't even get the ONLY decent phone on sprint, i'm gonna need to be paying a grillion dollars for at&t, but happy with my phone.

is there any way around this?

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>is there any way around this?

The retail price is $549. There's a $100 instant rebate, and $100 mail-in rebate, and a $150 discount with a two-year contract. So presumably you could still get the two rebates without the service contract, making the cost $349. If you'd save enough money on the SERO plan to make up for that, it might be worth it.

At any rate, I don't think anyone was ever optimistic enough to think they'd get a discount just for renewing a SERO plan. The whole point of these subsidies is to get people on the plans they want them to be on, and the SERO isn't among them.

>At any rate, I don't think anyone was ever optimistic enough
>to think they'd get a discount just for renewing a SERO plan.
>The whole point of these subsidies is to get people on the
>plans they want them to be on, and the SERO isn't among them.
>
>

yeah, you're right. i was just so excited to have a phone that doesn't suck, i wasn't thinking clearly.

to change my plan. It all works out much cheaper in the end. I know the blackberry phones won't work on the SERO plan though.

I was originally going to go for the Touch Pro, which is about the best WM phone out, but this does look intriguing. If the app support comes around and I can still access my media files from my NAS, it may be worth a look. Wonder if it can be used as a wifi hotspot

http://gizmodo.com/5262558/palm-pres-irritating-100-rebate-will-be-instant-at-best-buy

Palm Pre's Irritating $100 Rebate Will Be Instant At Best Buy

Annoyingly, you won't be able to get a Palm Pre for the advertised $199 without redeeming a $100 mail-in rebate—something Sprint is depending on you not doing. Solution: get yours at Best Buy.

A PR rep for the company has confirmed to us that the Pre's $100 rebate, originally announced as a mail-in affair, will be instantly deducted at the register in Best Buy stores. In other words, Best Buy will take care of the rebate process for you. In other other words, just buy your Pre at the Big Blue, and save yourself the pain.


Guess Radioshack is doing the same thing

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and still no info on when it comes to europe. Dope ass phone which I have been recommending to people who don't want iPhones based solely off of what I've read.

They're trying to get the early iphone adopters to switch.

They will actually be helping the iPhone since all press will mention wait until we see what the new iPhone has to offer. They should have dropped a month ago so they aren't undercut by the iPhone press. Of they did that they would haveat least pulled off a second look since it would have already been tested.

Apple is usually very tight lipped about new features and when things will drop. Then Palm announces the Pre and it's release date. All of a sudden Apple does a demo of the new featureset and is way more forthcoming about when it will be released.

Shook ones. They're trying to divert attention away from Palm imo.

that's what I'm talking about and when you compare a brand new phone with potential to the juggernaut that is the iPhone PLUS the already established App store it's really not that much of a fight. They'll get the number one rookie draft pick but they won't get the LeBron/Kobe treatment like the iPhone.

Basically the Pre vs. iPhone coverage will boil down to this COULD be a contender but the iPhone is a champ. Had they released this earlier then they would have had a better stance then fighting it straight up.

I get what they're trying to do but it seems like a weak move for a struggling company.

I own an iPhone and will get the next gen one but I'm hoping the best for this phone because honestly nothing has impressed me to this point (except when Android's handsets start to catch up with the OS).

more choices mean healthly comp and this with force either side to to show us the new new features just to get one up on the other side.

everybody will be running pre vs. iphone comparison stories. If they're confident (as they probably should be) that the pre will win those comparisons on the merits, it'll amount to a hell of a lot of free advertising for the pre, and given how much money Palm and Sprint have on hand right now, that's very valuable.

It's certainly a ballsy move, but it could pay off.

They also supposedly wanted Apple to sue them over multitouch, so they'd get free advertising from the ensuing patent war.

shit looks type dope, definitely hope Palm does better after this phone drops cuz I'm hearing their future is pretty bleek if it doesn't kill the market after it's released :\

they need some Ws.

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wtf

http://www.phonenews.com/review-palm-pre-sprint-7886/

they don't have one

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I got tired of the teasing and got me a red Lotus (decent phone BTW), but now I'm taking it back and holding out for that Pre. Best Buy's skippin those instant rebates too, so I'm gonna be up bright eyed for that.

uh...
sorry...

Windows Mobile

cant wait to play with the thing....if its dope ill jump ship

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/plethora-of-palm-pre-interface-videos-emerge-from-leaked-emulato/

and I'm under the impression that comparable plans are much cheaper on Sprint than on the other major networks.

That said, AT&T does have a webOS phone coming later this year. It's called the Eos.

http://www.precentral.net/palm-eos-coming-2nd-half-2009

haven't had any major problems and i've had a slew of phones since then. really don't get why people keep saying they suck. i guess it's just really hard to get away from a bad reputation.

i'm going to try to get an issue with my vibrate motor fixed. i'll let you all know how it goes. i have a htc touch diamond.

they also have a 12 month window where you can renew contract and get the $150 discount. instead of waiting until sept 2010, i could get a new subsidized phone in sept 2009. another 2 year commitment is required though.

they tried to put in a new vibration motor but that didn't fix the problem. brand new phone for no cost. i'll wait a few months before considering the pre.

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/05/28/scooplet-the-palm-pre-syncs-with-itunes/

Scooplet: the Palm Pre syncs with iTunes
It came up briefly at Comdex in January when a Palm (PALM) representative let the cat out of the bag (see here). Nobody followed up.

But with more and more Palm Pres appearing in the wild — in the hands of Palm employees, Elevation partners, one of my high-school buddies, even the Boy Genius — we can now confirm this little secret:

Plug a Pre into a Mac and it syncs, seamlessly, with Apple’s (AAPL) iTunes.

In fact, the iTunes Store treats the Pre just as it would an iPod or an iPhone with one exception: it can’t handle old copy-protected songs.

Third party programs that perform the same service for various non-Apple MP3 players — including the Palm Treo and 700p – have been available for some time. But team Pre has apparently built the necessary code right into the device’s firmware.

They certainly have the know-how. The team is chock-a-block with former Apple employees and is led by Palm president Jon Rubinstein, who built the original iPod for Steve Jobs.

How Apple legal will respond to a presumably unauthorized invasion of their music store remains to be seen.

Asked about the Pre during a quarterly earnings call in January, COO Tim Cook said Apple would use whatever weapons it has at its disposal to fight companies that rip off its intellectual property.

An Apple spokesperson, reached for comment earlier this week, would only say that the company does not respond to rumor and speculation.


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since Apple can (and will) break that compatibility whenever they like.

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They're gonna shut that down real quick.

a.k.a. fuck you hacking ass hackers release.

.

wanna make sure they didn't already send the FIX before I get the phone
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There's been no direct confirmation just yet, but Fortune has it that Palm's hotly anticipated Pre actually syncs with iTunes. Yeah, iTunes. According to the report, the Pre works "seamlessly" with iTunes on a Mac, with the only notable limitation being that it can't handle older DRM-laced files from the sad, sad days of our past. Even wilder, we're told that the iTunes Store "treats the Pre just as it would an iPod or an iPhone" save for the aforesaid exception, which leads us to wonder how Apple will react. There's little doubt that this factoid sweetens the Pre value proposition for diligent Mac users, but is this functionality kosher with the software's creator? We already saw Tim Cook glance sternly at Palm while uttering that if anyone else "ripped off its intellectual property, it would go after them," and we highly doubt he plans on backing down if push comes to shove. If true, this could definitely trigger an interesting chain of events -- we'll know soon enough, now won't we?

i wanted a pre before too.

Think you'll have to wait until June 6th for all the Pre surprises to emerge? Think again. A breaking Reuters report has just dropped one of the biggest cellular bombshells of the year: Verizon Wireless, America's largest mobile operator, will soon be carrying Palm's Pre. Oh, that's not enough? No worries -- it'll also be selling a "new version of the touchscreen BlackBerry Storm," which is obviously the Storm 2 that we've been toying around with. The report makes clear that both phones would be cleared for shipment in around six months, which certainly jibes with whispers we've heard about Sprint's mighty short exclusivity period. The news came from the company's Lowell McAdam, the top executive for the venture of Verizon Communications and Vodafone. To quote: "Over the next six months or so you will see devices like Palm Pre and a second generation Storm." First Sprint, then AT&T, and now Verizon? T-Mobile, where you at?

as soon as they can.

Probably good news for Palm in the long run (though it could hurt the launch). Horrible news for Sprint.

cuz i'm on verizon so i wouldn't have to switch, but at the same time i like the pricing of similar plans on sprint.

Apparently its fake, though, and not a real
review of the actual product

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/29/palm-pre-review/





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too bad that might not be til early next year at soonest.

Kinda surprising how much he seems to like it, as every indication I've seen is that the guy is an inveterate Apple stan.


And LOL at how he digs a knife into Sprint at the very end. They must have dropped a very important call at some point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/technology/personaltech/04pogue.html

June 4, 2009
State of the Art
Palm Pre, Elegant Contender
By DAVID POGUE

You’ve seen that movie, right? The one where a pair of lovable sad-sack losers team up to defeat the smug athletic golden boy?

If not, you’re about to. It’s called “Palm Pre vs. iPhone.”

The star of this summer blockbuster is Palm. Over the years, this once-great company lost its talent for everything but making business blunders. Pundits were predicting Palm’s passing — but then the new Palm Pre appeared.

The Pre, which goes on sale Saturday, is an elegant, joyous, multitouch smartphone; it’s the iPhone remixed. That’s no surprise, really; its primary mastermind was Jon Rubinstein, who joined Palm after working with Steve Jobs of Apple, on and off, for 16 years. Once at Palm, he hired 250 engineers from Apple and elsewhere, and challenged them to out-iPhone the iPhone.

That the Pre even comes close to succeeding is astonishing. As so many awful “iPhone killers” have demonstrated, most efforts to replicate the iPhone result in hideous designed-by-committee messes.

The Pre has the usual feature checklist: Wi-Fi, GPS, 3G (high-speed Internet), Bluetooth (including wireless audio), good camera with tiny flash, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor, tilt sensor, standard headphone jack, 3.1-inch touch screen (the same 320 x 480 pixels as the iPhone, packed into less space). The hard part is making it all feel simple and unified — over all, Palm nailed it.

HARDWARE The Pre is a shiny, flattened black plastic capsule, coated with a hard, glossy, scratch-resistant finish. When it’s turned off, the screen disappears completely into the smoky finish, leaving a stunning, featureless talisman. It’s exactly the right size. It’s smaller than the iPhone — half an inch shorter, though a quarter-inch thicker — and therefore more comfortable as a phone.

PRICE The Pre costs $200 after rebate, with a two-year contract. (If you buy it from Best Buy instead of a Sprint store, you get the rebate instantly, without having to mail anything.)

Sprint, Palm’s equally downtrodden co-star, offers a better deal than AT&T does for iPhone. For example, the $70-a-month plan (450 talk minutes) includes unlimited Internet and text messages; the equivalent iPhone AT&T plan includes no text messages at all. Sprint’s unlimited-everything plan costs $100 a month — $240 a year less than AT&T.

And these plans include the excellent Sprint Navigation (turn-by-turn GPS, spoken street names and all) and streaming TV shows and radio (pretty neat if you have a strong cell signal).

Still, I know what you’re thinking: Sprint? Like that’s a huge improvement over AT&T, which iPhone owners love to hate? But read on.

TYPING Unlike the iPhone, the Pre has a real keyboard. The screen slides up, revealing four rows of Thumbelina-size keys. They’re really tiny; a BlackBerry’s keyboard is Texas by comparison. Even so, the domed key shapes and sticky rubber key surfaces make it faster and less frustrating than typing on glass.

PHONE To make a call on the Pre, just pop open the keyboard and start dialing. Or just start typing — matches from your address book come up immediately. Or set up speed-dial keys.

Call audio quality is about average. The ringer, however, is too quiet; expect a lot of complaints about that.

SOFTWARE The Pre’s all-new operating system, called Web OS, is attractive, fluid and exciting. It borrows plenty from the iPhone — pinch or spread two fingers on the screen to zoom in or out, for example, or flick a list item sideways to delete it — but has its own personality.

For example, once the gorgeous screen comes to life, the black plastic strip beneath it is also touch-sensitive. Slide your thumb leftward, for example, to go back one screen. Drag upward to summon the animated, bendy, quick-launch strip. It holds the icons for the five programs you use most often (phone, calendar, e-mail) so you can switch programs without returning to a central home screen first.

That’s important, because the Pre can keep multiple programs open simultaneously. Play Internet radio while you read a PDF document, or compare two open e-mail messages — you can’t do that on the iPhone.

When you press the tiny glowing button below the screen, all open windows shrink slightly into individual “cards.” You can swap programs by tossing them around, or exit a program by flicking its card up off the screen. (Good thing that’s fun to do. If you accumulate about 10 open cards, a hostile out-of-memory message appears.)

Thoughtful grace notes are everywhere. When watching a video, you can flick right or left to skip forward or backward a few seconds. Empty time slots on your daily calendar collapse to save space, denoted by a “3 hours free” strip. When you magnify a Word document, the text reflows so that you never have to scroll horizontally.

BATTERY Everyone griped about the iPhone’s permanently sealed battery. The Pre’s battery, however, is easy to swap.

That’s fortunate, because battery life is the Pre’s heartbreaker. Depending on how heavily I used the thing, the battery was dead either by late afternoon or by dinnertime. Yikes.

Palm calls those unusually poor results, probably because of the miserable Sprint coverage where I live; hunting for a signal eats up power faster. (Palm rates the battery at five hours of talk time or 12 hours of music playback.) Even Palm, however, concedes that one full day is about the best you’ll get.

(For a review of the optional magnetic wireless Touchstone charging stand, see nytimes.com/pogue.)

MUSIC Most phones do a feeble job as music players. Especially compared with the iPhone itself, which, after all, is an actual iPod.

But so, apparently, is the Pre.

When you connect it to your Mac or PC, the Pre appears in Apple’s iTunes software, labeled “iPod.” You can now sync your music, photo and video collections (minus the copy-protected items). ITunes never knows the difference. Apple’s lawyers must be having conniptions.

BUILT-IN PROGRAMS You might keep your family schedule on Google Calendar, your work calendar in Exchange or Outlook and some events in Facebook. The Pre consolidates these online agendas onto a single color-coded calendar.

It does the same thing with your various online address books. You wind up with only one entry for, say, Snuffy Smith, containing all contact information from all sources. The Pre can also consolidate e-mail accounts into a single Inbox, or AIM and Google Talk buddy lists. It’s done well and it makes enormous sense.

APP STORE A big part of the iPhone’s appeal is the app store: 35,000 free or dirt-cheap downloadable programs. The Pre’s app store is starting small — there’s a New York Times reader, Pandora Internet radio, Fandango movie listings and so on.

Palm intends to approve thousands more in the coming weeks, but they won’t be as diverse or powerful as the iPhone’s (especially games). At the outset, at least, Palm is limiting programmer access to the Pre’s features.

All right, then: the Pre is a spectacular achievement. Zero to 60 in one version.

But is it an iPhone killer, as some gadget bloggers have been asking?

The Pre will be a hit, but the iPhone isn’t going away. First of all, Apple’s lead of 20 million phones will only grow when the new iPhone 3.0 software (and, presumably, a third iPhone model) come out shortly.

Second, Palm’s audience for this model is limited to the United States. It requires a CDMA network, so it works in few other countries.

Third, even the Pre has its annoyances. Opening certain programs can be very slow — sometimes eight or nine seconds — and there’s no progress bar or hourglass to let you know that it’s still working.

There’s no memory-card slot to expand the eight gigabytes of storage, and no Visual Voicemail (where messages are listed like e-mail). The ingenious universal search function (searches your programs, address book and the Web simultaneously) won’t look through your e-mail or calendars.

There are a few bugs left to exterminate, too.

Finally, the Pre is not quite as simple as the iPhone. All those extra features, by definition, mean that there’s more to learn.

So do the Pre’s perks (beautiful hardware and software, compact size, keyboard, swappable battery, flash, multitasking, calendar consolidation) outweigh its weak spots (battery life, occasional sluggishness, ringer volume)?

Oh, yes indeedy. Especially when you consider that Verizon Wireless has announced that it will carry the Pre “in the next six months or so.”

Can you imagine how great that will be? One of the world’s best phones on the nation’s best cell network?

If the story of Palm’s rise from the ashes really is like a movie plot, then that twist will give it one heck of a happy ending.

E-mail: Pogue@nytimes.com

Good to know.

>But is it an iPhone killer, as some gadget bloggers have been
>asking?

>The Pre will be a hit, but the iPhone isn’t going away. First
>of all, Apple’s lead of 20 million phones will only grow when
>the new iPhone 3.0 software (and, presumably, a third iPhone
>model) come out shortly.

>Third, even the Pre has its annoyances. Opening certain
>programs can be very slow — sometimes eight or nine seconds —
>and there’s no progress bar or hourglass to let you know that
>it’s still working.

>There’s no memory-card slot to expand the eight gigabytes of
>storage, and no Visual Voicemail (where messages are listed
>like e-mail). The ingenious universal search function
>(searches your programs, address book and the Web
>simultaneously) won’t look through your e-mail or calendars.

>Finally, the Pre is not quite as simple as the iPhone. All
>those extra features, by definition, mean that there’s more to
>learn.

>So do the Pre’s perks (beautiful hardware and software,
>compact size, keyboard, swappable battery, flash,
>multitasking, calendar consolidation) outweigh its weak spots
>(battery life, occasional sluggishness, ringer volume)?

Apple has a de-facto monopoly. Competition is not gonna kill the iphone.

>Good to know.
>
>>But is it an iPhone killer, as some gadget bloggers have
>been
>>asking?
>
>>The Pre will be a hit, but the iPhone isn’t going away.
>First
>>of all, Apple’s lead of 20 million phones will only grow
>when
>>the new iPhone 3.0 software (and, presumably, a third iPhone
>>model) come out shortly.

And we're all looking forward to finding out whether Apple improves on the original yawn-worthy announcement of the 3.0 firmware.

>>Third, even the Pre has its annoyances. Opening certain
>>programs can be very slow — sometimes eight or nine seconds
>—

No other reviewers noted this, so I doubt it'll be any big deal.

>>and there’s no progress bar or hourglass to let you know
>that
>>it’s still working.
>
>>There’s no memory-card slot

Shame, but it isn't on the iphone either.

>>to expand the eight gigabytes of
>>storage, and no Visual Voicemail

Mneh. Might be nice, but either that restriction comes in on Sprint's end, or presumably they'll add it in a firmware update.

>>(where messages are listed
>>like e-mail). The ingenious universal search function
>>(searches your programs, address book and the Web
>>simultaneously) won’t look through your e-mail or calendars.

And that will almost certainly be added, at least as an option.

>>Finally, the Pre is not quite as simple as the iPhone. All
>>those extra features, by definition, mean that there’s more
>to
>>learn.

I'm an adult. Features > simplicity. Especially when simplicity is defined by the opinion of Steve Jobs.

>>So do the Pre’s perks (beautiful hardware and software,
>>compact size, keyboard, swappable battery, flash,
>>multitasking, calendar consolidation) outweigh its weak
>spots
>>(battery life, occasional sluggishness, ringer volume)?

You left out the "yes indeedy."

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/palms-pre-already-wins-the-wallet-wars/

Of the four, the Palm Pre incurred the lowest monthly cost. Assuming the handsets were operating under two-year contracts with unlimited data and voice plans, the Palm Pre cost just $100 each month. The G1 trailed the Pre with a monthly usage bill of $135 per month, but the BlackBerry Storm and iPhone were the biggest drains on the bank account, with each plan costing $150 per month.

*sigh* oh well I guess the palm pro will have to do.

It's decent for a WinMo phone.
And I don't have to foot the bill.
We should be seeing Pres come in soon.

70 bucks for 450 minutes and unlimited text and data doesn't seem at all exorbitant to me.

>
>70 bucks for 450 minutes and unlimited text and data doesn't
>seem at all exorbitant to me.

For that exact plan


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Then that explains both why people want to keep it and why Sprint wants to kill it.

for 40.00 a month I get

1. 500 anytime minutes

2. free nights and weekends starting at 7pm

3. unlimited text

4. first imcoming call minute free

5. unlimited internet

6. insurance


I've had the plan for 2 years now. Since moving in my apartment last June, I've been complaining to sprint about the bad reception so they gave me a free sprint airave and waived the 5.00 a month fee.

new york times, engadget, pcmag, WSJ, etc. etc.

webOS = amazing.

hardware = beautiful, although some negative buzz on the keyboard/plasticky feeling of phone. i'll just have to hold it to see.

Seeing as how it lacks concurrent data and voice streams, that's a major red flag right there. You show folks how dope your phone is, but can't check google maps while talking?

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

But I know it's a deal-breaker for some.
Plus it's just lame if I'm on a conf call but can't receive emails.
Especially lame if I get 3 emails of "We need the site back up ASAP!!!" "Where are you?!? The store isn't responding!!!" etc.

i didn't go by my sprint store tonight to see. i might swing by tomorrow morning just to check it out.

8am Sharp!!

I thought you were oblivious to the femme-ness of your username

lol @ the sig

So I'm hoping that means they can't open early, so I can get a little extra sleep.

But I kinda wish I'd called in advance just to be sure.

Now I'm waiting around for Best Buy or Radioshack to open. I'm sure nothing'll come of it, though.

Monday, though, for sure.

After waiting around in the mall for two hours, Best Buy had one phone. One phone. That would have been okay, considering that I thought I was the only person waiting. Unfortunately there were two entrances, and the other guy's entrance was closer to the phones.

Then Radioshack told me they wouldn't have any until next month.

So I'll be back to the Sprint store early on Monday. Maybe the upside is that I'll be able to get some work done this weekend instead of just playing with a phone.

We should have more in on Tuesday.

Shit is siiiiiiiick

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=8299797&mesg_id=8299797&page=

It's pretty cool. I like the card system and simultaneous programs. Right away there is one thing I do not like. On okayplayer I can't click on a post and instantly travel to that post. For this post, I had to scroll all the down to the bottom manually to see the most recent posts.

it now but they can still make it larger

The whole ATL area Radioshack's had 3 phones (they won't have phones in the majority of the store for a month)

Best Buy has limited supplies, I walked into Best Buy @10:15 am and they were sold out.

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Sprint doesn't care about existing users - the $200 offer won't be available to existing customers till February. You have to pay cost for the phone minus the mail in rebate.

The only reason I got it for $200 (after mail-in rebate) was because I had a $150 upgrade credit on my account.
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they announced that stores like best buy, radioshack, etc would only be receiving a limited supply with the majority of stock going to Sprint retail stores. or maybe they didn't officially announce that, but that info was out there days before the release.

And no more coming in for the foreseeable future.

But it's been known for quite some time that the average would be in the low single digits at Best Buys and even lower at Radioshack.

Sprint wants to get people into the Sprint stores to buy touchstones, car adapters, bluetooth headsets, holsters; the retail stores make a lot of money off of that shit.

This thing is pretty as a motherfucker.

The screen looks great. Camera seems pretty snappy too. Apparently he had no problem getting one.

apart from the travails listed above which were mostly my fault.

I guess that's the upside of near-zero advertising.

:( I got the $50 Sero plan and I'm getting put on this 59.99 Everything Plus plan. Bye-Bye Sero, we had something special....

therefore, i will keep this plan for life. but this phone is driving me CRAZY (stupid motorola q from hades!!!!)

i guess i'm stuck waiting for a good deal on ebay or something. *sigh*

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even if you cop from a third party like ebay.

the sprint computers are specifically configured not have a Pre signed on under an old SERO account. you'll need to change over to the $60 500min Everything Plus plan mentioned above at the minimum. but from what i've read in other forums, its not hard to switch over at all.

sucks because i'm on a $30 old SERO too and was eyeing that Pre. my only hope now is that the Touch Pro 2 is ok with old SERO so i can upgrade to that phone, but its looking unlikely.

As soon as the Palm is ready for EPRP, I'm switching up.

doesn't sprint realize that old sero plan holders are only hanging around for the great plan deal, but if we can't get decent phones, we will bounce, get iphones and be happy with our large phone bills?

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how annoying is it to have to turn the phone over to portrait view whenever you need to type something?

are you talking about?

Looks like Palm is planning to do what all the Apple haters were scared Apple was going to do. Kinda ironic. Yikes!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/

Palm webOS system upgrades mandatory; hacking scene forbidden from tethering

We've seen a tremendous explosion in the webOS hacking scene ever since the Pre's firmware image leaked out -- between the easily-accessible restore more, Linux foundations and the directly-accessible HTML / CSS / Javascript application code, we've already seen everything from minor tweaks to full on NES emulation to Sprint activation hacks. In short, things are wide open at the moment, and people (including us) are excited by the possibilities -- but that doesn't mean Palm has to play along. In fact, two recent developments have us worried for the future of this happy little scene -- first, Palm's apparently forbidding the Pre Dev Wiki from posting any information about data tethering during the Sprint exclusivity period, and apparently threatening to have the site shut down if it happens:

"We have been politely cautioned by Palm that any discussion of tethering during the Sprint exclusivity period (and perhaps beyond-we don't know yet) will probably cause Sprint to complain to Palm, and if that happened then Palm would be forced to react against the people running the IRC channel and this wiki."

Yeah, that's pretty aggro for a company that needs to court all the developer support it can. We're not sure what'll happen after Sprint's exclusivity runs out, but we can't imagine any other carriers are going to be thrilled about hacked tethering options either, so we'd say Palm's going to keep the pressure on until unlocked GSM webOS devices hit the scene -- and we can almost guarantee that tethering hacks are going to make it into the wild regardless of Palm's actions.

Even worse for hackers, Palm's taking an unusually aggressive approach to webOS system updates -- they're mandatory. According to the support docs, webOS updates are automatically downloaded in the background within two days of being available, and they're required to be installed within a week of the download -- after seven days and four install prompts, the phone will give you a ten-minute countdown and then automatically begin installing the update. Sure, we can understand why Palm would want all of its devices to be updated, and we know that a lot of webOS system foundations are in flux while the Mojo SDK is being finalized, but forced updates seem extremely heavy-handed to us -- it's one thing to try and maintain control over a platform, it's another to keep it with an iron fist. Of course, it's probable that we'll see a hack to bypass all of this extemely soon, so maybe it'll all work itself out, but we'd really like to see Palm develop an offical policy friendly towards hacking and homebrew and stick to it -- the Pre and webOS have attracted a lot of talent in the past two weeks, and it'd be a shame to lose it.

They made it easy for you to go off the beaten path.

that not to be the case.

Unless I really missed something.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/homebrew-pre-firmware-just-a-button-cable-away/

Homebrew Pre firmware just a button, cable away?

by Chris Ziegler, posted Jun 12th 2009 at 8:14PM

If you were to put the Pre on a scale of hacker friendliness from 1 to 10, where 1 is the iPhone (remember how long it took for the first jailbreaks back in the day?) and 10 is, say, OpenMoko, we're starting to get the impression that Palm's latest effort falls somewhere way past the 5 mark. We got out first hint that they're being good sports about letting developers play with the Konami code access to developer mode, and now we've got news that it's easy -- nay, trivial -- to run whatever firmware you'd like on the phone. It seems all you've got to do is hold down the volume up key when connecting the Pre to your computer via USB, then you can flash the phone 'til you're blue in the face; even better, the enterprising dev who found the trick says that it's mega simple to modify the stock build and he'd wiped out the activation check with minimal effort. This can only be good news for tweakers and anyone wanting to walk off the App Catalog's beaten path, and if this ultimately means we're a few solid steps closer to a Pre running WinMo 6.1, sign us up. Way up.

I don't think anybody would be upset about it if it wasn't a big deal.

Also, the point is that if the thing downloads in the background and automatically installs after a countdown, it could do it while you aren't paying attention to hold down any key.

You go into dev mode once, disable auto updates or install a modded firmware and you're done. No more background updates. You need to "remember" to hold down a button exactly once to do this.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/16/apple-says-itunes-syncing-only-for-apple-devices-looks-sternly/



Looks like Apple's response to the Pre's support for iTunes syncing is starting to take form -- a snippy little note titled "About unsupported third-party digital media players" was just posted to the company's support site. The money quote:

Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players.

Here's where it gets interesting: since the Pre identifies itself to iTunes as a bog-standard iPod, Apple would have to actively code in a USB node check to actually block syncing, which is just a little bit more aggressive than the "software changes over time" mentioned here. We'll see if Apple decides to engage in a cat-and-mouse with a company now run by the former head of the iPod division -- we've got a feeling this could get messy
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The keyboard is small. Or maybe my hands are just big.

patience.

at first).

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http://developer.palm.com/

I don't have it. I'm knee deep in Android and I barely have time for that. No need to tinker around in yet another dev environment.

by the time I get home from work I have about 20% or less of power left.
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Iheard that helps, I have'nt had it long enough to know

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Wish I would have seen this early, it even says on the menu "improves accuracy but can impact battery life"
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them

and using push email instead of pull, although with my volume it probably won't matter.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

The first few days were rough, when I was spending all my time on it. But now I can easily get a full day; maybe two if I pushed it. I'm actually pleasantly surprised with the battery these days.

my ocean went to the big ocean in the sky and I needed a replacement


so far I'm digging it.

the pandora app is really nice

cloud syncing of contacts is some next level shit - every phone should have this, but it revealed how poorly setup google contacts is, and the reality of how many dormant contacts there are on my aim list is suddenly revealed.

the keys on the keyboard are small and not well laid out, but that doesn't make it hard to type on, it's actually really easy to type accurately.

overall the design feels good, it's relatively small and light, the slider seems sturdy, it's pretty damn slick. I had trouble figuring out where to plug in the charger. the slide up top turns off notifications for rings and email, so you cna turn it off and still listen to pandora etc. without email and twitter notifications coming through.

had it about 8hours now, hard to say, but I like it right now.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/itunes-8-2-1-brings-pres-music-syncing-capability-to-a-halt/

Palm itself had warned that the Pre's iTunes sync functionality could be broken at a moment's notice (and at Apple's whim), but we're pretty sure no one expected it'd happen this quickly. Version 8.2.1 of the software apparently prevents the sync from working, meaning that you've got to add music the old-fashioned way -- the Pre functions as a USB drive, too -- until Palm gets around to patching the hack (if they decide to patch it, that is). This could end up being a protracted game of cat-and-mouse, which is entertaining to watch but nightmarish for the consumers down in the trenches actually trying to use this stuff. It's unclear whether Apple threw a banana peel under Palm's path on purpose, but it certainly seems that way, doesn't it? We're still confirming whether this is actually broken -- stay tuned.

I love it.

LMAO

honestly I thought they would had this update a lot sooner
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for antitrust cases. But who knows, maybe we'll get lucky.

As for whether Apple did this on purpose, I think it's pretty clear. The release notes explicitly say:

"iTunes 8.2.1 provides a number of important bug fixes and addresses an issue with verification of Apple Devices."


People shouldn't be using itunes anyway, though, so fuck em.

http://developer.palm.com/

I think I'mma actually try and write something.

what were you planning to make?

game? productivity?

I've never really written anything that isn't purely numerical (and therefore purely terminal-based) and purely C++. So it'll be a big learning experience.

The calculator that comes on the pre is absolute shit, and every once in a while I could use a better one. So I'm thinking about writing an RPN calculator. Assuming there are some reasonably acceptable math libraries to work with, it should be quite straightforward, just a few steps up from a Hello World.

The pre might not even have a floating point unit. Don't expect matlab out of the thing.

But the default calculator literally only adds, subtracts, multiplies, and divides. I recently discovered that there is a square root function, but you have to figure out how to get to it. So I'm hoping I can at least get trig functions and pows to work efficiently. Also, for the RPN heads like me, just adding an RPN interface would make it much more usable.

At any rate, it might just be something for me. If I ever wanted to put anything in the app catalog I'd have to go back and look through the IP contracts I signed when I started working at my current university. There are some restrictions on "commercial software." I think if I do all the work in my free time on my home computers it'd be fine, but it might all be a headache I'd rather just avoid.

http://gizmodo.com/5317216/palm-webos-mojo-sdk-sadly-impotent-badass-games-are-impossible

iPhone developer Craig Hunter confirms some of our fears about Palm's entirely web-language based Mojo SDK for WebOS—it's weak sauce, with pitiful access to the Pre's powerful hardware.

Hunter mentions two pain points in particular that are deathblow to gaming and other sophisticated applications that require significant graphical juice (granted, Palm was more or less open from the start that games wouldn't be a priority at first). Developers can't use OpenGL ES to the tap the Pre's graphics hardware. For an idea of what a big deal OpenGL access is, see our posts spanking over everything the iPhone 3GS can do with OpenGL 2.0 that the original iPhone and 3G can't. Basically, anything requiring hardware graphics acceleration is screwed if it goes through the Mojo SDK, since they can't use OpenGL at all. (There are, of course, unofficial paths.)

The other gimpage, which is somewhat inexplicable, is that Palm limits polling of accelerometer data to 4Hz, or 4 samples a second—Hunter says you need at least 20Hz for "smooth inputs" and 50-100Hz for apps like his own gMeter iPhone app, which measures stuff like velocity and acceleration. So it's nearly useless.

Palm actually shoots itself in the foot two ways with a weak SDK. First, it limits developers who choose to make apps for the platform. Second, it pushes away devs who might be interested, like Hunter, who points out the very real opportunity Palm has to lure programmers away from the massively overcrowded App Store with the promise of a virgin ecosystem.

And we've still got a couple of months before Palm's App Catalog really opens. Which, even granting Palm's moving along quicker than Apple did after the original iPhone, they should be jumping at every possible advantage they can get to grow their ecosystem if they want to really claw their way into a mobile space that's not just increasingly crowded, but one where Apple's shadow seems to grow a little bit longer everyday.

Well, coming off a Nextel, this phone is the shiznit. Using it for a day, you get an idea of what rocks, what sucks, and what may be able to get fixed.

What sucks? No storage card slot. 8gb might do it for most people, but give us the option, even if we have to open the battery door to get it. Battery life SUCKS. You will be charging this every 24 hours or less. Very limited support for video codecs, so all my .avi, .wmv, dvix, etc files can't be read. While it has a .pdf reader, you can't download links to a .pdf (or any file, really) from a website. No onscreen keyboard. No Flash, so no Hulu, etc. And strangely enough, for all the things this phone can do, making calls isn't one of it's strong points. Irony, thy name is Pre. The most irksome thing for me is the charge jack is on the right side, making it cumbersome to use while charging. If I have it plugged up in the car, it ALWAYS turns upside down as if the phone knows this jack should have been on the left. Maybe a panel of left handed people made that call.

What rocks? The feel of the phone really is slick. It just feels good in your hands, not too big, small, or heavy. It would be nice if the next one was made from aluminum, but that could drive up the price and I wonder how hot it would get (it already gets pretty warm charging). The screen is super sharp. While I prefer a landscape keyboard, this one does the trick, even with fat thumbs like I have. The interface is miles above WiMo 6.1 (being able to flick stuff away is really nice), and multitasking works very well. Being able to stream Pandora, carry on a SMS chat and keep a website up at the same time and not lose anything when a call comes in really is impressive. And the Simply Data plan may be the best thing going

I'm pretty sure a lot of software things, like the video player, attachment support, onscreen keyboard, etc, can be taken care of between OTA updates and 3rd party apps once they get rolling. Being 1st gen and software, you can tell there were some things that could have / should have been added given the time. It may not be for everyone, and it's not an iPhone killer, but it doesn't need to be and never was intended to be. For my money, it's the best phone for me, and I"m glad I didn't get that Touch Pro (my next choice).

More to come as the days go on. NOt to charge this thing...

"no on-screen keyboard"?

If you're browsing something in landscape mode,yiu don't want to flip the phone back over to open it to type something. They should at least give the option. But that's something that can be fixed through firmware

if something requires me to type. i use it to view pictures better and read a lot of text, like an article.

turn off everything in location services except use GPS

obv turn screen down, turn off time to 30 seconds

LOG OUT OF IM

you're always logged in if its on and its bugged and drawing more power than it should

only use push e-mail if you can (gmail)

those settings equals 80% batter life still after 12 hours with (very) light browsing, emails popping in constantly and a couple phone calls


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I dissappointed by the lack of microsd slot

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Recycle your e-waste, please.

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>Think Different.

*snickers*

hopefully they launch more apps soon


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on this joint,

maybe i'm wrong. i'm not getting one till september.

wut is the point if you cant video record i can play videos but if i want to make a video of my own i cant.

From the weak apps catolog to the wack battery life, to not being able to video recorder the Treo 755p is killin this phone still

>From the weak apps catolog
-Apple catalog wasn't that deep at the beginning either, have some patience.

>to the wack battery life
-you know you can change the battery, right? but yeah, this does suck.

>to not being able to video recorder
-i don't think they ever said the Pre could record video did they?

>the Treo 755p is killin this phone still
-i know you're a little upset, but let's not get crazy. even with it's faults, it's not even close. the Pre isn't even two months old.

>>From the weak apps catolog
>-Apple catalog wasn't that deep at the beginning either, have
>some patience.

^^^^^exactly

>>to the wack battery life
>-you know you can change the battery, right? but yeah, this
>does suck.

check around the web to see what the tips there are to increase battery life. rjcc posted some in this thread too i believe.

>>to not being able to video recorder
>-i don't think they ever said the Pre could record video did
>they?

yeah, dude can't be mad at Palm if he didn't research the phone he was buying. that's his L to take if video recording is so important. me personally could care less about video recording on a phone.

>>the Treo 755p is killin this phone still
>-i know you're a little upset, but let's not get crazy. even
>with it's faults, it's not even close. the Pre isn't even two
>months old.
>

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/

webOS SDK bemoaned by iPhone developer as Palm seeks game API engineers

by Thomas Ricker, posted Jul 20th 2009 at 5:43AM

Palm's webOS has never been a platform to stir the interest of the casual gamer. While there are many advantages to being built around HTML, JavaScript, and CSS, those tools don't excite game developers who need direct access to advanced graphics hardware to render animations smoothly. Unfortunately, as described by Craig A. Hunter, a self proclaimed "pretty dedicated iPhone developer" who's been poking around the WebOS SDK, Palm does not provide the environment to develop serious games or the kind of sophisticated apps users now expect from their handhelds. Chief among his concerns is lack of OpenGL access despite the hardware supporting it. Palm also limits devs to a 4Hz sampling of raw accelerometer data, far short of the 20Hz minimum required for games utilizing tilt control. In his summation:

"With such amazing software capabilities flourishing on the iPhone, Palm can't afford to wait a year while they make the transition from web apps to native apps in their SDK. Palm might have had a chance against the 2007 Apple SDK, but not the 2009 version. Not even close. With this limitation, webOS will not be taken seriously by consumers who place importance on games or sophisticated third party apps."

Of course Palm, now with its deep Apple roots isn't blind to the issue. In fact, the kids at PreCentral have uncovered a Palm job listing from June 29th seeking Game Frameworks Engineers who will "design, implement, debug, and optimize frameworks for game development." So while the beta release of the webOS SDK might be limited, we'll key on the word beta for now. Remember, Super Monkey Ball wasn't built in a day -- it took a bit more than 365 of them before being offered after the launch of the original iPhone.

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"So while the beta release of the webOS SDK might be limited, we'll key on the word beta for now. Remember, Super Monkey Ball wasn't built in a day -- it took a bit more than 365 of them before being offered after the launch of the original iPhone."

Word? Didn't the media and Apple haters ride the iPhone because of missing features like this and video recording, but now that the Pre can't do it we should just wait a little? I thought the argument was that other phones have already been doing this stuff, so new phones that come out should do it as well.

Cuz when Apple does some dumb shit (ie the last iPod Shuffle), even Apple fanboys go in.

#1 - I didn't write that, don't ask me about "a reason for the passes"

#2 - we've gone in palm before

#3 - seriously? mentioning that it takes time for a platform to mature is a pass?

if this were a comparison iphone 3gs vs palm pre faceoff then that's on thing, but it isn't.

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I'm talkin about the passes in general, not just this one. I’m not even trying to personalize it on some Engadget shit; tech media in general seems to be letting palm get away with stuff that they railed on Apple about.


>#3 - seriously? mentioning that it takes time for a platform
>to mature is a pass?
>if this were a comparison iphone 3gs vs palm pre faceoff then
>that's on thing, but it isn't.

Yeah, but the thing is they brought up Apple and the iPhone specifically, meanwhile ignoring the fact that everybody was saying the webapps sucked.

and, webos is at least slightly different from iphones webapps, and if you'll recall reality for a second, niggas acted like those didn't suck for a long time. I really don't see the point in demanding the pre be strung up by its chipset for not yet doing something it...said it wasn't going to do

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://www.apple.com

Think Different.

Recycle your e-waste, please.

:)

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/palm-webos-1-1-now-available-fixes-itunes-sync/

Palm webOS 1.1 now available, fixes iTunes 8.2.1 syncing

by Ross Miller, posted Jul 23rd 2009 at 7:10PMBreaking News
Time to update your Pre, Palm's just released webOS 1.1.0. Quite a bit of changes here, but most importantly, the patch notes say that it "resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (8.2.1)" -- that issue, of course, being a blockade put in place by Apple just one week ago. Oh yeah, it's on. In addition, we've got emoticons and Exchange support now, and its 31st app, NFL Mobile Live for watching games and audio from the device. There's also talk of a new gesture, swiping left to right to move forward through web pages, but really it's no different that scrolling the browser up in landscape mode. Everything else is pretty boring by comparison -- looks like that leaked update list was dead on. So when should we expect to see iTunes 8.2.2, eh Apple?

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

http://blog.palm.com/palm/2009/07/palm-webos-11-enhances-support-for-enterprise-and-beyond.html

"Oh, and one more thing: Palm webOS 1.1 re-enables Palm media sync. That’s right -- you once again can have seamless access to your music, photos and videos from the current version of iTunes (8.2.1)."

Rumor has it a big drop in the apps store is due in the next week or so. Hope that's teh case. Homebrew is outpacing it 3:1. While I don't need all the homebrew apps, some show promise, even with the phone only 2-3 months old. Being able to download homebrew OTA with FileCoaster is great, and My Notification and Switcheroo make up for the Pre not being able to specify sounds for notifications and e-mails and allows changing the wallpaper automatically, which is nice (and yes, it should have done that natively, but it is what it is for now). The remotes they have for MinAmp, WMP and Itunes show promise, but really aren't more than neat tricks until you can pull up a playlist or specific song from the phone. Being able to stream Pandora to my stereo thru Bluetooth though? Sweeeeeeet....

b/w

Pre Central has been a good spot to get themes for the phone. If you have some knowledge of Linux and can gain root access (or are patient and can just follow instructions), you can tweak a bunch of stuff, I've managed to redo my dialer and some of the launch icons without a whole lot of fuss. Unfortunately, I've got to do it from a command line session since my terminal access doesn't seem to be working, but with a little time, I've been able to tweak it to my liking. There is a lot more you can do to access other features (like enabling Amazon downloads over EVDO, not just WiFi), but I've no grasp on how Linux works, and really don't want to screw anything up.

I like what the phone can do almost as much as I like the POTENTIAL for what it can do. Yes the phone works very well, and the OS is nice, but there are things that seem like they would be common sense to have if they weren't trying to rush it out the foor to meet the deadline. If Palm has a big push to get the developers behind it, it's got some serious potential to be a big player in the market (and more so if/when they license WebOS). Even if it doesn't get the push it deserves, the Homebrew community looks like they will be able to come up with some very nice stuff to fill in the gaps or even expand it if Palm and company fall on their face.

I do wonder how much Sprint paid to be the exclusive carrier for the time. If this was on, say Verizon, it would be the shiznit (although I could see the Big Red V neutering it with it's VCast bullshit and locking out wifi)

What are the good accessories? Protection, holsters, etc.

http://www.precentral.net/

There are a couple of extended life batteries listed in their accessory section. Plus you can get "unofficial" apps here too, there are about 200 so far.
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not a bad thing really...i never used wifi on my work treo, winmo makes this treo pro stink. There are some videos, so hit the link to check em out.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/09/the-palm-pixi-is-official-headed-to-sprint-this-holiday-season/

The Palm Pixi has officially arrived, and if you're an avid reader of Engadget (you'd better be), this device should look a little bit familiar to you. We first broke specs and images of the phone -- codenamed Eos and the alternately-spelled "Pixie" -- back in April, when we nabbed what appeared to be a leak of a new, Centro-esque phone headed to AT&T. Today, Palm has announced that the Pixi -- a tiny, sleek webOS-based handset -- will be coming to Sprint this holiday season. The phone will hit shelves sans-WiFi (EV-DO Rev. A only here), with 8GB of storage onboard (a nice bump up from the rumored 4GB), 2 megapixel camera (with flash), a full QWERTY keyboard, and a minute, 2.63-inch, 320 x 400 capacitive display (guess they didn't get that HTC memo).

Along with the new handset, Palm will offer five artist-designed back covers in the "Palm Pixi Artist Series" -- similar to Zune Originals and Dell's Design Studio laptops -- which can be purchased separately... of course. Touchstone owners take heart: those backs, as well as a separate black backing that you'll also pay extra for, are all compatible with the accessory. In addition to the hardware, Palm will be introducing a native Facebook app when the Pixi hits, as well as new Yahoo! and LinkedIn integration for Synergy. Right now no date for launch has been set, though Palm says the phone will be ready in time for the holidays. The company is also mum on price, but coupled with the news that Sprint will be slimming the Pre's entry point down to $149.99, we have to assume it's going to be in the $99-or-less ballpark. We had a chance to play around with the new phone, so read on after the break for our initial, early impressions.

Gallery: Palm Pixi hands-on



Gallery: Palm Pixi official shots






Palm is still tweaking the device, so we aren't making any final judgments on the Pixi -- though what we saw is mostly heartening.

For starters, the phone is really quite handsome. In terms of industrial design, the clean lines and smart choices in materials belie the Pixi's likely price-point. In your hands it feels solid, though it's shocking just how tiny it is. The standard backing is a soft-touch material (not unlike the Touchstone back for the Pre), and perhaps due to the lack of moving parts here, the phone feels really well put together. Just as with the Pre, the Pixi includes a ringer on / off switch and 3.5mm headphone jack, as well as a removable 1150mAh battery.

The body of the phone is -- as we said -- very small, but the thickness is where it really struts its stuff... or lack of stuff. The Pixi is just 0.43-inches thick. To put that in perspective, the iPhone 3GS is 0.48-inches -- which means anyone who has complaints about sliding a handset into their pocket should be swooning.




Instead of a center button, Palm has made the middle of the gesture area (part of its capacitive coating) take on the duty. The target is represented by a small, white slit, and the same gestures that webOS is known for seem to work flawlessly around it. While the screen gets 80 pixels lopped off compared with the Pre (and the iPhone, G1, Hero, and Storm, to name a few), it looked clean and crisp to us. The responsiveness on the main part of the display was just as tight -- if not tighter -- than the Pre, and that's a plus. Of course, webOS makes clever use of the cramped space by squashing card and app sizes down to fit. It's a tremendous example of the UI's literal scalability.




The QWERTY keyboard on the Pixi was also a bit of a shocker -- even though the keys are tiny and tightly spaced, it's definitely usable. The reps we spoke with noted that due to the candybar form factor and lack of a sliding mechanism, they were able to get more height on the keys. Besides the more pronounced buttons, the Pixi's keyboard seemed to have a more tactile click than that of the Pre, and honestly, we might have liked the Pixi's variation better.

Inside, the phone is powered by a completely different CPU than its big brother. In this case, Palm chose to use the Qualcomm MSM7627, a smaller chip which enabled them to mint the micro form factor. The CPU itself isn't dramatically different than the 7200 series, though it is noticeably less charged than the TI OMAP3 chip in the Pre. Regardless of what's cranking the gears, the phone seemed pretty snappy when it was demoed for us (you can see it in action in the videos below). We did notice a few hangups during big image scaling and heavy webpages, but again, this is early software on an early device.









All in all, we walked away impressed by the Pixi, but a little bummed that Palm has chosen to bring another webOS device to Sprint. Here's hoping that this proliferation means the Pre will be finding its way to other carriers soon -- part of Palm's strength right now is that it's not locked into a long term Apple / AT&T situation, and it would be a shame not to take full advantage of that. Still, it's always nice to see a quality handset joining the smartphone ranks, and if this pans out to be as cheap as we think it should be, Palm could find themselves making a lot of new friends... Centro style.

Come out with a highend handset for the fanboys out there. Next drop an entry level model for everyone else.

minus the redundant windows/outlook keys

So Palm now has matching hardware for the old guard (Treo Pro / Centro) and the new regime (Pre / Pixi). No wifi does blow (one reason I didn't go with a Crackberry), but it looks like it could work.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/09/palm-pixi-top-1.jpg

as long as you have an everything data plan (like it is required on the palm pre). Minutes now only count when calling a landline

http://anymobile.sprint.com/

bout freakin time

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/10/with_itunes_9_apple_again_disables_palm_pre_sync.html

Presumably for this very reason.

there are alternatives to Itunes though
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why the fuck do they seemingly purposely drop shit in the same press cycle as Apple? I could get the challenge if they had an actual foothold in the marketplace but the fact that they're depending on this line of phones to keep the company afloat defies comprehension.

fucking idiots.

sad thing is that there aren't many phones that can offer a decent challenge to the iPhone and this is one of them. Wouldn't it be smarter to step out of Apple's press cycle, in the beginning, to get decent footing?

nothing to add, i just agree.

>why the fuck do they seemingly purposely drop shit in the
>same press cycle as Apple? I could get the challenge if they
>had an actual foothold in the marketplace but the fact that
>they're depending on this line of phones to keep the company
>afloat defies comprehension.
>
>fucking idiots.
>
>sad thing is that there aren't many phones that can offer a
>decent challenge to the iPhone and this is one of them.
>Wouldn't it be smarter to step out of Apple's press cycle, in
>the beginning, to get decent footing?
>
>

How about that, iphoners?

http://www.precentral.net/app-catalog-gets-google-voice-app-and-much-more

it would take more then an App we'll eventually get to make me regret the best tech purchase I've purchased in my 34 years of existence.

Really? The iphone? The best tech purchase in your entire life? This kind of hyperbole is why nobody likes apple nuts.

Installing it now.

Here is what is included in update:

http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/pre/p100eww/sprint/solutions/article/50607_en.html#12


Amazon MP3
• Downloads - Support Amazon MP3 over WAN (not just WiFi)
• Reboot Error Fixed - Device will no longer reboot while attempting to download music when there was not available user memory.

App Catalog
• Purchases - App Catalog updated to support purchasing apps

Bluetooth
• Car Kit Support - There is a "Send all to Car Kit" option in the Contacts Application now
• Improved Reception - Static and crackles reduced: 2008 Infinity, Sony Headset
• Better pairing - Many Bluetooth pariing issues are fixed

Browser
• Bookmarks Backup - Automatic Backup & Restore of web browser bookmarks
• History Backup - Automatic Backup & Restore of web browser history
• Download files - Download files in browser including PDF's
• Forms Field Zoom - Web Browser auto zooms to fit form fields
• Form Capitalization Error fixed - First character typed in a form field is no longer capitalized
• Links - New Orange-tap link options: Open in New Card, Share Link, and Copy URL
• Save Images - Orange+Click on an JPG or PNG image for options to Open in New Card, Share Link, Copy URL, Share Image, or Copy to Photos
• Smoother - Selecting text and scrolling through text boxes is smoother, more accurate, and selects full words now
• Select Text - Shift-Tap and drag over text or tap another area to expand selection
• Select Image - Shift-Tap select an image
• Copy Text - Gesture-C copies any text or photos, etc. that are selected.

Calendar
• Colors - Calendar now has preference setting for "Calendar View Options" to set the color of your calendars and to show them in the "All Calendars" view.
• Dial Phone - Capability has been added to dial phone numbers from a calendar notes field.
• Dup Fixed - When editing or creating a calendar event and toggling to another application before saving the event, the event will no longer be duplicated.
• Google Sync Fixed - On Google calendar, all day events that are changed to timed events on a computer are now properly updated.
• Remove Fixed - If a cancellation is received for an event and the user selects "Remove from Calendar", the event is now removed from the device and desktop.
• Snooze Fixed - If a calendar event is snoozed then moved to a future time, the event notification will now appear at the proper time.

Clock
• SMS Fixed - If the device receives a notification alert (for example an SMS), a clock alarm would not play unless the notification alert was dismissed.
• Turn Off Alarm - "Play Alarm Anyway" On/Off when mute switch is on - under preference under "Ring Switch Off".

Contacts
• Auto-linking Fixed - Improved auto-linking of contacts
• Find Linked - When two contacts were linked (one with a last name and one without) you will now be able to find them in SMS and email.
• Send Contact - Send to options are Car Kit, MMS, and Email are now available when a contact is open.

Email
• Select Text - Shift and tap and drag over text to select or tap another area to expand selected area.
• Copy Text - Gesture-C copies any text or photos, etc. that are selected.
• Dups Fixed - If large attachments are sent in an e-mail, the e-mail is no longer sent twice.
• Manual Sync Fixed - When setting email sync time to manual the device will no longer automatically sync the email accounts.
• Play audio - WAV's now play directly from email(though I can't figure out how to save them)
• Save Images - Save PNG images as well as JPG's - Hold the Orange key and tap the image
• Filter - Email Search Filter, though it only searches subject and sender right now
• Search - Find-as-you-type search support in Email

General
• Copy fixed - Enhanced copy feature added to browser and email (shift key + tap and drag to select text).
• Faster - Speed increases across the board, notifications are much snappier - Updated Mojo framework (200.18) on 1.1 it was 191.15
• GPS Location Services - expanded to include Google Services
• Reboots Faster - Reboot time seems to have improved though it is still slow to reboot.
• PNG Images - Supports PNG as well as jpg images
• Lock Screen - When you get an incoming call the number now shows up at the top of the locked screen instead of the bottom (so it's not hidden by the "slide up to answer" button anymore.)
• Select All - Select All option in Edit menu
• Battery Indicator - While charging, the battery indicator now only is green when the phone is fully charged.

Memopad
• Fixed - Memopad is now back to single click to move the cursor

Messaging
• Contacts - No more having to manually link AIM contacts to people if you already have that AIM name in the Google profile
• Copy All - Option in Menu to Copy All - but not the Enhanced copy (shift key + tap and drag to select text).

Music Player
• Notification - While the screen is locked you can now tap Previous, Next, Play, or Pause from the Music Player notification.

Notifications
• Picture - Text Notifications now include a contact picture
• LED Notification - Center button can flash on alert but commented out. . Description - see video

Phone
• Alerts fixed - Sound alerts while on a call no longer deafen you
• Data Usage - Phone settings now have a switch to turn on or off "Data Usage"
• Better Layout - Speaker, Mute, Key Pad, and Add Call buttons moved away from Hang Up button
• Number Displays - During a call, phone number is now displayed along with extension type (Work, Home, etc.)
• Faster - Dialer is snappy, minimal to no lag on anything
• PRL fixed - Update PRL in Phone Preferences now displays "updating PRL" correctly.
• Ringtone - The default Pre Ringtone has changed
• Sync fixed - Photo Albums sync via Media Sync

Podcasts
• Podcasts Fixed - Resume support for podcasts and long songs

Syncing
• Fixed - Syncing issue with personal accounts has been resolved

Tasks
• Properties Fixed - Certain properties of tasks that can be set via the computer (but not displayed on the device) will no longer be deleted on the server.
• Sort Options added - Option to sort in "My Order" (how things were entered), by due date, or priority.

Universal Search
• Paste Fixed - If you are on the main screen or launcher.. in you press gesture+v to paste, it will start a global search with whatever you pasted.
• Synonyms - Improved global search to catch synonyms. For example, "Movies" brings up YouTube and Videos.
• Contacts - If the search finds one of your contacts, it will now offer to add a reminder for that contact.

vCards
• Enabled - Send/Receive vCards via the contacts application (tap left menu drop down)

WiFi
• Instead of EvDO - Can now disable Data(EVDO) and use WiFi in conjunction with standard voice service(Major battery saver)

Apps
• Classic - MotionApps has stated the HotSync will be enabled with webOS 1.2.
• Facebook - The full Facebook page now saves your login info and auto zooms to text boxes.
• LinkedIin - LinkedIn enhancements claimed by Sprint but not found yet.
• Sprint Navigation - Option to view driving instruction list.
• Yahoo Finance Real-time updates on Yahoo Finance now work properly.

i just ordered one, well two actually. i should have it on wednesday.

Getting my Pre this week... can't wait to start checking out some of the homebrew apps out there.

I haven't updated 1.2 yet and just wondering

But if youinstalled any themes, be prepared to reinstall them, as they all get wiped after the update. You also may want to back up the new original files before putting your themes back. Since they resized the phone icons a bit, some of the theme icons are a little off.

*shrugs*.... fuck Itunes

from the palm blog:

http://blog.palm.com/

You can expect an automatic over-the-air update to webOS 1.2 over the next few days, and you can find more info on the update in the release notes on the Palm website.

perhaps that'll have some of the items that were rumored to be in this update, like iTunes fix, LED notifications, copy/paste from the web

i've always hated itunes. aren't there better programs to transfer music on the pre?

so it's in Palm's best interest to make it as easy as possible to sync that way.

Really, any semi-serious user already knows many ways to sync music and video to the phone and NEVER use itunes. But, they lised it as a feature, so they have to figure out gow to keep it for those too lazy or scared to use something else.

If they do fix it with the next update, and it happens to be in the next few days, why didn't they just wait?

It turns every story about new versions of itunes into a story also about the pre. It also helps remind people how far Apple's strayed from their "think different" philosophy.

>Really, any semi-serious user already knows many ways to sync
>music and video to the phone and NEVER use itunes.

Also, with over-the-air purchase from Amazon (now even over the cellular network), most users never need to sync with anything at all.

>But, they
>lised it as a feature, so they have to figure out gow to keep
>it for those too lazy or scared to use something else.

I don't know if they have to. They've clearly put up a good fight, and they've clearly made the case to the Pre users that this is about Apple breaking itunes functionality, not about Palm breaking Pre functionality.

>If they do fix it with the next update, and it happens to be
>in the next few days, why didn't they just wait?

Word is they had the fix ready two hours after the Itunes update came out. Maybe they're holding off for a little while to haggle with the USB-IF, assuming they even care about the USB-IF.

Possibly Pre related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdVzboF2E2Q&feature=player_embedded

eff an itunes.

I really enjoyed using it back during the Windows days. Other players need to catch up.

its just as easy to add music/video through windows explorer.


My point was Apple's and Palms tit-for-tat fight over this dumb shit. Again, fuck Itunes

Now supports photo album sync in itunes as well.

http://www.precentral.net/webos-121-re-hacks-itunes-support-brings-photo-album-synchronization


Now we see just how far Apple is willing to go. Palm is now spoofing USB vendor, manufacturer, and product IDs. There doesn't seem to be any easy way left for Apple to block the Pre. Supposedly all they could do now involves manually checking serial numbers or breaking the compatibility of 5g and earlier ipods.

The worst that could happen is that the USB Implementers Forum asks them to remove the USB logo from the box, and Palm clearly doesn't seem to mind that possibility.

Besides, Apple doesn't want to open the can of worms that would follow from trying to legally enforce their monopolistic practices.

Previous to this fix you couldn't connect to iTunes for a while right? How were you putting music on while waiting on that 'fix'? Are you happy with the overall file management on the Pre?

I'm curious because of it's lack of any software management tool (to my knowledge) the Pre is starting to seem more bootleg everyday (though I may be wrong and misunderstood).

You don't need any software. Like all good media players, it works as a USB mass storage device. You can just connect it to any computer, copy whatever files you want to it just as if it were an external hard disk or flash drive, and when you disconnect it it automatically finds the files and indexes them for the relevant applications.

That said, if you want them, there are (from what I hear) good file syncing options if you want them. DoubleTwist, Salling Sync, The Missing Sync, and presumably more on the way.

>I may be wrong and misunderstood


iTunes isn't needed AT ALL. If on a PC, windows explorer (drag & drop/ copy & paste) works very well. IMO it's better than fucking with iTunes. This only reason iTunes is brought up is because Apple is being a bitch.

I wanted to see if there was a organized way of putting things on your Pre. Guess the iTunes coverage had me confused.

Drag and drop is old school, but works as well as anything. You could ude another 3rd party program like MediaMonkey, DoubleTwist (I think even WMP works). If you start hacking the phone a bit, you can even send stuff wirelessly with WinSCP.

I think the Itunes bit is important to them only because a majority of the public already have it, use it, and know it. If they don't need another program to put media on the phone, it eases the transition from an Apple device to the Pre. I can't say how they're doing it is right, or that it's even that necessary (I've never once used Itunes on mine). But I can see their reasoning and admire they're guts to continue supporting a feature they advertised. Now, whether it's a wise decision in the end only time will tell

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/05/flash-10-1-announced-for-just-about-anything-with-a-screen-webo/

will be nice to have flash on the pre

https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_flashplayer10_signup


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If you want to distribute non-open source apps then you're looking at a $100 a year fee. Plus on top of that, you pay $50 for each app you upload to their catalog. Not cool, Palm.

At least you're not forced to be in their store.

that are flooding the iphone app store, plus you giure they don't have nearly the resources to filter through them that apple does.

I don't see a problem with the way they're doing it, if you don't want to deal with them, you don't have to, but you won't be able to sell apps on the device.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

had mine a week and i love it so far. only $99 from amazon.

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

1) i don't know if the deal is still going
2) i try not to shop at walmart if possible
3) even so, i did price compare with them and when i added a second phone only the first one came up at 79.99, the second one would only price at full price (i have a family plan). so with shipping it was way more than the deal i got at amazon.

that's another plus with amazon, best buy, etc is that they do instant $100 rebate instead of having to wait.

PALM -27%
:(

target price = 0...
not looking good.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/19/technology/palm_target_price_zero/index.htm

First WebOS phone being available on Sprint = fail

Waiting for the Droid being available before droppin on Verizon = double fail

Not being available for GSM users = triple fail

Almost a case of so close, yet so far

In the future we will all be either RIM, Apple or Google. Maybe Nokia, if they get on the ball(sales are good, but the OS is still in the stone age).

Hopefully RIM will buy Palm.

or Apple. OR HTC AHEM! GET THOSE PATENTS THUN!

Unfortunately, it's too Linuxy even for me.

Nokia needs carrier support.

MeeGo?

im thinking fail. Making it open source seems like a half-ass move of trying to replicate Android. It's kinda sad it's born out of two separate projects; so I wonder how robust+ready it will be when it comes out considering their competitors had years of tweaking their own OS's.

Im still back to them buying up WebOS and just throwing in on their phones, lol.

HA!

and this gloomy weather got me all ennui, players.

http://gizmodo.com/5497530/youd-be-crazy-to-buy-a-palm-now

Leverage it's IP portfolio against Apple in the brewing patent wars.

Or RIM could buy it to finally join the rest of the smartphone community in next gen OSes.

I nominate myself for VP of Europe.

They got the Hardware and OS right but missed out on the software and apps department.

The OS is really, really good. If Palm goes the Sega route and just licenses the software and gets out of the hardware business, so be it (even if that goes against damn near everything they've done). I really believe, given the opportunity, WebOS can survive an t hrive, even with the Iphone, Windows7, Androis and S60 (or the new hotness Nokia has out) etc. It really is a polished, workable, multitasking OS that people can do a lot with, provided they give it a chance. If WebOS was running on a Drois, or HD2, you could cancel Christmas...

...given that the few shortcomings of the Pre seems to be hardware related. Took them more then afew months after they first premiered the thing in CES, some complaints about device quality, specs is already behind current gen OS' (iPhone 3GS, Nexus One, Moto Droid, HD2) is running, and them being too ignorant towards making it available & compatible with GSM (imo THE key reason why their flirting with doing a death spiral)

If someone was to buy them my nomination would go to HTC

in the rest of the world, just not on ATT and TMO yet.

http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/238141-b-optimized-webos-1-4-kernel-video-wosqi-720mhz-800-mhz-easy-install-b.html

i just installed it and there is a definite difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdMEllAKrcc&feature=youtu.be

this is not a joke. check it out for yourselves

(http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/01/verizon-mobile-hotspot-on-webos-devices-now-free/)

on top of that, they have a buy one get one free deal going

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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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I'm too much of a phone collector to fuck with Verizon tho.

damn its a firesale. these prices are wow.

how appropriate for me to bring this thread full circle haha

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNDFY8m7vaSg&pos=5

April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone, put itself up for sale and is seeking bids for the company as early as this week, according to three people familiar with the situation.

The company is working with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Frank Quattrone’s Qatalyst Partners to find a buyer, said the people, who declined to be identified because the sale isn’t public. Taiwan’s HTC Corp. and China’s Lenovo Group Ltd. have looked at the company and may make offers, said the people.

Palm shares surged 32 percent last week on renewed speculation that the Sunnyvale, California-based company would get a takeover bid. Before the rally, the stock had plunged more than 60 percent this year, dragged down by disappointing sales of the Pre and Pixi phones. Chief Executive Officer Jon Rubinstein, who developed Palm’s latest operating system, was counting on the devices to attract customers and restore its status as an industry pioneer.

Palm, which has a market value of $870.8 million, could help its new owner vie with North American smartphone providers Apple Inc., maker of the iPhone, and Research In Motion Ltd., which sells the BlackBerry. Palm’s devices also compete with phones running Google Inc.’s Android software, and its patent holdings span mobile hardware, software and power-saving technologies.

Lynn Fox, a Palm spokeswoman, declined to comment. Qatalyst’s Sally Palmer and Goldman Sach’s Andrea Rachman didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. Chen Hui-Ming, the chief financial officer of HTC, declined to confirm or deny the company’s interest in Palm.

Lenovo, Dell

Wong Wai Ming, finance chief at Lenovo, also declined to comment on the company’s acquisition plans. In January, Lenovo paid $200 million to purchase Lenovo Mobile Communication Technology Ltd., letting it re-enter the market for handsets. The company had sold the mobile-phone unit in 2008 to focus on personal computers.

Dell Inc. also looked at Palm, though it decided against an offer, according to two of the people. Jess Blackburn, a spokesman for the Round Rock, Texas-based computer maker, didn’t respond to a call for comment.

Palm rose 51 cents, or 11 percent, to $5.16 on April 9 in Nasdaq Stock Market trading.

Ups and Downs

For Elevation Partners, the investment firm that owns about 30 percent of Palm, a sale would cap a 16-month roller-coaster ride in which the shares surged more than 10-fold before erasing most of the gain.

After Palm introduced the Pre at the Consumer Electronics Show in January 2009, the stock jumped 80 percent in two days to $5.96. By September, the shares had climbed as high as $17.46.

The stock then dropped 79 percent over the next six months as Palm’s sales growth was outpaced by marketing costs, and the company lost market share to Apple and Google. Palm has posted 11 straight quarterly losses.

Founded in 1992, Palm helped pioneer the market for handheld organizers with its PalmPilot devices. The company was acquired by U.S. Robotics, which was in turn purchased by 3Com Corp. 3Com spun off Palm in 2000.

Rubinstein joined the company after leading development of Apple’s best-selling iPod media player. He was recruited to Palm by Fred Anderson, Apple’s former finance chief and a co-founder of Elevation Partners.

The Pre was Palm’s first phone based on the WebOS operating system. It debuted in June 2009, followed by the smaller, cheaper Pixi in November. The phones let users send e-mail, surf the Web, stream video and run multiple applications at the same time.

Both devices were sold in the U.S. exclusively by Sprint Nextel Corp., the country’s third-largest carrier, until Verizon Wireless began offering enhanced versions in January.

To contact the reporters on this story: Serena Saitto in New York at ssaitto@bloomberg.net; Ari Levy in San Francisco at alevy5@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: April 11, 2010 23:54 EDT

just get webOS on some nice handsets and i'll be happy.

HTC gonna eat Palm?
http://gizmodo.com/5514797/htc-may-buy-palm-to-fight-apple

Moribund Palm is up for sale, says Bloomberg. Who is in the short list of potential bidders? It's not Google, but close enough: HTC. And it makes total sense, because buying Palm could save HTC's ass in the Apple lawsuit.

Bloomberg says that Lenovo may want to buy it too. However, the most interesting bidder is HTC by far. The reason: HTC may find in Palm the patent portfolio it needs to battle Apple's lawsuit.

Apart from Apple and Google, Palm—which currently has a $870.8 million market value—is the only company with a modern smartphone operating system in the market. Palm has a long history in the PDA and smartphone worlds. Their original Palm Pilot—their low-cost Newton wannabe—was a total success back in the 90s, and their Treo smartphones were probably the first nice PDA/phone hybrids. As a result of this long story, Palm owns patents that may become very effective weapons in the war against Apple's omnipotent JesusPhone. Weapons that HTC may use to settle the lawsuit against Apple.

Apple and Palm has threatened to sue each other in the past. Rubinstein, who was at Apple during the development of the iPhone, came to Palm to create a theoretical iPhone killer and save the company from irrelevance. He got a nice phone, but his marketing strategy failed miserably. However, during this time Apple never sued Palm, presumably because Palm has enough patents to sue Apple back and make the legal battle pointless.

Although Palm has plenty of good intellectual property and a great smartphone operating system, their Pre and Pixi phones have been a sales failure. Knowing this, would the Palm Pre and the WebOS survive the sale? Or better said: Can anyone turn WebOS into a real contender in the current smartphone war? Between Google and Apple battling head to head—and Microsoft soon to join the war with Windows Phone Series 7—my gut feeling is that no, WebOS will not survive.

It seems like the only thing that makes sense is buying Palm to snatch some of their patents to use against Apple lawsuits and to improve future phones. Exactly what HTC needs. And maybe Google would like to help a bit here, just to avoid having to indemnify HTC in case Apple destroys them to bits.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arvXvuu.DqW4

April 12 (Bloomberg) -- Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone, is seeking bids for the company as early as this week, according to three people familiar with the situation.

The company is working with Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Frank Quattrone’s Qatalyst Partners to find a buyer, said the people, who declined to be identified because a sale hasn’t been announced. Taiwan’s HTC Corp. and China’s Lenovo Group Ltd. have looked at the company and may make offers, said the people.

Palm, which helped pioneer the market for personal digital assistants, would offer suitors the WebOS software that competes against mobile operating systems from iPhone maker Apple Inc. and Google Inc. For Elevation Partners LP, the firm that owns about 30 percent of Palm, a sale may end the volatility of an investment in a stock that surged more than 10-fold since December 2008 before erasing most of the gain.

“Palm still has quite a good brand in the U.S. market, and some strong technology, so you can do something with it,” said Frank He, a technology analyst at BOC International Holdings Ltd. in Hong Kong. “The shares have gone down a lot and the company may become attractive to anyone looking for a turnaround play.”

The Sunnyvale, California-based device maker surged 32 percent last week on the Nasdaq Stock Market on renewed speculation of a takeover bid. Before the rally, the stock had plunged more than 60 percent this year, dragged down by disappointing sales of the Pre and Pixi phones.

Missing Estimates

Palm rose 11 percent to $5.16 on April 9 in Nasdaq Stock Market trading. The shares jumped as much as 9.4 percent in Europe today, trading 9 percent higher to the equivalent of $5.67 at 10:52 a.m. in Frankfurt.

Chief Financial Officer Doug Jeffries last month forecast sales in the quarter ending in May will be less than $150 million, compared with the $300 million average of analysts’ estimates compiled by Bloomberg at the time.

Palm, which has a market value of $870.8 million, ranked sixth in the North American smartphone market during the three months ended Dec. 31 with a 4.3 percent share, according to Gartner Inc. Research in Motion Ltd., maker of the BlackBerry, led with 44 percent, followed by Apple’s 24 percent, according to the Stamford, Connecticut-based research company.

Chief Executive Officer Jon Rubinstein, who developed Palm’s latest operating system, was counting on the Pre and Pixi smartphones to attract customers. The company has patents from mobile hardware to software and power-saving technologies.

Lenovo, Dell

Lynn Fox, a Palm spokeswoman, declined to comment. Qatalyst’s Sally Palmer and Goldman Sach’s Andrea Rachman didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. Chen Hui-Ming, the chief financial officer of HTC, declined to confirm or deny the company’s interest in Palm.

Wong Wai Ming, Lenovo’s chief financial officer, also declined to comment on the company’s acquisition plans. In January, Lenovo paid $200 million to purchase Lenovo Mobile Communication Technology Ltd., letting it re-enter the market for handsets. The company had sold the mobile-phone unit in 2008 to focus on personal computers.

Palm shares have been buoyed in the past on speculation the company would be bought by Nokia Oyj. The Finnish company today declined to say if it might be interested.

“We never speculate or comment on market rumors,” said Arja Suominen, a Nokia spokeswoman.

Dell Inc. looked at Palm, though it decided against an offer, according to two of the people familiar with the matter. Jess Blackburn, a spokesman for the Round Rock, Texas-based computer maker, didn’t respond to a call for comment.

Burning Cash

Unlisted Huawei Technologies Co. and ZTE Corp., China’s two biggest makers of phone equipment, may be more likely bidders for Palm than HTC or Lenovo, said Lu Chia-lin, a technology analyst at Macquarie Group Ltd. in Taipei.

Chinese companies “have been quite eager to expand their international markets,” said Lu.

Palm may burn $80 million every three months for the next five quarters as competition in the smartphone market intensifies, Berenberg Bank analysts including Adnaan Ahmad wrote in a March 25 report. The company held $592 million in cash and short-term investments at the end of its fiscal third- quarter, according to the report.

Ross Gan, a spokesman at Huawei, said the company is always open to opportunities, though he declined to comment on speculation about mergers and acquisitions as a matter of policy. Margrete Ma, a ZTE spokeswoman, couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

Market Pioneer

After Palm introduced the Pre at the Consumer Electronics Show in January 2009, the stock jumped 80 percent in two days to $5.96. By September, the shares had climbed as high as $17.46.

The stock then dropped 79 percent over the next six months as Palm’s sales growth was outpaced by marketing costs, and the company lost market share to Apple and phones equipped with Google’s Android. Palm has posted 11 straight quarterly losses.

Founded in 1992, Palm helped pioneer the market for handheld organizers with its PalmPilot devices. The company was acquired by U.S. Robotics, which was in turn purchased by 3Com Corp. 3Com spun off Palm in 2000.

Rubinstein joined the company after leading development of Apple’s best-selling iPod media player. He was recruited to Palm by Fred Anderson, Apple’s former finance chief and a co-founder of Elevation Partners.

The Pre was Palm’s first phone based on WebOS. It went on sale in June 2009, followed by the smaller, cheaper Pixi in November. The phones let users send e-mail, surf the Web, stream video and run multiple applications at the same time.

Both devices were sold in the U.S. exclusively by Sprint Nextel Corp., the country’s third-largest carrier, until Verizon Wireless began offering enhanced versions in January.

jack some webOS ui elements for a new iteration of Sense

>Or better said: Can anyone
>turn WebOS into a real contender in the current smartphone
>war? Between Google and Apple battling head to head—and
>Microsoft soon to join the war with Windows Phone Series 7—my
>gut feeling is that no, WebOS will not survive.
>

although many applications have been made to take advantage of their
power, none of the "modern" smartphones are truly focused on
the enterprise market

Microsoft has essentially crippled their enterprise functionality
with Windows Phone 7. it remains to be seen whether Apple will take on
enterprise seriously. Android isn't yet robust in its enterprise
functions

it seems WebOS has a great opportunity to reestablish itself in this
sector. particularly if BlackBerry remains stagnant in its features

phone market, but that would be an interesting play.


peace & blessings,

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www.twitter.com/poetx

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** i move away from the mic to breathe in

lol.

lying and pretending?

...cuz that's all you've got.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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Keep your OS tight.

http://www.apple.com

Think Different.

Recycle your e-waste, please.

:)

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the actress and the Mos Def soundtrack.

PALM KEEP MAKING THESE KIND OF COMMERCIALS.

KEEP MAKING COMMERCIALS WITH HER.

Ads on on this daily show episode....
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-april-21-2010-fred-pearce

it doesn't seem to have helped Palm much but maybe it'll help her career,
and therefore help bring joy to the whole world

^that made me LOL...
for reals

and cover is 10 bucks. on clearance.
http://palmnewsdaily.com/2010/05/02/the-shack-sale-on-palm-accessories/

This jawn was like a suicide bomber who killed himself while putting on his vest of explosives.

good try though.

looking at the changes that are coming with iPhone OS 4,
webOS had clearly surpassed the iPhone's OS